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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    Can I get some context? I wasn't sure if you meant Trump or someone in 1940s European history.
    Yeah he's referring to Trump, who said that there were good people on both sides of Charlottesville

    I will concede that Trump didn't say specifically "nazis are good people", but considering that the "Unite the RIGHT" rally (emphasis added for those who are still confused as to which end of the political spectrum nazis fall) was organized by white supremacists and neo nazis, the President saying that there are good people mixed in there was bad optics

    Which I argued already in a different thread, as to why people conflate the far right with nazis, given that nazis are far right... wheeee here we go in circles
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Yeah he's referring to Trump, who said that there were good people on both sides of Charlottesville

    I will concede that Trump didn't say specifically "nazis are good people", but considering that the "Unite the RIGHT" rally (emphasis added for those who are still confused as to which end of the political spectrum nazis fall) was organized by white supremacists and neo nazis, the President saying that there are good people mixed in it bad optics

    Which I argued already in a different thread, as to why people conflate the far right with nazis, given that nazis are far right... wheeee here we go in circles
    I see, thank you.

    The extreme polarity of the political climate lately is ridiculous. I dislike when people conflate the most radical ends of the political spectrum with the other. Not all leftists are communist.
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    Kind of like what the horseshoe theory suggests (that I talked with yzb about), they can share similar qualities. Shutting down conversation (media) and propaganda seem to be recurring themes.

    Edit: free speech is probably the word to use here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    I see, thank you.

    The extreme polarity of the political climate lately is ridiculous. I dislike when people conflate the most radical ends of the political spectrum with the other. Not all leftists are communist.
    What? But everyone I talk to has convinced me that right-of-center Biden is a hardcore socialist and that if elected we will become Venezuela
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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    What? But everyone I talk to has convinced me that right-of-center Biden is a hardcore socialist and that if elected we will become Venezuela
    And he will.

    Smoke the propaganja, Che.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    Basically, he mentioned arguments about the classification of nazism so I took a shot in the dark and asked if he had a take.
    I am not very knowledgeable about economics, but my impression was that while China has a more liberal economy than say the Soviet Union, they still heavily regulate it (e.g. state capitalism ?) is

  7. ISO #257

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    Kind of like what the horseshoe theory suggests (that I talked with yzb about), they can share similar qualities. Shutting down conversation (media) and propaganda seem to be recurring themes.

    Edit: free speech is probably the word to use here.
    I kinda didn't wanna argue the point too hard because the whole left-right spectrum is kinda crap anyway, so arguing whether it's better or worse with horseshoe theory seems kind of like missing the forest for the trees.

    But I'll point out you can be radical and centrist (Ataturk) and you can be far-left without being authoritarian. For example, coops are not inherently authoritarian but you also really can't get more leftist than coops lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    I wasn't trying to make a point or pull some kinda gotcha. I was literally curious because to me China is a country that really doesn't fit onto the political spectrum in a clear way. They identify as a Leninist state and all the land is technically state-owned plus the CPC has at least 20% ownership of every company but they employ heavy free market mechanics and are deeply classist. I think countries like China demonstrate the shortcomings of the left-right political spectrum as a classification system, as well as the limitations of trying to class every economic system as simply capitalist or communist.
    I see. Maybe the mistake is in seeing capitalism/communism as purely black and white (you’re either a communist or a capitalist). There’s lots of middle ground and China is somewhere in between those two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    I kinda didn't wanna argue the point too hard because the whole left-right spectrum is kinda crap anyway, so arguing whether it's better or worse with horseshoe theory seems kind of like missing the forest for the trees.

    But I'll point out you can be radical and centrist (Ataturk) and you can be far-left without being authoritarian. For example, coops are not inherently authoritarian but you also really can't get more leftist than coops lol.
    I agree with you. I actually distinguish between far (right or left) and radical/extreme (right or left). For instance I am far right economically because I’m staunchly against interventionism, but I am not radical right because I don’t think the State should cease to exist.

    One other example is George Orwell. He was far left but not radical left (I actually like Orwell)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I am not very knowledgeable about economics, but my impression was that while China has a more liberal economy than say the Soviet Union, they still heavily regulate it (e.g. state capitalism ?) is
    I think China is probably best understood as "nuanced communism". When capitalist economies started out, they had a hardcore laissez faire approach with child miners and no social safety net and very little state interference. We realized that it was inhumane and extremely inefficient, so we moved towards a more "nuanced" capitalism, with the state owning lots of public utilities, transport and healthcare, as well as micromanaging the crap out of companies. There's more regulation than one person could ever read. The same thing happened in China but in reverse.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I agree with you. I actually distinguish between far (right or left) and radical/extreme (right or left). For instance I am far right economically because I’m staunchly against interventionism, but I am not radical right because I don’t think the State should cease to exist.

    One other example is George Orwell. He was far left but not radical left (I actually like Orwell)
    You reminded me of the super libertarian Ayn Rand types on the far right, which are quite the opposite of authoritarian. When people talk about horseshoe theory they always go straight to Hitler and Stalin as if they're the only far left and far right and yes, I suppose morally they appear quite indistinguishable, but even they have massive political disagreements. Outside of the Hitler-Stalin thing which itself is quite short-sighted the far left and far right are really not comparable.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    I think China is probably best understood as "nuanced communism". When capitalist economies started out, they had a hardcore laissez faire approach with child miners and no social safety net and very little state interference. We realized that it was inhumane and extremely inefficient, so we moved towards a more "nuanced" capitalism, with the state owning lots of public utilities, transport and healthcare, as well as micromanaging the crap out of companies. There's more regulation than one person could ever read. The same thing happened in China but in reverse.
    That’s one way of looking at it, I suppose.
    Something i find really interesting (and that people never really seem to talk about) is the evolution of economics. From the slave-labour factories of Greek Antiquity through feudalism, mercantilism and finally capitalism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    You reminded me of the super libertarian Ayn Rand types on the far right, which are quite the opposite of authoritarian. When people talk about horseshoe theory they always go straight to Hitler and Stalin as if they're the only far left and far right and yes, I suppose morally they appear quite indistinguishable, but even they have massive political disagreements. Outside of the Hitler-Stalin thing which itself is quite short-sighted the far left and far right are really not comparable.
    Fuck I forgot to say, it's a very good point to make a distinction between "far" and "extreme". The two are conflated far too much.
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    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    Fuck I forgot to say, it's a very good point to make a distinction between "far" and "extreme". The two are conflated far too much.
    It came off that you're not a big political spectrum fan. Can you elaborate on your distinctions?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    Can I get some context? I wasn't sure if you meant Trump or someone in 1940s European history.
    Unite the Right rally. People waving nazi flags attended. Trump said that there were good people on both sides.

    I can recommend an excellent podcast series on David Duke and his rise in the Louisiana Republican party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Unite the Right rally. People waving nazi flags attended. Trump said that there were good people on both sides.

    I can recommend an excellent podcast series on David Duke and his rise in the Louisiana Republican party.
    Sure I'll take a watch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    That’s one way of looking at it, I suppose.
    Something i find really interesting (and that people never really seem to talk about) is the evolution of economics. From the slave-labour factories of Greek Antiquity through feudalism, mercantilism and finally capitalism.
    I'd totally read a thread on that but I don't think we'd be able to keep the conversation going LOL.

    I'd be intrigued to read a book on older economic systems if you know a good one. I've been on the last chapter of "What Terrorists Want" for half a year now lol.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    Sure I'll take a watch.
    The podcast is called "Slow Burn". Season 4 is about David Duke. I personally listen to podcasts on the "Stitcher" app.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    It came off that you're not a big political spectrum fan. Can you elaborate on your distinctions?
    As in, the distinction between "far" and "extreme"? I think to call someone "extreme" should mean to make some statement about their methods and what they're willing to do to instate their political ideals. Whether they're willing to compromise on people's rights, commit violence or do other bad things, whereas to call someone "far" should literally just mean having "far left" or "far right" opinions. I refer back to the coops and the libertarianism, for example.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    What? But everyone I talk to has convinced me that right-of-center Biden is a hardcore socialist and that if elected we will become Venezuela
    I think the only thing that will happen if Biden gets elected is that I’ll feel even more sorry for Biden. I don’t think Biden should be in that race at all; he’s senile and lost. I can’t understand why he got nominated lol. I feel bad for him honestly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    I'd totally read a thread on that but I don't think we'd be able to keep the conversation going LOL.

    I'd be intrigued to read a book on older economic systems if you know a good one. I've been on the last chapter of "What Terrorists Want" for half a year now lol.
    Nah I don’t know any unfortunately. My maininterest is in how these systems came about in the first place. My feeling is that it’s technological advancement, primarily, that drives economic evolution. So the reason why many people were slaves was because technology was too primitive to allow free men tone productive, and that the value of labour (for this reason) was basically null in the small.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I think the only thing that will happen if Biden gets elected is that I’ll feel even more sorry for Biden. I don’t think Biden should be in that race at all; he’s senile and lost. I can’t understand why he got nominated lol. I feel bad for him honestly.
    Did you hear? Obama was literally ringing candidates after South Carolina asking them to drop out so Biden could overtake Sanders. They oppose the people's uprising at their own expense tbh.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Nah I don’t know any unfortunately. My maininterest is in how these systems came about in the first place. My feeling is that it’s technological advancement, primarily, that drives economic evolution. So the reason why many people were slaves was because technology was too primitive to allow free men tone productive, and that the value of labour (for this reason) was basically null in the small.
    As technology continues to advance, do you think we could head back to a more exploitative system? Maybe democracy itself was a temporary glitch of our intermediate technological stage. Or do you think things will continue to get better?

    I'm gonna call it a night.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I think the only thing that will happen if Biden gets elected is that I’ll feel even more sorry for Biden. I don’t think Biden should be in that race at all; he’s senile and lost. I can’t understand why he got nominated lol. I feel bad for him honestly.
    Instead of responding to this, you should respond to the push backs against your false claim that "nazi's aren't far right"

    You can't make a false claim and then ignore when your claim is refuted
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    Anyways. The system isn’t necessarily exploitative, and if people disagree with it, there’s nothing stopping them from confederating into a socialist collective that operates as one unit within the free market. Jewish kibbutzim are practically just that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    As technology continues to advance, do you think we could head back to a more exploitative system? Maybe democracy itself was a temporary glitch of our intermediate technological stage. Or do you think things will continue to get better?

    I'm gonna call it a night.
    Nvm I completely misread this post lol. Good question. I don’t think so. Maybe we will see occasional tendencies towards authoritarianism, but I believe freedom and invidualism are so powerful that they cannot be stopped. I actually believe the structure of reality somehow incorporates individuality as a fundamental truth, and that individualist and free societies of individuals (I guess this also includes voluntary collectives) are supremely powerful, and that nothing trumps them.

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    I'll just forewarn because the last streak of replies in political threads was pretty heated: keep it reasonably nice or face deletions or infractions. Not aiming at anyone btw, just saying it

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Unite the Right rally. People waving nazi flags attended. Trump said that there were good people on both sides.

    I can recommend an excellent podcast series on David Duke and his rise in the Louisiana Republican party.
    ^
    good people don't march with people waving nazi flags and do as if everything was alright
    at best, Trump expressed himself terribly stupidly, and at worst, he supports or at least... strongly tolerate nazis
    But that's past the point

    ~~

    Didn't the NSDAP gain very considerable power over the "private companies", though? If I'm not mistaken, that made them de facto puppets of the State. Extreme authoritarianism makes "left" and "right" join up. So actually, I think neither Mag nor you all is right, because the Nazis were just extreme authoritarians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    I'll just forewarn because the last streak of replies in political threads was pretty heated: keep it reasonably nice or face deletions or infractions. Not aiming at anyone btw, just saying it



    ^
    good people don't march with people waving nazi flags and do as if everything was alright
    at best, Trump expressed himself terribly stupidly, and at worst, he supports or at least... strongly tolerate nazis
    But that's past the point

    ~~

    Didn't the NSDAP gain very considerable power over the "private companies", though? If I'm not mistaken, that made them de facto puppets of the State. Extreme authoritarianism makes "left" and "right" join up. So actually, I think neither Mag nor you all is right, because the Nazis were just extreme authoritarians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    I'll just forewarn because the last streak of replies in political threads was pretty heated: keep it reasonably nice or face deletions or infractions. Not aiming at anyone btw, just saying it



    ^
    good people don't march with people waving nazi flags and do as if everything was alright
    at best, Trump expressed himself terribly stupidly, and at worst, he supports or at least... strongly tolerate nazis
    But that's past the point

    ~~

    Didn't the NSDAP gain very considerable power over the "private companies", though? If I'm not mistaken, that made them de facto puppets of the State. Extreme authoritarianism makes "left" and "right" join up. So actually, I think neither Mag nor you all is right, because the Nazis were just extreme authoritarians.
    I said the Nazis are hard to classify, you then state they are extreme authoritarians. Where is the disagreement?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
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    I said the Nazis are hard to classify, you then state they are extreme authoritarians. Where is the disagreement?
    Oh, I thought you said they were left-wing. No disagreement then lol
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    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
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    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    I kinda didn't wanna argue the point too hard because the whole left-right spectrum is kinda crap anyway, so arguing whether it's better or worse with horseshoe theory seems kind of like missing the forest for the trees.

    But I'll point out you can be radical and centrist (Ataturk) and you can be far-left without being authoritarian. For example, coops are not inherently authoritarian but you also really can't get more leftist than coops lol.
    I completely agree that the political spectrum is crap.

    There are too many factors at play to easily map out each political party / government’s position on a simple spectrum.

    It has always seemed to me that the political spectrum is a tool for the lazy masses, who want to simplify & generalise matters.

    The political issues within one political party are intricate enough, let alone an entire country, or multiple countries (e.g. US vs China vs Russia).

    But keyboard warriors on Reddit think they are experts who can tell you the political stance of each country. *facepalm*

    I think people should focus more on their local affairs and what they can actually change with their votes.

    For all the self-proclaimed experts of global politics, I wonder how much they understand their local / domestic issues when they place their votes lol.

    People who vote based on “political identity” instead of doing their in-depth research of each political party’s issue-by-issue stance are lazy and bad and should not be qualified to talk about politics, ever.
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    I'm not saying that nazis are necessarily clear cut on right winged on a universal/global definition.

    I'm saying that, in american politics, nazis are in the republican right wing bc leaders like trump (but not limited to him) have not disavowed these groups.

    I believe it was bernie sanders that got donations from white supremacists at one point last year. He did what every republican should do and donated that money/did not accept it.

    You would NEVER even EXPECT for trump do this sort of thing. He would never risk offending his coalition. The one that includes nazis and white supremacists.

    Anything contrary to the notion that nazis are not in the far right of american politics either doesn't follow american politics closely enough, or watches faux news

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    I definitely agree that the political spectrum is kinda dumb and very over-simplified. If you look at left vs right in terms of economics, I absolutely agree that the Nazis were certainly more centrist when you compare them to certain other brutally repressive authoritarian, yet capitalistic, regimes. Such as Pinochet's Chile or medieval feudalism.

    However, it gives me pause when someone puts so much effort into making the argument that the Nazis were actually leftists or whatever. Like the idiotic Glenn Beck-tier talking point of "hurrrr durrrrrrrrr nazi stands for national socialism which means they are socliasts xDDDD". Or pointing to a single progressive economic idea they had, like welfare or something, as an example of them being leftist.

    The reason is simple: the only purpose of those types of arguments is so that they can tie leftism with Nazism and repressive authoritarian regimes. You only ever see right-wingers trying to push this Nazi = left narrative, and it's always with the goal of trying to make it seem as though leftist economics or ideas are necessarily authoritarian. This isn't an idea mirrored by the left; nobody on the left as far as I know is going around saying that capitalism or right-wing economics were the cause of the oppressive brutality of the Nazis.

    It's a very disingenuous thing to argue and deflects from the real cause of the atrocities during the Nazis' rule, which was rampant authoritarianism and racism. The sole reason anyone would bring in economics into such an argument is to a) try to falsely pin the blame on an opposing economic system, or b) try to diminish the role that authoritarianism and racism played in the Nazi regime. Or because they're gullible rubes parroting those same ideas.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    They are far right.
    I beg to differ. They're extreme authoritarians. They want (and got) extreme control over the country, and private organizations were so close to the state that they were half-nationalized. Economic "left" and "right" don't matter (or actually don't exist imo) anymore when you're that high up in the authoritarian axis.

    But if you are including the social aspect of the left-right spectrum in your definition of "far right", you'd be correct to say that they are extreme (not just far) right on the social plan: they certainly were the exact opposite of progressist. That being said, the social and economic aspects, while not completely independant from eachother, are not the same and shouldn't just be combined in a single axis, unless you're taking the at the very least partially flawed marxist theory and applying it as it if were gospel; in this thread, the left-right axis seemed to be considered exclusively under the economic perspective.
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    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
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    Re: if you do not do the full version of this political quiz and post the results, you have no balls

    It's unclear to me whether or not the argument stated by oberon is if nazis are left/right on the american spectrum, or a more abstract global/philosophical spectrum.

    If he's saying it's the latter, then I'll fuck off from this thread. If he's saying it's the former? I'll keep saying that he's spouting bulllshit Faux "News" drivel.

    However, historically speaking, it's also very clear that Oberon will never commit himself to a position and this thread will be closed in approximately 5.24 pages. And then in 0.89 months later, we'll have some related discussion again where rinse and repeat ourselves.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Re: if you do not do the full version of this political quiz and post the results, you have no balls

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    It's unclear to me whether or not the argument stated by oberon is if nazis are left/right on the american spectrum, or a more abstract global/philosophical spectrum.

    If he's saying it's the latter, then I'll fuck off from this thread. If he's saying it's the former? I'll keep saying that he's spouting bulllshit Faux "News" drivel.

    However, historically speaking, it's also very clear that Oberon will never commit himself to a position and this thread will be closed in approximately 5.24 pages. And then in 0.89 months later, we'll have some related discussion again where rinse and repeat ourselves.
    I get that we end up arguing about American politics a lot, but you can't just assume every conversation is happening in a strictly American context. That's rather silly lol

    Also, though I get annoyed when he seems to concede a point as wrong then repeats it in a later convo, I don't think you should get annoyed when there's no serious movement in his opinion, generally speaking. With all due respect, we're probably like one one-hundredth of his information sources, with most of the rest giving a very different set of facts in a very different manner. "Winning" an argument with someone will just convince them they haven't read enough rather than all their prior information being wrong. If someone's mind is genuinely changed that's great, but I think realistically the most valuable thing we can get out of this is hearing from the other side.

    Lastly, let's not lose perspective and bear in mind he's not even voting in the US election, so getting worked up about his American opinions is particularly meaningless.
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    Re: if you do not do the full version of this political quiz and post the results, you have no balls

    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    I get that we end up arguing about American politics a lot, but you can't just assume every conversation is happening in a strictly American context. That's rather silly lol

    Also, though I get annoyed when he seems to concede a point as wrong then repeats it in a later convo, I don't think you should get annoyed when there's no serious movement in his opinion, generally speaking. With all due respect, we're probably like one one-hundredth of his information sources, with most of the rest giving a very different set of facts in a very different manner. "Winning" an argument with someone will just convince them they haven't read enough rather than all their prior information being wrong. If someone's mind is genuinely changed that's great, but I think realistically the most valuable thing we can get out of this is hearing from the other side.

    Lastly, let's not lose perspective and bear in mind he's not even voting in the US election, so getting worked up about his American opinions is particularly meaningless.
    I'm literally clarifying so I don't assume!!!!!

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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    Re: if you do not do the full version of this political quiz and post the results, you have no balls

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    I'm literally clarifying so I don't assume!!!!!
    Ok fair xD
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    naz, he's claiming to have been at your house last night and infected you. I know u were drunk but PLEASE try as hard as you can to remember... That burning you felt the next morning when you went pee was from me, not him.

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    Re: if you do not do the full version of this political quiz and post the results, you have no balls

    Btw banana, do you disagree with my point that nazis are extreme right (not far, extreme right) socially, but not economically because it doesn't apply? If so, why? Because you kinda just said "they're far right" after I posted
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Re: if you do not do the full version of this political quiz and post the results, you have no balls

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Btw banana, do you disagree with my point that nazis are extreme right (not far, extreme right) socially, but not economically because it doesn't apply? If so, why? Because you kinda just said "they're far right" after I posted
    Far right

    Extreme right

    Right wing

    Semantics dude
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho

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    Re: if you do not do the full version of this political quiz and post the results, you have no balls

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Far right

    Extreme right

    Right wing

    Semantics dude
    Booo. Extreme is extreme (farthest), far is far not but as far as extreme. "Semantics" (or rather exact vocabulary) matters... but I guess you could call that "semantics" too xD.
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by oliverz144 View Post
    it looks like many, e.g. MM and lag, suffered under the influence of paopan. However there is a victim: frinckles. He left the path of rationality and fully dived into the parallel reality of baby shark, king shark, and soviet union pizzas.
    Spoiler : The meaning of life :

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    Re: if you do not do the full version of this political quiz and post the results, you have no balls

    About economic systems. One question I’ve always asked myself I s - what comes next after capitalism? It’s almosy certainly an economic system we’ve never heard of... maybe 3D printing and increasing automation will bring it about. If everyone can produce, maybe companies will become sort of obsolete and everyone will just be self-employed. Perhaps the new economy will be based around the ownership of natural resources or of land or artificially intelligent systems (and AI research, ofc).

    This is a very basic and probably naive assumption, but it’s nteresting to think about.

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    Re: if you do not do the full version of this political quiz and post the results, you have no balls

    About socialism. I actually (personally) have no issues with socialism as long as I myself don’t have to participate in it. For instance I have absolutely no problem with Jewish kibbutzim because they’re free associations; the people in them *want* to be in them. And they don’t want to extend it to anyone else. I would never do that myself, but hey if it works for you, go for it, man. Live and let live.

 

 

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