S-FM 299: Insanity 2: the Second One, Gamethread

[Gyrlander]

Vi una columna de luz, mas brillante que el sol, directamente arriba de mi cabeza, y este luz gradualmente descendio hasta descansar sobre mi

Al reposar sobre mi la luz, vi en el aire arriba de mi, a dos personajes, cuyo fulgor y gloria no admiten descripcion

Uno de ellos me hablo, llamandome por mi nombre, y dijo, señalando al otro "Banana, este es mi hijo amado. Escuchalo"

I saw a column of light, brighter than the sun, directly above my head, and this light gradually descended until it rested above me.

As it rested on me, I saw in the air above me, two characters, whose glare and glory do not admit description.

One of them talked to me, calling my name, and said, pointing to the other "Banana, this is my beloved child. Listen to him.

[Gyrlander]

BTW I need to fuck off soon because I'm quite busy. I've like 30 mins

Oh god I read "I need to fuck soon".

[Ganelon]

Oh god I read "I need to fuck soon".

if only

[secondpassing]

if only

You gonna claim Ganelon?

[Ganelon]

You gonna claim Ganelon?

no

[SuperJack]

why not Frinckles?

Banana has the intelligence not to claim or to push for claims. Yet did not.

Banana claimed to not read the setup and claim that because of this, this is town.

Later on, then asks simple questions about the roles.

Fills the game up with a ton of fluff. Making it more difficult to play.

Has been flirting with multiple people. Daring people to lynch him, claiming it's crazy WiFom.

None of this is good for town.

[secondpassing]

no

Then why did you ask other people to do so?

[SuperJack]

You gonna claim Ganelon?

You asking for claims? Why?

[Varcron]

You asking for claims? Why?

All claims do currently is make people good SK or cult targets (assuming we have a cult) but more likely SK target/RK target

[Ganelon]

Then why did you ask other people to do so?

TBH I thought it was a good idea at the very beginning. The idea being that you could use the info to confirm your own role.
lastly, because its a simple way of pushing someone. you find out who's willing to vote who and what people do under pressure.

[BananaCucho]

Banana has the intelligence not to claim or to push for claims. Yet did not.

Banana claimed to not read the setup and claim that because of this, this is town.

Later on, then asks simple questions about the roles.

Fills the game up with a ton of fluff. Making it more difficult to play.

Has been flirting with multiple people. Daring people to lynch him, claiming it's crazy WiFom.

None of this is good for town.

Counterpoint

All of this is good for town

[secondpassing]

TBH I thought it was a good idea at the very beginning. The idea being that you could use the info to confirm your own role.
lastly, because its a simple way of pushing someone. you find out who's willing to vote who and what people do under pressure.

But then you changed your mind?
I'm reading that as if those reasons sound very logical to you.
What changed your mind?

_____

While we're having this discussion, how do you feel about Varcron and his posts?

[Ganelon]

-vote BananaCucho

I'm fine with this train.

[secondpassing]

-vote Ganelon

wtf

[BananaCucho]

-vote BananaCucho

I'm fine with this train.

What the hell

[SuperJack]

-vote Ganelon

wtf

You spelt banana wrong.

[secondpassing]

Got another 4 (or 2 for those tryhards) pages to go. Guess I was more interested in responding to Banana in these pages.

-unvote

There's a reason for this, I'm just not gonna say it out loud. I'll let yzb start being paranoid trying to figure out why instead.

I can come up with reasons.

lol Kira is quite a personality. This same personality found 2/3 the scum team last game and nobody believed him cause I cc'd and was the "town read veteran" who had up until then been "scum hunting and leading town"

He's low hanging fruit. He's stubborn. Shame on anyone seriously scum reading him right now.

Humans are afraid of the unknown, it's hard to know what he's thinking.
Thankfully, I'm less afraid of the unknown than most people, but the thing is 50% isn't good enough.
His posts are of the yeeting quality.

Vaccuums observation last game is coming true again this game. The "big dog veterans" with loud voices are rhe ones being town read, believed, and heard, while the new or "different" players like Renae and Kira are being set up as easy lynch targets. Its kinda ridiculous.

It's not ridiculous. Deception is a game played by at least two people. Someone has to hide information/lie, and the other person needs to accept it.
Since the new players haven't tailored their message, those that are scum are not very deceptive. You can get new players that just know what to say, but those are few and far in between.

More experienced players have developed their language and mafia skills so it becomes harder to navigate the deception game with them.
One can, it just takes more time.

Which is why I focus on intent. The intent is harder to hide if one doesn't change their persona.

______

Stuff that might not make sense to you:
Especially this lobby, there are a lot of players I had a good chance of vibing with. As long, or for a long while anyway, it'll be difficult for me to catch them, but in the meantime, if they want to sustain their persona
and their vibe- it'll cost their scum play. When they inevitably need to change their feelings, that's when they get noticed. It's how I catch scum most games anyway.

Back in my day people had balls to call out veteran players that were "scum hunting" or "reaction testing". Its so damn easy here for a veteran scum to pretend to be town because nobody reads correctly.

So uh, help me out. Which of the veterans are scum? I'm sure there's one.

How did you get that from what I said? If anything, those who went along with the craziness for certain people, yet not for others should be examined. Galeon for example voted secondguessing and yzb. He was willing to out up everyone. Pringles though skipped over secondguessing qnd egged us on, wanting to "chinese fire drill" others, and is now throwing me under the bus for something he encouraged.

Ganelon is indeed an oddity. He said he was against a mass claim, then jumped right on it right after like a singular post from you begging him on.

[Ganelon]

Spoiler : post :

But then you changed your mind?
I'm reading that as if those reasons sound very logical to you.
What changed your mind?

_____

While we're having this discussion, how do you feel about Varcron and his posts?

I'm reading that as if those reasons sound very logical to you.
What changed your mind?

It's possible for cult to get info about roles this way

[secondpassing]

I think that's not AI for Renegade unfortunately....

Spoiler : I purposefully left you a convenient short summary under that to quote you could have used it :

I have no meta on renegade.

Tell me what is then. What is AI for renegade?

Is he town?

[Ganelon]

Got another 4 (or 2 for those tryhards) pages to go. Guess I was more interested in responding to Banana in these pages.



I can come up with reasons.



Humans are afraid of the unknown, it's hard to know what he's thinking.
Thankfully, I'm less afraid of the unknown than most people, but the thing is 50% isn't good enough.
His posts are of the yeeting quality.



It's not ridiculous. Deception is a game played by at least two people. Someone has to hide information/lie, and the other person needs to accept it.
Since the new players haven't tailored their message, those that are scum are not very deceptive. You can get new players that just know what to say, but those are few and far in between.

More experienced players have developed their language and mafia skills so it becomes harder to navigate the deception game with them.
One can, it just takes more time.

Which is why I focus on intent. The intent is harder to hide if one doesn't change their persona.

______

Stuff that might not make sense to you:
Especially this lobby, there are a lot of players I had a good chance of vibing with. As long, or for a long while anyway, it'll be difficult for me to catch them, but in the meantime, if they want to sustain their persona
and their vibe- it'll cost their scum play. When they inevitably need to change their feelings, that's when they get noticed. It's how I catch scum most games anyway.



So uh, help me out. Which of the veterans are scum? I'm sure there's one.



Ganelon is indeed an oddity. He said he was against a mass claim, then jumped right on it right after like a singular post from you begging him on.

I don't remember being against a mass claim until after it (partially) happened.

[BananaCucho]

Got another 4 (or 2 for those tryhards) pages to go. Guess I was more interested in responding to Banana in these pages.



I can come up with reasons.



Humans are afraid of the unknown, it's hard to know what he's thinking.
Thankfully, I'm less afraid of the unknown than most people, but the thing is 50% isn't good enough.
His posts are of the yeeting quality.



It's not ridiculous. Deception is a game played by at least two people. Someone has to hide information/lie, and the other person needs to accept it.
Since the new players haven't tailored their message, those that are scum are not very deceptive. You can get new players that just know what to say, but those are few and far in between.

More experienced players have developed their language and mafia skills so it becomes harder to navigate the deception game with them.
One can, it just takes more time.

Which is why I focus on intent. The intent is harder to hide if one doesn't change their persona.

______

Stuff that might not make sense to you:
Especially this lobby, there are a lot of players I had a good chance of vibing with. As long, or for a long while anyway, it'll be difficult for me to catch them, but in the meantime, if they want to sustain their persona
and their vibe- it'll cost their scum play. When they inevitably need to change their feelings, that's when they get noticed. It's how I catch scum most games anyway.



So uh, help me out. Which of the veterans are scum? I'm sure there's one.



Ganelon is indeed an oddity. He said he was against a mass claim, then jumped right on it right after like a singular post from you begging him on.

Galeon advocated for a mass claim before I did

[BananaCucho]

Galeon how could you do this to me

[Ganelon]

Spoiler : I purposefully left you a convenient short summary under that to quote you could have used it :

I have no meta on renegade.

Tell me what is then. What is AI for renegade?

Is he town?

Renegade's the kind of guy who I'd see attacking e.g. "veteran" players (as a non-veteran player). Secondly, many of his posts contained personal attacks (of some degree) or ATEs. I don't think that's an indication of his alignment - not to say that he's town, just that I don't think he's scum for that reason.

[BananaCucho]

I feel pretty personally betrayed and deflated rn. I wasmt expecting the Galeon vote

[secondpassing]

You spelt banana wrong.

I find it odd that you start the game with a confusing play and now find it odd that someone else continued the game with a confusing play.

[Ganelon]

I feel pretty personally betrayed and deflated rn. I wasmt expecting the Galeon vote

you could always convince me to vote Frinckles instead :P

[Ganelon]

I find it odd that you start the game with a confusing play and now find it odd that someone else continued the game with a confusing play.

I was thinking about the exact same thing.

[BananaCucho]

you could always convince me to vote Frinckles instead :P

No Im thinking of getting people to vote you instead. I dont get your vote. Everyone is voting me for the stunt that you and I pulled together.

[BananaCucho]

You were my partner in crime

Yet only I'll do the time

[Ganelon]

meh. the truth of the matter is that in some games I'm extremely inconsistent. I change my mind often and am sometimes incoherent. this unfortunately is one of these games.
I want to see how this train develops bc it looks very high-stake to me.

[SuperJack]

I find it odd that you start the game with a confusing play and now find it odd that someone else continued the game with a confusing play.

My play wasn't confusing. Discussion needed boosting, attention needed to be drawn to the setup, ways to read people needed attention since it's not normal mafia. I had a debate on lynching D1. That is not confusing play.

[Sen]

Spoiler : banana :

Morning.

[secondpassing]

Spoiler : banana :

Morning.

You're going to need that coffee/tea.

[BananaCucho]

meh. the truth of the matter is that in some games I'm extremely inconsistent. I change my mind often and am sometimes incoherent. this unfortunately is one of these games.
I want to see how this train develops bc it looks very high-stake to me.

Develops? Most of the votes from putting me up to L-2 in the merry-go-round chaos claim vote are still there. There'a nothing more to develop.

[Sen]

You're going to need that coffee/tea.

Most definitely. Be back in a bit.

[SuperJack]

Spoiler : banana :

Morning.

Morning

[BananaCucho]

@all

If you're going to punish me for what went down yesterday, fine. I've long accepted that.

But lynch Galeon next. Punish him as well.

[Ganelon]

Develops? Most of the votes from putting me up to L-2 in the merry-go-round chaos claim vote are still there. There'a nothing more to develop.

actually fuck it if I'm voting in the direction I think needs voting then fuck

-vote Frinckles

not moving my vote. Frinckles was much more of a snake than anyone else, and like I said has been playing his scum meta to a T.
lastly, I think secondpassing is town bc he seems to be scumhunting
and I think Kira is scum, and that Frinckles is lying about Kira being town.

[Ganelon]

@all

If you're going to punish me for what went down yesterday, fine. I've long accepted that.

But lynch Galeon next. Punish him as well.

sorry
vote Frinckles with me

[SuperJack]

@all

If you're going to punish me for what went down yesterday, fine. I've long accepted that.

But lynch Galeon next. Punish him as well.

Wow, you really trying to advertise to players emotional sides? SCUM.

[BananaCucho]

Galeon: I got dis great idea Banana, lets run people up for mass claim

Galeon: Lets Banana take the blame for it

Also Galeon: now die banana

[Ganelon]

Frinckles needs lynching

[BananaCucho]

sorry
vote Frinckles with me

Look at my fuckin vote you weeb

[BananaCucho]

Wow, you really trying to advertise to players emotional sides? SCUM.

Always. Its one of my best tools

[Ganelon]

Wow, you really trying to advertise to players emotional sides? SCUM.

I think Frinckles is much worse bc Frinckles supported a mass-claim rather apathetically, from the sides. and I think Frinckles is objectively scummier

[BananaCucho]

I think Frinckles is much worse bc Frinckles supported a mass-claim rather apathetically, from the sides. and I think Frinckles is objectively scummier

You're a fish

[BananaCucho]

Galeon playing with my emotions

[Gyrlander]

I admit Ganelon suddenly voting Banana is weird. You were all buddy buddy yesterday

[Ganelon]

so:
Town - Sen, MM, yzb, secondpassing
Scum - Light, Frinckles
is where I stand

[Ganelon]

You're a fish

you're a lemur