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  1. ISO #151

    Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    If you could do anything what would you do?
    Considering that "anything" can include an incalculable amount of actions, I'm not sure what I'd do. I would need context or a general reference to something.

  2. ISO #152

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dallarian View Post
    I wanted to post some more content in a few minutes, but Some Game Studio stream has just began, so please excuse me for few hours.
    I get that, I've been watching the SC2 Dreamhack Summer Masters online tournament that started this week and will go on for a few weeks.

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  4. ISO #154

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    So here is my thought on everyone way of talking / votes / alignment / role / cooperation
    Keep in mind, those are only mine, and might not be the absolute truth.

    Martin : A LOT OF POST, some of them interesting, and some are just math stats. Being bussed, lead early discussion, I feel a bit of panic tho, but not a scum one, I feel he is a Citizen (medium town read)

    Quote Originally Posted by Grakylan View Post
    Is he trying to gain our sympathy? Why would he need to do that if he was a power role and could just prove himself eventually?
    Maybe because Martin just cant.


    Ash Lael : Good amount of post, very complete from what I've seen. Ash was part of the vote train on Martin, the reason was kinda strange for me tho,even if I understand Ash pushed Martin cause of Martin's post asking for prefer role. Then unvoted on Dallarian's demand. Slight town read, I have no idea of your role.

    Grakylan : Not many post, a messy entry, into randomly voting me then unvote. I feel like Grakylan is just powerless right now.
    Slight Citizen read for me.

    Helltanis : Currently Unreadable for some reason.

    Dallarian : Obviously a rebel, and a scum wtf. Jokes apart, Dallarian is softly defending Martin, but there hasnt been much interactions between them, his posts were decent, but I find some of Dallarian speech a bit weird, here are my worries

    Quote Originally Posted by Dallarian View Post
    I am not as evil as someone, to keep my vote on them for all the day.
    -unvote
    Trying to look less evil with this post? I find that strange. And also apparently doesnt want to be stuck into "small things"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dallarian View Post
    Such small things can confuse our new players, everyone please avoid that.
    But overall Dallarian has also been leading the discussion quite well. Null read. I do not know the role tho but I dont think he is Citizen at all, he knows he can bring something.

    Renegade : Not much post to work with, only reacted to others earlier. Very slight scum read. Expected a bit more post still.

    bakermir : I didnt like much the way he attacked Martin. Bakermir followed Ash blindly and early on the Martin's vote without saying anything just after Ash brought his thought. Medium/Heavy scumread.
    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    -vote MartinGG99
    Zedus : Second post directly attacking Martin (first post was : "Well I'm here"). And I dont believe math/stats are really favoring Martin as a scum more than a desesperate townie with the most vote on him. Medium/Heavy scumread as well.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    MartinGG99 said a lot of "stats" to make town lynch someone. But all his arguments make no sense, although they look impressive to someone. There is only one weighty argument - the result of a d1 random lynch with a 77% chance will be the death of one of the townies. So there is NO REASON for townies be lynch-happy d1. That's why MartinGG99 is most likely evil. And he just want to kill one townie before n1 to make mafia win easier.

    -vote MartinGG99

    To conclude :

    Just wanted to point out some facts that are aimed for EVERYONE :

    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    Okay I will be away for a while so this is my reads so far;

    2. Renegade
    Seems to be okay so far. Noticed the oddity with Martin but didn't vote him up. Need more from him. null

    6. Zedus
    Pointed out another sketchy detail about Martin. He is good in my eyes for now. town read.
    Fact 1 ) Renegade and Zedus are both in my scumlist as well as bakermir atm.
    We should really watch for them.

    Fact 2 ) Please if you leave someone as "null", explain a bit more because this could be likely seen as a scum friend hiding.

    Fact 3 ) I saw some of you are scared of someone hammering. Be sure that if someone do so, this person will have to explain and have A/SEVERAL GOOD REASON(S)

    Fact 4 ) Lets talk about those math/stat thingies : I heard some of you say "Yeah, there are 77% that a town get lynched..." and so on...
    Thats why we are here, to decrease this 77%. By looking for clue in everyones speeches.
    So please remember that its good for everyone to know this but focus more on the game than those math thing.

    And considering the early Martin's question toward each of us (asking for our best role), this doesnt mean anything from me except starting the discussion.
    In the past newbie game held on this forum,and generally, people asking early questions tends to end up being townie at the end. I can link you if needed, just ask me.

    Fact 5 ) I didnt believe we would be close to page 10 before mid-day 1 (ingame) wow. Congrats.

    Anyway I'm done for the moment. Here were my thoughts.

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  6. ISO #156

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Auwt, you are hard defending Marino, but say Grak leans citizen to you yet Grak jumped in voted marino and jumped out.

    Something doesn't add up to me here.
    I am hard defending Martin because he doesnt look scum to me at all, the scum attack on him wasnt properly organised, some vote were thrown like : why not lol?

    I know that the early Grakylan's posts werent that convincing, but please try to be at Grakylan's place.
    What would a Citizen that is not used to play Citzen do in -Mafia- ?

    This Citizen would just random and pray, since they feeling they cant do anything at night.

    Thats why I do not seriously take Grakylan's vote on me and Martin.

  7. ISO #157

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    I am careful with naming people I can trust and I have habit from modded mafia of trusting only people who are supported by lws, so I find it difficult to townread anyone. I am not even sure if I get the idea correctly. Most of below are more opinion than actual read.

    1. Auwut is a strong player I need more information him. If he is tOwOn he will try to lead a bit more in the future, unless he protects himself. I need to see where it goes first.

    2.
    Renegate sees and observes and asks right questions. Is likely to be Townie.

    3. bakermir doesn’t have my trust. He’s clever and he want to see Martin dead as soon as possible, what openly opposes my opinion and is suspicious for me. He can quickly become town leader and lead us to victory after Martins turns out to be scum, but can be also clever scum trying to focus attention far from mafia. Calls lynch “trial”, to confuse modded players and let them think that their vote doesn’t kill? I have no opinion on his aligment yet, both his town and mafia players sometimes look scummy.

    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    4. @MartinGG99
    I am also heavily disturbed by the fact that we have 2 mafias alive and Martin is being slow voted.
    biggest scum read here. i believe he needs to be trialed today as soon as possible.
    4. It was hard for me to see what you all have against Martin, but then I found out that he asked his question very early, as If he was afraid we will begin some different topic. It wasn’t reaction to low activity or warmup for everyone.
    This convinced me his behaviour was suspicious. I wonder how much “being inexperienced” plays role here. Still need to read a bit more.

    5. It’s too early for my opinion about Helltanis. It would be easier to make read about SJ...

    6. Zedus easily follows train on Martin, manipulated Martin’s post to suggest that Martin want to random lynch and then tries to lynch Martin for that reason. Looks like he tried to look for any reason to lynch Martin. Looks like Mafia member.
    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    MartinGG99there is NO REASON for townies be lynch-happy d1.
    -vote MartinGG99
    7. I can judge Grakylan only for his 3 posts. Easily accusses a lot of people. His behaviour turns on alarms in my head. I wonder if he will do anything before lynch. I am unsure who looks more scummy, Zedus or Grakylan.

    8. Ash Lael just like Renegate, a bit more active. Doesn’t rush and asks questions that should be asked. Seems to be Town.

  8. ISO #158

    Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    The more I read this, the more I understand how serious the logic problems are for half of the players ...

    In the case MartinGG99 will not be lynched (he still can be very dumb town, not evil, so lynching him is some risk), I ask investigating roles to keep eye on him and his defenders. His "math" is total anti-town bullshit. Maybe he just have some problems with counting, maybe. But I prefer to think that this is an attempt to confuse everyone. Random lynching d1 is WORST thing town can do. That's why d1 lynch impossbile in most mafia games, IRL or Arcade. Well, at least, lycnhing Martin will not be random.

    Btw, if one of mafs will be jailed/roleblocked, they cannot kill? How does it works here?

  9. ISO #159

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Scum Lean

    Zedus: Provided, he hasn't posted much. But with his posts all he has done is socialize a tiny bit with no content, and just vote me with only 2 posts explaining why. Also, as I see it, he was implying that a no-lynch was better than any lynch at all. But I could be wrong given that he voted me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Zedus : Second post directly attacking Martin (first post was : "Well I'm here"). And I dont believe math/stats are really favoring Martin as a scum more than a desesperate townie with the most vote on him. Medium/Heavy scumread as well.
    Quote Originally Posted by Dallarian View Post
    6. Zedus easily follows train on Martin, manipulated Martin’s post to suggest that Martin want to random lynch and then tries to lynch Martin for that reason. Looks like he tried to look for any reason to lynch Martin. Looks like Mafia member
    Alright, so it isn't just me who suspects Zedus.

  10. ISO #160

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    The more I read this, the more I understand how serious the logic problems are for half of the players ...

    In the case MartinGG99 will not be lynched (he still can be very dumb town, not evil, so lynching him is some risk), I ask investigating roles to keep eye on him and his defenders. His "math" is total anti-town bullshit. Maybe he just have some problems with counting, maybe. But I prefer to think that this is an attempt to confuse everyone. Random lynching d1 is WORST thing town can do. That's why d1 lynch impossbile in most mafia games, IRL or Arcade. Well, at least, lycnhing Martin will not be random.

    Btw, if one of mafs will be jailed/roleblocked, they cannot kill? How does it works here?
    You were and still are part of the train, just saying.
    I totally agree, but looks more like a lost Citizen than a scum trying to fool the game discussion
    I do not agree on this. We should lynch someone, at least one of them that look scummier to most of us.
    Its indeed impossible because in most mafia games, there are no citizen, and the day phase doesnt last 2 IRL day, I assume with 2 irl days, we are ready to make an opinion on each of us. That cannot be done in the usual 20 seconds D1 on the mod.


    Explain please. You seem to have pretty good reason(s).

  11. ISO #161

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    Random lynching d1 is WORST thing town can do. That's why d1 lynch impossbile in most mafia games, IRL or Arcade. Well, at least, lycnhing Martin will not be random.[/I]
    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    As part of a habit due to a feature from Starcraft II's mod -Mafia-, I took note of certain role chances and etc. Here's some of them.

    KEEP IN MIND THAT MOST OF THESE ARE VERY IN-GENERAL AND NOT CASE SPECIFIC

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    Mafia has a 42% (3/7) chance of killing a town power role this night, and another 42% (3/7) chance of having the non-killing role
    target a TPR (assuming all Town Any aren't Citizen).

    Town power roles with targetable abilities each only have a 25% (2/ chance of targeting a mafia tonight.
    Collectively, that means a 57.8% (1-(6/^3) chance that at least one of the TPRs will target a mafia this night.

    Doctor/Bodyguard has 12.5% (1/ chance of healing/guarding the mafia kill target, assuming the Doc/BG isn't the mafia kill target.

    Detective has a 12.5% (1/ chance of tracking the mafia who goes to kill.

    Jailor has a 25% (2/ chance of jailing a mafia, but keep in mind the other mafia can just kill for them.

    Mason/Crier can't target anything, and considering Mason cannot convert, Mason is worth less than crier unless double roll.

    Escort has a 25% (2/ of hitting mafia, but also has 25% (2/ to hit a TPR, and 12.5% (1/ within the first 25% to hit the killer.

    Assuming Veteran is visited while on Alert, there is a 50% (2/4) chance that they are mafia. Lookouts aren't immune to veteran.

    Obviously, Cororner, Mayor, and Marshall can't target mafia but they have their obvious uses in their abilities.

    We can skip lynching people, but based on the information above, I suggest we don't. In which case, I hope we can come to a
    consensus
    by the end of this day phase on who to lynch.

    I never suggested that we random lynch. Only that we lynch. There's a very distinct difference in lynching and random lynching. The only thing making this a non-random lynch, as you've proposed it, is the fact that you disagreed with lynching because you felt it was more likely to get a town, and that you believe im scummy.

  12. ISO #162

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dallarian View Post
    Zedus easily follows train on Martin,
    Train? You mad?

    Quote Originally Posted by Dallarian View Post
    manipulated Martin’s post to suggest that Martin want to random lynch
    Manipulated? He definitely said just that. He wants to d1 random lynch, and made fake (or just stupid) explanation why this will be good for town. But this will be good only for evils. Once more, maybe he is not evil, maybe he is just stupid a bit, and realy don't understand math. But the next reason why I am convinced that he is a villain is that when I broke all his “math” with an undeniable argument, he didn’t even answer anything to me. If he were just stupid, he would argue about that, and I could point out to his errors. But he just ignored that argument. that lynching d1 is 77% chance or -1 townie before mafia even starts to act. That's why he is most suspicious now, same as his defenders, who have no arguments to defend him at all. Like you.

  13. ISO #163

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    Btw, if one of mafs will be jailed/roleblocked, they cannot kill? How does it works here?
    If mafia is jailed, then I guess the second member will do night kill.
    If person who is trying to kill gets RBed, I guess no kill happens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    In the case MartinGG99 will not be lynched (he still can be very dumb town, not evil, so lynching him is some risk), I ask investigating roles to keep eye on him and his defenders. His "math" is total anti-town bullshit. Maybe he just have some problems with counting, maybe. But I prefer to think that this is an attempt to confuse everyone. Random lynching d1 is WORST thing town can do. That's why d1 lynch impossbile in most mafia games, IRL or Arcade. Well, at least, lycnhing Martin will not be random.
    I believe it's possible to find mafia member d1 and lynch it. Well, that's exacly what happened the previous game (poor Ganelion). Also, in this setup we can afford mislynch. The most important thing is to gain information and learn from our mistakes.

    I wonder why you tried to manipulate Martin's post. Would you like to explain that to me?
    -vote Zedus

  14. ISO #164

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    I never suggested that we random lynch. Only that we lynch. There's a very distinct difference in lynching and random lynching. The only thing making this a non-random lynch, as you've proposed it, is the fact that you disagreed with lynching because you felt it was more likely to get a town, and that you believe im scummy.
    Please don't use that dark purple. I almost can't read it.

  15. ISO #165

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post

    Btw, if one of mafs will be jailed/roleblocked, they cannot kill? How does it works here?
    The first post of this thread has a link to the setup. All mafia members can elect to not do their night ability (such as a consigliere checking someone) in order to carry out the kill. Considering there's a 24 hour night chat, the fact that one of them was jailed would quickly become obvious. The next action for the non-jailed mafia would be to kill, obviously.

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    Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    I never suggested that we random lynch. Only that we lynch.
    Lynching d1 can be only random. Well, except lynching someone like you, who offering this terrible move. But it's ok for me not to lynch you, just check. And if you will appear as town, just ignore you for next days, as person with bad game undestanding, who can easy misslead people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Dallarian : Obviously a rebel, and a scum wtf.
    That's a complement to read these words from your keyboard, my rival.
    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Trying to look less evil with this post? I find that strange. And also apparently doesnt want to be stuck into "small things"
    Basicly I am trying not to get scumread for something like that. I was really surprised when it was used as a valid argument against you.

  20. ISO #170

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    you disagreed with lynching because you felt it was more likely to get a town
    "Felt"? It's not about feeling. It's math. That REAL math, that lynched one will be most likely townie. 77% chance. Only evil or stupid can offer this shit move for town. Are you evil or stupid? If just stupid, then please, calm down and don't try to lead town to hell with your stupid arguments. But by default, I think that there are no stupids here. If you are not stupid and not evil, why are you so lynch-happy?

  21. ISO #171

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    Lynching d1 can be only random. Well, except lynching someone like you, who offering this terrible move. But it's ok for me not to lynch you, just check. And if you will appear as town, just ignore you for next days, as person with bad game undestanding, who can easy misslead people.
    Suit yourself. But most leads that can lead to the basis for lynches are the day chats. It's stated in one of the new player's guide, and I cited then in post #134.

  22. ISO #172

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Suit yourself. But most leads that can lead to the basis for lynches are the day chats. It's stated in one of the new player's guide, and I cited then in post #134.
    And the only strong "chat lead" we have is pointing on you. You were only one who wants to lynch someone d1. According to this, lynching you will make you happy.

  23. ISO #173

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    "Felt"? It's not about feeling. It's math. That REAL math, that lynched one will be most likely townie. 77% chance. Only evil or stupid can offer this shit move for town. Are you evil or stupid? If just stupid, then please, calm down and don't try to lead town to hell with your stupid arguments. But by default, I think that there are no stupids here. If you are not stupid and not evil, why are you so lynch-happy?
    So are you arguing for no lynch? What is with the angst here.?

  24. ISO #174

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    Lynching d1 can be only random. Well, except lynching someone like you, who offering this terrible move.
    I am afraid majority may have different opinion about that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    "Felt"? It's not about feeling. It's math. That REAL math, that lynched one will be most likely townie. 77% chance. Only evil or stupid can offer this shit move for town. Are you evil or stupid? If just stupid, then please, calm down and don't try to lead town to hell with your stupid arguments. But by default, I think that there are no stupids here. If you are not stupid and not evil, why are you so lynch-happy?
    Are we going to wait till chances of lynching Mafia are higher than 50%? Or do you want Marshall to win the game for you? We do not know if we even have Investigative/Goverment roles, that's important difference from -Mafia-.
    We don't need to lynch d1, but it's an opportunity we can use.

  25. ISO #175

    Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    "Felt"? It's not about feeling. It's math. That REAL math, that lynched one will be most likely townie. 77% chance. Only evil or stupid can offer this shit move for town. Are you evil or stupid? If just stupid, then please, calm down and don't try to lead town to hell with your stupid arguments. But by default, I think that there are no stupids here. If you are not stupid and not evil, why are you so lynch-happy?
    Let me answer this honestly:

    There is some basis for not going for a day 1 lynch. I've recently heard from a Podcast on the Mafia Universe Championships (specifically the one review game 6 I believe) where an experienced player stated about 40% of day 1 lynches were mafia. So even with the most experienced players in the world, its difficult to avoid a day 1 mislynch. But I believe and feel a day 1 lynch often yields information on who is likely scum and who is not, thus improving the accuracy of lynches on day 2 and day 3. Otherwise, we can all sit on our buts here and wait for our 3 TPRs to die each night while they have a lesser chance to hit mafia while mafia from night 1 (right off the bat) already have a 42% chance to kill one of our TPRs each night.

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    Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    So are you arguing for no lynch? What is with the angst here.?
    We had no reason to lynch someone, until Martin starts his trying to misslead town to hell with his Evil Intentions or Glorous Stupidity. It's ignore or lynch for me now for this player. There is a lot of text in forum mafia, better to filter out someone with bad ideas.
    If he will not be lynched, he is the primary target for invest roles to check.

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    Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    @Helltanis

    Any thoughts or feelings on the game so far that you would be willing to share?

    Or do you have any questions you would like to ask any of us?

    I would appreciate if there was any, as only through discussion can the town hope to succeed in this game. We could try to rely on the Town Power Roles, but the chances of them targeting mafia are kinda low...Too low for me to be comfortable to be sitting around. Hence the need for discussion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    So far I'm just getting my thoughts together to help us as town or the bad guys might get the advantage
    I see, well thank you very much for your quick response. Feel free to take your time. Just be aware of how much time we have left in the day phase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    Page 4-5

    Found some stuff that triggered , Graklyn is on my scum alert because he dosent mind lynching, Dallarain said my the town win and dint include himself makes me think his sus, Martin, Ash l'eau , Zedus seem town so far , I ll make another evaluation soon
    Yeah exactly I had the same thought, Dallarian's speech has a lot of non-town inclusive way of talking that's part of why I put him as null read even though Dallarian made some great posts.
    Anyway, my current obvious guess are still placed on bakermir/Zedus, I'm waiting to see how this will go, but my vote will probably go on either of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Yeah exactly I had the same thought, Dallarian's speech has a lot of non-town inclusive way of talking that's part of why I put him as null read even though Dallarian made some great posts.
    Anyway, my current obvious guess are still placed on bakermir/Zedus, I'm waiting to see how this will go, but my vote will probably go on either of them.
    To be honest, I'm waiting for @Ash Lael or @bakermir to return and share their thoughts, if any. Then I might pressure @Zedus more for his thoughts on things other than my lynch suggestion. I would like to see their thoughts on the other players here, now that quite some discussion has occured over the past few hours or so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Then I might pressure @Zedus more for his thoughts on things other than my lynch suggestion. I would like to see their thoughts on the other players here, now that quite some discussion has occured over the past few hours or so.
    You take on too much, talking too much and missleading ppl around too much. Maybe you are evil, maybe you are dumb who thinks he is smartest one. In any case I informing you now ignored for me from this moment. I will wait investigation check results on you. Of course, if you will not be lynched. Lynching you will be good for town even if you are town.
    Last edited by Zedus; June 25th, 2020 at 12:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    You take on too much, talking too much and missleading ppl around too much. Maybe you are evil, maybe you are dumb who thinks he is smartest one. In any case I informing you now ignored for me from this moment. I will wait investigation check results on you. Of course, if you will not be lynched. Lynching you will be good for town even if you are town.
    There will be no editing posts
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    gotchu fam

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    You take on too much, talking too much and missleading ppl around too much. Maybe you are evil, maybe you are dumb who thinks he is smartest one. In any case I informing you now ignored for me from this moment. I will wait investigation check results on you. Of course, if you will not be lynched. Lynching you will be good for town even if you are town.
    Then what is the point of these 48 hours days? I think by having discussion, as much as possible, is a good thing for town. If town isn't meant to talk much unless they have a TPR lead, then why is the first day designed to be as just as long as everything else? Its one of the reason why I post much, even if it leads me to doing dumb things. I also tried my best to think of things for the game before hand, such as those statistics I mentioned earlier.

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    Re: Re : Re: S-FM Summer 2020

    This is a list of the edit posts so far. Showing the original and then the new version.

    Remember peeps. Editing posts is against the rules.


    Spoiler : Helltanis Posts :
    Old:
    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    I am Helltanis I ve been summoned here to bring the hell fleet to the heavens and execute all those who oppose me and my fellow citizens
    New:
    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    I am Helltanis I ve been summoned here to bring the hell fleet to the heavens and execute all those who oppose me and my fellow citizens so that justice may be served



    Old:
    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    [Vote martin]
    New:
    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    Ah I just wait for a mentor...



    Spoiler : Zedus posts :
    Old:
    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    You take on too much, talking too much and missleading ppl around too much. Maybe you are evil, maybe you are dumb who thinks he is smartest one. In any case I informing you now ignored for me from this moment. I will wait investigation check results on you.
    New:
    Quote Originally Posted by Zedus View Post
    You take on too much, talking too much and missleading ppl around too much. Maybe you are evil, maybe you are dumb who thinks he is smartest one. In any case I informing you now ignored for me from this moment. I will wait investigation check results on you. Of course, if you will not be lynched. Lynching you will be good for town even if you are town.
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    Re: Re : S-FM Summer 2020

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    So here is my thought on everyone way of talking / votes / alignment / role / cooperation
    Keep in mind, those are only mine, and might not be the absolute truth.

    Martin : A LOT OF POST, some of them interesting, and some are just math stats. Being bussed, lead early discussion, I feel a bit of panic tho, but not a scum one, I feel he is a Citizen (medium town read)



    Maybe because Martin just cant.


    Ash Lael : Good amount of post, very complete from what I've seen. Ash was part of the vote train on Martin, the reason was kinda strange for me tho,even if I understand Ash pushed Martin cause of Martin's post asking for prefer role. Then unvoted on Dallarian's demand. Slight town read, I have no idea of your role.

    Grakylan : Not many post, a messy entry, into randomly voting me then unvote. I feel like Grakylan is just powerless right now.
    Slight Citizen read for me.

    Helltanis : Currently Unreadable for some reason.

    Dallarian : Obviously a rebel, and a scum wtf. Jokes apart, Dallarian is softly defending Martin, but there hasnt been much interactions between them, his posts were decent, but I find some of Dallarian speech a bit weird, here are my worries



    Trying to look less evil with this post? I find that strange. And also apparently doesnt want to be stuck into "small things"



    But overall Dallarian has also been leading the discussion quite well. Null read. I do not know the role tho but I dont think he is Citizen at all, he knows he can bring something.

    Renegade : Not much post to work with, only reacted to others earlier. Very slight scum read. Expected a bit more post still.

    bakermir : I didnt like much the way he attacked Martin. Bakermir followed Ash blindly and early on the Martin's vote without saying anything just after Ash brought his thought. Medium/Heavy scumread.


    Zedus : Second post directly attacking Martin (first post was : "Well I'm here"). And I dont believe math/stats are really favoring Martin as a scum more than a desesperate townie with the most vote on him. Medium/Heavy scumread as well.




    To conclude :

    Just wanted to point out some facts that are aimed for EVERYONE :



    Fact 1 ) Renegade and Zedus are both in my scumlist as well as bakermir atm.
    We should really watch for them.

    Fact 2 ) Please if you leave someone as "null", explain a bit more because this could be likely seen as a scum friend hiding.

    Fact 3 ) I saw some of you are scared of someone hammering. Be sure that if someone do so, this person will have to explain and have A/SEVERAL GOOD REASON(S)

    Fact 4 ) Lets talk about those math/stat thingies : I heard some of you say "Yeah, there are 77% that a town get lynched..." and so on...
    Thats why we are here, to decrease this 77%. By looking for clue in everyones speeches.
    So please remember that its good for everyone to know this but focus more on the game than those math thing.

    And considering the early Martin's question toward each of us (asking for our best role), this doesnt mean anything from me except starting the discussion.
    In the past newbie game held on this forum,and generally, people asking early questions tends to end up being townie at the end. I can link you if needed, just ask me.

    Fact 5 ) I didnt believe we would be close to page 10 before mid-day 1 (ingame) wow. Congrats.

    Anyway I'm done for the moment. Here were my thoughts.


    Wtf do you think you’re doing? You are painting targets on our power roles and telling the scum where to kill. I had a problem with Martin’s question but your behaviour here is so much worse. You are actively playing to the scum’s win condition.

    It is in town’s best interest for our power roles to stay hidden. Or, if we don’t want that for whatever reason (say we want to coordinate investigations or even just clear three players), they can just roleclaim. This kind of speculation is just doing the wolves’ work for them.

 

 

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