Heck, Dallarian and Auwt knew each other, and if i recall correctly, Dallarian was well aware of Auwt's scum experience in past games. I haven't looked at them, but perhaps he knew to distance from Auwt despite being new? We'll need to review the evidence on D3.
Am I being too easy on Drizzt and harsh on deathworlds? I must admit people warning me about deathworlds intimidated me but still I stand behind my observation of them. Either way, I am willing to vote up any of the citizens.
Also I am willing to gamble on Drizzt but I still place my bet on Auwt and Martin/deathworlds. I am willing to swap deathworlds with Drizzt, whoever provides some useful analysis extends their life. I think this is pretty reasonable.
Martin been here and there for me. But personally I think his scum vibes is an enigma compared to his town vibes. I really want to believe he is a townie. He is a good sport, he participated in this very well and it is his first game too. I really try to see his gameplay but it feels far off from mine and as a townie, i find his shoes quite big for me.
Erm, next night I mean.
Anyways, imma go. I'll try to not oversleep. It seems like we got enough votes to lynch Auwt (Ash, Bakermir, Drizzt?, Me). Maybe even Grakylan will join it too.
Oh yea, I see no other option but to lynch Auwt simply for power role hunting entire game. This was noticed by many of us. I am also glad Martin came to understanding of how evil this can get. I am glad we are finally resolving this.
Anyone who wants to leave before end of day can just throw their vote down on Auwt IMO. The rest of us might take a bit more time but I think itís clear at this point thatís where weíre heading.
Iím not, for the record, 100% sold on the connection to Drizzt but itís the best fitting partner I could find for Auwt. But yeah I think the most important step is to first confirm the flip and then work from there.
I honestly think this is the best shot we have.
I hope he can disprove us all until EOD2.
MartinGG99 (1 [L-3]):
Auwt (1 [L-3]):
I will be here for the next few hours.
Actually, I just realised a potential additional point in favour of Drizzt being scum: the fact that all the scum are in the citizen claims.
I believe the optimal strategy for scum would have been to split 1/1 with one claiming power and one claiming citizen. That keeps the entire town in consideration as potential scum. However they both went citizen, so we have been able to clear 3.
So why did they do it? Well one possibility is that Drizzt subbed in and claimed citizen almost instantly, and at a point when he didnít realise the significance of that. Remember he did not seem to be very aware of the game state. If he did after his partner already claimed citizen, the scum just locked themselves out of their best strategy with a poorly timed sub.
I donít recall whether Auwt had hardclaimed citizen before or after Drizzt, but he had certainly implied it hard enough that he felt he had no other choice, despite the bad situation.
This is all theorycrafting but itís been nagging at me for a while that the scum didnít play this situation right from their perspective and Iíve been wondering why. This might not be the reason but I like to think it is.
I mean he pretty much fucked himself over when he 100% citizen on Martin, claimed citizen himself but then Grakylan confirmed me as citizen. Drizzt and Dallarian claiming citizen too only shows 1 mafia is here and your theory on mafia having a wrong strategy is very acceptable to me.
Unless there is some different universe where Martin's performance gets an oscar or a DW/Drizzt duo but then Auwt > Dallarian in terms of scum activity.
Hell yeah, let's go then @Drizzt
In a Martin vs Auwt scenario who would you vote for on lylo?
Martin is pretty much bandwagon though, it almost feel like he admitted to "throwing" by suggesting an Auwt lynch. I see him more suspicious than @Drizzt or DW
[QUOTE=bakermir;871292]I asked this question to myself too. Because of this I already voted up Auwt.[/QUOTE
I do not know how to formally vote but consider this Brock/Drizzt vote
formatting fucked up
[ v o t e ] A u w t [ / v o t e ]
then remove spaces
just doing that in case it glitched vote count
Who knows if I will be active at EoD2. Even I don't know. I will be heading to sleep soon and then after that doing god knows what.
Your ISO was valuable. I appreciate your input at this point honestly.
What do you think of all? My theory of Auwt/Martin and Ash's theory of Auwt/Drizzt
I think he might be wrong on Drizzt here because DW is the person voting up Martin currently. Drizzt doesn't have a good opinion on Martin either and maybe not voting Martin up to prove Ash wrong.
Alright guys, Iím out for the night, and probably the game. I have been missing a lot of sleep because of this game, and I am exhausted. Itís been absolutely worth it, though.
In the worst case scenario where Iím nightkilled and Auwt flips green, you guys will be in lylo with 2 scum in the lynch pool of 3. In this scenario, the lynch pool needs to vote first - the one town player can vote for either of the other two freely as they will both be scum. Then the confirmed towns in bakemir and Grakylan need to confer and come to an agreement and vote as a bloc.
If, as I expect, he flips red and Iím dead, great work. I trust this town to get the job done and Iíll be reading along cheering you on.
Granted at this stage of the game I'd like Ash to reveal their actual role, but since no one else CC'd TPR I'm inclined to believe and trust ash.
Wow, just woke up and im at L-1, nice evil are organized this day, incredible, please let me read before lynching me.
I was just going to leave too but now this is getting fun
I would certainly not vote Martin neither you Grakylan today, but the fact that none of Ash/bakermir are ready to claim and willing to solve the game really annoy me.
I have been asking dozens of time to Ash to put clues on table, or at least make a valid claim, he declined saying there is no need.
During my last game of FM, I was citizen, I also woke up D2, because D1 not much to say, all you can do is perceive Citizen vibes from other, that for instance what I did toward Martin (and Grakylan which didnt work apparently).
When there is 2 townies dead at D2, an alarm is ringing out, and bakermir, Ash didnt respond to this alarm, tbh.
It's hard to make a guess on Dallarian, but at least he was one if not the only to give a reason on D1 lynch, moreover, he unvoted before, I dont see a bad DW right now.
For me the list goes Martin/Auwt/Bake/Drizzts, in that order. with bake and drizzt being much further away than martin and auwt.
I have a hard time seeing drizzts being scum, because their previous slot was basically a headless noob townie (no offense mate, we were all like that once).
Bake is 90% confirmed (could be an actionless mafia, or a godfather or some dumb shit like that) unless grak is CC'd
Auwt has been TPR hunting and attacking our pretty much confirmed townie the entire day.
Martin also had a bit of TPR hunting, but his hyper-awareness makes me very hesitant to not throw him out of the game.
That being said I am very much willing to lynch Auwt, I'd very uncomfortably lynch bake or drizzt, but I would be pleased with a Martin or Auwt lynch.
I don't know who his partner would be because I don't hunt by association very often, as that is something that scum can manipulate.
Because of reasons that you can talk to SJ or Dall about post game.
I would never stoop to Zedus' level, I'm not toxic, I play aggressively towards my scum-reads, and aggressively in general. Trying to advocate for my lynch for giving off "toxic vibes" when there are none to be found isn't a very cash money move.
Oh and bake I saw that post, and, uh, yeah it was kinda damning, accusing not just one, but indirectly both of our unCC'd TPRs when there's a maximum of two TPRs left is ignorant of reality at best, and an attempt of hijacking the town in a super high-risk play at worst. It's super unlikely that bake is scum, the bloody stars would've had to align for him to be scum. I don't see how ash/bake could be a thing, because ash is more or less confirmed at this point.
I DID NOT FIND any valid reason for Ash to townread you that much, like for real...
There is no manipulation is this kind of game, only people making scarry guess toward scums.
Right now the ones that arent voting me are : DW, Martin, Grakylan
Each of them know I'm not in a scum them with them
(meaning DW knows im not in a scum team with him, Martin knows im not in a scum team with him, Grakylan knows im not in a scum team with him)
If you see this, for me we just have to look who is opposing me right now to take a guess.
I didnt expect Drizzt to join bakermir and Ash tho, thats...uh.
Also, first FM game, I was a subordinate scum, my plays were awful, I recognize it.
My second FM game, I was Citizen, you can check its the previous FM game. Also Town won because of 'luck' and strong Citizen block. I would have been accused for adding a vote pre 30 min before EOD1, but since nobody counter claimed Citizen, I was a 100% citizen with someone else, namely your Mentor, bakermir.
And dont forget Train on Zedus started by Ash discrediting my vote and hard protecting bakermir for legit no reason.
Good luck convincing DW and Grakylan.
Martin already admitted voting you would end up being gamethrow by him.