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  1. #901

    Re: Re : Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020

    Good morning. It's a shame Dallarian had to leave us, he tried his best.

    Anyhow

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    With that in mind, either Martin or DW are lying for me right now.
    My gut is still telling me Martin, he is barking louder than he can bite if he is citizen.

    Anyhow, we have 26 hours so perhaps we use this time to watch and observe Deathworlds?

    @deathworlds Welcome to the game!

    So if Dallarian is telling the truth, then Bakermir would not visit anyone, and Dallarian wouldn't be targetted by mafia any time soon, should he be spared, simply because he looked suspicious to most people. Remember my earlier theory (grounded on scum behavior in the mod) that the suspicious looking townies would not be hit by mafia in order to serve as lynch bait for town.
    https://imgur.com/a/NqMwElZ fuck it heres all the sc2mafia pics i would have put in the sig

  2. #902

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grakylan View Post
    Good morning. It's a shame Dallarian had to leave us, he tried his best.

    Anyhow



    My gut is still telling me Martin, he is barking louder than he can bite if he is citizen.

    Anyhow, we have 26 hours so perhaps we use this time to watch and observe Deathworlds?

    @deathworlds Welcome to the game!

    So if Dallarian is telling the truth, then Bakermir would not visit anyone, and Dallarian wouldn't be targetted by mafia any time soon, should he be spared, simply because he looked suspicious to most people. Remember my earlier theory (grounded on scum behavior in the mod) that the suspicious looking townies would not be hit by mafia in order to serve as lynch bait for town.
    Please walk me through the Martin pre-vote, if you will.

  3. #903

    Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Alirght, i'm back. I overslept a fair bit.

    Here's my responses to the things that have happened so far since I was gone (its a wall post )
    Spoiler : Responses :

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    If your claim is legit, there is no other power role.
    ^ This is actually a fair point in grakylan's defense. Honestly, I feel if someone claims it wont matter too much, because as Ash pointed (or i believe at least implied) out to me earlier, it seems quite plausible he might get shot on N2 or N3 anyways.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grakylan View Post
    my claim as an investigative is legit. you are some power role, but who knows which.

    If you are a protective and you reveal now you would understandably take the hit from mafia, allowing me, the investigative, to check one sus player. And if mafia decides to hit me, you would, hopefully, be on my ass and save me.

    And if you are an investigative... then I suppose we go on the same guy. One of us will get hit, but the other will live to tell the tale.

    Me asking what kind of power role are you is the OPPOSITE of convincing you to stay hidden. I basically switched from "stay hidden" to "on second thought..." in the same post.
    There is no point in knowing Ash Lael's power role right now. He was asking for claims, not roles.

    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    Dallarian/Martin was a thing from #77 and onwards. Auwt on #154 laid the seed and this turned into Dallarian/Martin + Auwt + Grakylan + Helltanis as the time passed. Zedus was lynched based on this artificial town these people created.


    How did Auwt figure out Martin from the beginning? How did he also figure out Renegade? Why was he so aggressive with me when I was away? He believed I was scum buddying Zedus(townie) but this again conflicts with his #154 where Zedus was big scum.

    Grakylan day 1 followed Auwt's #154 to the end. His change in votes was very questionable at EOD1 and Auwt's afk with a vote on me at EOD1.

    Did Grakylan hesitated to vote me instead? Because he was going all "yea yea lets put bakermir on lynch or put him under inspection"
    Its quite possible the scum thought we were going to try and lynch you (Bakermir) on D2. But I believe that's far from likely. Anyways, STILL having ONLY one reads list at #154, even after I pointed at out in SoD2, while there's been 816 posts at this point is really bothersome to me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grakylan View Post
    Let me dispel the fiction that Auwt and I are the scum team. I would lynch Auwt as it stands now unless things develop not necessarily to your favor.
    Well as my tinfoil (but plausible) theory stands, this is just bussing.

    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    If you have a strong lead on me then why would you ever vote against me?

    Do you think I am a mafia power that didn't take any action?

    What role does that?
    Beguiler does, and Grakylan's point is certainly plausible. Actually, we haven't considered if we have a bus driver or not. We aren't notified if we were bussed. While the individual chances of a certain power role are low (~16% I think for one to exist out of 3 Town Any's, if I recall correctly), it is possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grakylan View Post
    Martin - scum leaning. His posts do give credence, but has lately accused Auwt of power hunting.... although Auwt is a pretty good town read right now. His high quality posts, often distracting and sometimes going off the rails, could be a front. Not to mention use of AtE in SoD1 (debate me on this if you may).
    Scum Leaning? What happened to your #219 read of me where you said I had to be a power role or scum? Right now you should be 100% scum reading me, not scum lean. See here:
    Quote Originally Posted by Grakylan View Post
    and AtE suggest either a TPR or scum trying to make himself look all so important.
    And you mentioned the AtE. You're quite clearly looking back at that time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Open claiming citizen ? That changes a lot of things in my head.
    I mean, it was quite obvious. Especially with ash now asking for (any) power claims. At least in my opinion. Heck you called it very early through careful analysis. But you could've argued i was town at that time in other ways, not by calling me citizen.

    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    I don't see a possibility in both you and Auwt being mafia.

    If we assume both of you are in citizen pool then it can't be both of you. We already have all TPR claims out there to max number.

    I don't why would you consider Auwt/Martin duo? There is no logic to it
    I considered it to satisfy Ash's concerns. While I may not be him, he has been an inquisitve town that, at times, has caught things that I would never have. I respect everything he says, even if I were to disagree with him on a personal level. We need his input if we want a clear consensus.

    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    At this point, it is more of Grakylan lying about his claim or not. But then, I can't decide that without input from other TPR's.
    I partially second this. Although there is a very slight, but unlikely, possibility that the third town any -- if grak is scum -- rolled citizen. However, with the evidence I posted earlier, I feel grak is scum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    We’ve previously had soft citizen claims from Drizzt and Martin.
    I recently explicitly claimed citizen for the sake of argument against Auwt. He was right from the get-go about his citizen guess about me, which worried me about his other citizen guesses.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    There’s a secondary question: if things shake out with this expected 3/4 split, do we lynch in the civilians or in the power roles?
    Personally, I feel I would lynch in the power roles. If we lynch Grak and he's scum, it would rule out an Auwt/Martin combo that you proposed before since we would then both cannot be scum. But then again id' be fine lynching Auwt.

    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    We still have 34 hours.

    I see Dallarian is taking his time.
    This is becoming concerning. But might this be related to the Helltanis situation? I mean, Helltanis was summoned into signing by Dallarian (As deduced by me towards EoD1). Maybe he felt the need to go once Helltanis was gone? Or was there soem IRL thing that affected them both?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    For this reason I assume the scum will split one in each group. Otherwise we’ve almost won the game already. Three lynches in a group of four people to catch two is amazing for us. I don’t think they’ll let us have it.
    Which is what is happening with Grakylan/Auwt combo, if my theory is correct.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dallarian View Post

    My role is Citizen and I have received no night feedback..
    Wait, so is Bakermir (from earlier) suggesting he was citizen from Town any?

    Or is Drizzt a TPR?

    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    I stand by Dallarian's citizen claim
    -vote MartinGG99

    This slot is most likely to be scum from my pov. I'll be back with more content on them but I just got off my graveyard shift, I haven't slept in like 18 hours and my brain feels like a soft tomato.
    I wonder if this is just to pressure me. I mean, Drizzt did the same thing with his statement (which honestly caught me off guard). Then again to get an accurate picture of me takes the whole thread, and I don't blame you if you decided to not read absolutely all of it.

    Also welcome to the game, Deathworlds! (Cool name and avatar imo, but this is an unrelated-to-the game comment)

    I have one more note: If I am Town, which I claim to be, then mafia tonight may as well shoot Ash and take down most of, if not all, town leadership in one fell swoop. And if its Auwt, he could just power wolf now that someone (being me) is off his back.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drizzt View Post
    I claim citizen.
    With this, Bakermir's claim ought to be interesting. He hinted citizen, but is he really?


  4. #904

    Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    I suppose it's also time for another reads list:
    (If you need a full history of my reads, @Drizzt or @deathworlds , they're at #43, #150, #244, #540, and #623).

    Auwt: This read is more or less connected to Grakylan, and vice versa. Although Ash's point about Grakylan being the only other TPR claim at the moment is valid, so im doubting this slightly, but not enough for me to remove my suspicions. Scum-lean, it used to be null but I feel with the reactions it's become more likely. Especially with the excess citizen claims that don't match the current town state. Scum lean.

    Ash Lael: Just town-locked. If he were ever seriously scum then my head is going to explode. However, i highly --more than anyone else-- doubt he is scum, for reasons stated in my previous reads. He has also always questioned me regardless of my read on him, which has been super helpful.

    Bakermir: I'm town-leaning, I do feel his D1 actions and posting persona matches what he's doing here on D2. Always keeping an open mind, and analyzing everyone. The only scum thing I see from him is SoD1, and that just may have been a play style or personality clash. He even tried to calm down Zedus and talk to him clearly. We used to think Zedus/Bakermir, but when Zedus turned up citizen I feel a lot of the reasons for suspecting Bakermir have disappeared or are weaker because of that.

    Dallarian/Deathworlds: I am curious to see where this goes with Deathworlds. I'm going to null until he posts more content. Though I will admit, Dallarian's activity levels were a bit suspicious before the replacement. Null.

    Grakylan: I'll be honest: If Bakermir claims citizen, i'm going to remove nearly all suspicion on him, as much as I would dislike to do so because then that suggests my tinfoil theory, which is part of the suspicion on Auwt is wrong. Scum-lean.

    Helltanis/Drizzt: I almost want to Town-lean him, given his neat introduction after the replacement. However, im going to null for the same reasons for Dallarian/Deathworlds. I wonder where this will go. Besides, one post shouldn't be enough to justify town, however I did suspect --at times-- that Helltanis on D1 was town.


    Renegade & Zedus: Obviously dead.

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  6. #906

    Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    I suppose it's also time for another reads list:
    (If you need a full history of my reads, @Drizzt or @deathworlds , they're at #43, #150, #244, #540, and #623).

    Auwt: This read is more or less connected to Grakylan, and vice versa. Although Ash's point about Grakylan being the only other TPR claim at the moment is valid, so im doubting this slightly, but not enough for me to remove my suspicions. Scum-lean, it used to be null but I feel with the reactions it's become more likely. Especially with the excess citizen claims that don't match the current town state. Scum lean.

    Ash Lael: Just town-locked. If he were ever seriously scum then my head is going to explode. However, i highly --more than anyone else-- doubt he is scum, for reasons stated in my previous reads. He has also always questioned me regardless of my read on him, which has been super helpful.

    Bakermir: I'm town-leaning, I do feel his D1 actions and posting persona matches what he's doing here on D2. Always keeping an open mind, and analyzing everyone. The only scum thing I see from him is SoD1, and that just may have been a play style or personality clash. He even tried to calm down Zedus and talk to him clearly. We used to think Zedus/Bakermir, but when Zedus turned up citizen I feel a lot of the reasons for suspecting Bakermir have disappeared or are weaker because of that.

    Dallarian/Deathworlds: I am curious to see where this goes with Deathworlds. I'm going to null until he posts more content. Though I will admit, Dallarian's activity levels were a bit suspicious before the replacement. Null.

    Grakylan: I'll be honest: If Bakermir claims citizen, i'm going to remove nearly all suspicion on him, as much as I would dislike to do so because then that suggests my tinfoil theory, which is part of the suspicion on Auwt is wrong. Scum-lean.

    Helltanis/Drizzt: I almost want to Town-lean him, given his neat introduction after the replacement. However, im going to null for the same reasons for Dallarian/Deathworlds. I wonder where this will go. Besides, one post shouldn't be enough to justify town, however I did suspect --at times-- that Helltanis on D1 was town.


    Renegade & Zedus: Obviously dead.
    I dont know why you focus on Grakylan, for now, only Ash and Grakylan are claiming power. Funny fact 2 town power still alive. They are safe.
    1st option- bakermir claim citizen, Grakylan and Ash are 100% townie.
    2nd option - bakermir claim power, then I want explanation since he didnt visit AND didnt counter claimed what Grakylan said.

    If Bakermir claim town power, we know there is 1 scum in Ash/Grakylan/bakermir and another scum in the Citizen claims
    If Bakermir claim Citizen, we know there are 2 scums in the Citizen list since Ash/Grakylan would be the only 2 to claim power.

  7. #907

    Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    I dont know why you focus on Grakylan, for now, only Ash and Grakylan are claiming power. Funny fact 2 town power still alive. They are safe.
    Well in my responses post, I believe, I said that lynching Grakylan would mean Ash's suspicion about the possibility (but it doesn't seem he 100% believe its probable, correct me if I'm wrong @Ash Lael ) of an Auwt/Martin scum team would be impossible. But as both the responses post and my reads list suggests, I will determine whether to town-lean or scum-lean Grakylan depends on what Bakermir claims.

    Also it's entirely possible Bakermir is a non-visiting TPR.....like veteran for example. Or Busdriver, and bussed himself with someone he now knows was citizen. Heck, it would be epic to reveal town mayor/marshall, but i feel if he was then he may have revealed by now if he was. If he is Mayor/Marshall, he might be waiting for EoD2 or EoD3.

  8. #908

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Well in my responses post, I believe, I said that lynching Grakylan would mean Ash's suspicion about the possibility (but it doesn't seem he 100% believe its probable, correct me if I'm wrong @Ash Lael ) of an Auwt/Martin scum team would be impossible. But as both the responses post and my reads list suggests, I will determine whether to town-lean or scum-lean Grakylan depends on what Bakermir claims.

    Also it's entirely possible Bakermir is a non-visiting TPR.....like veteran for example. Or Busdriver, and bussed himself with someone he now knows was citizen. Heck, it would be epic to reveal town mayor/marshall, but i feel if he was then he may have revealed by now if he was. If he is Mayor/Marshall, he might be waiting for EoD2 or EoD3.
    Or Ash was Busdriver, and had bussed Bakermir. But then that wouldn't make sense because Bakermir didn't counter claim his detective findings. Unless Busdriver + Non-visit TPR? But anyways, as I said, Ash is a trusted town to me. I don't think its necessary to know his role.

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  10. #910

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Well in my responses post, I believe, I said that lynching Grakylan would mean Ash's suspicion about the possibility (but it doesn't seem he 100% believe its probable, correct me if I'm wrong @Ash Lael ) of an Auwt/Martin scum team would be impossible. But as both the responses post and my reads list suggests, I will determine whether to town-lean or scum-lean Grakylan depends on what Bakermir claims.

    Also it's entirely possible Bakermir is a non-visiting TPR.....like veteran for example. Or Busdriver, and bussed himself with someone he now knows was citizen. Heck, it would be epic to reveal town mayor/marshall, but i feel if he was then he may have revealed by now if he was. If he is Mayor/Marshall, he might be waiting for EoD2 or EoD3.
    Lets recap all town any.

    Not possible :

    Bodyguard - Move
    Doc - Move
    Escort - Move
    Coroner - Uh.
    Crier - There is none, dont move
    Detective - Move (and also claimed by Grakylan)
    Jailor - Do not move but nobody claimed jailed I believe
    Lookout - Move
    Marshall/Mayor - I wish he revealed earlier.
    Mason - I dont believe SJ would roll a solo Mason, thats... uh.
    Veteran - Wouldnt he have gone on alert? uh.


    Bus Driver - Move. And if so, he could confirm someone ?
    Vigilante - Hum, could be, but i dont feel like it.

    Citizen - I do not know if its possible to roll Citizen from Any Town in this setup :/ might need to ask @SuperJack on this one, idk.

  11. #911

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Citizen - I do not know if its possible to roll Citizen from Any Town in this setup :/ might need to ask @SuperJack on this one, idk.
    Last i chekced, Citizen is possible from Town Any. The chance of it existing from one other possible Town Any is rather low though. One of the stats I calculated was the chance for any Town Any role assuming all 3 town Any's are unkown. There is a 17.6% (1 - (15/16)^3) chance for any one of the Town Any roles to exist at least once from the three town Any's.

  12. #912

    Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Last i chekced, Citizen is possible from Town Any. The chance of it existing from one other possible Town Any is rather low though. One of the stats I calculated was the chance for any Town Any role assuming all 3 town Any's are unkown. There is a 17.6% (1 - (15/16)^3) chance for any one of the Town Any roles to exist at least once from the three town Any's.
    But considering that two of the Town Any's are claimed, the chance of citizen now is really low.

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  14. #914

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Lets recap all town any.

    Not possible :

    Bodyguard - Move
    Doc - Move
    Escort - Move
    Coroner - Uh.
    Crier - There is none, dont move
    Detective - Move (and also claimed by Grakylan)
    Jailor - Do not move but nobody claimed jailed I believe
    Lookout - Move
    Marshall/Mayor - I wish he revealed earlier.
    Mason - I dont believe SJ would roll a solo Mason, thats... uh.
    Veteran - Wouldnt he have gone on alert? uh.


    Bus Driver - Move. And if so, he could confirm someone ?
    Vigilante - Hum, could be, but i dont feel like it.

    Citizen - I do not know if its possible to roll Citizen from Any Town in this setup :/ might need to ask @SuperJack on this one, idk.
    Citizen is a possible role for Any Town.
    Cryptonic made this sig

  15. #915

    Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Last i chekced, Citizen is possible from Town Any. The chance of it existing from one other possible Town Any is rather low though. One of the stats I calculated was the chance for any Town Any role assuming all 3 town Any's are unkown. There is a 17.6% (1 - (15/16)^3) chance for any one of the Town Any roles to exist at least once from the three town Any's.
    Assuming any self respecting host uses strictly RNG to create their carefully crafted setup that they want people to enjoy was your first mistake.
    Also ffs you're only town reading 2 people?
    Who's your top scum read?
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    BRO HUUUUUUMP!! That's so Mesk.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

  16. #916

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    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    Assuming any self respecting host uses strictly RNG to create their carefully crafted setup that they want people to enjoy was your first mistake.
    Also ffs you're only town reading 2 people?
    Who's your top scum read?
    You know for a fact that there's only two scum, you need to narrow down your list.
    Granted drizzt and I literally just replaced in, hopefully that will be accomplished by eod.
    If you aren't lynched that is
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    BRO HUUUUUUMP!! That's so Mesk.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

  17. #917

    Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    I should also note that I just woke up.
    I'm going to do a reread of thread and then make an actual reads list that isn't going to be half-assed and based on whrn I was halfway paying attention to the game
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    BRO HUUUUUUMP!! That's so Mesk.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

  18. #918

    Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    Assuming any self respecting host uses strictly RNG to create their carefully crafted setup that they want people to enjoy was your first mistake.
    Also ffs you're only town reading 2 people?
    Who's your top scum read?
    As I've said, It largely depends on what Bakermir claims. Otherwise, i can't really determine if Grak is scum or town. Otherwise, I can't really say who else is town. If you read my past two reads (other than the one that i just posted), I believe I've stated that I would be least likely to lynch Dallarian (who is replaced by you now). Also, the read that I just posted nearly town-leaned Drizzt.

    Honestly, I believe its possible there would've been more town reads from me right now assuming the replacements didn't happen and everyone could stay active. But I have to hold my town-or-scum thoughts because replacements might disagree with their predecessor's thoughts and strategies.

    And on that point, i think its a bit unfair of you to judge me so harshly for the number of town reads that I have. You just replaced Dallarian, who had recently been rather inactive, and soon before that Drizzt replaced Helltanis. These are recent and notable developments, and neither of them have posted much (well, you're posting right now) for me to feel safe in any judgement i make in them -- whether it be town lean or scum lean.

    Additionally, I have to expect any host uses RNG. Otherwise, why leave it at Town Any? If you're implying that a setup with a Town Any that rolled citizen is unenjoyable, then the host should have thought of that and would've changed the setup or noted such in the post for signups. If the Host would re-roll any citizen roll from a Town Any, then he's doing me and the other noobs here a disservice by making the game not fair as it was represented to be something (which is Citizen from Town ANY is possible) when it was not.

    As for my top scum read, right now its Auwt unless Bakermir claims TPR, in which case I suspect Grakylan much more. Because in a gamestate where only 2 TPR's can live, Grakylan is the most supsicious out of the three that would be claiming to be TPR (Grakylan, Ash Lael, and Bakermir).

  19. #919

    Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    I should also note that I just woke up.
    I'm going to do a reread of thread and then make an actual reads list that isn't going to be half-assed and based on whrn I was halfway paying attention to the game
    Feel free to take your time. We still got about 23 hours left till EoD2, and having a clear mindset about things is the best chance to clarify issues and problems in order to generate (hopefully) a consensus within the town. I don't judge you for voting and pressuring me, as I've been a controversial figured this whole game -- and Ash has often been the one to scrutinize me every time for it.

  20. #920

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Additionally, I have to expect any host uses RNG. Otherwise, why leave it at Town Any? If you're implying that a setup with a Town Any that rolled citizen is unenjoyable, then the host should have thought of that and would've changed the setup or noted such in the post for signups. If the Host would re-roll any citizen roll from a Town Any, then he's doing me and the other noobs here a disservice by making the game not fair as it was represented to be something (which is Citizen from Town ANY is possible) when it was not.
    Here's a little bit of site history for y'all.
    In time immemorial (2016) us in the FM section of the site had someone who had a tissy fit over the semantics over the use of the words "random" or "hidden". First we kinda blew it off, but then came to the ethical conclusion that whenever we use the word "random" in our setups, we explicitly mean random as in RNG. If we use the word "hidden" then that could mean random, but it more often than not meant they were hand picked.
    Town Any could be just that, any town. It doesn't mean we're going to see two doctors in this setup, because we're not.
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    BRO HUUUUUUMP!! That's so Mesk.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

  21. #921

    Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Oops I meant 2015
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    BRO HUUUUUUMP!! That's so Mesk.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

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  23. #923

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    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    Here's a little bit of site history for y'all.
    In time immemorial (2016) us in the FM section of the site had someone who had a tissy fit over the semantics over the use of the words "random" or "hidden". First we kinda blew it off, but then came to the ethical conclusion that whenever we use the word "random" in our setups, we explicitly mean random as in RNG. If we use the word "hidden" then that could mean random, but it more often than not meant they were hand picked.
    Town Any could be just that, any town. It doesn't mean we're going to see two doctors in this setup, because we're not.
    I see. Thanks for the info. I presumed Town Any could've been the FM term for Town Random, since the signups implied that this setup was meant to be familiar to -Mafia- mod players with a heavy citizen role list.

  24. #924

    Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    As for my top scum read, right now its Auwt unless Bakermir claims TPR, in which case I suspect Grakylan much more. Because in a gamestate where only 2 TPR's can live, Grakylan is the most supsicious out of the three that would be claiming to be TPR (Grakylan, Ash Lael, and Bakermir).
    When I see those kind of post, I just don't understand how you would see Ash being townier than Grakylan.
    Ash has been not that active the past hours (doesnt mean much still). But overall, no progress has been made. He hasnt been claiming his power role.
    I will be honest, right now, I do not know if I should be confident of a fully town Ash.

    In the other hand, Grakylan has been "waking up" since D2 and has show good progress, even willing to claim his role, and his target action.
    I know there is a slight possibility that Grakylan is trying to pocket me. I am aware of this.

    I would like you to explain why you would (blindly? idk if its the right word tho) follow Ash more than Grakylan.

    They both voted up Zedus last day, and personnaly I didnt like how Ash just then instantly led the train when I was mentionning a vote on bakermir.

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    For now I will hold to my oldest read.
    Since I'm waiting for Zedus to possibly make a claim EOD1/SOD2,
    And Helltanis/Grakylan seem to be either citizen or hiding behind null reads (alongside with bakermir)

    -vote bakermir
    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    Wait, WTF?

    Two posts ago you said it was between Zedus and Grakylan and now you post this?

    How did you suddenly drop your top two scum reads for a third option with none of them posting anything new in that time?
    Then this happend

    Quote Originally Posted by Dallarian View Post
    @Ash Lael
    That's consistent of Auwt to vote on bakermir.
    And this ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    I don't think he was necessarily being inconsistent here. He was asking my opinion on bakemir a few pages ago, suggesting bakermir is indeed on his radar.
    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post

    My pool of lynch candidates at the moment are

    Hellantris, Grak, and Zedus, and am willing to consider Bakermir.
    And this...

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    I would have to second this. As much as I might be okay with lynching bakermir. I just cant feel confident (with my possible bias) in lynching him unless there's good reasons to do so.
    And then Ash has to explain himself

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    For the record, bakermir is and remains my strongest town read and [COLOR="#FFA500"]he has been ever since like page 2[/COLOR]. I’m comfortable with the idea of Renegade/Dallarian/Auwt being town but I’m confident in bakermir. There’s no hidden agenda with this guy. He’s out to catch scum.

    Yeah he’s been a bit tunelly on Martin, but townies tunnel! If anything that’s more Town indicative than otherwise.
    Idk why he is defending bakermir that hard tho, reading someone as a town is fine, but this is another level. It's almost like he's trying to appologize for bakermir actions on D1. And btw how the hell could you townread bakermir action since page 2... I do not see anything town sided from him...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    This is also fair. I have no objection to the guy being interrogated - I could be wrong about him, after all. But lynching him today just seems like a losing play to me.
    At least it could be true if Ash is teamed up with Bakermir.

    During all of these quotes you tried to bring attention out of bakermir, because of your town read on him.
    Ash, you seem to be a really good player, but I dont understand at all why you would townread bakermir.

  25. #925

    Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Grakylan View Post
    How are you so certain about that?
    Way I see it, if you and Ash are the last two TPR's, it doesn't matter if 2 doctors was possible from the start because you claimed detective. If ash is doctor, then he'll just get shot tonight. Or at least i gifugre he might be the most likely kill target tonight. Im just too controversial to be killed, imo, because they can just kill Ash and then on D3 they'll try to argue for my lynching.

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  27. #927

    Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Grakylan View Post
    How are you so certain about that?
    Because that's how mafia works.

    Memes aside, because two doctors would be pretty busted in this setup if town also had a detective (assuming the earlier tpr claims were accurate, which I'm inclined to believe until further info presents itself).
    Most setups are based off of the balancing of what is considered to be probably the most balanced game on the site, ever.
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    BRO HUUUUUUMP!! That's so Mesk.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

  28. #928

    Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Way I see it, if you and Ash are the last two TPR's, it doesn't matter if 2 doctors was possible from the start because you claimed detective. If ash is doctor, then he'll just get shot tonight. Or at least i gifugre he might be the most likely kill target tonight. Im just too controversial to be killed, imo, because they can just kill Ash and then on D3 they'll try to argue for my lynching.
    My heart says Martin is town but my head remembers how he was nice to me so quickly after I accused him- I quickly claimed I did it to see who jumped on the accusation. He could have just been genuinely welcoming to me, or he could have been playing on my newb tendency to find someone nice to follow. So he is at a .5 sus.

    DW, IDK. Some has been said, but i'll need to go back and see who he replaced and make a judgement then. He's right now my prime suspect.

  29. #929

    Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    When I see those kind of post, I just don't understand how you would see Ash being townier than Grakylan.
    Ash has been not that active the past hours (doesnt mean much still). But overall, no progress has been made. He hasnt been claiming his power role.
    I will be honest, right now, I do not know if I should be confident of a fully town Ash.

    In the other hand, Grakylan has been "waking up" since D2 and has show good progress, even willing to claim his role, and his target action.
    I know there is a slight possibility that Grakylan is trying to pocket me. I am aware of this.

    I would like you to explain why you would (blindly? idk if its the right word tho) follow Ash more than Grakylan.

    They both voted up Zedus last day, and personnaly I didnt like how Ash just then instantly led the train when I was mentionning a vote on bakermir.





    Then this happend



    And this ?





    And this...



    And then Ash has to explain himself



    Idk why he is defending bakermir that hard tho, reading someone as a town is fine, but this is another level. It's almost like he's trying to appologize for bakermir actions on D1. And btw how the hell could you townread bakermir action since page 2... I do not see anything town sided from him...



    At least it could be true if Ash is teamed up with Bakermir.

    During all of these quotes you tried to bring attention out of bakermir, because of your town read on him.
    Ash, you seem to be a really good player, but I dont understand at all why you would townread bakermir.
    I can't really reveal when I would start suspecting ash, but please do know that what would make me suspect Ash is not related to what Ash does at all. And no, I'm not ever going to elaborate on that. To me, it would be very unlikely for whatever would make me suspect Ash to occur (unless I had stated it, in which case it would be very easy to manipulate it into occurring). Otherwise, i think he has been showing all the traits of a townie since day 1. He questions many people, he keeps a hold of his thoughts and feelings (while being flexible enough for new ones), and much more.

    Also, comparing to grakylan, Bakermir's activities have stayed relatively the same style when comparing day 1 and 2. Ash denoted that all the sudden Grakylan seems to up his game when D2 hits, as compared to D1.

    Besides, its easier to create cherry picked arguments against someone when they have 157 posts. For example, you don't include this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    Yeah I’m aware that he’s been dissing bakemir for a while. That’s not my issue. My issue is that he had seemingly progressed from that and had explicitly been weighing up two other players. Then bam, that gets discarded for no clear reason.

    As town it’s fine to change your mind. We all get stuff wrong, hopefully we all reassess. But it’s important to explain your thought processes.
    And he's absolutely right. With so few posts in between your accusation, and this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    As to myself I see 2 scum team comp possible at the moment.

    First one is Zedus/bakermir,
    I'm pretty sure at least one of them is on the dark side. They both tunneled very hard on Martin, and as Zedus said, he is ready to see Martin be lynched even though he might be a townie. He has his own reason, we probably wont make him change his mind (although I dont like this mindset). Bakermir on the other hand blindly followed Ash's early vote on Martin without saying much reasons, could be seen as an attempt to get a train starting.

    The second one is Dallarian/Martin, as I said Dallarian like using non town inclusive pronouns and speech and tried his best to get Martin in a safer spot. Martin could be seen as a misleading townie as Zedus pointed out some post above in that case.

    I will try to look more into those possibilites.
    Making those kind of post could significantly help us in the next days, everyone should consider trying to make a bind between someone you voted and their possible ally.
    Its fairly easy for townies to not see the entirety of your thought process. Not to mention, you've only made one reads list at #150, so its sometimes hard to guess your current reads at any time.

  30. #930

    Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Its fairly easy for townies to not see the entirety of your thought process. Not to mention, you've only made one reads list at #150, so its sometimes hard to guess your current reads at any time.
    Especially since you suggested a Zedus/Bakermir is a scum team composition, not one of them being a lone-wolf scum.

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  33. #933

  34. #934

    Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    And I’ve been inactive for a while because it is now 9am here and my last post was at something like 2:30am and I do occasionally sleep.
    Damn we really do be international this game.


    I'm still reading thread, and I'm picking out posts that I like/don't like
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    BRO HUUUUUUMP!! That's so Mesk.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

  35. #935

    Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    fucking quoter broke fml
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    BRO HUUUUUUMP!! That's so Mesk.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

  36. #936

    Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    Holy shit Auwt, stop trying to push me into revealing my role.

    Is it inconceivable to you that there may be situations for town where it’s better if the scum don’t know what they’re dealing with?

    Or is that the exact reason you’re pushing for it?
    Tension Tension Tension. Have you claimed town yet? I agree he's pushing you, but this isn't D1, and we have too many town claims I believe. Still, his hyperfocus on you is noted.

  37. #937

    Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Fucking hell, well I'm too lazy to pick things back up from before #246, which was

    Quote Originally Posted by Dallarian View Post
    Good night.
    I have no idea what I will be doing today (26 June) all the day. I may be active just as yesterday, or will be unable to contribute in significant way. I hope you will find something to agree on.

    I will leave you with one question.
    Is it worth using invest roles on Zedus and Martin?
    Is this where y'all thought Dall was softin' invest? Lmao, he was just tryin' ask if they were worth keeping alive for invests to check them, which our one invest claim didn't do
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    BRO HUUUUUUMP!! That's so Mesk.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

  38. #938

    Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    As for why I town read Bakemir - it’s about mindset. Everything he posts, to me, feels like it comes from a mindset of wanting to hunt and wanting to solve.

    I could iso him to show examples and why I think that, but he’s now a greenchecked citizen by an uncounterclaimed detective. So if you’re arguing he’s scum you’re basically mechanically proven wrong.

    If he were to claim power role all of a sudden and I had to choose between him and Grak I’d do the due diligence and test out if I’d misread the guy, but right now recent developments are telling me my read was right and your read - or pretend read - is wrong.

  39. #939

    Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Drizzt View Post
    Have you claimed town yet? I agree he's pushing you, but this isn't D1, and we have too many town claims I believe. Still, his hyperfocus on you is noted.
    oh what's the alternative? he claims scum? lmao
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    BRO HUUUUUUMP!! That's so Mesk.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

  40. #940

    Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    ugh I just got back and started preparing a wall post then boom, power outage.

    I guess this is one of those games a laptop would be much better to have than a desktop PC.


    Also, I am ALL IN for lynching citizens today and even tomorrow as the things stand. I am not going to confirm Grakylan fully but I am most probably not gonna vote him simply because he is TPR and he was reasonable with his latest posts.


    I have one more suggestion; maybe we can lynch Dallarian slot because I am getting the feeling that new player claiming citizen without reads is hella sus to me. Do we really have the time for him?


    I will do my best to respond everything in my upcoming posts.

  41. #941

    Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Grak, you mind doing me a huge favor and explaining why exact you targeted bake?
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    BRO HUUUUUUMP!! That's so Mesk.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

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  43. #943

    Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    Fucking hell, well I'm too lazy to pick things back up from before #246, which was



    Is this where y'all thought Dall was softin' invest? Lmao, he was just tryin' ask if they were worth keeping alive for invests to check them, which our one invest claim didn't do
    I didn't think, others did. In fact, i think someone else earlier than that asked the exact same question and nobody said they were softin invest. So i mostly ignored it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Drizzt View Post
    Tension Tension Tension. Have you claimed town yet? I agree he's pushing you, but this isn't D1, and we have too many town claims I believe. Still, his hyperfocus on you is noted.
    I think regardless what Ash claimed, as long as it was town, I would believe him based on my read lists and their reasons :/. I just have him 99% town locked, and im 99% sure its going to stay that way for the rest of the FM game.

  44. #944

  45. #945

    Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    I have one more suggestion; maybe we can lynch Dallarian slot because I am getting the feeling that new player claiming citizen without reads is hella sus to me. Do we really have the time for him?
    I hate the fact that you're probably town and that we're stuck with you
    Quote Originally Posted by MattZed View Post
    deathworld's and RLVG's suicides made me lul. I take a lot of pleasure in knowing that I gave you an night action, and that you used it to kill yourself.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    At least Mesk has lewdy lefty and raunchy righty. You're not even Canadian.
    Quote Originally Posted by Unknown1234 View Post
    BRO HUUUUUUMP!! That's so Mesk.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    fucketh me in the ass

  46. #946

    Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Drizzt View Post
    Tension Tension Tension. Have you claimed town yet? I agree he's pushing you, but this isn't D1, and we have too many town claims I believe. Still, his hyperfocus on you is noted.
    Wow, read the damn thread.

    I and Grak have outed ourselves as power roles and everyone has had a chance to counterclaim and no one has done so. At this point, we are both mechanically locked town. Which is freaking me out a bit to be honest, I really was thinking Grak was scum from his reactions to my outing.

  47. #947

    Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Drizzt View Post
    Tension Tension Tension. Have you claimed town yet? I agree he's pushing you, but this isn't D1, and we have too many town claims I believe. Still, his hyperfocus on you is noted.
    Hmm Auwt done the same on day one for me.

    He didn't even take my apology for early game and kept goin on how scummy I am and Zedus for artificial reasons.

    ON Day Two Auwt seemed to change his campaign towards Ash/Bakermir and a bit of push on Martin.


    I still want to believe Auwt is a townie because he is playing way different than his previous 2 FM games where has a scum. However, this could also be an improvement to his scum play.

  48. #948

    Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    Holy shit Auwt, stop trying to push me into revealing my role.

    Is it inconceivable to you that there may be situations for town where it’s better if the scum don’t know what they’re dealing with?

    Or is that the exact reason you’re pushing for it?
    Im just seeing someone claiming the easy role of Town Power, to get out of the Citizen block.
    As long you do not claim your thing, you are still a potential scum.

    Power can be scum or town, Citizen can only be town. There is a big difference between those kind of claims.
    As we are trying to clear the Citizen side from an obvious scum, I do not consider claiming your power role is anti-town.

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  50. #950

    Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    ugh I just got back and started preparing a wall post then boom, power outage.

    I guess this is one of those games a laptop would be much better to have than a desktop PC.

    Also, I am ALL IN for lynching citizens today and even tomorrow as the things stand. I am not going to confirm Grakylan fully but I am most probably not gonna vote him simply because he is TPR and he was reasonable with his latest posts.

    I have one more suggestion; maybe we can lynch Dallarian slot because I am getting the feeling that new player claiming citizen without reads is hella sus to me. Do we really have the time for him?
    This heavily implies he claims citizen. So I believe Grakylan is 100% Town, along with ash as they're the last two TPR's. If he was TPR who wasn't going against Grakylan, and softing citizen, then he would be pushing Ash right now because of the max 2 town PR circumstances. So Bakermir is citizen. Unless one of us citizens is a Town Any citizen, then we got two scum claiming citizen.

    This also means Ash is 100% town too, so Auwt's push on him is completely senseless.

 

 

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