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  1. #1901

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    I think the fundamental disconnect is you seem to want people to treat it as their true current reads list, but the players don’t care and just manipulate it to serve whatever purpose they want. Like for it to work exactly as you want it, it seems like you’d need to get people to agree not to intentionally fuck with it
    Have you ever heard the tragedy of Darth Jar Jar the wise?

  2. #1902

    Re: S-FM

    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus View Post
    I think the fundamental disconnect is you seem to want people to treat it as their true current reads list, but the players dont care and just manipulate it to serve whatever purpose they want. Like for it to work exactly as you want it, it seems like youd need to get people to agree not to intentionally fuck with it
    People are definitely uncomfortable with not letting their #1 scum read escape into the next day. Even if their #3 is at the top.

    But yeah, you're right. Fucking with the votes defeats the purpose. I can't think of anything else besides like only revealing top 3 or something. But then people would still fuck with the votes.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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  6. #1906

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    Someone asked for a hint in the signup thread and it took all of my self control to not say its very vanilla
    You should have given us some other kind of hint.

    also good morning octane!

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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  8. #1908

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    Regarding condorcet, I think having some numbers to indicate how many votes are required to move a player to a different slot in the list would make the whole thing feel much more transparent. Then you'd actually know whether you're dealing with a proper train or it's just individual votes that randomly resulted in a player becoming #1.

  9. #1909
    Ganelon
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    Re: S-FM

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Maybe what I need to get around to doing is to implement a timeline to see how over all rankings have changed given each vote input.
    If you want something graphical you can do this in R btw
    with Shiny, which is basically a web server for hosting R apps

  10. #1910
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM

    R is painfully slow however so youd have to do most of the coding in JS or Java

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  13. #1913
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM

    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    Regarding condorcet, I think having some numbers to indicate how many votes are required to move a player to a different slot in the list would make the whole thing feel much more transparent. Then you'd actually know whether you're dealing with a proper train or it's just individual votes that randomly resulted in a player becoming #1.
    This actually gave me an idea. Instead of having the boy scrape the thread for new votes, you could add some buttons to the website that players have to click to vote, and so the vote gets registered. That might make the whole process significantly smoother and less susceptible to bad internet syndrome

  14. #1914
    Ganelon
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    Re: S-FM

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    Happy birthday @Magoroth
    Aww thanks man

  15. #1915

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenny View Post
    Regarding condorcet, I think having some numbers to indicate how many votes are required to move a player to a different slot in the list would make the whole thing feel much more transparent. Then you'd actually know whether you're dealing with a proper train or it's just individual votes that randomly resulted in a player becoming #1.
    to a "different" slot? or to the number one slot?

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  16. #1916

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    If you want something graphical you can do this in R btw
    with Shiny, which is basically a web server for hosting R apps
    help please.

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    This actually gave me an idea. Instead of having the boy scrape the thread for new votes, you could add some buttons to the website that players have to click to vote, and so the vote gets registered. That might make the whole process significantly smoother and less susceptible to bad internet syndrome
    what website, sc2mafia.com?

    we're a long ways from making edits to forum code.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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  19. #1919
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM

    Thanks

  20. #1920

    Re: S-FM

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    Stealth, you realize you just made history right
    This is gonna go down as one of the trolliest games on this site, right there next to the Reality Bender setup
    Bahaha exactly and that's why this game was magnificent

    GG everyone, especially you @Gyrlander for solving this game pretty fast.
    There was the trolly side of the game, sure, but there also was the very instructive side : people WILL suspect eachother like paranoids even if they're all town. There was a huge net of suspicions in this game, and all of them were purely TvT with absolutely no evil deeds. We even had fakeclaims! Blood messiahs, "I have secret info", all of that was just completely fake and made by townies. Nobody will see the next games the same way they had seen the previous ones if they learn from this one, myself included.
    Spoiler : Quotes :
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Hey peter View Post
    There are two wolves inside you. One is addicted to crack. The other one is also addicted to crack. You are addicted to crack.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    MM IS AN ANTI-VAXXER
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Mallow are you really an anti vaxxer
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    God is a goofy loser.

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  23. #1923

    Re: S-FM

    Well, I'm sad there wasnt scum. And it feels like a mafia social experiment youd think you could be in, but wouldnt expect it.

    If anything, I'm glad I have a better understanding of town metas from various players.

    I think there's a big write-up I could make about using town apathy to form a town core somewhere in the confusion we all felt day two -- but I'll leave that for another time.

  24. #1924

    Re: S-FM

    Should I fuck with people by going back and forth between the third person and first person? Or is that hypocritical bc I vote people for not being pro town game solvy.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  25. #1925
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Should I fuck with people by going back and forth between the third person and first person? Or is that hypocritical bc I vote people for not being pro town game solvy.
    I dont think thats a tell...
    i remember reading somewhere that cues like usage of personal pronouns and whatnot are the LEAST reliable indicator of truthfulness and yet people use them all the time

  26. #1926

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    I don’t think that’s a tell...
    i remember reading somewhere that cues like usage of personal pronouns and whatnot are the LEAST reliable indicator of truthfulness and yet people use them all the time
    Lies. The amount of "crocodile dundee > you" in someone's post is worse when used as an indicator.
    Using "grammar tells" and saying someone uses "scum syntax" might not be the strongest tool in a townie's kit, but they can still be tools if used correctly, just like meta. I do agree that those tells should not take a big place in people's play, though (unlike meta to some extent).
    Spoiler : Quotes :
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Hey peter View Post
    There are two wolves inside you. One is addicted to crack. The other one is also addicted to crack. You are addicted to crack.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    MM IS AN ANTI-VAXXER
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Mallow are you really an anti vaxxer
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    God is a goofy loser.

  27. #1927
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Lies. The amount of "crocodile dundee > you" in someone's post is worse when used as an indicator.
    Using "grammar tells" and saying someone uses "scum syntax" might not be the strongest tool in a townie's kit, but they can still be tools if used correctly, just like meta. I do agree that those tells should not take a big place in people's play, though (unlike meta to some extent).
    I will look for the source. Its possible Im misremembering it.

  28. #1928
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM

    Scummy syntax sounds dumb though

  29. #1929
    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM

    Sorry but it just does. Things like I or you are not included in as part of syntax btw

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