Originally Posted by
NoctiZ
In essence:
Normal game: Everyone wants to be town read. Lynch the biggest scum reads.
This game: Everyone wants to be scum read. Lynch the biggest town reads.
A non-ahead-thinking scum jester will therefore act as most trustworthy town member so everyone will rally behind their lynch. Scum jester on a WIFOM layer 1 will act scummy as fuck. And down the rabbit hole goes..
I wonder if you played the "I am telling my plan to everyone" card. And when I look at the next posts: PTB is making himself look scummy as fuck early on, and you townread him quite a lot. HOWEVER, you just said RIGHT HERE that only scums were doing that, because towns are townread and therefore lynched ("Lynch the biggest townreads"). It's that kind of stuff that makes me doubt. Your reasonings
seem coherent and towny, but when you analyze the entire train of thoughts, you end up with contradictions.
Originally Posted by
NoctiZ
It should be obvious for everyone from the get-go. All my post says is that logic takes a backseat here. Well, maybe less so if you can accurately gauge everyone's willingness and most importantly their skill at pretending. I barely know most people here to be able to judge accurately.
Also the "seeking-for-approval" style, which CAN be NAI but is also symptomatic of a defensive scum, and without your meta I don't know.
Originally Posted by
NoctiZ
A crier? Wat. Guess we'll see?
With my current reads and my current plan lynching Efekannn is something I could actually get behind.
Would you not agree that AIVION's posts have been very fluffy overall?
Here starts the "AIVION IS FLUFFY!" bullshit. I never understood how the heck you came to that. It really looks like you wanted to scumpaint AIVION to avoid having an obvtown here. And now I'm getting confused because the more I focus on either you or PTB, the more the one I'm focused on is scummy...
Originally Posted by
NoctiZ
It's specific things he said earlier in the game that make me believe that for now. I also don't really see scum playing the way he does currently but I don't know how good blink is, maybe he's just several layers deep, eh?
Another example of the approval play style, but this ain't a strong tell, again.
Originally Posted by
NoctiZ
If you want interaction then riddle me this: Why did Efekannn say the things they did in those two posts and then disappear?
This post. I really don't get the riddle's goal, it just opens the door for conspiracy theories on Efe, and I believe you had a town read on him, so I don't grasp the town intent behind that post.
Originally Posted by
NoctiZ
Not always.
I took it as trolling but didn't want to deny the possibility of some kind of gambit. Nothing noteworthy about that first line I wrote.
It's not RNG when I have two other scum candidates on my list already. If you have reads on everyone else then a read on the last person isn't always necessary.
That's just your opinion of how you think scum would play this setup.
Stop fishing.
Listen, I'm not going to always explain everything I say. That'd be telling what I'm doing with each post and if the intention is clear then the desired effect will not be achieved.
Regarding those reads, there's a big criteria that I'm focusing on for everyone's posts and if I reveal that now it'd be a waste. If you don't see their interactions making them town that's for you to decide. At the moment I'm convinced that SB16 is town and I'm confidently leaning town on blink but I wouldn't bet my life on it. Since we're not in a do-or-die situation I would prefer to avoid playing with an open hand.
You are passively discrediting the fact that AIVION is asking you to elaborate and explain your thoughts and reads, which is literally scum hunting and pro-town. This post was and is still a red flag for me, and it's the main reason I never could put you further than medium-low town read.
Originally Posted by
NoctiZ
Very much have the same read. Want it to be noted.
Oh my, buddying up with PTB. Didn't think that'd ever happen after the last time we played.
I don't like the tone, and it looks like you want to form an associative read with you and PTB? Like, THE EXACT THING I POINTED OUT SOME PAGES AGO? .......
Originally Posted by
NoctiZ
How about lynching PTB? I'd prefer lynching PTB for reasons.
I believe it was S-FM: ????. The one with RLVG as the Reality Bender.
"For reasons". great
Originally Posted by
NoctiZ
So I'm cool with an Efekannn lynch as I mentioned earlier in this game but I see more use in lynching PTB myself. Anyone in agreement or is everyone on the fence about PTB?
Probing for the general consensus before pushing a lynch, this is symptomatic of a cautious scum again, and the more I see posts like that one, the more I find the cautious scum theory likely.
Originally Posted by
NoctiZ
When you can cross out 90% of the words in most of his posts and not lose any value, that's definitely fluff posting.
Trial by fire, that's how we did it back in the day. Stopping with repeating how low your level of experience is would already improve your general play.
That's just ... false.
Originally Posted by
NoctiZ
What I see you doing is write so much stuff that's in many cases just irrelevant and doesn't really contribute anything. That by itself is a null read for me but when you use the frequency and amount you post to hold it over the others then that's a scummy trait. And then MM comes along and backs that up which I find funny really.
Which you find funny? I mean, I see it as a narrative twisting here.
Originally Posted by
NoctiZ
I'm going to leave now. If I had to vote I'd put it on Efekannn with the current vote count looking like that. One of the safer lynches we can do today IMO. Would also still be happy with PTB as well.
I'll be back in a few hours though and don't want any hammer shenanigans on Efekannn so I'll park it on PTB.
-vote PowersThatBe
Laters.
Again, that thing with PTB.
Originally Posted by
NoctiZ
All I'm gonna respond here due to me leaving is that we could still get those reads from him if we removed lots of what he wrote. It's just a lot of fluff.
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Originally Posted by
NoctiZ
Alright, good progress so far. I missed quite a lot of discussion and truth be told I can't be arsed to go back to see if anyone specifically addressed me.
Anyway, blink would be a safe lynch in my eyes today. On the other hand I'd love to keep him around as part of the strong voting core. I wouldn't mind going for one of our more shaky town reads instead of someone that I more solidly believe to be town today. A PTB lynch would still interest me quite a bit.
Again ptb
Originally Posted by
NoctiZ
Distorted is also interesting, I'd be up for that. However I personally see the 2 of 3 scums in MM, AIVION and Distorted more than PTB.
AND THIS APPEARS.
Originally Posted by
NoctiZ
So how is distorted an iffy town read then?
Originally Posted by
NoctiZ
With my as of now refreshed reads I'd rather we vote blink today.
-vote blinkskater
Originally Posted by
NoctiZ
Scum could be voting as well, if scum were the only ones abstaining then that'd point them out. No reason to assume we have to let the timer run out.
Originally Posted by
NoctiZ
I'll only lynch Distorted today if we agree that should he turn out to be scum we'll never lynch blink. That's a compromise I'm willing to make. Because I'm sure if we lynched blink today and he turned out to be scum then Distorted would not be considered for a lynch by anyone. I do fear that if we lynch them the other way around.
So, that bunch of posts, when analyzed with the knowledge given by Distorted's flip, are really looking like you want to set up his lynch while having an easy escape for the next day.
Originally Posted by
NoctiZ
Do you guys wanna talk more or want me to hammer now?
Originally Posted by
PowersThatBe
Hammer
Originally Posted by
NoctiZ
The hammer falls.
Originally Posted by
NoctiZ
If you were to evaluate what I did and what I said this game, PTB, at what conclusion do you arrive?
I'll try to evaluate your playstyle so far and see if I can say that you are town beyond a reasonable doubt. The problem for both remaining town players however is that the best move is to convince the other to vote oneself because it's the safest move from their respective POVs. Tricky situation.
Blink, what's your judgement on this?
How is the situation tricky from your POV if you think that beyond reasonable doubt, he's town?
Originally Posted by
NoctiZ
This is the chronological post progression, just a few excerpts. I was the first one to advocate the blink lynch (because it was the obvious progression as well) and blink turned it to Distorted. The last post possibly hinting at the idea that we'd still lynch blink if Distorted flipped scum.
I relented to a Distorted lynch after making it clear that it's a blink and Distorted combination in that scenario but now we're at the point where blink still seems like a good lynch despite everything.
So either way, you can accuse me of sheeping for all I care but I feel like you are being manipulating right now, PTB. Makes you scummier in my book.
That, I can get along it. And those posts are balancing the scumminess of the other posts: I have a quite similar train of thoughts about PTB's plays.
Originally Posted by
NoctiZ
You can consider it, but if you look at the facts there shouldn't be a drastically different conclusion you can arrive at. From that I conclude the possibility that you're influencing MM to vote you up because you're actually the scum role. Is that not reasonable of me to consider?
I would like you to notice that you are AT LEAST as wordy as AIVION, by the way. Yet you said AIVION was fluffy, and scumread him for it a lot back in time.