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    Re: Punishment Vs Reformation & prisons.

    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    But you see, at least 4% people executed on death row were later found innocent. So it's clear that there isn't ever really indisputable evidence
    The only thing that's clear is that someone either fucked up or got overenthusiastic. The evidence is either irrefutable or it isn't. How about video evidence? If you've been watching the news, you may know about of a certain police officer who murdered a certain other dude he was arresting by obstructing his trachea for 9 minutes or so and choking him out. It's a pretty obscure bit of trivia, but you sound well informed so you may have heard of it. Who's going to dispute that? It happened a while ago... He could have just been killed off within the next day, wouldn't that be so much better for everyone?

    I don't know the list of death penalty cases and the quantity and type of evidence for each of them, but I view death sentence as an ideal solution when the situation allows it. It may be more expensive, because we made it that way, but it shouldn't have to be.

  2. ISO #52

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    Whom among you prioritize justice? The ideal of creating a society where cruel actions have consequences, and delivering balance in lieu of any silent god. We all seem to lean towards rehab tbh. What a bore.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

  3. ISO #53

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    Whom among you prioritize justice? The ideal of creating a society where cruel actions have consequences, and delivering balance in lieu of any silent god. We all seem to lean towards rehab tbh. What a bore.
    Revenge is not justice.
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho

  4. ISO #54

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Revenge is not justice.
    What is justice
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

  5. ISO #55

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    Don't throw the dictionary in my face either I wanna know what it means to YOU baby

    God I hate it when people do that
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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  7. ISO #57

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    You can't have an "undeniable case" without that legal process that you are trashing though. As has been said by 3 different people now including myself, 4% of inmates on death row are innocent.

    You can'y have your cake and eat it too. You can't get an "undeniable case" without the legal system and you cant have that legal system without incurring cost.
    The legal system? It's just a legal system we ended up with, and it's kind of fucking horrible. Featuring classics such as "extending procedures on purpose because why not", "having an assortment of random schmucks make the judgement", "choose a lawyer and get what you pay for", "using an overly complicated jargon that makes it inaccessible to those most closely involved" and countless more. I don't think it's so great.
    Last edited by Sylvanas; July 7th, 2020 at 05:30 PM.

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  10. ISO #60

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    besides that, if you want to actually talk about the American judicial system and not just call them shams, give me your arguments and what the correspondence is. Is it prison culture? Is it the prison layout? Is it atopical from your title? Or is this a moral discussion?
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  11. ISO #61

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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    Don't you feel like too many recourses are being used on prisons?
    Not too many recourses in most cases. When an individual is beyond circumvention, they're beyond circumvention. This is reserved for the most heinous of individuals.

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    Those with lifetime sentences we are paying a fortune to keep alive just to feed our hunger of inflicting pain to make amends. Wouldn't it make more sense to end them?
    Yes. But, states have their own laws as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    Do you believe In rehabilitation?
    Yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    Do you think that they can be changed as a person and bring them back into society.
    Yes. Plenty of people can be re-introduced into society, as if it hasn't been the plot-line of hundreds of documentary films. The prison system has evolved substantially to offer benefits that never existed in the past few decades. Workshop, conjugal visits, shows from famous celebrities and even lethal-injection (see 'Old Sparky.')
    Last edited by Frinckles; July 7th, 2020 at 06:03 PM.
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  12. ISO #62

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    Bring back the guillotine.
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  14. ISO #64

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    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    Hard disagree.

    Also 1 innocent to 1 million guilty is too optimistic. The number of death row inmates who are innocent in the US is about 4%. And even that level of precision means that it's more expensive to execute someone in the US than to keep them imprisoned for life, due to legal process.

    Besides, I think life imprisonment is a worse punishment than death so it's a win/win.

    This year, as of the January 1st, 2020, there have been about 2.4k(estimation) death row inmates in the U.S.

    So, I'm guessing you are saying 600 would have been executed. I find this acceptable.

 

 

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