S-FM 302: Magellan (15p)

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Pay attention to the final two questions. Worldbuild where I'm scum and we have two Sheriffs okay?

If I'm scum, this implies that I used my night action to frame Lois as a Townie.

We could assume this because Quinne has stated so.

Why would I do this as scum and how could I anticipate Quinne checking Lois in order to get a green check anyway?

Also no lol, if you are scum then we have 2 sheriffs. Quinne saw Lois as town because they are town lol

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Dude I am viggy. That night chat was all a ploy to get you to put as mafia. Because I scum read you. I am 100% mechanical confirmed. So look in the world I am confirmed Viggy. What gets me is in the night chat you where bragging about seeing over my ploy. You outing our chat made me read you as lock town but your actions are getting me to doubt. What I want to know is if the sheriff is real or not only way to know for sure is to know if we lynched a town because if we lynched a town we lynched mayor makeong both sheriff claims fake. If he was town he did soft being a mayor another reason I wanted the vote to go on vlad. But town would not listion to crap.

I don’t think it's possible for either me or Lois to disprove eachother. Only way you will know I'm town now is ppost-game. From my perspective, one of the sheriffs is lying.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Dude I am viggy. That night chat was all a ploy to get you to put as mafia. Because I scum read you. I am 100% mechanical confirmed. So look in the world I am confirmed Viggy. What gets me is in the night chat you where bragging about seeing over my ploy. You outing our chat made me read you as lock town but your actions are getting me to doubt. What I want to know is if the sheriff is real or not only way to know for sure is to know if we lynched a town because if we lynched a town we lynched mayor makeong both sheriff claims fake. If he was town he did soft being a mayor another reason I wanted the vote to go on vlad. But town would not listion to crap.

Dude the mayor thing was a joke. If roflololo was mayor he gamethrew.

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

Indeed, those are the rough possibilities. I will say that Vlad disguising as me is not super unlikely but my supposed "confirmed" town status due to the nature of the RQ was not 100% solid and considering I was in a three-way tie of getting lynched I am not sure I was the very best target for Vlad. Certainly a good one though.

Marlwyn being framed is a possiblity, however due to the fact that we haven't had two night chats at the same time it means that either there is just a Scumitect around or the Framer has used their framing ability twice in a row (or not at all). And I'd reckon it's a 50/50 flip from their POV on whether they'd frame Quinne or Marlwyn, my posts might have been hints. With the current information we have though I don't see why we should believe Marlwyn to not be scum and Quinne be scum.

Also a 4th possibility would be Vlad disuguising as Marlwyn but that's even more unlikely obviously.

The 4th is not a possibility as he knows what happened in the night chat.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Also no lol, if you are scum then we have 2 sheriffs. Quinne saw Lois as town because they are town lol

Yeah I thought of that after the fact. I read it as a townslip because of my perspective but do as you please.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

So again, from my perspective Lois was framed green or Quinne lied about that.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

The 4th is not a possibility as he knows what happened in the night chat.

Also that im still talking to you in it.

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

Marlwyn is 100% confirmed not vlad as I still have chat with him/her

[S-FM Lois Francklyn]

The 4th is not a possibility as he knows what happened in the night chat.

Ah right, I overlooked that part. Cheers.

I don’t think it's possible for either me or Lois to disprove eachother. Only way you will know I'm town now is ppost-game. From my perspective, one of the sheriffs is lying.

Of course there's no way to actually disprove eachother because we don't have flips to confirm anything. The only thing we actually have is our critical thinking to realize what seems likely and what seems unlikely. It's improbable for Vlad to disguise as me. It's somewhat probable for a framer in the game to frame you as you might make for a convincing target. It's probable for Quinne to be Sheriff after my D1 notes. It's probable for you to have teamed up with Vlad to lie about your night chat.

I don't know how everyone else sees it but I think there are very convincing arguments that you're actually a Scumitect.

[S-FM Lois Francklyn]

I'm heading out for a bit, catch you all later. I'll be back before going to bed for sure.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Well. Good scum play atleast.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Ah right, I overlooked that part. Cheers.



Of course there's no way to actually disprove eachother because we don't have flips to confirm anything. The only thing we actually have is our critical thinking to realize what seems likely and what seems unlikely. It's improbable for Vlad to disguise as me. It's somewhat probable for a framer in the game to frame you as you might make for a convincing target. It's probable for Quinne to be Sheriff after my D1 notes. It's probable for you to have teamed up with Vlad to lie about your night chat.

I don't know how everyone else sees it but I think there are very convincing arguments that you're actually a Scumitect.

Balance wise 2 sheriffs + framer makes sense

But I see scenarios where any of the 3 of you being evil make sense

I think mostly likely tbh is Quinne CC'd so that town wouldnt have 2 confirmed town roles, then framed Mulan.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Balance wise 2 sheriffs + framer makes sense

But I see scenarios where any of the 3 of you being evil make sense

I think mostly likely tbh is Quinne CC'd so that town wouldnt have 2 confirmed town roles, then framed Mulan.

That makes some sense since they knew Vlad could communicate both ways and guise out.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Speaking of which, Quinne seemed very open to the idea of a lying Lois and that I am an Architect. Does it make sense to check a D1 Sheriff claim with the intent to see if they're real only to assume they've been framed?

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

That could read to me as Quinne not wanting to get on my aggressive / suspicious side.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

The good thing is we know there is no consort. 100% framer. Either Mulan is framer or Mulan is framed

Or Nick is lying. But then he was framed if so.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

The good thing is we know there is no consort. 100% framer. Either Mulan is framer or Mulan is framed

Or Nick is lying. But then he was framed if so.

I'd say we could solve that by lynching me + Jan check (if the OoO works) but, well..

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

The good thing is we know there is no consort. 100% framer. Either Mulan is framer or Mulan is framed

Or Nick is lying. But then he was framed if so.

Also, couldn't there still be Consort? We don't know Quinne's check and GF in this gets a support secondary.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

I'd say we could solve that by lynching me + Jan check (if the OoO works) but, well..

Jan will be getting a replacement

Today we should skip after everyone checks in

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Jan will be getting a replacement

Today we should skip after everyone checks in

Did you confirm that?

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Did you confirm that?

If they aren't disguised, yeah

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

If they aren't disguised, yeah

This game is geometry.

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

I'd say we could solve that by lynching me + Jan check (if the OoO works) but, well..

Lynching Lois yields more information, as coroner also sees visited roles, which would help confirm or unconfirm both Quinne and you and the possibility of other roles.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Also, couldn't there still be Consort? We don't know Quinne's check and GF in this gets a support secondary.

Damnit you're right.

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

Optimally the sheriffs would have held their second night action until we have figured out the coroner business, but it's not like it was something I could say yesterday. And it also assumes that Jan would be around/replaced.

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

I want everyone to understand this is not a confirmed town win. Because this setup is to discredit the town PR only reason mafia did not CC me is I would shoot them in the night. So and CC on my role after I do make a shot is 100% fake.

This is why I have held my shot. Now who do we trust is the problem of this setup. Flipless

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

I've been operating under the assumption this whole time that GF didn't have an ability

No matter, doesn't change much tbh

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Optimally the sheriffs would have held their second night action until we have figured out the coroner business, but it's not like it was something I could say yesterday. And it also assumes that Jan would be around/replaced.

Squaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawk. Wassup

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

Optimally the sheriffs would have held their second night action until we have figured out the coroner business, but it's not like it was something I could say yesterday. And it also assumes that Jan would be around/replaced.

Another person I believe is town and not Vlad possessed lol

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

I want everyone to understand this is not a confirmed town win. Because this setup is to discredit the town PR only reason mafia did not CC me is I would shoot them in the night. So and CC on my role after I do make a shot is 100% fake.

This is why I have held my shot. Now who do we trust is the problem of this setup. Flipless

No, not a confirmed town win. But pretty close to it, once you confirm yourself we take you down to 2v1 LYLO at the worst. If Jan is replaced/comes back and isn't disguised, its pretty much auto lock with 2 confirmed towns. That and we'll be able to lynch within the 3 TPR claims and confirm if we get it right, and if we do we end up with 3 or 4 confirmed towns.

So there's no reason to not be confident about our chances of winning, they are very very high.

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

Another person I believe is town and not Vlad possessed lol

I thought about your role a bit. I'm still kinda amazed that you haven't been dayshot yet. Scum is letting a confirmed town just run around. You may want to consider not using your night action until near the end stages of the game. Seems like it'll take quite a while until we get there.

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

Optimally the sheriffs would have held their second night action until we have figured out the coroner business, but it's not like it was something I could say yesterday. And it also assumes that Jan would be around/replaced.

I trust you are town
or mafia who is really town siding. (I highly doubt that)

Can you evaluate D2 Lois posts and today’s Lois posts and get a feel if they are same person?

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

I trust you are town
or mafia who is really town siding. (I highly doubt that)

Can you evaluate D2 Lois posts and today’s Lois posts and get a feel if they are same person?

There's little to evaluate but sure.

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

I thought about your role a bit. I'm still kinda amazed that you haven't been dayshot yet. Scum is letting a confirmed town just run around. You may want to consider not using your night action until near the end stages of the game. Seems like it'll take quite a while until we get there.

Unless we killed mafia d2 that had the day shot

[S-FM Jan Korvin]

Well, I must offer a full explanation of myself. In my anger and poor temperament I had attempted to leave the game. I was so frustrated with the personal attacks and insults on my intelligence. Mind you, I very explicitly mentioned that I was not as experienced at this form of play (second game and the like), and it was especially grating to be told time and time again that I was ill-informed at best, and at worst, ill-minded. This of course, struck a raw nerve, however I acted in a way that is not acceptable.

But I am now here, back, and you can see the confirmation of the Jiles alignment that was publicly revealed.

I see that Vlad is gone, and so I offer you that I will confirm myself once again this eve by revealing Rotholfo or today's lynch target, assuming I am not lynched.

I need to catch up from the time I left yesterday.

Apologies, again.

[S-FM Jan Korvin]

And my read of Vlad's so called LW is that the scum are trying very hard to lynch me today. But I will confirm myself steadfastly at the first opportunity.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Well, I must offer a full explanation of myself. In my anger and poor temperament I had attempted to leave the game. I was so frustrated with the personal attacks and insults on my intelligence. Mind you, I very explicitly mentioned that I was not as experienced at this form of play (second game and the like), and it was especially grating to be told time and time again that I was ill-informed at best, and at worst, ill-minded. This of course, struck a raw nerve, however I acted in a way that is not acceptable.

But I am now here, back, and you can see the confirmation of the Jiles alignment that was publicly revealed.

I see that Vlad is gone, and so I offer you that I will confirm myself once again this eve by revealing Rotholfo or today's lynch target, assuming I am not lynched.

I need to catch up from the time I left yesterday.

Apologies, again.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

And my read of Vlad's so called LW is that the scum are trying very hard to lynch me today. But I will confirm myself steadfastly at the first opportunity.

If you are really Jan, no worries, you won't be lynched today. We are likely skipping. You'll be given the opportunity to prove yourself.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

In fact, once everyone checks in that's my intention. I'll be voting to skip.

[S-FM Jan Korvin]

If you are really Jan, no worries, you won't be lynched today. We are likely skipping. You'll be given the opportunity to prove yourself.

Very well. That is all I can ask for at this point. And I see you change the angle of your avatar. What else is new?

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Very well. That is all I can ask for at this point. And I see you change the angle of your avatar. What else is new?

new-Nick claims that they got a guilty on Mulan. So either a) Mulan is guilty and Quinne and new-Nick are our sheriffs, 2) new-Nick is lying, which means he was framed n1 to look like town to Quinne, or c) Quinne is lying about checking new-Nick n1 and never got an inno on him and then framed Mulan

So we're basically in the same place we were yesterday with those 3, just with new info to think about

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

new-Nick claims that they got a guilty on Mulan. So either a) Mulan is guilty and Quinne and new-Nick are our sheriffs, 2) new-Nick is lying, which means he was framed n1 to look like town to Quinne, or c) Quinne is lying about checking new-Nick n1 and never got an inno on him and then framed Mulan

So we're basically in the same place we were yesterday with those 3, just with new info to think about

That being said, we DO know that they mafia have a framer. Of their 2 support roles (GF and mafia support), 1 is framer. Cause either Nick was framed, Mulan was framed, or Mulan is framer.

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

That being said, we DO know that they mafia have a framer. Of their 2 support roles (GF and mafia support), 1 is framer. Cause either Nick was framed, Mulan was framed, or Mulan is framer.

or Lois is Godfather because Godfathers appear to be town when checked by sheriffs.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

or Lois is Godfather because Godfathers appear to be town when checked by sheriffs.

Good point. Hrm. Okay we don't know they have a framer lol.

[S-FM Edoua Maije]

Hello guys , its ya boi edward with the daily check in. I'll have to admit i still havnt read the entirity of yesterday since its godawful to read honestly.
But i also feel it's not very needed yet.


I pretty much agree with the general sentiment that we either skip or lynch between the trio of tprs since there is a scum between them and the sheriffs don't even have checks left.
But it might not be too bad to let everybody chat abit since if vlad was a disguiser we have to let him sweat abit, i'm grinning imagining him trying to replicate joha or something.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

That being said, we DO know that they mafia have a framer. Of their 2 support roles (GF and mafia support), 1 is framer. Cause either Nick was framed, Mulan was framed, or Mulan is framer.

I would add to this, that if Quinne is real; It's plausible that the Scumitect makes a chat with another player, possibly to hunt for neutrals.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Hello guys , its ya boi edward with the daily check in. I'll have to admit i still havnt read the entirity of yesterday since its godawful to read honestly.
But i also feel it's not very needed yet.


I pretty much agree with the general sentiment that we either skip or lynch between the trio of tprs since there is a scum between them and the sheriffs don't even have checks left.
But it might not be too bad to let everybody chat abit since if vlad was a disguiser we have to let him sweat abit, i'm grinning imagining him trying to replicate joha or something.

Hello Ed, how are ya

[S-FM Edoua Maije]

Hello Ed, how are ya

pretty good Marck , i started my first day on the job today. Fuck me work life sucks yo , i have to leave at 8 am and get home at 6pm. Feels like forever honestly

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

pretty good Marck , i started my first day on the job today. Fuck me work life sucks yo , i have to leave at 8 am and get home at 6pm. Feels like forever honestly

First full time job? You'll get used to it.

[S-FM Edoua Maije]

First full time job? You'll get used to it.

yeah first full time , why i was so wasted on D1, was celebrating my graduation. Just weird having a schedule for once in my life.