@Jan still please use public reveal. Just in case.
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So if you'd be so inclined (and I recommend you world-build from the other two perspectives as well) believe that I'm town for the moment and which of those two claims makes the least sense.
Quinne is not confirmed town but also not confirmed MAfia. I wanted us to lynch Vlad yesterday. He was outed Disguiser. I called it. NO ONE WOULD LISTION. We let him hide now we have to waist more time to find him in anyone. Town can win this EASY. MECHANICLY and mafia cant WIFOM OUT OF IT.
SLEEP Get Sheriff reads
SLEEP Get Sheriff reads
SLEEP Get Sheriff reads
Lych Sheriff Confirmed town Corrner checks to confirm the Sheriff reads as real or fake
Lych other Sheriff Corner Checks as real or fake
WE get more info with no penalty of sleeping.
Sorry mag I broke your setup.
I expect host to fix anything before then anyway if anything is broken
That being said, according to what I see:
Framer changes ALIGNMENT, but not role
Coroner sees alignment+role
SO, logically, if you are framed you would still show up as Navigator if it came to that. If you're being truthful here.
@Ganelon If a person is framed as scum Will they flip scum when a Genesist checks.
To everyone else dont forget he will also see all vists.
Framer Ability: Minimally change a player's emotions, causing them to appear to be of an alignment of your choosing to investigative Roles. You can only do this twice per game, and the effect is permanent.
From what I understand, role doesn't change from framer. Just alignment.
I will say I am leaning more town than scum. Some points you come up with seems almost throwing game if you where scum. I read you as a much better player than that.
Then again You could be hard bussing to get town cred becuse ONLY way mafia can win in this setup is to hard buss. So you see my dilemma.
Benign, you still have a chance to reveal and remove yourself from the eventual "lynch all citizens" pool
If you don't, I'm going to eventually push to punish you for not helping town now, so you don't get to win with us
Another paranoid thought I have is: is Mulan is mafia my chat with them is seen to all of them. now if there is 2 framers. they can swap the chat with me at night. so once one uses there ability's the other swaps and I would not be the wiser.
This is a theory, but I believe the neutral benign has no intention to attempt winning with town.
An Exec would have revealed by now I think. So would an Angel meaning it's probably Amnesiac.
This seems evident because:
-They haven't tried working with us.
-The don't know what's in the graveyard necessarily. (This is in part due to all the cc's.)
-They may feel bad for the status quo of the Mafia/gamestate.
-They want Disguiser to be outted, lynched and then remembered for a second mafia kill.
That's my feeling on it atleast.
me and the Jan will go to the end. but who will be the 3rd. slot only way mafia can win is to be in the 3rd slot only way NB can win is be in the Slot SO NB out or you lost. GG.
NEUTRAL BENIGN
Also gonna point out that Mafia has played well here. They do not have room for mistakes.
Spoiler : Don't Click This :
Bart about to drop a knowledge bomb on us, I feel it
Well, Barts/Eduardo's D2 didn't seem very Mafia-like in their reactions etc.
I'd bet for one to be Neutral, yeah.
Christ, listen. If you guys can't be convinced to agree on which one exactly of us is scum and you want to lynch every one of us and coroner check us until you have concrete evidence before you stop then be my guest. It does look like the setup allows for that to work. There could still be a Turncoat gone solo but the chance is low in my opinion and for them to kill Jan is probably even lower. In that scenario, think through which one of us 3 you should lynch first and second to get the evidence you need to be convinced of who is scum.
Scenario of lynching and autopsying me, no frame job:
Conclusions:You performed an autopsy on S-FM Lois Francklyn last night. With the help of nano tools as well as security cam footage, you've deduced that they were a Sheriff, a Town (or whatever). You also managed to get a hold of their personal logs, and you managed to discover the last log they wrote before they died:
[LAST WILL]
In addition, the security cam footage shows them visiting S-FM Lembird Oshay and S-FM Marlwyn Janson; physical artefacts on their body suggest they were visited by [unknown].
1. Marlwyn is scum or
2. Marlwyn was framed and Quinne is scum.
So nothing concrete. In the scenario that I show as Brookmond I should still show as Sheriff so same conclusions, hopefully. Either way you'd still have to lynch another to be extra sure. I won't list the scenario that my role would show anything else because from my POV it wouldn't but for the sake of argument you'd know I'm scum as there's no Sheriff for mafia. And the second lynch is basically a 50/50. It's not unlikely that Marlwyn would be framed because I indicated my doubts about them D2. And I would not have visited Quinne because of the arguments I brought up on D2.
Scenario of lynching and autopsying Marlwyn (town feedback, either framed or not):
If Marlwyn is scum they'd probably show up as Mentalics Expert instead of Navigator and the assumption is that they didn't visit Vlad, that might still be a possibility though if they wanted to have a chat to talk during the day as scum mates. Either way, Conclusions:You performed an autopsy on S-FM Marlwyn Janson last night. With the help of nano tools as well as security cam footage, you've deduced that they were a Navigator, a Town/Brookmond (or whatever). You also managed to get a hold of their personal logs, and you managed to discover the last log they wrote before they died:
[LAST WILL]
In addition, the security cam footage shows them visiting S-FM Vladislow whatever and S-FM Fred Attlebish; physical artefacts on their body suggest they were visited by [unknown].
1. If Navigator then it's a town Architect. Probably indicates that Quinne is scum because if it shows Navigator and Brookmond then I told the truth. 200 IQ play if maf framed Marlwyn so that my claim would look legit. In that case lynch either me or Quinne to find out. Probably the most tedious way.
2. If Mentalics Expert then scum. Easy finish.
In this scenario I'd argue the second lynch if Marlwyn flips town to get scum is better than 50/50 for us. Why? Because if Marlwyn flips as framed Navigator then I more than likely told the truth because why would mafia waste a framing action on someone they wanted to accuse anyway of being scum? If I were scum I'd just lie and not have a teammate frame the night before as well. It's very improbable and wasteful. Thus Quinne lynch afterwards gets the scum.
Scenario of lynching and autopsying Quinne (town feedback as well):
Conclusions:You performed an autopsy on S-FM Quinne last night. With the help of nano tools as well as security cam footage, you've deduced that they were a Sheriff, a Town (or whatever). You also managed to get a hold of their personal logs, and you managed to discover the last log they wrote before they died:
[LAST WILL]
In addition, the security cam footage shows them visiting S-FM Lois Francklyn and [unknown]; physical artefacts on their body suggest they were visited by [unknown].
1. Marlwyn is likely scum because Quinne's result was town on me.
2. I'm scum because I'm the Godfather.
If it doesn't show Sheriff as role then we got it obviously. But same scenario, probably takes atleast two lynches to get it right and even then the second lynch is still 50/50, more or less.
So if you all REALLY REALLY wanna lynch until you got the right person out of us 3 TPRs then you either start with me or with Marlwyn and my personal recommendation is Marlwyn for obvious reasons but also logical ones if you agree what the conclusions I drew.
TL;DR: If you all want to lynch, do Marlwyn and go from there for the quickest result. Lynching me or Quinne has the highest chance of needing to lynch all 3 of us to get it right.
Btw, @S-FM Fred Attlebish : Did Marlwyn reveal their identity themselves in the day-and-night chat? Or did you just assume due to the claim? I think that's an important distinction.
Damn I was right about Jiles. I was right about Jan. I was right about Vlad.
Sheriff should make me a deputy- Sheriff!
funky
i was fulling expecting we would have waited a whole day for nothing to happen
This is a good breakdown. Thank you for doing it, I will take it into consideration while I prepare myself mentally for what lynch would occur.
Counter point though. I really like Mulan and don't really wanna lynch her. Is that so bad? If we lynch Mulan, this game goes downward 73% in terms of enjoyment. Let me enjoy what little time we may have left <3