Woops, typo. Meant @Drizzt .
IIRC, we can afford 1 more mislynch before Lylo. Or we can skip a lynch, let mafia kill someone, and gain information that way. In which case, I think it may heavily rely on what Ash does on N2, because I predict with my list put out there they'll kill him.
I actually might favor no lynch here. If we don't lynch, mafia kills someone (assuming they don't like the status quo), then we'll be at Mylo. We can still skip 1 more time then, but if we lynch instead then it must be a correct lynch. Otherwise, we can skip 1 more time, with 1 more mafia kill, and then it'll be Lylo.
For me right now, death information might be what saves us.
Is self-voting possible and/or allowed?
If I lynch myself, then we gain information that eliminates 4 possible scum combos.
If Auwt is lynched, 2 combos are eliminated.
If Bakermir is lynched, 2 combos are eliminated.
If Dallarian/Deathworlds is lynched, 3 combos are eliminated.
If Helltanis/Drizzt is lynched, 4 combos are eliminated.
The wall post got 10 pages higher.
The fact that Martin is ready to sacrifice himself to help town reach a consensus makes me think hes town. But he may also be a scum trying to stand 6 feet apart from Auwt as part of Social Distancing and allow him to lay low.
If yall still have any concerns about my sudden energy burst in SoD2, mentor didn't say all that much besides the very basics. I mainly was revigorated by the death of two townies and an unusually long period of freetime.
On another note...
Also we gotta think for a second, why would Dallarian suddenly leave the game after hours where we were basically coming to a consensus to lynch Dallarian? Helltanis was one thing, but Dallarian was way more active d1 then d2, so his excuse of not being able to keep up with many things seems disingenous. Especially considering I was having trouble keeping up at first but decided to stay in the game. But that also could be because I'm a town power. Even a citizen has his civic duty to vote scum out, so if a citizen leaves, not in the beginning, but in the MIDDLE of the game after a consensus against him was forming, what could that say? Could he be scum?
And that's not to mention that deathworlds did not have such a good introduction, and is starting to give off toxic vibes.
Could be another Zedus situation, but at this point I say we take the chance, if we are to lynch anyone.
https://imgur.com/a/NqMwElZ fuck it heres all the sc2mafia pics i would have put in the sig
An alternative to the lynch is to do no lynch, but mafia are most assuredly to kill Ash in order to limit the information given upon death. If they do anyone else, town could get a lot of information. The only alternative to the mafia kill might be Bakermir if Grakylan is a clandestine scum who ballsy claimed Detective, risking any counter claim, and with Bakermir dead he might try to get town cred from that death, saying "hey, i said this guy was town!".
This is your chance to prove you are town.
What do you see from this post? Please re-read it after you are done finishing reading every post.
Everyone @Auwt @Renegade @Dallarian @MartinGG99 @Helltanis @Zedus @Grakylan @Ash Lael @bakermir @deathworlds @Drizzt
My early aggression was just to scale heat for all and going a bit off limits due to not knowing FM trial/lynch mechanics which I apologized for.
What I see is; Auwt noticing the connection me and Ash had entire game. Including Renegade to this duo we were the first town group here. Auwt had a totally accurate guess on Renegade's role, gameplay, he had a perfect guess on Martin being a 100% town citizen. Why is he now bringing up his dialogue with Renegade on day 1 about lynching me? He appears pushy against Renegade. This is a clear indication Auwt and Renegade are on opposite teams at this point. Renegade further gave himself away by including me to his lynch list. #154 was a very well constructed post but I still don't understand why other townies took it for granted. Well, except for Ash.
I had no reason to trust anyone.
Here are my latest reads:
Spoiler : SPOILER :Wouldn't you like to know?
Ash, I am sorry for doing this but yeah it needs to be done. One of us is dead tonight. But no stress, I had fun so far.
Ash proves he was genuine with his early game and the stream link he sent. I really liked that you shared this. I have listened to it fully and at one point I created a clip from a specific part.
Anyway, he did many other town contributions entire game. Vote on Zedus was right thing to do for him. Worst would be losing a TPR that would be target of mafia anyway. So it did seem like an ok lynch. Outcome was citizen and his reaction was the right one. He kinda distanced himself from everyone else on Day Two.
He is still town for me and a good one.
Forget about everything he have said or done. His night lead is all that is important. His lead is almost correct. I did not visit anyone.
He would be in town lock but there is a chance his lead might be fake claim and this is the only reason why I am not revealing my exact role. I want mafia to find it out
I believe Grakylan played very well entire game as a power role from a town perspective. He is for sure a power role but not sure if he is detective or not.
I will also not forget that he have been a bandwagon early on like some others here so I will never trust him fully.
Town Lean but not really:
His gameplay is pretty consistent with Helltanis. Still needs to provide us more. Maybe ISO on somebody he has been disliking or being linked to? See, Grakylan did one.
Scum Lean but not really:
He is still reading every post out there. Is this a strategy to bandwagon before EOD2? I assumed he would be following the game closely because that's what my mentor is doing. There are observers too. I will still give him time because he volunteered for this. He is still scum lean but not really.
He seems to be one of the first citizen claims. He tried his best to make sure nobody town locks him. What kind of a strategy was that? I never understood his logic and made him as suspicious as Zedus in my eyes.
Slack vote + last minute vote on Zedus, tried to be reasonable at parts but I still have no reason to trust him. He presented himself as town on post #77 and then fully contradicted his words with his actions later on. He was quite unresponsive or not present at key discussion moments when the ACTUAL TOWNIES were trying their best to interact and hunt for evils. This happened both in NA and EU time frames. With all the power indicative posts he made, we all eventually believed he is TPR. Now deathworlds claim citizen as I expected and there is something really fishy going on here.
His early posts were about how this is his first game and him talking about mafia odds, power roles were quite suspicious. Is he a bigger nerd than me?
I assumed he could be but I still went for that sweet push on him because we needed something to happen, not nitpicking on roles, Mr. Shittizen. For real man, I didn't even take a look at other cards and settings up until that point. I recently read them all. I still love the game as much as you do. I don't understand why would you discuss things most of us new players wouldn't even be thinking about at the start of game. You are a citizen? I find it hard to bite. You might aswell be Godfather for all I know. Auwt confirming you for 100% citizen on #154. I will never understand this from town view.
He had some posts earlier in Day One where he stated that he is looking for a support from EU time players.
I was ready to see the game through his perspective, include him in the defacto town. Giving him freedom provided us nothing. He is still being a bandwagon and not really pushing for anyone. I haven't seen any consistency in his gameplay and I find it funny that he took my mayor/marshall bait seriously.
I had moments where I believed he is a citizen. He still might be one but no invest leads
Sorry Martin, I hope you understand my point of view. YOu have some sort of a link to all players I suspect.
For a long time, I believed one of the #77 or #154 sounded like buddying. As the time passed both Dallarian and Auwt didn't prove to me they are willing to lynch Martin. Auwt especially never been aggressive versus him.
If I were to lynch anyone, it would most probably be Auwt.
His gameplay is consistent with a citizen. However, his accuracy on guessing roles is quite scary. From reading his posts, all I can see is manipulation. Especially take a look at his post #154 and anything after during Day One. Him chatting with Renegade about me, lobbying for support? He is guessing Renegade is TPR previously.
In his past 2 FM games he was a scum. For a long time, I believed the chances of him getting scum on third game was low. What if he improved his scum game? What if he is just doing so well in a beginner game?
He refused my apology on Day One and continued his push on me. He knows this is a beginner game. But he forgets that I've played the sc2 mod 10 years ago and past one year. I am the guy in mod that plays with log screen open most of the time, not just open that log when a fail evil xships
On Day Two he still wants me to confirm I am shittizen. It almost feels like Auwt and Martin can't be sure if I am really citizen or tpr ready to end the game for them on Night 2.
They are afraid of me. Auwt seen this early on and wanted me out. I can go on about this a lot more but I am fuckin tired of typing all the scum read I get from this guy.
I don't know who we should lynch today. I will leave that to majority here. By logic, lynching a citizen is a better outcome than lynching a TPR EOD2 as we agreed on today. Perhaps, we should lynch one of the citizens for sure and for me in this order of scum to null; Auwt, Martin, Deathworlds, Drizzt.
Well then, based on Info Lynching theory, its Martin, Deathworlds, or Drizzt. However, if I want to go back to my tinfoil theory, its Auwt. Assuming we lynch today.
I normally head to bed around this time, but I'll stay up for a few hours longer for @Deathworld;'s sake.
Seems nobody is here then. I'll go. Cya all tomorrow then.
The Case Against Auwt and Helltanis/Drizzt
Iím going to keep this relatively short and simple. We all know the broader context on Auwt. Heís been openly power role hunting, heís been trying to pressure me into revealing my role to prove myself at a time when I expected to be facing a counterclaim (but the scum knew otherwise), heís mainly been tunnelling two now mechanically confirmed townies, etc, etc.
But hereís the smoking gun. Hereís his explanation of why Renegade was nightkilled, after Martin blamed him for it:
I pushed him on this, demanding to know why he left himself off the list of possible kills. He ignored my repeated demands for an explanation and departed the thread. Some time later after he had time to think he came back with an explanation:
Also, the rest of it is also an obvious lie. The reason heís not on the list is because the list is a list of people voting for Zedus. He didnít omit himself from it because he considered himself a strong town voice, just as he didnít omit Helltanis for being a strong town voice. They are not on it because they didnít vote for Zedus.
So why would he think that only people who voted Zedus were potential targets? Well, thereís absolutely no potential logical connection, except one. That the people on it were all town and the people off it were all scum.
And what is Auwt doing now? Well right now he's busy defending Drizzt:
Hilariously, this means I have now moved to be townreading Martin once again.
Oh, and Drizzt is busy pushing DW, so his own behaviour is consistent with being a team with Auwt.
The only explanation I could find is this:
As for whether Helltanis/Drizzt is aligned with him, I'm not entirely sure. But i do feel its plausible given that Auwt gave both Grakylan and Helltanis (after my ISO's), who were rather similar in terms of the town's reads, the "citizen" status. He might've been trying to get Bakermir in order to divert attention away.
Either way, we still can afford 1 more mislynch if we're wrong.
But if we're right about Auwt being scum, we can afford another mislynch.
When 1 townie and 1 Mafia die at EoD and Night, the control of majority stays relatively the same. 7 players right now, 5 players after n2. Assuming Auwt is scum, that means 4 townies and 1 mafia at D3. We can mislynch, meaning 2 townies die at EoD and Night. Then its Lylo, and we have to correctly guess the last scum, because if they dont the 1 mafia kills again, leaving it at 1v1 or (if there is mislynch) 1 v 0.
Also, since i pointed out that Auwt's been indirect power hunting by labelling citizens, even if he's town, that's anti-town stuff. Deathworlds said Zedus lynch justified, because he was acting anti-town, and honestly I wonder if he would vote to lynch Auwt.