S-FM 302: Magellan (15p)

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

PSA

Posting in teal is a sin.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

I'm totally down to fucking kill that guy tomorrow btw.

[S-FM Lois Francklyn]

Ya'know. I thought about it too. Perhaps third party here.

Dude is straight up Mafia thinking he got caught for the wrong reasons, which causes genuine frustration / anger

How you like them apples Sir "today doesn't matter"

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

I'm totally down to fucking kill that guy tomorrow btw.

It's more helpful to kill scum than kill because of selfish personal preference.

[S-FM Jiles Carballo]

Dude is straight up Mafia thinking he got caught for the wrong reasons, which causes genuine frustration / anger

How you like them apples Sir "today doesn't matter"

This is irrelevant currently

but the section highlighted makes me scratch my head a little bit seeing as though my posts have mostly either been neutral or questioning.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

oooh i just remembered this is the first game with more than 2 factions in a while.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Dude is straight up Mafia thinking he got caught for the wrong reasons, which causes genuine frustration / anger

How you like them apples Sir "today doesn't matter"

It's all really bad.

[S-FM Jiles Carballo]

It's more helpful to kill scum than kill because of selfish personal preference.

I completely agree

[S-FM Jiles Carballo]

oooh i just remembered this is the first game with more than 2 factions in a while.

Yep, we have Town, Maf, and Neut Evil(or 4th maf when you think of it without night chat)/Benign

[S-FM Lois Francklyn]

This is irrelevant currently

but the section highlighted makes me scratch my head a little bit seeing as though my posts have mostly either been neutral or questioning.

No, you mad

I'm shit posting in D0 and you guys are already calling scum lmfao.

You're trying to explain yourself by dismissing the arguments with a fake laugh

Guarantee thats not a genuine hearty laugh of the highest order if HaHas

This is a sad and nervous laugh preceding the anger Ha-s

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

It's more helpful to kill scum than kill because of selfish personal preference.

Wow you are so towny!

[S-FM Jiles Carballo]

No, you mad

Okay.

You're trying to explain yourself by dismissing the arguments with a fake laugh

Guarantee thats not a genuine hearty laugh of the highest order if HaHas

This is a sad and nervous laugh preceding the anger Ha-s

I'm just vibing over here in my corner man.

[S-FM Lois Francklyn]

Okay.



I'm just vibing over here in my corner man.

I hear you bud. I really do.

[S-FM Marck Wilbird]

It's more helpful to kill scum than kill because of selfish personal preference.

Such knowledge. Wow. Can you mentor me this game

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

You guys wanna know a Mafia strategy of mine?

I like to talk shit about everyone so nobody ever thinks about my interactions with my partners.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

It's more helpful to kill scum than kill because of selfish personal preference.

bruh moment

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

Such knowledge. Wow. Can you mentor me this game

Thank you, but mentoring is not allowed this game.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

It's a fantastic smokescreen. Particularly later on when you're grasping at straws trying to identify some correlation that doesn't exist.

And then you find it. You find it's absence.

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

I'm asking you to move beyond egoistic plays of clamoring for ill-deserved town points and instead actually solve whether or not other players are genuinely solving or not.

Talking about voting preferences just isn't alignment indicative. Expecting to get points because you shoot for the moon saying one vote system is better than the other is nonsensical. Do you beleive Mafia would argue for a different voye system, or make arguments on this topic in bad faith? Its a rhetorical question - no.So you don't get Town points for this topic.

I'm asking you again to instead start looking at the game through other players perspectives. Would they do this as Mafia? COULD they say this kind of thing as Mafia? No? Okay, start making your Town pile.

What you're doing now isn't solving. But I still want to beleive you're Town. I'm asking you to solve instead of whatever it is that you're doing. Can you follow my train of thought here and does that make sense to you?

I would have to disagree with this. I don't think mafia would likely "argue" one way or another, I believe they would suppress their actual voting pattern desires. Plurality is clearly favors town and majority favors scum. The reason we aren't seeing the mafia voice favor for majority is because it is a dissenting opinion and would be looked unfavorably upon. Why do you think people are just dropping in to say they want plurality+majority?

I'm in agreement with examining motives for determining town/scum, but your expectation for me to do that analysis so early on is, I think, out of place, but understandable with the thought process you seem to have as a whole. Really discussion generation is the most valuable thing we can do right now, and you're in agreement with me. If you continue to not think that I'm solving, then we shall have a problem. But until I'm genuinely lost, that will not happen, not even if everyone else becomes apathetic. You can count on that.

I think your question lacks context for any answer other than a tongue in cheek response for the sake if response.

Where am I in this context? What do the choices of staying and moving imply? These are the questions I'd ask myself to determine what to do next.

But if you really want a reply, I don't think you're asking this question in good faith and I'm inclined to death tunnel you from here on out.

*snicker* That was funny last line.

[S-FM Jiles Carballo]

You guys wanna know a Mafia strategy of mine?

I like to talk shit about everyone so nobody ever thinks about my interactions with my partners.

This person has the brain the size of a planet

Now why would you mention that? Unless you are deliberately changing your scum strategy for the game it doesn't really read nicely.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

I mean it's not like the votes for voting mechanic is public, we pm host our votes

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

It's a fantastic smokescreen. Particularly later on when you're grasping at straws trying to identify some correlation that doesn't exist.

And then you find it. You find it's absence.

An absence of relation can easily be reconverted into association with enough hard work, re-reading, VCA, and overall being observant.
I do like it when people are cooperative though, it makes discussions in realtime easier.

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

I would have to disagree with this. I don't think mafia would likely "argue" one way or another, I believe they would suppress their actual voting pattern desires. Plurality is clearly favors town and majority favors scum. The reason we aren't seeing the mafia voice favor for majority is because it is a dissenting opinion and would be looked unfavorably upon. Why do you think people are just dropping in to say they want plurality+majority?

I agree with this whole-heartedly which is why it is in our interests to ensure we get the preferred lynch correct, which is of course Plurality. Scum benefit if we screw up and choose the wrong lynch method but I also doubt they'll be brave enough to advocate for an opposition standpoint.

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

I mean it's not like the votes for voting mechanic is public, we pm host our votes

Yet you felt compelled to voice your opinion. You told us, on your own, why and what you were voting for. I'm saying someone probably already has voiced their opinion, and making it the same as the majority opinion, to get people to view them as being active but not wanting to rock the boat.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

An absence of relation can easily be reconverted into association with enough hard work, re-reading, VCA, and overall being observant.
I do like it when people are cooperative though, it makes discussions in realtime easier.

You fundamentally misunderstand. The absence of relation is in fact, relation in this context. And you'd need some extremely astute levels of reading and re-reading to get there.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

Yet you felt compelled to voice your opinion. You told us, on your own, why and what you were voting for. I'm saying someone probably already has voiced their opinion, and making it the same as the majority opinion, to get people to view them as being active but not wanting to rock the boat.

is plurality the majority opinion or is it the plurality?

[S-FM Lois Francklyn]

I would have to disagree with this. I don't think mafia would likely "argue" one way or another, I believe they would suppress their actual voting pattern desires. Plurality is clearly favors town and majority favors scum. The reason we aren't seeing the mafia voice favor for majority is because it is a dissenting opinion and would be looked unfavorably upon. Why do you think people are just dropping in to say they want plurality+majority?

I'm in agreement with examining motives for determining town/scum, but your expectation for me to do that analysis so early on is, I think, out of place, but understandable with the thought process you seem to have as a whole. Really discussion generation is the most valuable thing we can do right now, and you're in agreement with me. If you continue to not think that I'm solving, then we shall have a problem. But until I'm genuinely lost, that will not happen, not even if everyone else becomes apathetic. You can count on that.



*snicker* That was funny last line.

I think we're in a good place moving this game forward bit by bit and I'm happy you're putting in effort and giving me the respect to answer me from what I see is in good faith. Thank you, that's really chill

I think we may have a theoretical disagreement on what type of voting is best, but I don't think it's likely to burn bridges, right? I'm a fan of the plurality + majority option, but I respect if you only want plurality. I won't vote that way, but as long as we don't end up with the concordent system I'm happy.

Also yeah, straight up majority is gross. Looking forward to playing with you!

[S-FM Gollert Twissell]

is plurality the majority opinion or is it the plurality?

Plurality has the support of about two people.
Plurality+Majority has the support of about four people.
Condercet has the support of about 2.5 people.
Yapyap wrote a post in the thread about how condercet reveals powers roles. I've half a mind to believe him.

Did you find anything interesting in the setup?

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Why isn't your literary device working????

[S-FM Lois Francklyn]

It's a fantastic smokescreen. Particularly later on when you're grasping at straws trying to identify some correlation that doesn't exist.

And then you find it. You find it's absence.

I won't hold it against Mafia for piling onto Jiles here. Dude is already a sinking ship.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

I won't hold it against Mafia for piling onto Jiles here. Dude is already a sinking ship.

Right.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

However, I would conjecture that this website has far more capable scum than town.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

In it, that we are born of it. This town is not a menace. This scum is a menace. We know this from our first FM.

You play Mafia here, you were born of scum blood. No rhetoric, acronyms or salt will purify you.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

Plurality has the support of about two people.
Plurality+Majority has the support of about four people.
Condercet has the support of about 2.5 people.
Yapyap wrote a post in the thread about how condercet reveals powers roles. I've half a mind to believe him.

Did you find anything interesting in the setup?

i've been looking at some of the "special" things for a bunch of the roles to check for any weird interactions.
i think it's weird that architect can't reveal in chat, but there's nothing stopping the scum variant from doing so

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

And those scum who roll town, will see through you with eyes of impunity. Scorching all that you were endowed.

Until we don't. And you die.

[S-FM Lois Francklyn]

However, I would conjecture that this website has far more capable scum than town.

"website"? What are you talking about Marlwyn? We're on the open sea right now!

Let's go T pose on the mast of the ship like they did in Titanic.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

"website"? What are you talking about Marlwyn? We're on the open sea right now!

Let's go T pose on the mast of the ship like they did in Titanic.

This isn't the Cage I expected.
But perhaps deserved.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

"website"? What are you talking about Marlwyn? We're on the open sea right now!

Let's go T pose on the mast of the ship like they did in Titanic.

i thought the lore was that this was a spaceship?

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

This isn't the Cage I expected.
But perhaps deserved.

this sounds like baneposting but i dont think it's baneposting hours

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

this sounds like baneposting but i dont think it's baneposting hours

The Mushoo rises.

[S-FM Lois Francklyn]

i thought the lore was that this was a spaceship?

I didn't understand it to be that way, but for the sake of compromise, why not both?

[S-FM Bart Pilfter]

Resist the urge to be drawn into silly shit post conversation.

I'd like to hear arguments for why we should support majority or plurality with majority over plurality.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Can I offer us a different scale? One, admittedly easy for pocketing but also based mostly** on character?

Rate yourself 1 to 10 on likeability thus far.

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

Resist the urge to be drawn into silly shit post conversation.

I'd like to hear arguments for why we should support majority or plurality with majority over plurality.

fuck off thats boring

-Mulan

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

Can I offer us a different scale? One, admittedly easy for pocketing but also based mostly** on character?

Rate yourself 1 to 10 on likeability thus far.

four

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

four

brave
I say 7

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

brave
I say 7

is that for me or for you?

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

is that for me or for you?

Me obv.

[S-FM Lembird Oshay]

Me obv.

why wouldn't you answer your own question in the post that you submitted it in?

[S-FM Marlwyn Janson]

You have the likeability of an anamitronic dog.