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    S-FM Sengoku Jidai (13P)

    Samurai
    Samurai
    Samurai
    Samurai
    Samurai
    Samurai
    Hidden Samurai (Killing)
    Hidden Samurai (TPR)
    Hidden Samurai (TPR)

    Daimyo (Godfather)
    Hidden Oda Killing
    Hidden Oda Support


    Hidden Any

    Role Cards
    Spoiler : Town Roles :

    Spoiler : Samurai (Citizen/Vanilla Townie) :
    You are a landed retainer of the Shogun's Court, firely supporting the Ashikaga clan.
    You have no special abilities.



    Spoiler : Captain (Jailor) :
    You are a high ranking officer in the Shogun's Personal Guard, tasked with security from internal threats.

    You can jail a player during the day, opening an anonymous night chat with them that lasts for a single night.

    You can optionally execute your jailed captive. You have only one execution.



    Spoiler : Geisha (Escort/Roleblocker) :
    You are an entertainer at the Shogun's court, using your charm to discreetly eliminate threats to the his rule.

    You may roleblock someone at night. Your may use your ability twice per game.



    Spoiler : Herald (Crier) :
    You are a loud-mouthed servant of the Emperor, relaying the news to the court.

    You may post an anonymous message to be displayed during the ensuing day. You may not reveal your identity in the post.



    Spoiler : Iko-Ikki Monk (Vigilante) :
    You are a Buddhist monk, trained in the martial arts and in archery, skillfully eliminating any threats to the Shogun's rule.

    You may kill a player at night. You can only kill once per game.



    Spoiler : Auditor (Coroner) :


    You may recover a dead player's last will at night, in addition to learning their alignment and role.




    Spoiler : Mafia Roles :

    Spoiler : Daimyo (Godfather) :
    You are the leader of the Oda clan, secretly plotting to seize power and become Shogun.

    You have no special abilities.

    Spoiler : Assassin (One-shot Mafioso/Mafia Vigilante -OR- Disguiser) :
    You are a stealthy mercenary, employed by the Oda clan to silence political enemies.

    You may kill a player at night once per game.

    If the setup is anonymous, upon killing your target you will swap your role, last will and identity (account) with them.


    Spoiler : Master of Ceremonies (Incense Master/Janitor) :
    You are an Oda monk, supervising rituals and palace ceremonies.

    You may clear a player's role at night, preventing their role from being revealed in the event of their death. This effect lasts for one day and one night. You may only use your ability once.


    Spoiler : Warden (Kidnapper/Mafia Jailor) :
    You are a corrupt retainer of the Oda clan, using your contacts and influence to secretly detain targets of interest.

    You can jail a player during the day, opening an anonymous night chat with them that lasts for a single night.

    You can optionally execute your jailed captive. You have only one execution.


    Spoiler : Oda Kuge (Blackmailer) :
    You are a local nobleman, secretly supporting the Oda clan's struggle for power.

    Target one player at night, demanding they do something.

    Restrictions:
    The demand cannot specify a result - only that the player does something. So for example, blackmailing a player into lynching
    someone else is not allowed, but blackmailing them into pushing someone is.
    The demand cannot impose a time restriction.
    A player cannot be blackmailed into saying that they are blackmailed.


    The player must meet the demand the following day.
    The player cannot reveal they were blackmailed.
    A player that does not meet the demand will die at the end of the day.
    Upon dying, the roles of the players you have visited is revealed to the town.


    Spoiler : Oda Geisha (Consort/Mafia Roleblocker) :
    You are an entertainer at the Shogun's court, secretly using your charm to overthrow the Ashikaga.

    You may role block someone at night. You may use your ability twice per game.


    Spoiler : Ventriloquist :


    You may assume control of a player's account during the night, gaining the ability to talk from their account during the following day.

    You may do this twice.





    Spoiler : Neutral Roles :


    Spoiler : Blacksmith :
    You are a renowned craftsman, forging swords for profit.

    You may craft a one-use Sword.


    Spoiler : Ronin (Student/Lover) :
    You are a landless, masterless samurai willing to pledge your allegiance to anyone.

    You may pick a target on Night 0. You can optionally use your day ability to protect your master from being lynched. One charge.

    You and your master share an anonymous night chat.

    Your master must survive to the end. You do not need to survive to the end.

    If your Master dies, you become a Dishonored Ronin.


    Spoiler : Dishonored Ronin (Jester/Vengeful/Ghost) :


    *CANNOT SPAWN AT GAME START*

    You win if you are lynched during the day.



    Spoiler : Tormentor :


    You are a demented individual, seeking to torment his chosen victim for all eternity.

    Goal: Receive a random person as a target. You and your target must be the last remaining living players in the game. The Tormentor is considered a side of his own, thus the game will not end until he wins or is killed.

    Ability: You can torment your target in two ways, one is by sending anonymous one-way messages to your victim during the day (by PMing the FM master). The other is you can decide to jail him. While in jail your target is roleblocked and protected from death, you can chat with your victim while he is in your holding cell.

    Events: If your target dies at night your new target will be the first one who killed him, you will of course know who it is. If your target is lynched during the day your new target will be randomly selected out of the voters or be the hammer vote (depending on setup), but you won't be able to jail the new target that night even if you planned to jail your former victim. If you ever vote to lynch your victim and he is actually lynched you will suicide the following night.

    Special: The Tormentor always wins alone.


    Spoiler : Sleuth :


    You are a corrupt palace guard, secretly gathering information for sinister motives.
    You can read a player's last will and optionally modify it. You may do this twice.






    Potential Feedback

    Spoiler : Feedback :

    Spoiler : Roleblock/Attempted Roleblock :

    An attractive entertainer occupied your night. You were roleblocked!


    Spoiler : Jailed/Kidnapped :

    You were inspecting your cherry garden when you heard a curious noise in your quarters. Suspicious, you draw out your sword and slowly approach your quarters... A quick rush of air and alas a hooded, masked man has overpowered you and knocked you out from behind! You frantically try to resist, but the man manages to stab you with a pin! As the stars in the sky slowly blur away, the gravity of the situation dawns on you: you have been kidnapped!

    You awaken, alone, in a dark room, your hands unbound. A parchment lies on the table in front, reading:"[Jailor's Jail Message Appears Here]".

    Your captor finally enters the room and starts interrogating you.

    NIGHT CHAT WITH YOUR CAPTOR OPENED.
    Link: [LINK.GOES.HERE]



    Spoiler : Auditor's Feedback :

    You investigated the late [TARGETNAME]'s finances last night, uncovering their occupation: [TARGETROLE], as well as their testament: [TARGETWILL].



    Spoiler : Sleuth's Feedback :

    You stealthily made your way to [TARGETNAME]'s quarters last night, finding and stealing their last will and testament. Upon returning home, you...



    a) decide to keep the last will as is and return it to your target's home
    b) decide to forge the documents

    Their last will was:

    [TARGET.LAST.WILL.QUOTE.GOES.HERE]



    Spoiler : Private Message from the Tormentor :

    While walking in the streets of Kyoto, you pass by a shadowy but well-mannered samurai, dressed in ceremonial robes. He slips, and, you, in good faith, offer to help him up. The stranger is thankful, but he immediately disappears after you turn around. Bewildered by his sudden disappearance, you reach for your sword, when you notice a small piece of parchment in your sleeve. It reads:

    [TORMENTOR.MESSAGE.GOES.HERE.]



    Spoiler : Ronin Pledges Allegiance To You :

    Late at night, a landless retainer demands an audience with you. 'This man says he will pledge himself to you, body, sword and soul, if only you would teach him your ways', one of your guards says. You hastily let the man in. Bowing before you with great respect, he refuses to reveal his identity, for he says he has many enemies at court and that these are dangerous times. 'Dangerous times indeed', you remark as you ponder whether you should accept his loyalty or not. After much debate, the samurai convinces you to take him in and you decide to grant him a parcel of land from your personal estate, in exchange for his service.

    A RONIN CHOSEN YOU AS THEIR MASTER.

    Link to anon chat: [LINK.GOES.HERE]


    Spoiler : Your Master was lynched! :

    You did not believe it at first. It seemed that time itself was shutting down. Your master, of all people, accused of plotting to overthrow the Shogun himself? It was a baseless accusation, one without honour. And yet, he was found guilty of treason and executed. One thing is clear in your mind. You are forever dishonored by having followed this man. Bushido code demands your honorable death by suicide. But perhaps it would be a stronger message indeed if you took someone else with you first? Your Master would've wanted it so. His killers must be brought to justice.

    YOU HAVE BECOME A DISHONORED RONIN (JESTER).

    Spoiler : Role Card :


    *CANNOT SPAWN AT GAME START*

    You win if you are lynched during the day.






    Spoiler : Your Master was killed at night! :

    You hurriedly race towards your Master's quarters, knowing full well you have little time to waste. The walls appear to have been hacked with an axe! And the guards are dead. Heart pumping and filled with a mixture of fear and disgust, you rush to your Master's bedroom, only to find him already dead and the killer escaped. You vow vengeance on those who have killed your master and dishonored you! 'There is no way out of this, save to commit sepuku! But I may take some of those spineless, honourless scoundrels with me, first,' you think to yourself.
    YOU HAVE BECOME A DISHONORED RONIN (JESTER).

    Spoiler : Role Card :


    *CANNOT SPAWN AT GAME START*

    You win if you are lynched during the day.







    Order of Operations

    0.1 Targets are Jailed or Kidnapped.
    0.2 Jailor/Kidnapper/Tormentor Night Chat Open
    0.3 Targets are Executed
    0.4 Mafia Night Chat
    1. Roleblockers (Consort>Escort)
    2. Kills (Vigilante>Goon/Disguiser>Blacksmith Sword>Jailor>Kidnapper)
    3. Blackmailer
    4. Blacksmith gives out Sword
    5. Survivor Vest
    6. Sleuth
    7. Janitor
    8. Crier sends message (can be stopped by blackmailer)
    9. Auditor

    Mechanics
    Days last 48 hours, nights last 24.
    Plurality Lynch.
    Ties are resolved by RNG.
    Lynch is not mandatory.
    Last wills allowed.
    Suicide not allowed.

    Win Conditions

    Town: Kill all the Mafia and evil-doers (Neutral Evil, if applicable).
    Mafia: Kill off the Town and attain the majority of the votes. You must kill the Tormentor.
    Neutral Evil: Survive and see the town lose the game.
    Survivor: Survive to the end.
    Blacksmith: If the game ends on an odd night, you win with the Mafia. Otherwise, you win with the town.
    Ronin: Your Master must survive to the end.
    Dishonored Ronin: Get lynched during the day.
    Tormentor: You and your target must be the last ones standing.
    Sleuth: Survive and see the town lose the game.

    Rules of Conduct

    No OGC.
    Insults are alright, but do not take it too far.
    Do not quote PMs from me.
    Do not post during day start before the host.
    English and Japanese allowed.
    Be active.
    Images/videos allowed, keep it clean and don't spam.
    No gamethrowing, threatened, attempted or faked, is allowed. Any violation will result in replace, mod kill or aggressive warn.
    No griefing allowed.
    Discussion pertaining to the game or Forum Mafia in general (while in-game) on the Discord server or on the Forums is strictly prohibited. This includes discussion of OOC information that was brought up in-game. I reserve the right to warn, modkill or replace anyone not abiding by this rule.
    Anon accounts, if people want. I recommend this so I can replace Mafioso with Disguiser.
    No spam allowed.
    If a Ventriloquist/Disguiser/Blackmailer end up in the game (i.e. the setup is anon), then you are allowed (and encouraged) to encode your posts with a cypher. You have to PM me the code beforehand and explain in detail what exactly your code does. You may only submit codes that you generated yourself, pen&paper; don't use a computer program to generate it for you, because it would be unfair then.

    HAVE FUN!









    Special thanks to Gyrlander for the Rules of Conduct.

    Blacklisted:

    FAQ

    1. Q: Can Janitor (Incense Master) sanitize a lynched player's role and last will?
    1. A: Yes. They would have to use their ability on that specific player the previous night.

    2. Q: What happens if we lynch a Dishonored Ronin?
    2. A: A random voter will perish.

    3. Q: Can Jailor or Kidnapper use their ability if a player was lynched that day?
    3. A: No.

    4. Q: Can Ronin (Student) be roleblocked?
    4. A: No. It is a non-targeted ability, meaning that they do not visit they target.

    5. Q: What kind of night actions can a Coroner detect?
    5. A: They can see a role blocker, Disguiser/Mafioso/Vigilante, Auditor, Blackmailer, Coroner, Sleuth and Janitor visit at night. In addition, they can detect Jailor or Kidnapper executions.

    6. Q: What happens if the Tormentor's target dies?
    6. A: The Tormentor commits suicide.

    7. Q: Can we lie about the Mechanics?
    7. A: Yes, but if I am asked directly, I will give the correct answer to the question. I won't cover for your lie.

    Additional notes

    There are three separate jail chats, not all of which are necessarily active at the same time. They have similar names (Cell Block R-47, Cell Block J-19 and Cell Block G-48. I will randomize (before game start) the roles which are assigned the Cell Blocks (Jailor, Kidnapper, Tormentor).

    I'm adding an observer/dead chat for this game. It's located in the same place as the night chats. If you want to talk to join in the observer discussion, you need to PM me (after the game starts) so I can send you the password and login. I may add some mini-games in the Observer chat so people can have fun.


    Link to the night chats (they are or SHOULD be invisible):

    https://fmchatsandothers.boards.net



    Last edited by Oberon; June 7th, 2021 at 10:51 PM.

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    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai

    Can you add colors?

    Edit: thanks
    Last edited by Stealthbomber16; June 9th, 2018 at 02:48 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus View Post
    congrats you're an inspiration to pedophiles everywhere
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    You're favourite toast spread is sawdust

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    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    I wanted to make a funny comment, something about you and Noz Bugz competing on who can make more WIP setups. But I couldn't think of anything.
    This isn't really WIP, I know exactly which roles to add, I just haven't added them yet.

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    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai

    Thoughts on using the condorcet election system? Do you think it would work with this setup?

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    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai

    Planning to add a Judge-esque role, a Witch, a Survivor and a role that can read (and potentially) modify last wills. Possibly also a Tailor, either as a Mafia Role or a Neutral.

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    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    Thoughts on using the condorcet election system? Do you think it would work with this setup?
    Honestly, I think it's a nice voting system but shouldn't be omnipresent. Just roll some setups sometimes with that voting system, but not every two games. But it would probably work with the setup, yes.

    Some questions:

    Are death notes allowed?

    What's the OoO?

    Does the Master of Ceremonies's ability last for the following day thing mean that the clean is effective if the target is lynched on the day following the sanitization's night?

    When does the Herald say his anon message, at day or at night, and when is the message displayed? Is he limited in the number of these messages, and in the character number? How are the messages displayed (anonymous S-FM Account, Crier, or host-displayed?)


    Which Neutral would you want added? I've got a Neutral Killing that is pretty nice, because it doesn't have tons of KPN and it's what this setup needs IMO (unless my memory backstabbed me lol).

    Edit because I saw next post: Judge might be quite a bit OP in this setup. Mandatory lynch already affects lynches, if you add a Judge into that it'll be super complicated to vote for Town. Going to check that NK role to see if it's not too much killing.
    Spoiler : Quotes :
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Hey peter View Post
    There are two wolves inside you. One is addicted to crack. The other one is also addicted to crack. You are addicted to crack.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    MM IS AN ANTI-VAXXER
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Mallow are you really an anti vaxxer
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    God is a goofy loser.

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    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai

    Spoiler : Credits to Zack for this great role idea :
    Name: Tormentor

    Alignment: Neutral, Advanced Evil

    Description: A demented individual, seeking to torment his chosen victim for all eternity.

    Goal: Receive a random person as a target. You and your target must be the last remaining living players in the game. The Tormentor is considered a side of his own, thus the game will not end until he wins or is killed.

    Ability: You can torment your target in two ways, one is by sending annonymus one-way messages to your victim during the day (by PMing the FM master). The other is you can decide to jail him. While in jail your target is roleblocked and protected from death, you can chat with your victim while he is in your holding cell.

    Events: If your target dies at night your new target will be the first one who killed him, you will of course know who it is. If your target is lynched during the day your new target will be randomly selected out of the voters or be the hammer vote (depending on setup), but you won't be able to jail the new target that night even if you planned to jail your former victim. If you ever vote to lynch your victim and he is actually lynched you will suicide the following night.

    Special: The Tormentor always wins alone. It doesn't matter who his victim is, Town, Mafia, or anything else, they won't win with him. Executioners are the exception, if they won before the game ended. Jesters who already won by getting lynched will also share the victory.

    Clarification: Survivor and Tormentor are mortal enemies. While Survivor normally only has to survive, if a Tormentor is in play then he must get rid of him in order to be able to win.


    Nevermind it's not a killing role lol. I really liked the idea. Tell me if you believe it fits in your setup! @Magoroth

    P.S. I did not add quote tags to avoid my spoiler being unquotable, so no copyright scandal please ;)
    Spoiler : Quotes :
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Hey peter View Post
    There are two wolves inside you. One is addicted to crack. The other one is also addicted to crack. You are addicted to crack.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    MM IS AN ANTI-VAXXER
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Mallow are you really an anti vaxxer
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    God is a goofy loser.

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    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Honestly, I think it's a nice voting system but shouldn't be omnipresent. Just roll some setups sometimes with that voting system, but not every two games. But it would probably work with the setup, yes.

    Some questions:

    Are death notes allowed?

    What's the OoO?

    Does the Master of Ceremonies's ability last for the following day thing mean that the clean is effective if the target is lynched on the day following the sanitization's night?

    When does the Herald say his anon message, at day or at night, and when is the message displayed? Is he limited in the number of these messages, and in the character number? How are the messages displayed (anonymous S-FM Account, Crier, or host-displayed?)


    Which Neutral would you want added? I've got a Neutral Killing that is pretty nice, because it doesn't have tons of KPN and it's what this setup needs IMO (unless my memory backstabbed me lol).

    Edit because I saw next post: Judge might be quite a bit OP in this setup. Mandatory lynch already affects lynches, if you add a Judge into that it'll be super complicated to vote for Town. Going to check that NK role to see if it's not too much killing.
    Yes.

    Working on it, should be as in the mod.

    Yes, that is actually what I foresee will happen.

    He can use his ability every night. I will display the messages myself. The message is revealed during the day. Maximum string length is 255. (xD)

    I'm taking suggestions on this, but I prefer not to add Neutral Killers; I don't really want to up the KPN by any chance. I'm thinking of adding a role that can vote after death and has to see the
    person who lynched him die (sort of a like a pseudo-Jester). Until he is lynched, he wins with the town.

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    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Spoiler : Credits to Zack for this great role idea :
    Name: Tormentor

    Alignment: Neutral, Advanced Evil

    Description: A demented individual, seeking to torment his chosen victim for all eternity.

    Goal: Receive a random person as a target. You and your target must be the last remaining living players in the game. The Tormentor is considered a side of his own, thus the game will not end until he wins or is killed.

    Ability: You can torment your target in two ways, one is by sending annonymus one-way messages to your victim during the day (by PMing the FM master). The other is you can decide to jail him. While in jail your target is roleblocked and protected from death, you can chat with your victim while he is in your holding cell.

    Events: If your target dies at night your new target will be the first one who killed him, you will of course know who it is. If your target is lynched during the day your new target will be randomly selected out of the voters or be the hammer vote (depending on setup), but you won't be able to jail the new target that night even if you planned to jail your former victim. If you ever vote to lynch your victim and he is actually lynched you will suicide the following night.

    Special: The Tormentor always wins alone. It doesn't matter who his victim is, Town, Mafia, or anything else, they won't win with him. Executioners are the exception, if they won before the game ended. Jesters who already won by getting lynched will also share the victory.

    Clarification: Survivor and Tormentor are mortal enemies. While Survivor normally only has to survive, if a Tormentor is in play then he must get rid of him in order to be able to win.


    Nevermind it's not a killing role lol. I really liked the idea. Tell me if you believe it fits in your setup! @Magoroth

    P.S. I did not add quote tags to avoid my spoiler being unquotable, so no copyright scandal please ;)
    Wow that is an incredibly complex role. I think it would work very well with this setup. I might add it. I'll think about it.

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    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai

    Quote Originally Posted by Magoroth View Post
    Yes.

    Working on it, should be as in the mod.

    Yes, that is actually what I foresee will happen.

    He can use his ability every night. I will display the messages myself. The message is revealed during the day. Maximum string length is 255. (xD)

    I'm taking suggestions on this, but I prefer not to add Neutral Killers; I don't really want to up the KPN by any chance. I'm thinking of adding a role that can vote after death and has to see the
    person who lynched him die (sort of a like a pseudo-Jester). Until he is lynched, he wins with the town.
    Yay

    Yay

    Yay

    Can he use his ability more than once per night? IS 255 REALLY THE DAMN LENGHT ALLOWED XD

    Check the next post but your idea seems kinda neat though, some kind of ghost... I'll keep that idea in mind
    Spoiler : Quotes :
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Hey peter View Post
    There are two wolves inside you. One is addicted to crack. The other one is also addicted to crack. You are addicted to crack.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    MM IS AN ANTI-VAXXER
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Mallow are you really an anti vaxxer
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    God is a goofy loser.

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    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Yay

    Yay

    Yay

    Can he use his ability more than once per night? IS 255 REALLY THE DAMN LENGHT ALLOWED XD

    Check the next post but your idea seems kinda neat though, some kind of ghost... I'll keep that idea in mind
    Only once per night.

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    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai

    Planning to add a few extra TPR roles and quite a few possible neutrals. I'll declare the setup finished later today. Going to host this Thursday if approved.

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    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai

    @SuperJack
    Setup ready for review.

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    Ganelon
    Guest

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai

    I may add Ventriloquist and Disguiser if the setup ends up being anon.

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    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai (13P)

    @Oberon made you own the setup again
    Spoiler : Quotes :
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Hey peter View Post
    There are two wolves inside you. One is addicted to crack. The other one is also addicted to crack. You are addicted to crack.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    MM IS AN ANTI-VAXXER
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Mallow are you really an anti vaxxer
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    God is a goofy loser.

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    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai (13P)

    @Marshmallow Marshall ready for review
    Quote Originally Posted by Huey The Long View Post
    Naz will die, i can promise you this, i visited there home, i shared the wealth, placed my book on their nightstand and said every man a king 3 times so they will die from my glorious contagion of my political program
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    You sure you dont want to lynch Voss again? he may flip scum this time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    mags my highest townread and i think hes scum.
    Quote Originally Posted by GoatseOntheCupboard View Post
    NOT TOWN = NOT INNOCENT

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    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai (13P)

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    rename Blacksmith to double agent imho :P
    Neutral Evil in the win conditions is unnecessary because there's no such class and all neutral roles have their win con specified already.
    Tru
    Quote Originally Posted by Huey The Long View Post
    Naz will die, i can promise you this, i visited there home, i shared the wealth, placed my book on their nightstand and said every man a king 3 times so they will die from my glorious contagion of my political program
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    You sure you dont want to lynch Voss again? he may flip scum this time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    mags my highest townread and i think hes scum.
    Quote Originally Posted by GoatseOntheCupboard View Post
    NOT TOWN = NOT INNOCENT

  24. #24

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai (13P)

    whoever rolls blackmail please just restrict someone into being a pokemon

    "You may use words from the following list.

    'Chatot'
    'Braaaa'
    'Sqwuaaak!'

    You may vary capitalization as needed unless it is with the intention of speaking in a code."
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Unfunny View Post
    How dare you send me another box of cereal
    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus View Post
    congrats you're an inspiration to pedophiles everywhere
    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    You're favourite toast spread is sawdust

  25. #25

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai (13P)

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    whoever rolls blackmail please just restrict someone into being a pokemon

    "You may use words from the following list.

    'Chatot'
    'Braaaa'
    'Sqwuaaak!'

    You may vary capitalization as needed unless it is with the intention of speaking in a code."
    this sounds stupid as fuck.

    -1
    "The child must have a valuable thing which is called imagination. The child must have a secret world in which live things that never were. It is necessary that he believe. He must start out believing in things not of this world. Then, when the world becomes too ugly for living in, the child can reach back and live in his imagination. I, myself, even in this day and age, have great need of this. Only by having imagination in my mind can I live beyond what I have to live for.”

  26. #26

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai (13P)

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    whoever rolls blackmail please just restrict someone into being a pokemon

    "You may use words from the following list.

    'Chatot'
    'Braaaa'
    'Sqwuaaak!'

    You may vary capitalization as needed unless it is with the intention of speaking in a code."
    "My opponent is a liar and cannot be trusted"
    Quote Originally Posted by Huey The Long View Post
    Naz will die, i can promise you this, i visited there home, i shared the wealth, placed my book on their nightstand and said every man a king 3 times so they will die from my glorious contagion of my political program
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    You sure you dont want to lynch Voss again? he may flip scum this time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    mags my highest townread and i think hes scum.
    Quote Originally Posted by GoatseOntheCupboard View Post
    NOT TOWN = NOT INNOCENT

  27. #27

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai (13P)

    How do you plan on preventing the Crier from revealing his identity in his post? For example, can the Crier say "I will say potato tonight" and then post that at night to confirm himself? Can he say who he isn't?

    Does Ventriloquist silence the actual owner of the account?

    Can players say they were blackmailed after the blackmail day has passed? The way the rolecard is worded is slightly ambiguous.

    Can "TPR" slots spawn Town Killing roles?

    Please specify which roles fall in which category (does blackmailer count as killing or support? it does both; does ventriloquist count as killing since it basically takes over an account? etc.)

    Please specify whether flips are present in this game (flipless, alignment only or full flips) in Mechanics; please specify whether scum have a factional kill there as well.
    Spoiler : Quotes :
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Hey peter View Post
    There are two wolves inside you. One is addicted to crack. The other one is also addicted to crack. You are addicted to crack.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    MM IS AN ANTI-VAXXER
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Mallow are you really an anti vaxxer
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    God is a goofy loser.

  28. #28

  29. #29

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai (13P)

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    How do you plan on preventing the Crier from revealing his identity in his post? For example, can the Crier say "I will say potato tonight" and then post that at night to confirm himself? Can he say who he isn't?

    Does Ventriloquist silence the actual owner of the account?

    Can players say they were blackmailed after the blackmail day has passed? The way the rolecard is worded is slightly ambiguous.

    Can "TPR" slots spawn Town Killing roles?

    Please specify which roles fall in which category (does blackmailer count as killing or support? it does both; does ventriloquist count as killing since it basically takes over an account? etc.)

    Please specify whether flips are present in this game (flipless, alignment only or full flips) in Mechanics; please specify whether scum have a factional kill there as well.
    1. That's allowed
    2. Yes. They can't even vote.
    3. Yes, it's fully allowed.
    4. No.
    5. Willdo
    5. They are; no nightkill
    Quote Originally Posted by Huey The Long View Post
    Naz will die, i can promise you this, i visited there home, i shared the wealth, placed my book on their nightstand and said every man a king 3 times so they will die from my glorious contagion of my political program
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    You sure you dont want to lynch Voss again? he may flip scum this time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    mags my highest townread and i think hes scum.
    Quote Originally Posted by GoatseOntheCupboard View Post
    NOT TOWN = NOT INNOCENT

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  31. #31

  32. #32

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai (13P)

    Then I fear the setup may be town-favored, since scum can hardly kill TPRs. I suggest making a TPR slot a Citizen slot instead. The Blackmailer will be much less powerful than in the previous version, since it now has restrictions preventing it from acting like a factional kill.

    I would very strongly recommend forbidding skipping days, btw... :P
    If you want skipping to be a possibility, then it should at least be limited to once per game.

    Does the game start at night or day? Is Night 0 a special actionless night? (Asking because the Ronin pledges allegiance on N0)

    When does ventriloquist act? It's not in the OoO.

    6. Q: What happens if the Tormentor's target dies?
    6. A: The Tormentor commits suicide.
    Events: If your target dies at night your new target will be the first one who killed him, you will of course know who it is. If your target is lynched during the day your new target will be randomly selected out of the voters or be the hammer vote (depending on setup), but you won't be able to jail the new target that night even if you planned to jail your former victim. If you ever vote to lynch your victim and he is actually lynched you will suicide the following night.
    Which quote is right? I'd assume the second one is, as it makes the role much more viable (else, it's a very hardcore one-way survivor-lover).
    Spoiler : Quotes :
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Hey peter View Post
    There are two wolves inside you. One is addicted to crack. The other one is also addicted to crack. You are addicted to crack.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    MM IS AN ANTI-VAXXER
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Mallow are you really an anti vaxxer
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    God is a goofy loser.

  33. #33

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai (13P)

    Quote Originally Posted by CRichardForumLies View Post
    Hello again.
    This looks interesting.
    Yep! This setup was infamous for its blackmailer, but with the restrictions, it should be really fun and closer to its intended spirit.
    Spoiler : Quotes :
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Hey peter View Post
    There are two wolves inside you. One is addicted to crack. The other one is also addicted to crack. You are addicted to crack.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    MM IS AN ANTI-VAXXER
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Mallow are you really an anti vaxxer
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    God is a goofy loser.

  34. #34

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai (13P)

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Yep! This setup was infamous for its blackmailer, but with the restrictions, it should be really fun and closer to its intended spirit.
    A blackmailer eh?
    Sounds interesting, though somehow I doubt it will be work exactly the same as the mod version of blackmailer.
    I mean being unable to post for 48 hours for example would be pretty painful.

  35. #35

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai (13P)

    Quote Originally Posted by CRichardForumLies View Post
    A blackmailer eh?
    Sounds interesting, though somehow I doubt it will be work exactly the same as the mod version of blackmailer.
    I mean being unable to post for 48 hours for example would be pretty painful.
    Obviously. It's very far from the mod's blackmailer, though.
    Spoiler : Quotes :
    Quote Originally Posted by S-FM Hey peter View Post
    There are two wolves inside you. One is addicted to crack. The other one is also addicted to crack. You are addicted to crack.
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    MM IS AN ANTI-VAXXER
    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Mallow are you really an anti vaxxer
    Quote Originally Posted by The Lawyer View Post
    Besides your lamp and your refridgerators, do you find anyone else suspicious?
    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    God is a goofy loser.

  36. #36

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai (13P)

    Quote Originally Posted by CRichardForumLies View Post
    A blackmailer eh?
    Sounds interesting, though somehow I doubt it will be work exactly the same as the mod version of blackmailer.
    I mean being unable to post for 48 hours for example would be pretty painful.
    It's a cursed role
    Last time I hosted this it cheesed the fuck out of the game
    Quote Originally Posted by Huey The Long View Post
    Naz will die, i can promise you this, i visited there home, i shared the wealth, placed my book on their nightstand and said every man a king 3 times so they will die from my glorious contagion of my political program
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    You sure you dont want to lynch Voss again? he may flip scum this time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    mags my highest townread and i think hes scum.
    Quote Originally Posted by GoatseOntheCupboard View Post
    NOT TOWN = NOT INNOCENT

  37. #37

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai (13P)

    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Then I fear the setup may be town-favored, since scum can hardly kill TPRs. I suggest making a TPR slot a Citizen slot instead. The Blackmailer will be much less powerful than in the previous version, since it now has restrictions preventing it from acting like a factional kill.

    I would very strongly recommend forbidding skipping days, btw... :P
    If you want skipping to be a possibility, then it should at least be limited to once per game.

    Does the game start at night or day? Is Night 0 a special actionless night? (Asking because the Ronin pledges allegiance on N0)

    When does ventriloquist act? It's not in the OoO.




    Which quote is right? I'd assume the second one is, as it makes the role much more viable (else, it's a very hardcore one-way survivor-lover).
    Was worried about that, but most town roles have scum analogues, apart from Crier. TPRs can't really self-confirm that much
    Quote Originally Posted by Huey The Long View Post
    Naz will die, i can promise you this, i visited there home, i shared the wealth, placed my book on their nightstand and said every man a king 3 times so they will die from my glorious contagion of my political program
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    You sure you dont want to lynch Voss again? he may flip scum this time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    mags my highest townread and i think hes scum.
    Quote Originally Posted by GoatseOntheCupboard View Post
    NOT TOWN = NOT INNOCENT

  38. #38

  39. #39

  40. #40

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai (13P)

    Quote Originally Posted by CRichardForumLies View Post
    Yikes!
    That would be ridiculous.
    Oh yeah, I forgot to add that. Shouldn't be allowed to blackmail someone into not posting. I don't like that idea.
    Quote Originally Posted by Huey The Long View Post
    Naz will die, i can promise you this, i visited there home, i shared the wealth, placed my book on their nightstand and said every man a king 3 times so they will die from my glorious contagion of my political program
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    You sure you dont want to lynch Voss again? he may flip scum this time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    mags my highest townread and i think hes scum.
    Quote Originally Posted by GoatseOntheCupboard View Post
    NOT TOWN = NOT INNOCENT

  41. #41

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai (13P)

    For Herald:

    "You may post an anonymous message to be displayed during the ensuing day. You may not reveal your identity in the post."

    This feels like a really gray area.

    ===

    And the blackmailer sounds like a VERY, VERY interesting role but in my opinion it creates a very uncomfortable sort of perverse incentive where someone will want to follow the letter of the restrictions while skirting and subverting their intent as much as possible. And of course the blackmailer will not be very happy about this kind of behavior and could likely view the actions as having broken the blackmailing while the person blackmailed insists they followed the restrictions. And then this would require the host to weigh in on what is likely a very gray-area issue that could potentially decide the game as the punishment for not following the restrictions is death.

    Not saying that this kind of scenario would happen every time, but even with well-meaning players, a gray-area dispute requiring the host to weigh in and potentially decide who wins the game based on the dispute seems like it has a high enough of a chance to happen that the role itself makes me pretty uncomfortable.

    It's a really interesting concept though, I wonder if it could be reworked somehow to address that?

  42. #42

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai (13P)

    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    this sounds stupid as fuck.

    -1
    Please find nicer ways to give feedback. (I infracted/deleted the other post)

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

  43. #43

  44. #44

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai (13P)

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Please find nicer ways to give feedback. (I infracted/deleted the other post)
    ???

    stealth's suggestion was actually stupid as fuck. no way i'd let someone irl be that dumb

    -1 to the mod
    "The child must have a valuable thing which is called imagination. The child must have a secret world in which live things that never were. It is necessary that he believe. He must start out believing in things not of this world. Then, when the world becomes too ugly for living in, the child can reach back and live in his imagination. I, myself, even in this day and age, have great need of this. Only by having imagination in my mind can I live beyond what I have to live for.”

  45. #45

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai (13P)

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    whoever rolls blackmail please just restrict someone into being a pokemon

    "You may use words from the following list.

    'Chatot'
    'Braaaa'
    'Sqwuaaak!'

    You may vary capitalization as needed unless it is with the intention of speaking in a code."
    -1.

    i am not playing this setup if you let this be a thing @Oberon

    idk why you've to include pokemon in this. blackmailer should stay the same in this setup.
    "The child must have a valuable thing which is called imagination. The child must have a secret world in which live things that never were. It is necessary that he believe. He must start out believing in things not of this world. Then, when the world becomes too ugly for living in, the child can reach back and live in his imagination. I, myself, even in this day and age, have great need of this. Only by having imagination in my mind can I live beyond what I have to live for.”

  46. #46

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai (13P)

    i am okay with constructive suggestions. i'm not okay with shit like this.
    @Voss you've got to be kidding me with that infraction
    "The child must have a valuable thing which is called imagination. The child must have a secret world in which live things that never were. It is necessary that he believe. He must start out believing in things not of this world. Then, when the world becomes too ugly for living in, the child can reach back and live in his imagination. I, myself, even in this day and age, have great need of this. Only by having imagination in my mind can I live beyond what I have to live for.”

  47. #47

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai (13P)

    @Oberon i had no idea you made a japanese-themed setup. it looks really nice, and at first glance it looks like you got at least some of the terms right.
    "The child must have a valuable thing which is called imagination. The child must have a secret world in which live things that never were. It is necessary that he believe. He must start out believing in things not of this world. Then, when the world becomes too ugly for living in, the child can reach back and live in his imagination. I, myself, even in this day and age, have great need of this. Only by having imagination in my mind can I live beyond what I have to live for.”

  48. #48

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai (13P)

    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    -1.

    i am not playing this setup if you let this be a thing @Oberon

    idk why you've to include pokemon in this. blackmailer should stay the same in this setup.
    I think he was suggesting that the blackmailer blackmail someone into only using Chatot, Braaa, and Sqwuaaak
    Quote Originally Posted by Huey The Long View Post
    Naz will die, i can promise you this, i visited there home, i shared the wealth, placed my book on their nightstand and said every man a king 3 times so they will die from my glorious contagion of my political program
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    You sure you dont want to lynch Voss again? he may flip scum this time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    mags my highest townread and i think hes scum.
    Quote Originally Posted by GoatseOntheCupboard View Post
    NOT TOWN = NOT INNOCENT

  49. #49

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai (13P)

    Quote Originally Posted by LagAttack View Post
    For Herald:

    "You may post an anonymous message to be displayed during the ensuing day. You may not reveal your identity in the post."

    This feels like a really gray area.

    ===

    And the blackmailer sounds like a VERY, VERY interesting role but in my opinion it creates a very uncomfortable sort of perverse incentive where someone will want to follow the letter of the restrictions while skirting and subverting their intent as much as possible. And of course the blackmailer will not be very happy about this kind of behavior and could likely view the actions as having broken the blackmailing while the person blackmailed insists they followed the restrictions. And then this would require the host to weigh in on what is likely a very gray-area issue that could potentially decide the game as the punishment for not following the restrictions is death.

    Not saying that this kind of scenario would happen every time, but even with well-meaning players, a gray-area dispute requiring the host to weigh in and potentially decide who wins the game based on the dispute seems like it has a high enough of a chance to happen that the role itself makes me pretty uncomfortable.

    It's a really interesting concept though, I wonder if it could be reworked somehow to address that?
    Yeah that is exactly what happens. It happened the first time I hosted this. Someone got blackmailed into posting "My opponent is a liar and cannot be trusted" all day, and they managed to skirt that by quoting posts and posting twice for yes and once for no.
    Quote Originally Posted by Huey The Long View Post
    Naz will die, i can promise you this, i visited there home, i shared the wealth, placed my book on their nightstand and said every man a king 3 times so they will die from my glorious contagion of my political program
    Quote Originally Posted by Blinkstorteddd02 View Post
    You sure you dont want to lynch Voss again? he may flip scum this time.
    Quote Originally Posted by Distorted View Post
    mags my highest townread and i think hes scum.
    Quote Originally Posted by GoatseOntheCupboard View Post
    NOT TOWN = NOT INNOCENT

  50. #50

    Re: S-FM Sengoku Jidai (13P)

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Yeah that is exactly what happens. It happened the first time I hosted this. Someone got blackmailed into posting "My opponent is a liar and cannot be trusted" all day, and they managed to skirt that by quoting posts and posting twice for yes and once for no.
    You said the Crier could say who they're NOT, but they can't say who they are?

    What if there are 6 players left:
    Alice, Bob, Charlie, David, Erin, Frank

    Crier posts:
    I am NOT Bob, Charlie, David, Erin, or Frank.

 

 

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