S-FM 302: Magellan (15p)

[S-FM Billigan Holbird]

Ok we have a fake sheriff or a fake arct. At least we we have one thing going for us in any word the arct does not open a night chat with me he dies in the night. Sorry but this is to keep you from framing anyone just in case I read you wrong. Saving my night shot. If you think I am fake don’t open the night chat and confirm me .

I like this a lot, by the way. It prevents framing unless there are two framers, which would suck.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

@Jan still please use public reveal. Just in case.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Therefore, barring any host mistake, Jan is still coroner.

This is what I'm worried somewhat about. No offense to Ganelon, but we've stumbled around things here and there a few times now.

Given that if I am framed, I will flip scum even in the GY; Making 100% sure Jan isn't guised is important before we go gung-ho.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

SQUAWK SQUAWK

NEST TAKEOVER

NEST TAKEOVER

NEST TAKEOVER

SQUAWK

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

1) Jan confirmed coroner
2) Fred will be confirmed town as soon as he shoots his bullet into a non-bird gang brain

With 2 confirmed towns, we try to hit the scum in the sheriff/sheriff/architect claims. If we can successfully hit the scum first try, we'll have 4 locked confirmed towns. Impossible for mafia to win

If we miss, but hit the 2nd time, we have 3 locked confirmed towns

If we miss twice, well damn sorry Mulan you'll be caught lol

I'm fine with that. I'm dedicating my efforts to finding out which of the two is lying but it's kind of difficult.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

So if you'd be so inclined (and I recommend you world-build from the other two perspectives as well) believe that I'm town for the moment and which of those two claims makes the least sense.

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

QUACK POWER
QUACK TAKEOVER
QUACK VULT!!!

Tell me if I'm dumb, but... why is Quinne excluded from this, exactly? When were they confirmed town?

Quinne is not confirmed town but also not confirmed MAfia. I wanted us to lynch Vlad yesterday. He was outed Disguiser. I called it. NO ONE WOULD LISTION. We let him hide now we have to waist more time to find him in anyone. Town can win this EASY. MECHANICLY and mafia cant WIFOM OUT OF IT.

SLEEP Get Sheriff reads
SLEEP Get Sheriff reads
SLEEP Get Sheriff reads

Lych Sheriff Confirmed town Corrner checks to confirm the Sheriff reads as real or fake
Lych other Sheriff Corner Checks as real or fake
WE get more info with no penalty of sleeping.

Sorry mag I broke your setup.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

This is what I'm worried somewhat about. No offense to Ganelon, but we've stumbled around things here and there a few times now.

Given that if I am framed, I will flip scum even in the GY; Making 100% sure Jan isn't guised is important before we go gung-ho.

I expect host to fix anything before then anyway if anything is broken

That being said, according to what I see:

Framer changes ALIGNMENT, but not role

Coroner sees alignment+role

SO, logically, if you are framed you would still show up as Navigator if it came to that. If you're being truthful here.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

So if you'd be so inclined (and I recommend you world-build from the other two perspectives as well) believe that I'm town for the moment and which of those two claims makes the least sense.

I believe that you're town. But hey I was wrong about Jan. I'm probably wrong about you lol

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Quinne is not confirmed town but also not confirmed MAfia. I wanted us to lynch Vlad yesterday. He was outed Disguiser. I called it. NO ONE WOULD LISTION. We let him hide now we have to waist more time to find him in anyone. Town can win this EASY. MECHANICLY and mafia cant WIFOM OUT OF IT.

SLEEP Get Sheriff reads
SLEEP Get Sheriff reads
SLEEP Get Sheriff reads

Lych Sheriff Confirmed town Corrner checks to confirm the Sheriff reads as real or fake
Lych other Sheriff Corner Checks as real or fake
WE get more info with no penalty of sleeping.

Sorry mag I broke your setup.

Sherriff:

Special: You can only do this twice per game.

So Nick is done using his actions. We're just waiting on Quinne now.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

I expect host to fix anything before then anyway if anything is broken

That being said, according to what I see:

Framer changes ALIGNMENT, but not role

Coroner sees alignment+role

SO, logically, if you are framed you would still show up as Navigator if it came to that. If you're being truthful here.

Oh, then sure. Lynch away.

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

@Jan still please use public reveal. Just in case.

@ Jan DO NOT USE YOUR PUBLIC REVIEL YET. SAve it. I want to see what happens tonight first. BUt check our d2 lynch.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

I believe that you're town. But hey I was wrong about Jan. I'm probably wrong about you lol

To be fair, I was also wrong about Jan. Vlad played me a bit but I should have realized how aloof he was in our chat.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

@ Jan DO NOT USE YOUR PUBLIC REVIEL YET. SAve it. I want to see what happens tonight first. BUt check our d2 lynch.

Why don't you actually talk to Wilibird directly instead of talking over him. You guys clearly disagree.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

To be fair, I was also wrong about Jan. Vlad played me a bit but I should have realized how aloof he was in our chat.

Eh, its mafia. People are sometimes right, people are sometimes wrong. Whatevas.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Why don't you actually talk to Wilibird directly instead of talking over him. You guys clearly disagree.

Fred scum reads me.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Fred scum reads me.

Oh. lol

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

This is what I'm worried somewhat about. No offense to Ganelon, but we've stumbled around things here and there a few times now.

Given that if I am framed, I will flip scum even in the GY; Making 100% sure Jan isn't guised is important before we go gung-ho.

@Ganelon If a person is framed as scum Will they flip scum when a Genesist checks.

To everyone else dont forget he will also see all vists.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Oh. lol

Yeah if it wasn't obvious lol

Fred can't handle my town leader status, SQUAWK

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

Sherriff:

Special: You can only do this twice per game.

So Nick is done using his actions. We're just waiting on Quinne now.

TY so yes Sheriff will be a good lynch. To get info.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

@Ganelon If a person is framed as scum Will they flip scum when a Genesist checks.

To everyone else dont forget he will also see all vists.

Wilibird also pointed out that Coroner gets role as well. So I'll appear as a Treasonous Navigator

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Wilibird also pointed out that Coroner gets role as well. So I'll appear as a Treasonous Navigator

At least thats my understanding of what is written in the setup

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

Fred scum reads me.

I have a 50/50 on you. You give me a scum helping town to be town vibe yes.

But I do not want to lynch or shoot you. I want you to keep playing as you are.

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

Yeah if it wasn't obvious lol

Fred can't handle my town leader status, SQUAWK

I love your police coping. I just wantto make shure it is town not mafia.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

I have a 50/50 on you. You give me a scum helping town to be town vibe yes.

But I do not want to lynch or shoot you. I want you to keep playing as you are.

At this point though, his slot is solved via PoE and I'm reading it similar to how I read it yesterday. As in, I do not believe he's guised, and he dies before we win anyway.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Framer Ability: Minimally change a player's emotions, causing them to appear to be of an alignment of your choosing to investigative Roles. You can only do this twice per game, and the effect is permanent.

From what I understand, role doesn't change from framer. Just alignment.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

I have a 50/50 on you. You give me a scum helping town to be town vibe yes.

But I do not want to lynch or shoot you. I want you to keep playing as you are.

Usually at this point I'd say "what about my play makes me feel scummy"

But this game is basically over, so I don't really care lol.

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

At least thats my understanding of what is written in the setup

I will say I am leaning more town than scum. Some points you come up with seems almost throwing game if you where scum. I read you as a much better player than that.
Then again You could be hard bussing to get town cred becuse ONLY way mafia can win in this setup is to hard buss. So you see my dilemma.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

At this point though, his slot is solved via PoE and I'm reading it similar to how I read it yesterday. As in, I do not believe he's guised, and he dies before we win anyway.

Yup, if we get just a 3rd confirmed town the game literally becomes "lynch all citizens" lol

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Benign, you still have a chance to reveal and remove yourself from the eventual "lynch all citizens" pool

If you don't, I'm going to eventually push to punish you for not helping town now, so you don't get to win with us

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

Another paranoid thought I have is: is Mulan is mafia my chat with them is seen to all of them. now if there is 2 framers. they can swap the chat with me at night. so once one uses there ability's the other swaps and I would not be the wiser.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Benign, you still have a chance to reveal and remove yourself from the eventual "lynch all citizens" pool

If you don't, I'm going to eventually push to punish you for not helping town now, so you don't get to win with us

This is a theory, but I believe the neutral benign has no intention to attempt winning with town.

An Exec would have revealed by now I think. So would an Angel meaning it's probably Amnesiac.

This seems evident because:

-They haven't tried working with us.

-The don't know what's in the graveyard necessarily. (This is in part due to all the cc's.)

-They may feel bad for the status quo of the Mafia/gamestate.

-They want Disguiser to be outted, lynched and then remembered for a second mafia kill.

That's my feeling on it atleast.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Another paranoid thought I have is: is Mulan is mafia my chat with them is seen to all of them. now if there is 2 framers. they can swap the chat with me at night. so once one uses there ability's the other swaps and I would not be the wiser.

I can see your concern but on a personal level that would feel close to cheating. Would not do.

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

me and the Jan will go to the end. but who will be the 3rd. slot only way mafia can win is to be in the 3rd slot only way NB can win is be in the Slot SO NB out or you lost. GG.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

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[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Also gonna point out that Mafia has played well here. They do not have room for mistakes.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

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[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Also gonna point out that Mafia has played well here. They do not have room for mistakes.

inb4 Jiles or Rotholololo was godfather

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Bart about to drop a knowledge bomb on us, I feel it

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Well, Barts/Eduardo's D2 didn't seem very Mafia-like in their reactions etc.

I'd bet for one to be Neutral, yeah.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Well, Barts/Eduardo's D2 didn't seem very Mafia-like in their reactions etc.

I'd bet for one to be Neutral, yeah.

POE demands that one of Bart/Ed and one of the birds are mafia and/or neutral

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

POE demands that one of Bart/Ed and one of the birds are mafia and/or neutral

I haven't even touched my reads list since yesterday because of how mechanically locked it's become. I should probably do something with it.

[S-FM Lois Francklyn]

Christ, listen. If you guys can't be convinced to agree on which one exactly of us is scum and you want to lynch every one of us and coroner check us until you have concrete evidence before you stop then be my guest. It does look like the setup allows for that to work. There could still be a Turncoat gone solo but the chance is low in my opinion and for them to kill Jan is probably even lower. In that scenario, think through which one of us 3 you should lynch first and second to get the evidence you need to be convinced of who is scum.


Scenario of lynching and autopsying me, no frame job:

You performed an autopsy on S-FM Lois Francklyn last night. With the help of nano tools as well as security cam footage, you've deduced that they were a Sheriff, a Town (or whatever). You also managed to get a hold of their personal logs, and you managed to discover the last log they wrote before they died:
[LAST WILL]
In addition, the security cam footage shows them visiting S-FM Lembird Oshay and S-FM Marlwyn Janson; physical artefacts on their body suggest they were visited by [unknown].

Conclusions:
1. Marlwyn is scum or
2. Marlwyn was framed and Quinne is scum.
So nothing concrete. In the scenario that I show as Brookmond I should still show as Sheriff so same conclusions, hopefully. Either way you'd still have to lynch another to be extra sure. I won't list the scenario that my role would show anything else because from my POV it wouldn't but for the sake of argument you'd know I'm scum as there's no Sheriff for mafia. And the second lynch is basically a 50/50. It's not unlikely that Marlwyn would be framed because I indicated my doubts about them D2. And I would not have visited Quinne because of the arguments I brought up on D2.



Scenario of lynching and autopsying Marlwyn (town feedback, either framed or not):

You performed an autopsy on S-FM Marlwyn Janson last night. With the help of nano tools as well as security cam footage, you've deduced that they were a Navigator, a Town/Brookmond (or whatever). You also managed to get a hold of their personal logs, and you managed to discover the last log they wrote before they died:
[LAST WILL]
In addition, the security cam footage shows them visiting S-FM Vladislow whatever and S-FM Fred Attlebish; physical artefacts on their body suggest they were visited by [unknown].

If Marlwyn is scum they'd probably show up as Mentalics Expert instead of Navigator and the assumption is that they didn't visit Vlad, that might still be a possibility though if they wanted to have a chat to talk during the day as scum mates. Either way, Conclusions:
1. If Navigator then it's a town Architect. Probably indicates that Quinne is scum because if it shows Navigator and Brookmond then I told the truth. 200 IQ play if maf framed Marlwyn so that my claim would look legit. In that case lynch either me or Quinne to find out. Probably the most tedious way.
2. If Mentalics Expert then scum. Easy finish.
In this scenario I'd argue the second lynch if Marlwyn flips town to get scum is better than 50/50 for us. Why? Because if Marlwyn flips as framed Navigator then I more than likely told the truth because why would mafia waste a framing action on someone they wanted to accuse anyway of being scum? If I were scum I'd just lie and not have a teammate frame the night before as well. It's very improbable and wasteful. Thus Quinne lynch afterwards gets the scum.



Scenario of lynching and autopsying Quinne (town feedback as well):

You performed an autopsy on S-FM Quinne last night. With the help of nano tools as well as security cam footage, you've deduced that they were a Sheriff, a Town (or whatever). You also managed to get a hold of their personal logs, and you managed to discover the last log they wrote before they died:
[LAST WILL]
In addition, the security cam footage shows them visiting S-FM Lois Francklyn and [unknown]; physical artefacts on their body suggest they were visited by [unknown].

Conclusions:
1. Marlwyn is likely scum because Quinne's result was town on me.
2. I'm scum because I'm the Godfather.
If it doesn't show Sheriff as role then we got it obviously. But same scenario, probably takes atleast two lynches to get it right and even then the second lynch is still 50/50, more or less.




So if you all REALLY REALLY wanna lynch until you got the right person out of us 3 TPRs then you either start with me or with Marlwyn and my personal recommendation is Marlwyn for obvious reasons but also logical ones if you agree what the conclusions I drew.

TL;DR: If you all want to lynch, do Marlwyn and go from there for the quickest result. Lynching me or Quinne has the highest chance of needing to lynch all 3 of us to get it right.



Btw, @S-FM Fred Attlebish : Did Marlwyn reveal their identity themselves in the day-and-night chat? Or did you just assume due to the claim? I think that's an important distinction.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

I haven't even touched my reads list since yesterday because of how mechanically locked it's become. I should probably do something with it.

You should give it to your father, so that the world knows what you have done for China.

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

Damn I was right about Jiles. I was right about Jan. I was right about Vlad.

Sheriff should make me a deputy- Sheriff!

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

funky
i was fulling expecting we would have waited a whole day for nothing to happen

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Christ, listen. If you guys can't be convinced to agree on which one exactly of us is scum and you want to lynch every one of us and coroner check us until you have concrete evidence before you stop then be my guest. It does look like the setup allows for that to work. There could still be a Turncoat gone solo but the chance is low in my opinion and for them to kill Jan is probably even lower. In that scenario, think through which one of us 3 you should lynch first and second to get the evidence you need to be convinced of who is scum.


Scenario of lynching and autopsying me, no frame job:


Conclusions:
1. Marlwyn is scum or
2. Marlwyn was framed and Quinne is scum.
So nothing concrete. In the scenario that I show as Brookmond I should still show as Sheriff so same conclusions, hopefully. Either way you'd still have to lynch another to be extra sure. I won't list the scenario that my role would show anything else because from my POV it wouldn't but for the sake of argument you'd know I'm scum as there's no Sheriff for mafia. And the second lynch is basically a 50/50. It's not unlikely that Marlwyn would be framed because I indicated my doubts about them D2. And I would not have visited Quinne because of the arguments I brought up on D2.



Scenario of lynching and autopsying Marlwyn (town feedback, either framed or not):

If Marlwyn is scum they'd probably show up as Mentalics Expert instead of Navigator and the assumption is that they didn't visit Vlad, that might still be a possibility though if they wanted to have a chat to talk during the day as scum mates. Either way, Conclusions:
1. If Navigator then it's a town Architect. Probably indicates that Quinne is scum because if it shows Navigator and Brookmond then I told the truth. 200 IQ play if maf framed Marlwyn so that my claim would look legit. In that case lynch either me or Quinne to find out. Probably the most tedious way.
2. If Mentalics Expert then scum. Easy finish.
In this scenario I'd argue the second lynch if Marlwyn flips town to get scum is better than 50/50 for us. Why? Because if Marlwyn flips as framed Navigator then I more than likely told the truth because why would mafia waste a framing action on someone they wanted to accuse anyway of being scum? If I were scum I'd just lie and not have a teammate frame the night before as well. It's very improbable and wasteful. Thus Quinne lynch afterwards gets the scum.



Scenario of lynching and autopsying Quinne (town feedback as well):


Conclusions:
1. Marlwyn is likely scum because Quinne's result was town on me.
2. I'm scum because I'm the Godfather.
If it doesn't show Sheriff as role then we got it obviously. But same scenario, probably takes atleast two lynches to get it right and even then the second lynch is still 50/50, more or less.




So if you all REALLY REALLY wanna lynch until you got the right person out of us 3 TPRs then you either start with me or with Marlwyn and my personal recommendation is Marlwyn for obvious reasons but also logical ones if you agree what the conclusions I drew.

TL;DR: If you all want to lynch, do Marlwyn and go from there for the quickest result. Lynching me or Quinne has the highest chance of needing to lynch all 3 of us to get it right.



Btw, @S-FM Fred Attlebish : Did Marlwyn reveal their identity themselves in the day-and-night chat? Or did you just assume due to the claim? I think that's an important distinction.

This is a good breakdown. Thank you for doing it, I will take it into consideration while I prepare myself mentally for what lynch would occur.

Counter point though. I really like Mulan and don't really wanna lynch her. Is that so bad? If we lynch Mulan, this game goes downward 73% in terms of enjoyment. Let me enjoy what little time we may have left <3

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Damn I was right about Jiles. I was right about Jan. I was right about Vlad.

Sheriff should make me a deputy- Sheriff!

Damnit, weak ass truth bomb lol

funky
i was fulling expecting we would have waited a whole day for nothing to happen

Question. Are you neutral benign? You really should say so if you are.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

Said he wasn't vig.

Said he was jailed N1 and a jailer told him to claim vig.

Said he was gonna say I'm Scumitect and that he planted the seeds of distrust.

Claimed Hacker.

(Kpop here.)

Retracted, said just trying to trick you.

Claimed Vigilante.

..


Standard stuff?

wack
i can't promise i would be much better of a conversationalist