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  2. #522

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    Quote Originally Posted by rumox View Post
    It is still denoting A God. Your choice of wording implies you are talking from some religious viewpoint (the only ones left out are of the atheist variety and why should they care?) and honestly this just confirms my view. Non-religious people are the minority in the world, and then in the USA it's drastically even more shifted in favor of theists. It makes sense to me that "In God we trust" has been codified in US law as NOT being a religious statement when the people that it is in reference to are overwhelmingly the majority of the populace. The religious population in the USA in 2016 was 79.1%, opposed to 20.9% non religion/no answers.

    If a vote was put to the public where religious beliefs or lack of were attached to an individuals vote about whether "In God we trust" is a religious statement or not, I have a feeling I already will know what the results would look like.
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  3. #523

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    Quote Originally Posted by rumox View Post
    Care to explain... I don't want to pre-emptively say mental gymnastics but I honestly have no idea how you can come to this conclusion without it.
    The phrase is all over the place. It doesnít mean anything. In God we Trust is just a blessing. Itís a patriotic slogan that doesnít have any religious meaning. I frankly donít understand why thatís such an issue. Itís not as if the Government is going to enforce religion. I would start worrying when the government tells you you need to be religious to do certain things. Which isnít the case.
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  4. #524

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Satanists are encouraging moral behavior? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the whole point of satanism to promote admittedly pure evil (whether that exists or not) and literally praise it?
    I will refer you to these posts, buried in the "cancerous" portion of the thread.

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    This is biased conjecture. Morality does not depend on religion.
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    Religion has its own moral code. That moral code does not apply to everyone. So you can say "religion can and did give people morals to live by" but all it's doing is enforcing its own moral code.

    Why is divorce an immoral act? You know what's immoral? A religious leader telling an abused wife to give her husband another chance and stay in the marriage to avoid a divorce. You know what else is immoral? Someone breaking their marital vows and betraying their spouse's trust by going behind their spouses back to cheat on them for years. Wanna know another one? Staying in a loveless marriage because marriage is "moral".

    "Marriage" is not a moral act. It is neither moral nor immoral. Same with divorce. Unless you're religious, and your belief is that marriage is ordained of god, and that divorce is a sin.
    "In god we trust" is in no way a moral statement, and should not be the motto of a country that prides itself in being a diverse melting pot of ideas.
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho

  5. #525

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    Uh, i donít see what it being a moral statement has anything to do with if
    its not a moral statement at all, itís not even much of a religious statement
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    Also Banana it is VERY unfair of you to take those stances and paint religion as a whole with it. Not everyone who is religious believes that.
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  8. #528

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    Also Banana it is VERY unfair of you to take those stances and paint religion as a whole with it. Not everyone who is religious believes that.
    What stances are you referring to here? I responded to secondpassing that was arguing marriage = moral and divorce = immoral, and mallow who was arguing against "In Satan we trust" due to its "immorality" vs "In god we trust". So what am I painting here?
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho

  9. #529

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    The phrase is all over the place. It doesn’t mean anything. In God we Trust is just a blessing. It’s a patriotic slogan that doesn’t have any religious meaning. I frankly don’t understand why that’s such an issue. It’s not as if the Government is going to enforce religion. I would start worrying when the government tells you you need to be religious to do certain things. Which isn’t the case.
    I want to impart the blessing of Satan, who is the God of this world, with his many powers and priesthoods. I propose a compromise. Since "In Satan we trust" is a patriotic slogan to me, and just a meaningless blessing to others, I propose that the new motto be: "In God we trust, and Satan too".
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho

  10. #530

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    its not a moral statement at all, itís not even much of a religious statement
    You are so close to breaking the veil of whatever dogma you hold onto.

    Also, "In God we trust" is a moral statement. The very core of religion is to indoctrinate followers with a specific moral compass. To endorse a blanket statement for all citizens about the TRUTH from a religious perspective is an affront to anyone not religious. It is another way of saying "our morality is the truth". It is propelling a class in front of another. Fuck the motto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    What stances are you referring to here? I responded to secondpassing that was arguing marriage = moral and divorce = immoral, and mallow who was arguing against "In Satan we trust" due to its "immorality" vs "In god we trust". So what am I painting here?
    I feel youíre very profoundly anti-religion and your statements show that. Itís not okay to say that ĎChristians want to impose their beliefsí on everybody else. Itís not as if even a majority of Christians do that. Christianity is long past that now. These people are in the minority.
    I can see why someone would say divorce is immoral. Theres many wrong things about divorce; first the fact that you arrived at the point where divorce is the only way forward shows that something seriously wrong happened somewhere. Either they married the wrong person or something horrible happened after marriage. Itís also not okay to leave your children behind just because you cannot reconcile with the other person.

    Of course, divorce should be legal and Iím not claiming otherwise. But I definitely think that religious people have a point when they say divorce is wrong (it is, and thereís absolutely no question about it). You canít just dismiss it.

    I dont really see what point youíre trying to make about Satan because Satan is a well defined being. God isnít. God means different things to different people. If we look at the statement from a religious standpoint, it could mean that the Supreme Being protects America. Or even spirituality. It doesnít matter which god. Replacing that with Satan is about as secular as replacing it with Christ, Shiva, Thor, Allah or Jehovah.
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  12. #532

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    Quote Originally Posted by rumox View Post
    You are so close to breaking the veil of whatever dogma you hold onto.

    Also, "In God we trust" is a moral statement. The very core of religion is to indoctrinate followers with a specific moral compass. To endorse a blanket statement for all citizens about the TRUTH from a religious perspective is an affront to anyone not religious. It is another way of saying "our morality is the truth". It is propelling a class in front of another. Fuck the motto.
    Bro ĎGod protects Americaí doesnít offend anyone. If I told you God protected this forum why should you feel offended? As far as Iím concerned he protects all people equally regardless of religious belief or lack thereof.
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    I find it ridiculous to suggest that ĎIím breaking the veil of whatever sigma Iím ascribing toí. I am NOT religious, at the end of the day I couldnít care less what people believed or didnít. I think however that itís ridiculous to mount an all-our assault on religious belief and paint it as irrational and therefore wrong, AND evil. There are legitimate grievances to be heard on both sides, but itís plain WRONG to paint all religious belief as non-sensical and the people who ascribe to it as children who worship sky daddies.
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  16. #536

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    I feel you’re very profoundly anti-religion and your statements show that. It’s not okay to say that ‘Christians want to impose their beliefs’ on everybody else. It’s not as if even a majority of Christians do that. Christianity is long past that now. These people are in the minority.
    I can see why someone would say divorce is immoral. Theres many wrong things about divorce; first the fact that you arrived at the point where divorce is the only way forward shows that something seriously wrong happened somewhere. Either they married the wrong person or something horrible happened after marriage. It’s also not okay to leave your children behind just because you cannot reconcile with the other person.

    Of course, divorce should be legal and I’m not claiming otherwise. But I definitely think that religious people have a point when they say divorce is wrong (it is, and there’s absolutely no question about it). You can’t just dismiss it.

    I dont really see what point you’re trying to make about Satan because Satan is a well defined being. God isn’t. God means different things to different people. If we look at the statement from a religious standpoint, it could mean that the Supreme Being protects America. Or even spirituality. It doesn’t matter which god. Replacing that with Satan is about as secular as replacing it with Christ, Shiva, Thor, Allah or Jehovah.
    Yes I am very much anti religion. I grew up in a country full of people who have tried to force their religious beliefs onto everyone else. For example, gay marriage was not legal in every state in the USA until just 5 years ago. 5. Fucking. Years ago. Because "religious beliefs say gay marriage is bad". There was literally no other explanation for restricting american's freedom to marry. Other than religious beliefs.

    It's even worse growing up in Utah. Mormons account for almost 90% of my state's legislature. And believe me, they consistently try to impose the will of the LDS church here in the state as much as they can. The LDS church literally pays lobbyists to push their religious agendas through my state. Voters will vote one way, but the church doesn't like it? They impose their will. They enforce their moral code.

    You know that I used to be on the other side of the coin? I used to use mental gymnastics to defend my cult, and in a broader sense to also defend christianity when it came to the public sphere. But since my departure from mormonism in 2015 I was able to let go of trying to justify every stupid little viewpoint that religious folk try to shove down everyone else's throats. So yeah, I have a bitter relationship with religion. There's a saying among mormons for us "anti" folk - "You can leave the church but you can't leave the church alone". Well, all I want is for the church (and all religion) to leave me in peace, and let me be free of it.
    Last edited by BananaCucho; June 29th, 2020 at 02:03 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    Bro ‘God protects America’ doesn’t offend anyone. If I told you God protected this forum why should you feel offended? As far as I’m concerned he protects all people equally regardless of religious belief or lack thereof.
    God doesn't exist. I don't trust in something that doesn't exist.
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho

  18. #538

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    No, divorce isnít immoral but itís definirely WRONG. You only have one life. How much time are you gonna waste with divorces? Thatís why you look HARD for the right person to make sure that divorce isnít necessary, and work with them through the relationship to make sure that differences are resolved peacefully and productively. You canít possibly have me look at someone who divorced and go, GEE WELL DONE, you did something with your life. Of course abuses happen and people have all the right to get a divorce then, but that doesnít change the fact that they wasted years of their lives with the wrong person. Nobody can give that time back to them; how do you make up for that time? What if you have kids? How are kids going to grow up with only one parent? Thereís literally a million issues with divorce.
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  19. #539

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    God doesn't exist. I don't trust in something that doesn't exist.
    If he doesnít exist, why even care then? lol
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  20. #540

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    Ngl you guys are turning me slowly into a religious fundamentalist
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