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  1. #681

    Re: S-FM 223: Cult of Zed

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    I have not played enough games with yzb for a good meta read. My point is based solely off of his play so far in this game.

    Fuck, he's a cultist now.


    I think that Gyr lacked a good train for a day and then began progressing mesk for reasons I stated the day before. In my experience, Gyr had his scumread day 1 and was tunneling her hardcore.


    I think ika is town and mesk is null leaning town.


    I explained it in the post but I will elaborate.

    Every time I thought about FB over the night I was very cautious. When doing an ISO on his post, that post, which I previously denoted as scummy, I noticed had a 3 minute gap between it and the next one. I feel like 3 minutes is a fitting amount of time to go from this thread to the setup thread and do a quick readthrough to see what PR roles are in the setup.

    Not knowing the setup before the game is scummy in its own right, but thats a topic for postgame.
    1. Ok Ok for meta, but <.< for suggesting that not being passive would be a bad thing
    2. Isn't that just what he's done here? (Tunneled Mesk)?
    3. You actually already answered the Ika Town/Mesk Null too. Sorry I should've just snipped to what I was still waiting on answers for, which was WHY didn't you like that post, if you read it as natural. Ok for the natural actually being related to the next post.
    4. And I'll totally talk to you about setup ignorance postgame

  2. #682

    Re: S-FM 223: Cult of Zed

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    how the FUCK did i not notice this
    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    Also: answering the Firebringer meta question that I forgot to address:

    Firebringer claims PR no matter if he is a PR, Citizen, or scum. It's the truest definition of NAI there is anywhere.
    1. Whyyyyyy would you bring this up now, instead of pressuring him for more reads???
    2. If FB claiming PR is 'the truest definition of NAI' why did you find it scummy?

    And just out of sheer curiousity/for future reference/can discuss post game - is there a pattern to when he claims?

  3. #683

    Re: S-FM 223: Cult of Zed

    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    I can declare that I have NO idea. I would just random lynch at this point. Plus anyone could be converted so my reads of yesterday aren't valid.

    Ewwww cultist games.
    Err.. you signed up for this game. I assume you knew the setup when you joined. What is this about?
    Mafia Record:
    Spoiler : On Site/Universal Total :
    ..Total: 5/9 = 55.6% | 61/104 = 58.3%..
    ...Town: 3/5 = 60% | 42/76 = 55.3%...
    ....Mafia: 0/2 = 0% | 14/23 = 60.9%....
    .....3P: 1/1 = 100% | 3P: 3/5 = 60%.....
    My advice on Mafia play:
    Get the Led Out

  4. #684

    Re: S-FM 223: Cult of Zed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cass View Post
    What are the differences if any between IkaTown and IkaScum for you?
    IIRC Ika said earlier that he reads you well. Is the reverse the same?

    What do you make of the ALL CAPS outburst D1? Is abrasive an Ika-specific tell, or a general thing you read as scummy?
    I don't have a lot of experience playing with Ika, but my general assumption is that he is typically more abrasive as Scum than as Town. I've played in one game where it was a tell for me when he was 3p and another where he was Town where he was just totally content to lurk and give minimal content. I look for when people's emotions run high when reading people. I know another guy off site who flips out when he is Town so its different for different people, but basically, emotions are really hard to fake and are usually outside the scope of how people approach the game when they are Scum or Town so if you can read the emotion, you can read the player. Here, I still haven't seen much from Ika that tells me he is Town.
    Mafia Record:
    Spoiler : On Site/Universal Total :
    ..Total: 5/9 = 55.6% | 61/104 = 58.3%..
    ...Town: 3/5 = 60% | 42/76 = 55.3%...
    ....Mafia: 0/2 = 0% | 14/23 = 60.9%....
    .....3P: 1/1 = 100% | 3P: 3/5 = 60%.....
    My advice on Mafia play:
    Get the Led Out

  5. #685

    Re: S-FM 223: Cult of Zed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cass View Post
    This was @Quick . Can you answer the bold underlined?
    I am not used to seeing people who have the amount of experience that you do to provide such legit new info with wall posts and the like as Scum. IDK about your Scum game, but you seem the type that is just obv Town when you are Town, so going based off that.
    Mafia Record:
    Spoiler : On Site/Universal Total :
    ..Total: 5/9 = 55.6% | 61/104 = 58.3%..
    ...Town: 3/5 = 60% | 42/76 = 55.3%...
    ....Mafia: 0/2 = 0% | 14/23 = 60.9%....
    .....3P: 1/1 = 100% | 3P: 3/5 = 60%.....
    My advice on Mafia play:
    Get the Led Out

  6. #686

    Re: S-FM 223: Cult of Zed

    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    IDK. I think you are Town. I am kinda undecided on FB. So, yeah, I think he is a better option than you because I am null reading him and I am Town reading you.

    Remember what I said last game about you really only Scum hunting when you are Town? This post is a great example of that.
    @Quick - can you explain what you mean by the bold, and why you were Town reading Gyr before this?

  7. #687

    Re: S-FM 223: Cult of Zed

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    Fuck, he's a cultist now.
    Actually, I'm not ruling it out based on the same post.

    I think ika is town and mesk is null leaning town.
    Why is Ika Town and more importantly, Why the actual fuck is Mesk Town when she hasn't even post yet at this point in the day?

    Not knowing the setup before the game is scummy in its own right, but thats a topic for postgame.
    Complete BS. Either you don't have the experience to know what you are talking about or you are Scum.
    Mafia Record:
    Spoiler : On Site/Universal Total :
    ..Total: 5/9 = 55.6% | 61/104 = 58.3%..
    ...Town: 3/5 = 60% | 42/76 = 55.3%...
    ....Mafia: 0/2 = 0% | 14/23 = 60.9%....
    .....3P: 1/1 = 100% | 3P: 3/5 = 60%.....
    My advice on Mafia play:
    Get the Led Out

  8. #688

    Re: S-FM 223: Cult of Zed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cass View Post
    @Quick - can you explain what you mean by the bold, and why you were Town reading Gyr before this?
    What I know of Gyr is that all he does, like literally all he does as Scum is shit post. When he actually makes any effort at all to solve the game it really makes him looks incredibly Townie.
    Mafia Record:
    Spoiler : On Site/Universal Total :
    ..Total: 5/9 = 55.6% | 61/104 = 58.3%..
    ...Town: 3/5 = 60% | 42/76 = 55.3%...
    ....Mafia: 0/2 = 0% | 14/23 = 60.9%....
    .....3P: 1/1 = 100% | 3P: 3/5 = 60%.....
    My advice on Mafia play:
    Get the Led Out

  9. #689

    Re: S-FM 223: Cult of Zed

    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    I don't have a lot of experience playing with Ika, but my general assumption is that he is typically more abrasive as Scum than as Town. I've played in one game where it was a tell for me when he was 3p and another where he was Town where he was just totally content to lurk and give minimal content. I look for when people's emotions run high when reading people. I know another guy off site who flips out when he is Town so its different for different people, but basically, emotions are really hard to fake and are usually outside the scope of how people approach the game when they are Scum or Town so if you can read the emotion, you can read the player. Here, I still haven't seen much from Ika that tells me he is Town.
    So by this logic, the ALL CAPS rage of Ika's D1 would be truly emotional and hard to fake, or closer to his 3P play?

    (Anyone?) It still strikes me as potentially OTT/fake/scummy but with people contradicting that with meta it's a o.O


    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    I am not used to seeing people who have the amount of experience that you do to provide such legit new info with wall posts and the like as Scum. IDK about your Scum game, but you seem the type that is just obv Town when you are Town, so going based off that.
    Mehh. Point still stands that there are understandable reasons for sussing me if you don't have perfect info/do have a suspicious mind. It happens every game so you not questioning whether I'm sincere or not feels off.

    How much experience do you have/how many games have you played?
    Are you usually more adept at finding Town or Scum?

  10. #690

    Re: S-FM 223: Cult of Zed

    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    What I know of Gyr is that all he does, like literally all he does as Scum is shit post. When he actually makes any effort at all to solve the game it really makes him looks incredibly Townie.
    I didn't get an 'incredibly Townie' vibe from the ISO of the other game, where he was Town, but I definitely got a 'not solving the game' vibe here, since D1. Why do you Town read him earlier here?

  11. #691

  12. #692

    Re: S-FM 223: Cult of Zed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cass View Post
    @Gyrlander

    Spoiler : snip :
    What makes you say your play has been more towny this game?
    I don't have problem with you 'defending yourself, or casting votes'.

    I do have problems with the facts that:
    - you've given EZTOWN reads - for use of gifs and a TR on you;
    - you haven't given reasons for your votes other than the one on yzb which was initially OMGUS - though I did like the reasoning of the afterthought, the fact it was an afterthought makes it more null for me;
    - you haven't pushed at players until Mesk - and that seems like an afterthought.
    - you moved from voting Yzb who had no other votes to JOINING him as 3rd on the Mesk train, with no elaboration or pushing of Mesk as scum before this.
    - you miss EoD and lord the 'I knew SP was Town' on return but
    - Don't elaborate on your thoughts wrt the whole player base

    And then, in comparison with the other game, when you've been Town you
    - Focus more on scum reads/giving reasons why scum - and on more players
    - Give solid reasons for Town reads / not willing to lynch players
    - List full reads

    So I have a problem with the differences


    Can you:

    Elaborate on why Mesk is your no. 1 lynch and answer earlier question on why you shifted to her from YZB?

    Give a reads list so we know where your head is at; and

    link me to another scum game pls?
    @Gyrlander ^ Q's

  13. #693

    Re: S-FM 223: Cult of Zed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cass View Post
    Have skimmed but probably don't have time to quote and reply to everything.

    Off the top of my head.

    @Stealthbomber16 can you explain your progression on Ika?/Mesk


    How is Ika's CAPS OUTBURST enough to overrule the concern you had about his reads list and put him as top Town?

    Why did you encourage Mesk to reconsider/don't you think Firebringer is a good lynch today? AFAICT the reason you've given is 'tone' ?

    Spoiler : already answered :
    But you also contradicted, saying that one post you really didn't like felt natural?

    Unless I've missed it you haven't answered the questions I had about that earlier?
    @Stealthbomber16

    These too pls (if possible can you quote the original questions in reply?)

  14. #694

    Re: S-FM 223: Cult of Zed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cass View Post
    So by this logic, the ALL CAPS rage of Ika's D1 would be truly emotional and hard to fake, or closer to his 3P play?

    (Anyone?) It still strikes me as potentially OTT/fake/scummy but with people contradicting that with meta it's a o.O
    Yeah, really don't know why people aren't listening to me on Ika read, I feel like I have proven myself on this site at this point. Last game I played here I was nominated twice for awards for that single game. That shows I at least don't suck at this game and people should be at least hearing me out.


    Mehh. Point still stands that there are understandable reasons for sussing me if you don't have perfect info/do have a suspicious mind. It happens every game so you not questioning whether I'm sincere or not feels off.

    How much experience do you have/how many games have you played?
    Are you usually more adept at finding Town or Scum?
    There are almost always reasons for Susing people, its cutting through the BS and getting to the stuff that actually tells if someone is Scum or Town. I have almost at minimum 3 times the experience that you have if you have played 20 games. I have 56(?) games completed. In my siggy you can see my wiki with almost all my experience with win rates and stuff.
    Mafia Record:
    Spoiler : On Site/Universal Total :
    ..Total: 5/9 = 55.6% | 61/104 = 58.3%..
    ...Town: 3/5 = 60% | 42/76 = 55.3%...
    ....Mafia: 0/2 = 0% | 14/23 = 60.9%....
    .....3P: 1/1 = 100% | 3P: 3/5 = 60%.....
    My advice on Mafia play:
    Get the Led Out

  15. #695

    Re: S-FM 223: Cult of Zed

    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    Yeah, really don't know why people aren't listening to me on Ika read, I feel like I have proven myself on this site at this point. Last game I played here I was nominated twice for awards for that single game. That shows I at least don't suck at this game and people should be at least hearing me out.




    There are almost always reasons for Susing people, its cutting through the BS and getting to the stuff that actually tells if someone is Scum or Town. I have almost at minimum 3 times the experience that you have if you have played 20 games. I have 56(?) games completed. In my siggy you can see my wiki with almost all my experience with win rates and stuff.
    My wiki isn't in my sig, that's from another site.

    Here's my wiki: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php...icketyQuickety
    Mafia Record:
    Spoiler : On Site/Universal Total :
    ..Total: 5/9 = 55.6% | 61/104 = 58.3%..
    ...Town: 3/5 = 60% | 42/76 = 55.3%...
    ....Mafia: 0/2 = 0% | 14/23 = 60.9%....
    .....3P: 1/1 = 100% | 3P: 3/5 = 60%.....
    My advice on Mafia play:
    Get the Led Out

  16. #696

    Re: S-FM 223: Cult of Zed

    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    Yo, present. Not much time to quote posts, sorry.

    Cass, you seem to be misunderstanding the FB case. I'm saying his reaction at the EOD1 was an emotional reaction to getting scumread on day 1 after all the past problems. It has nothing to do with self pres.

    The whole bottom third of the wallpost was explaining the inconsistencies in a town!perspective of his mesk read and the scum!perspective of a mesk read. Your question is like reading the conclusion to an essay and asking "wait, where's the reasoning again?"

    And yes, you do seem tired as fuck :P

    I posted that thing about SB in case he got in here and started hardpushing a train off FB.
    Bite me on the being tired :P

    I'm staying up too late again tonight, but ftr I reread and ok for the reasoning behind Mesk read, my problem was with calling it TMI.

    I took FB's ALL CAPS EoD1 as more pushing through a lynch, which could've gone either way, and would've been pretty OTT for CL.
    And the point about self pres was that it would've been more scummy if it had been for self pres reasons, and that saying it was scummy otherwise is/was possi-reachy imo.

    Do you have reads/Where are you at today?

  17. #697

    Re: S-FM 223: Cult of Zed

    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    Yeah, really don't know why people aren't listening to me on Ika read, I feel like I have proven myself on this site at this point. Last game I played here I was nominated twice for awards for that single game. That shows I at least don't suck at this game and people should be at least hearing me out.




    There are almost always reasons for Susing people, its cutting through the BS and getting to the stuff that actually tells if someone is Scum or Town. I have almost at minimum 3 times the experience that you have if you have played 20 games. I have 56(?) games completed. In my siggy you can see my wiki with almost all my experience with win rates and stuff.
    Quote Originally Posted by Quick View Post
    My wiki isn't in my sig, that's from another site.

    Here's my wiki: https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php...icketyQuickety
    Can't tell if this is legit relevant or fluff, but will give you that you have more experience. Didn't see anything in skim of Wiki that says you prefer/are better at hunting for Town, but did see that you go on instinct, which this fits.

    Gonna put your calling me Town at NAI for now and watch with popcorn.

    What are your current reads?

  18. #698

    Re: S-FM 223: Cult of Zed

    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...221-Death-Note

    This was my re-introductory game and I believe my first game with Gyr, this being my second.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    You're voting Gyr based on:

    1) A town meta he doesn't actually have. In most games he plays very passive/quietly throughout the whole game.
    2) His lack of contribution. There is absolutely no correlation between contribution-levels and scummyness, and the droves of towns who get mislynched stand as testimony.
    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    Furthermore, Gyr is a heavily inconsistent player when it comes to motivation. Taking his most contribution-heavy towngame and comparing it to the mean towngame (this one) is obviously going to give you something off-looking.
    Quoting this for reference.

    Sorry for rushing, need to get to bed.

    @yzb25 My point wasn't contribution levels so much as no identifiable Town motive for what's been posted here. WHAT made/makes you so sure Gyr is Town?

  19. #699

    Re: S-FM 223: Cult of Zed

    Quote Originally Posted by Cass View Post
    Can't tell if this is legit relevant or fluff, but will give you that you have more experience. Didn't see anything in skim of Wiki that says you prefer/are better at hunting for Town, but did see that you go on instinct, which this fits.

    Gonna put your calling me Town at NAI for now and watch with popcorn.

    What are your current reads?
    Until every one checks in, hard to say. I will say that I feel good about a Scum lynch today. Reason for this is that we have the best shot at hitting Scum based on the numbers ie. 3v4. That said it is LyLo and if a single Town votes for Town then Scum can dive bomb and triple vote to end the game, so we have to be careful.

    Why are you Scum reading me all the sudden? You say you are Null reading me but it seems like you are leaning Scum. What is different from my game across all three days (if you think there is a difference). Otherwise, why do you think I could be CL?

    The reads I have are kinda jumbled atm. I am trying to Scum hunt to get a better idea on people. Really its up in the air since I see some pretty bad things on everyone who has posted in this game day. I still like Ika as Scum and that prolly isn't going away. It makes compromise lynch's hard to deal with since people were Town readin Ika for IDK what reason, they all seem like garbage reason to me. If Ika is CL, then he could literally have recruited anyone. IDK how Ika plays Scum and who he would chose, but I think he might go the unconventional route.

    So top priority is see how people are reading Ika and get to the bottom of why. I will try and be more active this game day since its LyLo.
    Mafia Record:
    Spoiler : On Site/Universal Total :
    ..Total: 5/9 = 55.6% | 61/104 = 58.3%..
    ...Town: 3/5 = 60% | 42/76 = 55.3%...
    ....Mafia: 0/2 = 0% | 14/23 = 60.9%....
    .....3P: 1/1 = 100% | 3P: 3/5 = 60%.....
    My advice on Mafia play:
    Get the Led Out

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