S-FM 299: Insanity 2: the Second One, Gamethread

[yzb25]

Banana and Sen have been bashing heads for a while now, and the argument isn't even progressing any more. F for the people catching up lol.

[Varcron]

@Sen

See, one of the votes on me doesnt even scum read me and is voting me for EXACTLY the reason I said he is

No, you're changing my words

I am voting you because you are acting strange in my eyes, not because i'm terrified of you being pocketted.

[Varcron]

No, you're changing my words

I am voting you because you are acting strange in my eyes, not because i'm terrified of you being pocketted.

Of me* I can't type

[Varcron]

Banana and Sen have been bashing heads for a while now, and the argument isn't even progressing any more. F for the people catching up lol.

Yeah give me a fat F

[Sen]

Banana and Sen have been bashing heads for a while now, and the argument isn't even progressing any more. F for the people catching up lol.

Yes. Apologies for the spam, but I've had games where scum gets to live multiple days because I just call them out and then don't bother pushing hard enough.

[BananaCucho]

No, you're changing my words

I am voting you because you are acting strange in my eyes, not because i'm terrified of you being pocketted.

Right, you're voting me for being chaotic, not for scum reading me. Is that accurate?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

he said Banana was a pro-town neutral which is a very interesting assertion

That's because I saw something that might have been nothing but also might have been something. And if I'm not saying why, it's because I 1: don't know if it's true and 2: don't think it's pro-town to reveal it.

Also damn guys, are we going to reach the 2k posts on the first day lol? I leave for some hours and it's catch-up o'clock again.

[BananaCucho]

Banana and Sen have been bashing heads for a while now, and the argument isn't even progressing any more. F for the people catching up lol.

Remind you of a game with me and you? lol

[yzb25]

Remind you of a game with me and you? lol

It does actually. That's part of what is making this whole experience so traumatic for me lol.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Frinckles is opportunistic and Galeon is a sheep. What's to address?

This is probably the first inherently scummy post I've seen from Sen. Frinckles is opportunistic, but that's somehow ok? He went from "I'm bored" to "GO GO GO ALL CLAIM OR DIE" with zero progression and in no time, but that's ok? ...what about no? +scumpoints

And hm, Ganelon being a sheep is not really true. He's just less spammy than you all (@ganelon how times have changed lol), but he did give original thoughs. His meta insight on Light and myself, for example, went really unnoticed, yet is pretty important because he knows both of us well enough for it to be useful. I do admit I do not know much about his global reads, though.

[BananaCucho]

It does actually. That's part of what is making this whole experience so traumatic for me lol.

I aint suiciding this time. Sorry not sorry lol

[Marshmallow Marshall]

It does actually. That's part of what is making this whole experience so traumatic for me lol.

Banana is causing the most fun form of mafia PTSD atm

[BananaCucho]

BananaCucho
Posts 150
Varcron
Posts 140
Light_Yagami
Posts 136
Ganelon
Posts 120
Sen
Posts 117
yzb25
Posts 109
Frinckles
Posts 100
SuperJack
Posts 88
Marshmallow Marshall
Posts 81
Gyrlander
Posts 81
renegade
Posts 53
secondpassing
Posts 19
theoneceko
Posts 16
deathworlds

Treecko does have 16 posts... any normal game thats enough to not be replaced

Also, I think I may have a problem

[Sen]

Frinckles is opportunistic, but that's somehow ok?

Yes. He's a benign, and like I said; he'll side with the town or I'll chop his head right away.

Banana is anti-town scum.

[BananaCucho]

Oops, left out my posts, silly mobile copy paste

Total Posts 1,564
Who Posted?

Posts 352
BananaCucho

Posts 150
Varcron

Posts 140
Light_Yagami

Posts 136
Ganelon

Posts 121
Sen

Posts 117
yzb25

Posts 109
Frinckles

Posts 100
SuperJack

Posts 89
Marshmallow Marshall

Posts 81
Gyrlander

Posts 81
renegade

Posts 53
secondpassing

Posts 19
theoneceko

Posts 16
deathworlds

19 posts by Treecko

[Marshmallow Marshall]

No, you're changing my words

I am voting you because you are acting strange in my eyes, not because i'm terrified of you being pocketted.

So, you're basically voting him because his play is not orthodox enough? For someone who feels like veterans are a bit like intolerant dictators who decide of what kind of play is good and what kind of play isn't, and then lynch those who do not fit in, your tolerance to fancy/chaotic plays that do work (look at the amount of meaningful discussion this all generated) is pretty low...
My conclusion is that you either do not really believe what you say about the "veteran meta", or that you are just purely and simply scum. Which one do you choose? :^)

[Sen]

Posts 352
BananaCucho

So you have 52 posts and couldn't find a single one where you did something meaningful for the town. Talk about building a case against yourself.

[Sen]

So you have 352 posts and couldn't find a single one where you did something meaningful for the town. Talk about building a case against yourself.

..

[BananaCucho]

So you have 52 posts and couldn't find a single one where you did something meaningful for the town. Talk about building a case against yourself.

I could if I wanted to, but why bother? I put together evidence that the votes on me are based off of my chaotic play yesterday and you dismissed it. Why waste my time doing something else for you when you'll dismiss that too?

[Sen]

I could if I wanted to, but why bother? I put together evidence that the votes on me are based off of my chaotic play yesterday and you dismissed it. Why waste my time doing something else for you when you'll dismiss that too?

Cry me a river.

[secondpassing]

This is probably the first inherently scummy post I've seen from Sen. Frinckles is opportunistic, but that's somehow ok? He went from "I'm bored" to "GO GO GO ALL CLAIM OR DIE" with zero progression and in no time, but that's ok? ...what about no? +scumpoints

And hm, Ganelon being a sheep is not really true. He's just less spammy than you all (@ganelon how times have changed lol), but he did give original thoughs. His meta insight on Light and myself, for example, went really unnoticed, yet is pretty important because he knows both of us well enough for it to be useful. I do admit I do not know much about his global reads, though.

He changes with the wind... now why...

[BananaCucho]

MM sees it. Zeb sees it. Sen refuses to see it because i
he's stuck in a tunnel. It is what it is.

leftovers for dinner tonight. What about you guys?

[BananaCucho]

Cry me a river.

[Varcron]

So, you're basically voting him because his play is not orthodox enough? For someone who feels like veterans are a bit like intolerant dictators who decide of what kind of play is good and what kind of play isn't, and then lynch those who do not fit in, your tolerance to fancy/chaotic plays that do work (look at the amount of meaningful discussion this all generated) is pretty low...
My conclusion is that you either do not really believe what you say about the "veteran meta", or that you are just purely and simply scum. Which one do you choose? :^)

I never said that

I said something about his posts makes me feel goofy, conjure up where I brought up veteran meta in this game

The play works, but that doesn't mean it isn't a strange thing to do in this sort of game (in MY opinion)

[Gyrlander]

Oops, left out my posts, silly mobile copy paste

Total Posts 1,564
Who Posted?

Posts 352
BananaCucho

Posts 150
Varcron

Posts 140
Light_Yagami

Posts 136
Ganelon

Posts 121
Sen

Posts 117
yzb25

Posts 109
Frinckles

Posts 100
SuperJack

Posts 89
Marshmallow Marshall

Posts 81
Gyrlander

Posts 81
renegade

Posts 53
secondpassing

Posts 19
theoneceko

Posts 16
deathworlds

19 posts by Treecko

352 posts stop cluttering the thread you *****

[BananaCucho]

352 posts stop cluttering the thread you *****

Fight me

[secondpassing]

You’re next after Frinckles btw

Didn't you lean town on him 10 posts ago?

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Scum is anti-town. You are being anti town because you are scum.

OH NO, SUPERJACK HAS FALLEN! He's calling people scummy because "they're scum" now. What are we gonna do?!?!?!?!
but seriously, your case against Banana isn't exactly good.

Ok. Kind of caught up, although my brain is still wishing to be asleep.

Banana, you are pretending that the votes on you are due to the whole TPR fishing of yesterday -just like yesterday you tried to make it lok like we were policy lynching you-.

While you pushing on the low-hanging fruit is indeed a part of the read, the fact is that you haven't changed anything since; tons of fluff and random buddying since we started voting you, followed by feigned indifference (which is scummy as fuck, because a town player would never let themselves get lynched nor allow others to waste time voting them), and now when it's landed that you are really being lynched today, you engage panic mode and jump into a train of the only player who has a chance of matching the amount of votes on you.

[COLOR="#FF8C00]Gecko has commited the heinous crime of not being towny, though. He has also not been very active. Oh, and he didn't scream town like he did last game, far from it. Low hanging fruits can be red, you know.[/COLOR]
Yet still tons of content too. You cannot accuse him of lacking content, and as long as content is dominating, some fun is just fun in my opinion. Do you disagree? As for "feigned indifference", if you think it's feigned, then you can't accuse him of actually being indifferent and say he's scummy because of it... Oh, and it is just not true that scum want to survive less than town, so unless you're calling Banana a Jester King, this is a fallacy: you are excluding what isn't to be excluded.

I don't like Sen so much atm.

[Ganelon]

Didn't you lean town on him 10 posts ago?

I said I had no opinion on Varcron

[yzb25]

Yes. He's a benign, and like I said; he'll side with the town or I'll chop his head right away.

Banana is anti-town scum.

You can't seriously think sleuths giddily partake in mass roleclaim trains that risk pissing off powerful alignments and could also obviously totally backfire on the sleuth.

[Ganelon]

I’ve also stated a while back that I scumread Varcron (a few IRL days ago)

[Marshmallow Marshall]

My vote on Light has very little impact on the game as of now, so I think I'll just move on to what is now another scumread.

-vote Sen

Note that I'm still very open to lynching Light and Renegade. I also have an eye on Varcron, but not enough to say I'd push him.

[secondpassing]

I said I had no opinion on Varcron

then why do you want to kill him?

[Ganelon]

I’d be more tempted to believe that SJ is scum rather than Sen. I think Sen is just in a death tunnel

[Ganelon]

then why do you want to kill him?

Because he’s being apathetic as fuck and his reasons to vote Banana seemed like bs to me

[Marshmallow Marshall]

He changes with the wind... now why...

Perhaps because the post is actually scummy for the reasons I'm putting in my replies?

[Ganelon]

Plus, I’d argue he claimed his role waaaaaay too quickly

[Varcron]

My vote on Light has very little impact on the game as of now, so I think I'll just move on to what is now another scumread.

-vote Sen

Note that I'm still very open to lynching Light and Renegade. I also have an eye on Varcron, but not enough to say I'd push him.

I don't really know if I am on the right side with my vote currently, the past few pages have put some doubt in me when it comes to my thoughts, so my vote will be put away for now

Time to re read some more

-vote unvote

[secondpassing]

I’ve also stated a while back that I scumread Varcron (a few IRL days ago)

Oh you just posted this.

You know, I'm having a hard time figuring out what you believe in. Is it because you haven't formed an opinion on anything yet?
Like you say one thing and another thing and then get swayed by the most simple of comments.

[BananaCucho]

I’d be more tempted to believe that SJ is scum rather than Sen. I think Sen is just in a death tunnel

Agreed.

[Ganelon]

My vote on Light has very little impact on the game as of now, so I think I'll just move on to what is now another scumread.

-vote Sen

Note that I'm still very open to lynching Light and Renegade. I also have an eye on Varcron, but not enough to say I'd push him.

Why Renegade? Renegade is significantly townie than last game.

[Varcron]

Plus, I’d argue he claimed his role waaaaaay too quickly

I only claimed after I was at L-2 or L3 (Forget which, sorry) because I don't know about y'all but I'd rather not get lynched D1 in a turbo train.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

I’m actually starting to suspect the train on Banana is scum driven.

I do believe there is a bunch of evils on it, but probably more a bunch of opportunistic solo evils than an organized scum team, i.e. I don't believe there's a cult team driving the train.

[Ganelon]

Oh you just posted this.

You know, I'm having a hard time figuring out what you believe in. Is it because you haven't formed an opinion on anything yet?
Like you say one thing and another thing and then get swayed by the most simple of comments.

I admit I’m guilty of that. But I dont think there’s many people scumreading Varcron...

[Varcron]

I do believe there is a bunch of evils on it, but probably more a bunch of opportunistic solo evils than an organized scum team, i.e. I don't believe there's a cult team driving the train.

If there were a cult they would only benefit from a skip, there shouldn't be any organized cult yet (unless DW messed with us hardcore)

[secondpassing]

Varcron is apethetic, but so are you Ganelon.

If I'm reading you correctly, you've failed to put yourself into his shoes. Your two opening comments are similar. An expression of fear against the setup, and unease at what sort of role you have been given.
I'm thinking you have a neutral evil scum rolecard, and are just hoping that you're actually a lunatic but don't want to commit to it because what if you're not a lunatic after all and you'd be gamethrowing for yourself?

[Sen]

Yet still tons of content too.

Same thing I asked him to do: show me a single one of his posts where he's helped the town in a meaningful way.

You cannot accuse him of lacking content, and as long as content is dominating, some fun is just fun in my opinion. Do you disagree?

I clearly stated in one of my cases against him that shitposting at the start can be ignored, so that it doesn't matter much on its own.

As for "feigned indifference", if you think it's feigned, then you can't accuse him of actually being indifferent and say he's scummy because of it... Oh, and it is just not true that scum want to survive less than town, so unless you're calling Banana a Jester King, this is a fallacy: you are excluding what isn't to be excluded.

???

[Sen]

My vote on Light has very little impact on the game as of now, so I think I'll just move on to what is now another scumread.

-vote Sen

Note that I'm still very open to lynching Light and Renegade. I also have an eye on Varcron, but not enough to say I'd push him.

Make a proper case against me or fuck off with that useless vote.

[Varcron]

Varcron is apethetic, but so are you Ganelon.

If I'm reading you correctly, you've failed to put yourself into his shoes. Your two opening comments are similar. An expression of fear against the setup, and unease at what sort of role you have been given.
I'm thinking you have a neutral evil scum rolecard, and are just hoping that you're actually a lunatic but don't want to commit to it because what if you're not a lunatic after all and you'd be gamethrowing for yourself?

I'm not sure if some of that was directed towards me so i'll answer a little bit. This setup is innately built to mess with our heads, and I don't like not knowing the one constant in my life in FM (a rolecard). My game is to watch and see like I have for most of my early games.

[Marshmallow Marshall]

Why Renegade? Renegade is significantly townie than last game.

How is he townier? I've already detailed my scumread on him in a reply to Secondpassing's case against him, but here are the main points:

- He pushes people a bit, but never follows it up, never commits, never actually brings info out of the pushes.
- He seems to be concerned mostly about his survival; he has to be pushed at for him to actually participate and at least try to look like he's contributing.
- He just throws discredits (and insults) at anyone who disagrees with him or attacks him.