S-FM 302: Magellan (15p)

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

Geneticist S-FM Jan Korvin
Hidden Officer (Killing) S-FM Fred Attlebish
Hidden Officer (Support) S-FM Arnarld Quinne
Hidden Officer (Support) S-FM Marlwyn Janson
Ensign S-FM Gollert Twissell
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign

Strike Team Leader (Support Agent) S-FM Lembird Oshay
Hidden Support Agent S-FM Vlädislow Kennt
Hidden Killing Agent S-FM Billigan Holbird

Hidden Neutral Benign S-FM Joha Schtilzt
Hidden Neutral Evil S-FM Marck Wilbird

Might be a useful exercise, this also fits with the claims quite well. This assumes we and I mislynched Jiles and Goncales

[Ganelon]

So I see people haven't considered that there is still the possibility that Joha is either mafia, neutral evil, or is neutral benign turned into an evil role.
@Magellan Core Can the clone take turncoat if the turncoat picked to side with Brookmonds? That technically would mean they have no killing power. Additionally, would the new turncoat get to pick a win condition?

Yes.
No, they can’t pick a wincon unless the old turncoat died on d1 and therefore did not pick a wincon.

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

Spoiler : world :

Geneticist S-FM Jan Korvin
Hidden Officer (Killing) S-FM Fred Attlebish
Hidden Officer (Support) S-FM Arnarld Quinne
Hidden Officer (Support) S-FM Marlwyn Janson
Ensign S-FM Gollert Twissell
Ensign S-FM Lembird Oshay
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign

Strike Team Leader (Support Agent) S-FM Lois Francklyn
Hidden Support Agent S-FM Vlädislow Kennt
Hidden Killing Agent S-FM Billigan Holbird

Hidden Neutral Benign S-FM Joha Schtilzt
Hidden Neutral Evil S-FM Marck Wilbird

Might be a useful exercise, this also fits with the claims quite well. This assumes we and I mislynched Jiles and Goncales

Forgot Lois, so I guess that makes either Billigan or Lembird town.

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

Yes.
No, they can’t pick a wincon unless the old turncoat died on d1 and therefore did not pick a wincon.

So it seems imperative to me that we kill Joha as soon as possible.

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

So it seems imperative to me that we kill Joha as soon as possible.

a h y e s b e c a u s e i a m a b o u n t y h u n t e r

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

So it seems imperative to me that we kill Joha as soon as possible.

So I have to be removed because a clone (A role that I am not) can become a turncoat neither of which are confirmed to be in the setup (The turncoat probably is which is fair, but we know who the turncoat is)

Not even mentioning the fact that the clone cannot become the turncoat if the turncoat becomes independent?

Dude why the fuck would I want to be a brookmond turncoat this game that sounds boring as hell

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

So I have to be removed because a clone (A role that I am not) can become a turncoat neither of which are confirmed to be in the setup (The turncoat probably is which is fair, but we know who the turncoat is)

Not even mentioning the fact that the clone cannot become the turncoat if the turncoat becomes independent?

Dude why the fuck would I want to be a brookmond turncoat this game that sounds boring as hell

Possible that Quinne fake checked Wilbird and that you took a neutral evil role by accident. It's not like you did bounty hunter-equse things, so your complaint isn't merited in my eyes. If you had a pro-town attitude since the beginning I might have just kept this idea in my head.

[S-FM Quinne]

@S-FM Quinne Do you believe the EXe claim do you believe Joha is NB?

I don't know.
Optimum play for NB is to fake Citizen. So I don't understand why they would reveal just to help us out.
The circumstances and roles seemingly coincidental. And now that it's impossible for a Coroner to help solve the game now they reveal?

I want to believe their claim. It sounds convincing. But there's just too much flaw in their play today. I am willing to give them a chance and lynch all mechanically possible candidates first, but if it's then still game on. They must go.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

Geneticist S-FM Jan Korvin
Hidden Officer (Killing) S-FM Fred Attlebish
Hidden Officer (Support) S-FM Arnarld Quinne
Hidden Officer (Support) S-FM Marlwyn Janson
Ensign S-FM Gollert Twissell
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign

Strike Team Leader (Support Agent) S-FM Lembird Oshay
Hidden Support Agent S-FM Vlädislow Kennt
Hidden Killing Agent S-FM Billigan Holbird

Hidden Neutral Benign S-FM Joha Schtilzt
Hidden Neutral Evil S-FM Marck Wilbird

Might be a useful exercise, this also fits with the claims quite well. This assumes we and I mislynched Jiles and Goncales

what?

vlad was disguiser, and that they disguised into jan, i thought this was agreed upon by everyone.

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

Geneticist S-FM Jan Korvin
Hidden Officer (Killing) S-FM Fred Attlebish
Hidden Officer (Support) S-FM Arnarld Quinne
Hidden Officer (Support) S-FM Marlwyn Janson
Ensign S-FM Gollert Twissell
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign

Strike Team Leader (Support Agent) S-FM Lembird Oshay
Hidden Support Agent S-FM Vlädislow Kennt
Hidden Killing Agent S-FM Billigan Holbird

Hidden Neutral Benign S-FM Joha Schtilzt
Hidden Neutral Evil S-FM Marck Wilbird

I mean it's not the only disagreement I have with this list but weird that you put Vlad in the support slot and not the killing slot. Did you think this list through?

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

I mean it's not the only disagreement I have with this list but weird that you put Vlad in the support slot and not the killing slot. Did you think this list through?

i dont think they did

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

Possible that Quinne fake checked Wilbird and that you took a neutral evil role by accident. It's not like you did bounty hunter-equse things, so your complaint isn't merited in my eyes. If you had a pro-town attitude since the beginning I might have just kept this idea in my head.

Well he did say by the time he inherited his role his target had already been lynched. So really he is actually best thought of as a "Survivor" and playing not to anger individual factions rather than an "Executioner".

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

Except because nobody can kill him his real danger is being lynched, which is why he will side with Town and why he has been playing pro-town these past few days.

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

I mean it's not the only disagreement I have with this list but weird that you put Vlad in the support slot and not the killing slot. Did you think this list through?

Spoiler : world2 :

Geneticist S-FM Jan Korvin
Hidden Officer (Killing) S-FM Fred Attlebish
Hidden Officer (Support) S-FM Arnarld Quinne
Hidden Officer (Support) S-FM Marlwyn Janson
Ensign S-FM Gollert Twissell
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign

Strike Team Leader (Support Agent) S-FM Lembird Oshay
Hidden Support Agent S-FM Billigan Holbird
Hidden Killing Agent S-FM Vlädislow Kennt

Hidden Neutral Benign S-FM Joha Schtilzt
Hidden Neutral Evil S-FM Marck Wilbird

Fixed. Still got the same conclusion.

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

Spoiler : world2 :

Geneticist S-FM Jan Korvin
Hidden Officer (Killing) S-FM Fred Attlebish
Hidden Officer (Support) S-FM Arnarld Quinne
Hidden Officer (Support) S-FM Marlwyn Janson
Ensign S-FM Gollert Twissell
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign

Strike Team Leader (Support Agent) S-FM Lembird Oshay
Hidden Support Agent S-FM Billigan Holbird
Hidden Killing Agent S-FM Vlädislow Kennt

Hidden Neutral Benign S-FM Joha Schtilzt
Hidden Neutral Evil S-FM Marck Wilbird

Fixed. Still got the same conclusion.

Ok so is Lois a cit or a scum? he can't be both and he found Marlwyn as guilty who you have in your TPR slots.

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

That list still doesn't look very thought through.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

Ok so is Lois a cit or a scum? he can't be both and he found Marlwyn as guilty who you have in your TPR slots.

i was thinking that too

it just screams lazy, and thats coming from me

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

i was thinking that too

it just screams lazy, and thats coming from me

Bro go make your own. At least I'm trying.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

Bro go make your own. At least I'm trying.

nice deflection

i'll make one too, 1 world in which roflomgbbq was scum and one where he was not

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

nice deflection

i'll make one too, 1 world in which roflomgbbq was scum and one where he was not

Deflection? Yeah I'm lazy as can be.
I'd recommend the one where is was not scum because currently I think it's our game to lose.

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

Possible that Quinne fake checked Wilbird and that you took a neutral evil role by accident. It's not like you did bounty hunter-equse things, so your complaint isn't merited in my eyes. If you had a pro-town attitude since the beginning I might have just kept this idea in my head.

Yeah, I didn't have to.

I replaced in as jiles was already dying. I had to keep pushing Jiles (if you were to go back and look, you'll notice I did) to win the game.

What, upon any other day, did I do that was Anti-Town? Can you give me examples?

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

I don't know.
Optimum play for NB is to fake Citizen. So I don't understand why they would reveal just to help us out.
The circumstances and roles seemingly coincidental. And now that it's impossible for a Coroner to help solve the game now they reveal?

I want to believe their claim. It sounds convincing. But there's just too much flaw in their play today. I am willing to give them a chance and lynch all mechanically possible candidates first, but if it's then still game on. They must go.

Because I want this game to end

This also
1. Places me in an un-CCd slot. Unless wilbird throws by claiming NB. He literally asked for NB to reveal 5+ times throughout the game- if he were NB he would've done so by now.
2. Means that I shouldn't be mislynched today. I should, be revealing today, have a theoretical hand-holding walk to the end.

I'm perfectly willing to walk anyone through this today.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

world if quine is sheriff

Geneticist S-FM Jan Korvin
Hidden Officer (Killing) Fred Attlebish
Hidden Officer (Support) Arnarld Quinne
Hidden Officer (Support) Marlwyn Janson
Ensign me
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign

Strike Team Leader (Support Agent) lois
Hidden Support Agent holbird/twiinsells
Hidden Killing Agent vlad

Hidden Neutral Benign S-FM Joha Schtilzt
Hidden Neutral Evil S-FM Marck Wilbird

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

Except because nobody can kill him his real danger is being lynched, which is why he will side with Town and why he has been playing pro-town these past few days.

I love you Bart.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

world if quine is sheriff

Geneticist S-FM Jan Korvin
Hidden Officer (Killing) Fred Attlebish
Hidden Officer (Support) Arnarld Quinne
Hidden Officer (Support) Marlwyn Janson
Ensign me
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign
Ensign

Strike Team Leader (Support Agent) lois
Hidden Support Agent holbird/twiinsells
Hidden Killing Agent vlad

Hidden Neutral Benign S-FM Joha Schtilzt
Hidden Neutral Evil S-FM Marck Wilbird

this kind of speculation is more or less useless when we have zero info about flips

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

Gollert is town

Spicy hot jalapeno take

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

this kind of speculation is more or less useless when we have zero info about flips

Uh sure? Or you could be doing something else?

1. Like rereading the thread.
2. Forming your scumcase on me.
3. Discussing who you think is optimally lynched.
4. Sit on your butt and do nothing.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

this kind of speculation is more or less useless when we have zero info about flips

at least with what we think we know, we already got 1 scum by lynching vlad
there's at least 1 more within the grouping of nick/mulan/quinne
last 2 scum is a cit claim, which includes:
bart
twinssell
myself
wilberd
edoua
roflomgbbq (dead)
jiles unless bounty hunter's target is confirmed town (dead)

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

Gollert we know there is a mafia hiding in the 3 TPR claims.
Do you agree with the plan to eliminate that mafia for certain by killing all 3?
Ie 1 mafia for 2 town which is great odds.

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

Gollert we know there is a mafia hiding in the 3 TPR claims.
Do you agree with the plan to eliminate that mafia for certain by killing all 3?
Ie 1 mafia for 2 town which is great odds.

In one world we:
day 1 lynch NB
day 2 mislynch wilbird, fred gets shot
day 3 mylo

So I'm wondering if we should lynch Wilbird and Quinne together instead.

I've working on a worst case scenario because I don't want to lose majority. I will reply to this post after I have finished.

[S-FM Joha Schtilzt]

Gollert is town

Spicy hot jalapeno take

Don't ask me why it's just a strong gut feeling

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

In one world we:
day 1 lynch NB
day 2 mislynch wilbird, fred gets shot
day 3 mylo

So I'm wondering if we should lynch Wilbird and Quinne together instead.

I've working on a worst case scenario because I don't want to lose majority. I will reply to this post after I have finished.

Wait how does Fred get shot?

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

I'm finding it really hard to follow your thinking, bro.

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

In one world we:
day 1 lynch NB
day 2 mislynch wilbird, fred gets shot
day 3 mylo

So I'm wondering if we should lynch Wilbird and Quinne together instead.

I've working on a worst case scenario because I don't want to lose majority. I will reply to this post after I have finished.

Also why do you prefer to lynch Quinne first (who most people think is the more believable claim) than Marlwyn?

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

at least with what we think we know, we already got 1 scum by lynching vlad
there's at least 1 more within the grouping of nick/mulan/quinne
last 2 scum is a cit claim, which includes:
bart
twinssell
myself
wilberd
edoua
roflomgbbq (dead)
jiles unless bounty hunter's target is confirmed town (dead)

fuck i forgot holbird


ignoring the tpr trifecta, and their claims because we're lynching all of them anyway since it's the most optimal play, that leaves us with
bart, twinssells, myself, wilberd, ed, and holbird alive.
im putting myself in the town box.
town: myself
i would like to lynch bart last out of all of these canidates
town: myself, bart
i like ed.
town: myself, bart, ed
that leaves holbird, twinsells, and wilberd.
if quinne is to be believed, that means wilberd is scum
town: myself, bart, ed
scum: wilberd
so that leaves holbird and twinsells to be lynched last from my pov

if quinne is giving us shit info, then that means wilberd probably isn't neut. i'd put him in the town box.
town: myself, bart, ed, wilberd.
then that means we lynch both twinsells and holbird.

so we lynch in this order

quinne/mulan > holbird > wilberd > twinsells > ed > bart

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

fuck i forgot holbird


ignoring the tpr trifecta, and their claims because we're lynching all of them anyway since it's the most optimal play, that leaves us with
bart, twinssells, myself, wilberd, ed, and holbird alive.
im putting myself in the town box.
town: myself
i would like to lynch bart last out of all of these canidates
town: myself, bart
i like ed.
town: myself, bart, ed
that leaves holbird, twinsells, and wilberd.
if quinne is to be believed, that means wilberd is scum
town: myself, bart, ed
scum: wilberd
so that leaves holbird and twinsells to be lynched last from my pov

if quinne is giving us shit info, then that means wilberd probably isn't neut. i'd put him in the town box.
town: myself, bart, ed, wilberd.
then that means we lynch both twinsells and holbird.

so we lynch in this order

quinne/mulan > holbird > wilberd > twinsells > ed > bart

This is solid reasoning.

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

Wait how does Fred get shot?

I'm finding it really hard to follow your thinking, bro.

Also why do you prefer to lynch Quinne first (who most people think is the more believable claim) than Marlwyn?

Possible turncoat in the game.
Because Quinne has a neutral check on Wilbird, dunno if its fake, real, or forged. Still working on this.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

Possible turncoat in the game.
Because Quinne has a neutral check on Wilbird, dunno if its fake, real, or forged. Still working on this.

do you really think turncoat went solo on this?
that's basically a death wish in this already damn near impossible setup for scum

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

Because Quinne has a neutral check on Wilbird, dunno if its fake, real, or forged. Still working on this.

Ok.

Do you not think it would be more useful to remove the possible framer from the picture today and allow a possible Sheriff to give one more read before we lynch him?

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

This is solid reasoning.

and ofc i forgot john, but they're a self-outed benign, who openly said they'd side with town.

if we lynch in this order i dont see how we lose

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

and ofc i forgot john, but they're a self-outed benign, who openly said they'd side with town.

if we lynch in this order i dont see how we lose

well unless bart is scum
but i don't see that timeline
i only thought they were vlad for a minute because they suddenly grew a funny bone after disguise hit

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

Ok.

Do you not think it would be more useful to remove the possible framer from the picture today and allow a possible Sheriff to give one more read before we lynch him?

There are no more sheriff checks, each sheriff checked twice.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

There are no more sheriff checks, each sheriff checked twice.

i think quinnes reads are more useful than mulans
we can do pov analysis on them

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

There are no more sheriff checks, each sheriff checked twice.

True

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

I don't see how we escape lynching Joha today. If a turncoat exists we lose majority by mislynching and Fred getting shot.

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

If there really is a turncoat I'd be so surprised to see them having chosen to go alone - that would be suicide. I seriously doubt Turncoat has a gun if they're in the setup.

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

One thing we agree on Lembird (I wonder if I should be agreeing this point) is that I would take Bart as my #3 (after myself and Fred, who I am assuming is going to die).

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

One thing we agree on Lembird (I wonder if I should be agreeing this point) is that I would take Bart as my #3 (after myself and Fred, who I am assuming is going to die).

you see me as scum
i see you as scum
we can lynch holbird as our first cit claim lynch, if game ends then then we just tvt'd ourselves
does anyone really think holbird isn't scum?

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

fuck i forgot holbird


ignoring the tpr trifecta, and their claims because we're lynching all of them anyway since it's the most optimal play, that leaves us with
bart, twinssells, myself, wilberd, ed, and holbird alive.
im putting myself in the town box.
town: myself
i would like to lynch bart last out of all of these canidates
town: myself, bart
i like ed.
town: myself, bart, ed
that leaves holbird, twinsells, and wilberd.
if quinne is to be believed, that means wilberd is scum
town: myself, bart, ed
scum: wilberd
so that leaves holbird and twinsells to be lynched last from my pov

if quinne is giving us shit info, then that means wilberd probably isn't neut. i'd put him in the town box.
town: myself, bart, ed, wilberd.
then that means we lynch both twinsells and holbird.

so we lynch in this order

quinne/mulan > holbird > wilberd > twinsells > ed > bart

this will leave fred, john, and myself alive throughout the whole shebang, if game isn't over after lynching in this order, then fred and john just lynch me, ez.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

this will leave fred, john, and myself alive throughout the whole shebang, if game isn't over after lynching in this order, then fred and john just lynch me, ez.

because we all agree that fred is confirmed town, right?