I Didnt Know It Was Punishable To Lynch A Survivor Until I Was Banned For That Reason
Can You Guys Add It In The Rules List So The New Players And Others May Learn From It And Wont Do The Same Mistake As I Did?
I Didnt Know It Was Punishable To Lynch A Survivor Until I Was Banned For That Reason
Can You Guys Add It In The Rules List So The New Players And Others May Learn From It And Wont Do The Same Mistake As I Did?
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A report from 6 months ago? Really? I guess I'm being trolled but whatever:
Highlighting relevant points:
Previous Offenses
Efekannn:
Griefing & Intentional Gamethrowing (Watch-list x4)
Cheating/Additional Information (Watch-list x3)And that was after 2 sets of watch listings also. -- Intent to gamethrow with a previous history is not good. Had nothing to do with you killing a neutral, I'd find it difficult to punish players for playing badly only if they're trying to mess with players for the hell of it.He sets a LW claiming intent to throw the game, and cursing whoever killed him
And it was overturned anyway lol.Additional Notes:
I find sufficient evidence to support the griefing claim, but he ultimately did play to win and did so. The ban will be lifted at next update.
I'm not on the reports team, Arrow may be of a different opinion but I think you're not looking at this in the right context. I guess the reports team initally felt you went after the survivor for no reason other than he said he was you or wasnt you or named dropped you or something. That I guess can be constituted as a no reason player attack ~ which has varying levels of complexity case by case depending on how the games impacted.
Bottom line, if you're mayor lynching people for the hell of it and cause a game loss or a near miss you run the risk of ending up on here regardless of the roles you lynch ya feel
With all due respect, he lynched a survivor claim vs a exe claim from 11. Either roles could have been MM if you think about it logically. Also, the pms and other stuff were coming from 2 players who are NOT confirmed, so their pms hold little weight.
Yes, his punishment was eventually overturned, but he really shouldn't have been punished at all. If you look at the merits of the case, he didn't lynch a doctor/sherif/det claim. He lynched someone who was a neutral claim. That at the door should be grounds for ignoring the report.
There were 2 claims for a role only one could be, he believed 11. Perhaps he was trolling, but he played to win as was found by arrow in the end. Now, the one det should not have quit. And they wouldn't have been in danger at all.
But thats my take.
@Efekannn02 no we don't need to add any punishments for lynching neutrals, you just need to act better in games and stop trolling so much.
We make mistakes sometimes. Lynching an NB is not punishable under normal circumstances.
The staff is human. Humans make errors. The fact is: the staff is really good because errors don't happen often. And to be fair, you deserved it for all the borderline gamethrowing, for circumventing rules with obvious intent to do it, and for making several games trash.
Another thing. You technically can get infracted for lynching a NB if it clearly harms your team's winning chances, and if you have shown intent of harming them. It's possible, but very rare (Unless you guilty a jester you know he is, and that you're mafia or something like that...)
That’s poor logic. Well you were bad in the past or I think you d8d sonething, so now when you do nothing wrong you should be unjustly punished.
That’s like saying I run stop signs all the 5ime and one time I legally park my car somewhere but it is towed anyway. My car should not have been towed and it doesn’t matter 2hat I’ve done in the past. Justice does not come by committing an unjust act and citing other reasons for why injustice is now just because you think someone should be punished for unrelated things because he wasn’t then but should be now. No.
His Argument Is Already Good Enough But Not Bad Enough For Your Statement That Im Not A Good Legitimate Player...
Did You Ever See Me Play Serious? (Which Is Like A Slow Not So Much Trolling Comfirming Non Risk Taking Idiot/Unless You Dont Count Me Lord Efekannn02 In Its Prime State Which Is Actually The Scariest And Mightiest Player In All SC2Mafia)
You Cant Because I Prefer Blacklisting Townys And Do Some Roleplay While Also Prefering Executioner/Jester/Crier/Judge/Jailor/Kidnapper/Cult/Veteran
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There Doesnt Happen Many Errors Because There Are Little To No Reports Lately
Im Sure The Mafia Staff Would Do Many Errors Normally But Atleast Theyre Trying To Prevent Mistakes Even Though That Creates More Mistakes
TY Sc2Mafia Staff For Giving Up EUMafia For Us
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Efe's case aside I disagree with you. You can absolutely grief any player in the game. If they turn out to be on an opposing team that doesn't make the griefing okay.
"Crime: Griefing
Griefing is trolling to the point of the game being ruined. Please note that (1) pretending to hack the game and (2) running setups with Stumps or Scumbags in them (roles which are impossible to generate without hacking one's bank or copying someone's setup who has done so) are also punished as griefing.
Example: Lying about being a sheriff just because he want the guy with the colored name to be lynched.
Type: Light"
What About Jester And Neutrals They Have Griefing Armor
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Did you miss the part where I state they openly admitted to being outside of your faction?
You cannot grief someone if you know they're on the enemy team or if you know they're not a faction that will get you a win.
If you are town "griefing" a neutral, you cannot ruin game if it causes town to win. If you're "griefing" the scum team, you cannot ruin the game. Your goal is to win game for YOUR faction.
As it states, just lynching someone over a colored name or lynching them based on name can be seen as cases of griefing. But in most cases Keeper will ignore it or put it on hold if they turn out to be on the enemy team. Also, it's very situational, based on what the player was doing to "grief" the non-aligned player.
In general though, if you're targeting someone who turns out to be an opposite faction, and it doesn't hurt your teams chances of winning, it won't be ruled as griefing.
I didn't miss that part. Griefing is completely separate from game-throwing. You can grief anyone regardless of if they are on your team or not. Please just google griefing and read some descriptions. I am not trying to be condescending or rude, I think you are just misinterpreting my meaning when I say "Griefing". I am not in any way talking about game-throwing.
I'm sure that you are right that you won't be punished if the person you target ends up being on an opposing team; however, that is completely up to the discretion of the mods. Since you were making real life legal arguments earlier I will say this: You can commit a crime and be found not guilty. That doesn't make you innocent.
Why would you want to encourage someone here to target another player just because they can get away with it?
I didn’t encourage anyone to do anything.
I simply stated you cannot grief someone not on your team. Especially if they are neutral. The base definition is “trolling to the point of ruining the game.” You cannot ruin the game by lynching or killing a neutral player. Because they are neutral. I.e: have no effect to your win con. Therefore, in good faith, you cannot ruin the game.
Now, of course people can Grief the entire game. That’s besides the point. Listen, I used to be a keeper, and I was a pretty by the books person. Arguing with me is moot because I’m no longer in staff nor do I have an effect on how they process reports. I opined that he did not grief. I stated that it’s pretty much impossible to grief someone outside of your win con, especially if it doesn’t result in a loss for your team.
Now the rules give definitions of what is actually briefing. Go pay attention to that. I also don’t need to use google. I highlighted the most important part of the griefing rule.
Remove all Town, Mafia, Triad and Cult roles from the game. If neutrals are the only thing left, you can't get reported for lynching a neutral.
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First of all, i m tired of all of your logical fallacies. Arrow didn't do wrong and nor you understood the efe's crime at that moment. I don't remember if i mentioned it on report or not but he lynched the "survivor claim" only because he wanted to lynch the irl me to get revenge of sthi did earlier. The exe claim is his excuse to defend himself from the crime he is getting and to have an excuse to cry out loud.
Secondly, it wasn't a "gamethrowing", it was a "griefing" and "targetting people" crime. Why would a person would lynch a survivor claim even though there is a detective finger pointing that someone else is mass murderer? Wait, it was 2 detectives right? LOL. Efekannn if u are gonna whine about those kind of things please do it slightly quietly and not even make a seperate thread for it.
@Arrow you didn't make a mistake nor the staff did. Maybe the Banlist count might have been high but by the previous offenses he had and the "griefing" crime he had committed was more than enough for him to have at least Banlist x2
I don't care about if you delete efe's crime or not but i just want efekann to stop whining about it. It s been almost half a year already of this report...
I'm just surprised that how far this thread has gone. Even though I have been ignoring this thread and let the efe has his own way to do things he just keep reminding it back and I' m tired of it.
Btw, if an admin sees this thread just lock it, i don't want any more posts here about efekannn's pointless whining...
Naw, I m not, just for you to shut up I'd even review this game once again and post all of the things that has a prove that you were targetting me. Oh also, forgot to mention, you were using your smurf acc as wel while you were banned right? Efe seriously either accept it or i will really make you sad.
First of all. QQ
Secondly, I read the entire synopsis and found it not to be punishable. Arrow reviewed it and agreed the keeper made a mistake and reversed the decision.
So running in and reassuring arrow is pretty lulzy.
Anyhow no one can be punished anymore Bc the map is broken so all of this is moot.
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*butthuırt* you said, if i was really a butthurt i would have just replied it as the first post on the thrad
secondly, the admins will agree as well that this thing will go far more away and create an uncomfortable place in the forum. So?
Also fyi, "You claimed survivor, he lynched you" You didn't even watch the replay LMAO. Efe knew who I was in that game and intentionally lynched a survivor claim just because he hated those times LOL.
According to report I read. You stated you were survivor. At that point all bets are off.
Griefing crime states *once again* it’s trolling to the point of *game being ruined* you were not town. Therefore game could not be ruined for town, and it has no impact on the rest of the game.
The warden determined a mistake was made and overturned the decision. I get your bias doesn’t allow you to see it, but you are wrong.
Move on.