S-FM 302: Magellan (15p)

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

What id like more is for a Jailor to out and claim that they do exist. I can imagine town jailor/mafia guiser.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Yeah and I said you should probably shoot.

Naw regardless it's nice that Fred can now confirm his town status with his vig shot

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

Yeah and I said you should probably shoot.

No point shooting vlad he disguised out doing nothing but waisting my shot

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Vlad lw suggests Jan was not disguised. Because lead us to fast lynch Jan.

Yup again agreed. No need to lynch Jan pretty much ever, either the slot comes back and confirms itself or is eventually modkilled. Or host sits on their hands and do nothing, cause reasons.

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

Thinking the same. Which is why a replacement here would be soooooo handy. Cause if disguiser left Jan alone, replacement could come in and help immensely as confirmed town with free coroner checks all game.

"Not looking for a replacement" is a dick move if that slot is currently empty.

True but we need Jan not a replacement because if Jan is replaced town is screwed. If vlad also made that to clear him from Jan being suspect make it easy for vlad to hide there and lead town down a bad rabbit hole. And you pushing mod to repack makes you sus in my eyes

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

What id like more is for a Jailor to out and claim that they do exist. I can imagine town jailor/mafia guiser.

Yes I would love that Jail please come out counter claim me lol.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

True but we need Jan not a replacement because if Jan is replaced town is screwed. If vlad also made that to clear him from Jan being suspect make it easy for vlad to hide there and lead town down a bad rabbit hole. And you pushing mod to repack makes you sus in my eyes

How is town screwed if Jan is replaced? Coroner has 2 public reveals. If Jan is not disguised right now, and is replaced, the replacement comes in and confirms that they are still coroner. Which makes a confirmed town, alongside you. 2 confirmed towns and no night kill is an auto lock for win.

Jan being modkilled is what would fuck over town, because then the whole plan to figure out which coroner was telling the truth was for not, just cause Jan decided to quit over "read the damn game"

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Wouldn't the simplest conclusion be that Vlad is now Jan and plans on doing nothing? The slot technically isn't empty in that case. It's a fair assumption?

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Coroner:

Special: Twice per game, you may anonymously reveal your target's faction to the entire town during the day.

Like the whole fucking point of the plan was to put the squeeze on the disguiser, force them to move, then get coroner to reveal again. How is a replacement NOT a good idea here?

The host refusing to replace is a literal "fuck you" to the town for having solve their game and trying to keep it interesting.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Wouldn't the simplest conclusion be that Vlad is now Jan and plans on doing nothing? The slot technically isn't empty in that case. It's a fair assumption?

Yes. But like how can you as a host not modkill that slot eventually regardless? Or replace it? It's against the rules to not post.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Of course, is Vlad is Jan he is still obligated to make his ten posts. So.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Yes. But like how can you as a host not modkill that slot eventually regardless? Or replace it? It's against the rules to not post.

Okay so, relax and avoid angle-shooting. He makes his 10 posts at some point today. We can assume that much.

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

How is town screwed if Jan is replaced? Coroner has 2 public reveals. If Jan is not disguised right now, and is replaced, the replacement comes in and confirms that they are still coroner. Which makes a confirmed town, alongside you. 2 confirmed towns and no night kill is an auto lock for win.

Jan being modkilled is what would fuck over town, because then the whole plan to figure out which coroner was telling the truth was for not, just cause Jan decided to quit over "read the damn game"

Never mind forgot about the 2nd review sweet

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Never mind forgot about the 2nd review sweet

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Personally I'm excited for Vlad's theatrics.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Samsies, SQUAWK

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

I am sad and frustrated my read on Jan's was most plausibly incorrect. But Vlad was the better communicator, and Jan's lines were continuous bruh moments.

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

Ok we have a fake sheriff or a fake arct. At least we we have one thing going for us in any word the arct does not open a night chat with me he dies in the night. Sorry but this is to keep you from framing anyone just in case I read you wrong. Saving my night shot. If you think I am fake don’t open the night chat and confirm me .

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Ok we have a fake sheriff or a fake arct. At least we we have one thing going for us in any word the arct does not open a night chat with me he dies in the night. Sorry but this is to keep you from framing anyone just in case I read you wrong. Saving my night shot. If you think I am fake don’t open the night chat and confirm me .

I'm okay with this plan.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

I am sad and frustrated my read on Jan's was most plausibly incorrect. But Vlad was the better communicator, and Jan's lines were continuous bruh moments.

This is actually what I meant when I said 'we can assume that much' and whether there were no mechanical holes in what our plan was.

I was thinking about how much difficulty I've had this game lining up reality with what I wanted to believe.

I wanted to be right that Jan was some veteran angleshooty mastermind player pretending to be silly.

And that Vlad was just a good player, doing good things.

But based off what we see, this does not appear to be the case in the status quo.

[S-FM Lois Francklyn]

Yo so I haven't read shit except for the fact that Vlad's. Let me announce my action and result:

I have checked S-FM Marlwyn Janson and they show up as "the Brookmond Alignment", for whatever reason feedback wasn't the same as listed in the Feedback section from the setup.

-vote S-FM Marlwyn Janson

I'm not even gonna entertain the possibility that Marlwyn's alignment was changed. Occam's razor and all. Either Quinne is fake claiming or Marlwyn is and Quinne is a hundred times more believable.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Ok we have a fake sheriff or a fake arct. At least we we have one thing going for us in any word the arct does not open a night chat with me he dies in the night. Sorry but this is to keep you from framing anyone just in case I read you wrong. Saving my night shot. If you think I am fake don’t open the night chat and confirm me .

As long as you don't tell me you're Hacker again.

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

Read chat mulan

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Yo so I haven't read shit except for the fact that Vlad's. Let me announce my action and result:

I have checked S-FM Marlwyn Janson and they show up as "the Brookmond Alignment", for whatever reason feedback wasn't the same as listed in the Feedback section from the setup.

-vote S-FM Marlwyn Janson

I'm not even gonna entertain the possibility that Marlwyn's alignment was changed. Occam's razor and all. Either Quinne is fake claiming or Marlwyn is and Quinne is a hundred times more believable.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

I'm gonna make some brunch and think about the possibilities before us here

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Yo so I haven't read shit except for the fact that Vlad's. Let me announce my action and result:

I have checked S-FM Marlwyn Janson and they show up as "the Brookmond Alignment", for whatever reason feedback wasn't the same as listed in the Feedback section from the setup.

-vote S-FM Marlwyn Janson

I'm not even gonna entertain the possibility that Marlwyn's alignment was changed. Occam's razor and all. Either Quinne is fake claiming or Marlwyn is and Quinne is a hundred times more believable.

wew this is exciting.

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

Yo so I haven't read shit except for the fact that Vlad's. Let me announce my action and result:

I have checked S-FM Marlwyn Janson and they show up as "the Brookmond Alignment", for whatever reason feedback wasn't the same as listed in the Feedback section from the setup.

-vote S-FM Marlwyn Janson

I'm not even gonna entertain the possibility that Marlwyn's alignment was changed. Occam's razor and all. Either Quinne is fake claiming or Marlwyn is and Quinne is a hundred times more believable.

What was you check last noght

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

wew this is exciting.

Agreed lol

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Well, naturally I was framed or you're lying.

@S-FM Lois Francklyn Why did you check me?

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Did he just do that and dip out?

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

lol

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

Well, naturally I was framed or you're lying.

@S-FM Lois Francklyn Why did you check me?

1 you can be mafia
2. Louis is now vlad
3 you where framed

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

I can confirm Milano can not be vlad

[S-FM Lois Francklyn]

Well, naturally I was framed or you're lying.

@S-FM Lois Francklyn Why did you check me?

Obviously cause you were in a deadlock with Quinne and me. One of you has to be scum and I suspected you more strongly. According to my notes Quinne's D1 behaviour matches up with a Sheriff claim whereas with you and your Architect claim I had mixed feelings towards the end of D2. Now obviously Quinne might have crumbled their role really well but if I have to make an ISO of the relevant posts to show why Quinne's claim is more believable then so be it. Either way, you were high on my radar and resolving whether it's you or Quinne will bring useful information and of course get us one step closer to getting rid of scum.

[S-FM Lois Francklyn]

For more insight I've already made it clear in #2712 that I was more suspicious of Marlwyn than of Quinne after the role claims.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Obviously cause you were in a deadlock with Quinne and me. One of you has to be scum and I suspected you more strongly. According to my notes Quinne's D1 behaviour matches up with a Sheriff claim whereas with you and your Architect claim I had mixed feelings towards the end of D2. Now obviously Quinne might have crumbled their role really well but if I have to make an ISO of the relevant posts to show why Quinne's claim is more believable then so be it. Either way, you were high on my radar and resolving whether it's you or Quinne will bring useful information and of course get us one step closer to getting rid of scum.

So you checked me, who you now know is confirmed to have had a chat with Fred. Meaning I could not have been Framing anyone.

I was in a chat with Vlad N1, who can now assume is Disguiser.

But from that, you would think I'm lying and the chat never happened, which is fair :: I must have been framing you to look Town on N1.

Because in some world, with my infinite wisdom, I knew that Quinne, would check you?

Why would I frame a townie to look townie?

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Therein is the great flaw. Two of them really.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

The only alternative would be for Fred to concede that he actually is a neutral evil but that's proven whether or not he shoots someone.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

So you checked me, who you now know is confirmed to have had a chat with Fred. Meaning I could not have been Framing anyone.

I was in a chat with Vlad N1, who can now assume is Disguiser.

But from that, you would think I'm lying and the chat never happened, which is fair :: I must have been framing you to look Town on N1.

Because in some world, with my infinite wisdom, I knew that Quinne, would check you?

Why would I frame a townie to look townie?

I forgot that you did an architect n1 with Vlad. Hmm. Not a good look.

[S-FM Lois Francklyn]

1 you can be mafia
2. Louis is now vlad
3 you where framed

Indeed, those are the rough possibilities. I will say that Vlad disguising as me is not super unlikely but my supposed "confirmed" town status due to the nature of the RQ was not 100% solid and considering I was in a three-way tie of getting lynched I am not sure I was the very best target for Vlad. Certainly a good one though.

Marlwyn being framed is a possiblity, however due to the fact that we haven't had two night chats at the same time it means that either there is just a Scumitect around or the Framer has used their framing ability twice in a row (or not at all). And I'd reckon it's a 50/50 flip from their POV on whether they'd frame Quinne or Marlwyn, my posts might have been hints. With the current information we have though I don't see why we should believe Marlwyn to not be scum and Quinne be scum.

Also a 4th possibility would be Vlad disuguising as Marlwyn but that's even more unlikely obviously.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

I'm really nterested in what Quinne is going to give us today

[S-FM Lois Francklyn]

So you checked me, who you now know is confirmed to have had a chat with Fred. Meaning I could not have been Framing anyone.

I was in a chat with Vlad N1, who can now assume is Disguiser.

But from that, you would think I'm lying and the chat never happened, which is fair :: I must have been framing you to look Town on N1.

Because in some world, with my infinite wisdom, I knew that Quinne, would check you?

Why would I frame a townie to look townie?

Where the heck did I say that I was framed to look townie? Read again maybe or tell me what you mean but I have never said or believed that. Try again.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Indeed, those are the rough possibilities. I will say that Vlad disguising as me is not super unlikely but my supposed "confirmed" town status due to the nature of the RQ was not 100% solid and considering I was in a three-way tie of getting lynched I am not sure I was the very best target for Vlad. Certainly a good one though.

Marlwyn being framed is a possiblity, however due to the fact that we haven't had two night chats at the same time it means that either there is just a Scumitect around or the Framer has used their framing ability twice in a row (or not at all). And I'd reckon it's a 50/50 flip from their POV on whether they'd frame Quinne or Marlwyn, my posts might have been hints. With the current information we have though I don't see why we should believe Marlwyn to not be scum and Quinne be scum.

Also a 4th possibility would be Vlad disuguising as Marlwyn but that's even more unlikely obviously.

I dont think Vlad targetted either sheriff nor the architect. Because none of you are likely making it all the way down to a 2v1 LYLO

[S-FM Lois Francklyn]

It's simple: N1 chat was a lie, N2 chat with Fred is real. You have used your framing ability on N1 and we don't know on who and on N2 you created an Architect chat to "confirm" your claim.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

I forgot that you did an architect n1 with Vlad. Hmm. Not a good look.

Pay attention to the final two questions. Worldbuild where I'm scum and we have two Sheriffs okay?

If I'm scum, this implies that I used my night action to frame Lois as a Townie.

We could assume this because Quinne has stated so.

Why would I do this as scum and how could I anticipate Quinne checking Lois in order to get a green check anyway?

[S-FM Lois Francklyn]

Pay attention to the final two questions. Worldbuild where I'm scum and we have two Sheriffs okay?

If I'm scum, this implies that I used my night action to frame Lois as a Townie.

We could assume this because Quinne has stated so.

Why would I do this as scum and how could I anticipate Quinne checking Lois in order to get a green check anyway?

How does it imply this at all??? If you are scum then Quinne and I are town. And Quinne checked me and found out I was town because I am town. Your reasoning barely makes sense.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Oh well I guess in that world you would appear green anyway. Hm.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

Pay attention to the final two questions. Worldbuild where I'm scum and we have two Sheriffs okay?

If I'm scum, this implies that I used my night action to frame Lois as a Townie.

We could assume this because Quinne has stated so.

Why would I do this as scum and how could I anticipate Quinne checking Lois in order to get a green check anyway?

Honestly I dont think any of it matters. With no flips to be sure of anything, we likely end up lynching all 3 of you eventually

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Damn, what a predicament. Even after I die ill come back as scum.

[S-FM Fred Attlebish]

The only alternative would be for Fred to concede that he actually is a neutral evil but that's proven whether or not he shoots someone.

Dude I am viggy. That night chat was all a ploy to get you to put as mafia. Because I scum read you. I am 100% mechanical confirmed. So look in the world I am confirmed Viggy. What gets me is in the night chat you where bragging about seeing over my ploy. You outing our chat made me read you as lock town but your actions are getting me to doubt. What I want to know is if the sheriff is real or not only way to know for sure is to know if we lynched a town because if we lynched a town we lynched mayor makeong both sheriff claims fake. If he was town he did soft being a mayor another reason I wanted the vote to go on vlad. But town would not listion to crap.