I'm not going to clain
I'm not going to clain
Thank you Anonymous Donor
But I'm town
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Believe me
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You are correct, there are no neutrals, and I am prodding you for your post in it's entirety. I was merely providing an example of what I do some games.
I think you're scum, that's why I voted you. You are the best lynch today in my eyes so far.
Taking a break from wifoming people. I suggest everyone take an hour or so let other people come. Probably should start tagging people as they might not know day even started and let the OTHEr half of people come and give reads and post. Right now we have a small pool of people and too much tunneling is happening. Starting work now see ya later
I Will answe tomorrow.
Thank you Anonymous Donor
Only if I were scum.
And you can only speculate that based off of it I am scum. You have no proof, only misconstrued speculation that will deprive town a voter.
If I had an answer to that question I would gladly share it. But I don't. And even then, what stops me from answering with me being scum in mind?
You won't get a scum lynch off of me. The fact that you want it to be true seems biased to me.
It won't work this time, so good luck.
the Miller will flip spirit (its real rolecard) on death, in their role pm they have gotten the citizen/tribesman rolecard (or only one if they actually gave a presence)
Last edited by ika; November 19th, 2016 at 02:54 PM. Reason: I hate mobile posting
This is the wrong attitude to have. This is more about having an argument than actually finding scum on page 2. That aside, however, this kind of "we can't be sure of our scumreads" attitude can be applied to basically the entire game - not just page 3. To put it bluntly, this is a very defeatist attitude to have, and quite the non-opinion. I don't like it.
This is different from BC and Mesk being like "wtf this is page 1", because Mesk and BC simply found quick to be obnoxious / overanalytical to the point of being ridiculous, which is not the same as Arrow making this defeatist non-point.
Judging by the fact pretty much noone seemed to reply to this and it kinda faded into obscurity (I'm on page 80) this subtle defeatist non point seemed to do its job, if Arrow is scum, and was a pretty useless contribution, if Arrow is town.
I can't even keep track of the arguments here. So we're pressuring Rhamur simply to try and scare him, and meanwhile, Deathworlds thinks Stereo is scum and needs to be lynched.
Post 113
What's the point of this comment? If you've got something against someone on the Mesk train, then just say it. This vague "attack-on-noone-in-particular" only throws shade on the Mesk train without making a real point. If a scum reads this comment they're just gonna be like "oh looks like people are suspicious of the Mesk train - I'll be more cautious about making my voting look legit" - you're just giving the scum advice LOL.
I dunno, you seem to actually townread Mesk but this looks like a really indirect, round-about way of attacking the Mesk train that won't convince anyone in particular. If a town on the train reads this they're just gonna think "Well I still scumread her - I'm definitely not taking advantage". This just looks like white-knighting in case Mesk dies tbh.
Maybe you were trying to see if anyone will pussy out of the train with this really vague remark... Meh...
I'll give you developed thoughts later - It's 1AM, I'm a slow reader and I only just started page 11. Here are my thoughts thus far:
The way you're talking to people is very obnoxious. Arguing with people about irrelevant shit and being condescending/annoying doesn't actually help move the game forward, or convince people to vote with you. Right now, you're on your way to being lynched for feigning being a "VI" (I learnt that term too lol) - I wouldn't necessarily disagree with such a lynch myself, given your current behaviour.
If this is planned, this is a shit plan. Being seen as the VI is not a good thing, even if it is technically a townread. A VI-read is a stone throw away from a scumread or PL. Chill, and talk less nonsense =P
Lol. Wrong. I forgot you act like you know this game top to bottom. the only person who even remotely suspects me of being scum is jack and well I bet you more then anything he'll be scum. Read post 199for more details. Any logical person would not vote to lynch me. This is typical day 1 wifom/shitpost/light scum hunting. Even if I got lynched it wouldn't matter to me really.
If you think I don't contribute anything to the game or I am scum, go a head and start a lynch train. And when I flip my tribesman/citizen role you will see you wasted your lunch.
But if you actually want to play, go read post #199 and also read how jack has refused to answer any questions I put forth. If you don't, don't say it's on me!
Ita a shame some people feel the need to stretch the page out with their wall signatures
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
Tall avatars also play a part in making posts just a bit taller.
If I was going to say that, I would have just said "Unknown, your avatar is too tall, please shrink it". I am stating that taller avatars result in further stretched posts. I don't personally care, but more elaborating on what BC said.
Can we get back to scum hunting? I personally have nothing to share in that regard, but at this moment, does anyone want to share what they have thus far?
I am ok with a AR PL since he's never coming. We could wait for a replacement but I'm okay with lynching him.
I am also okay with a gyr, sj or stereo lynch. Yzb was useless last game and seems to be continuing the behavior. So I'm ok with that lynch too.
Stereo; pro tip: asking for leads and admitting to having nothing is a scum tell, shows us you're not actively scum hunting while asking for leads to seem interested in scum hunting when you don't actually care.
We have 2 people in reserve, let the host replace him instead of killing the slot. I'd rather someone who is posting be today's lynch.
I'd be okay with a Gyr lynch just to get that card out.
You'd have said the same thing if I omitted that bit.
Ikawolfs replacement policy is pretty open ended. If AR doesn't post by day end I'll switch to Grylander
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
PTB DAY 1 READS (so far):
Potential (OPERATIVE WORD) Town & why:
@Quick : Actively scum hunting. While only seemed to focus on me and mesk and our connection...or lack thereof one, he still attempted to push. His lack of understanding, and severe interest in pushing his agenda makes me town lean him hard. He had no reason to push as hard as he did, and thus clearly his mind is actively running scenarios. He's also coming up with reasons to back up his assertions, although they may be wrong, and filled with tons of paranoia. Still his effort lends itself to being town.
@Gyrlander : While he has offered no concrete proof of anything. He has been bringing unwanted attentiion to himself. And from what I gather from the group consensus, he's not that skilled of an FM player. While, potential first day policy lynch, i lean him town because while he just literally picked fights with everyone, and actively just sought to tunnel mesk because of personal differences, this alone doesn't make him scum in my mind, but rather just makes him seem very petty and unwilling to put differences aside to actually try and scum hunt. I feel like him just descending into OMGUS is reminisicent of DD, and DD turned out to be town. I just don't see a calculation here, and therefore very weakly lean him town.
@PowersThatBe : obviously alpha wolf, seriously, been dropping hints all game. Who would I be to not analyze myself. Clearly every good town MUST do some self reflection, and my sick memes, gifs, and attitude are wayyy to brazen to be town. Oh and I'm giving you reads. This was for you MESK hehe.
@yzb25 : While I don't like his style of play. Comes in gets distracted on telling everyone else what they're doing wrong, doens't end up really contributing a awful lot, then is afk all game and misses every vote. Blames timezones and rash behavior. However, he pointed out some things about Arrow earlier that were sitting in the back of my mind, and I agree with some of his reads. As a scum player, he would not take the effort to point out a very small transaction Arrow made. This shows me a focus only a town player who is actively try to scum hunt would do.
@Mesk514 : She's brought a lot of attention to herself this game. Shes offered some reads, gotten into 1v1 OMGUS with some people. Offered to policy lynch someone if we had reasons. Shes dropped sublte clues that she is town, and I think some of us have picked it up. She's also not really done anything that scum players would do, and I think she's smart enough to play scum a little closer to the vest, given she's usually always town and i think it would be a whole new world for her to be scum. So given she's fallen into typically day 1 Mesk behaviors, and given the fact that she's drawn so much attention to herself, I am very hesitant to read her scum at all.
@BananaCucho : Is taking the time to read rules, pushing for a day 1 policy lynch. Shes been active, giving her reads and input where necessary. She's keeping/or attempting to keep somewhat order in the chaos that has been this game. I just feel like a scum BC would not take the effort that she has displayed. Shes asked people to read her and to push her on things, and I don't see a scum asking people to do that. She could be just that good, but I read her as town.
@Unknown1234 : Not much from Unknown, but he has offered opinions and reads. Has been active when he could. Checks in, takes the time to respond to critiques. Is offering to put himself in Mesk's place. He could be whiteknighting her, I've seen him play a great town game as scum, but, eh, I just don't see it this game. Usually I have a bit of suspicion with him, but I feel like this game he's been pretty consistent in offering input and helping to push the dialogue forward, playing devils advocate when it really doesn't advance a scum cause at all.
@deathworlds : He's taken a lot of time and effort into developing reads. He's been using the RQS to literally scum hunt, which is good, that's sort of the design of the questions. However, I think he's reading way into some things, and i think he's hit the mark on other things, and I just don't see the point of a scum trying to go that indepth to develop the reads that he has and to push his agenda as much as he has.
@Firebringer : Haven't heard too much from FB, however, he's down for a D1 policy lynch and he's down for it to be Gyrlander. Hasn't really given us too much, he's fake claimed sheriff, and just done some stuff to draw attention that no one has seemed to pick up on or care about. I did witness him 1v1 a det last game, and pay the price for it, so his erratic behavior could make him a false positive. Only one way to find out, but he wont be D1 lynch, given I don't get a scummy vibe from his posts, I'm going to lean him town for now.
@AnassRhamur : NULL -- hopefully replaced soon. Just too lazy to make a sep category.
Potential Scum:
@stereo: Some of his RQS was dodgey. i'll admit DW made good points on some of it. Stereo's defense wasn't solid and didin't really convince me to change my opinion on some of his answers. I think it's strange that me and DW picked up on the same thing, and we both could be idiots, but I think there is some truth to it there. Also, he's been actively lurkering, I seen him at the bottom of the page. Yet he's asked for reads but has none of his own, claiming novice FM player as an excuse, which could be legit, but truthfully...it just seems odd that he would say he has nothing to contribute. So you're telling me 99.9% of the players have posted in some way but you have nothing to offer us, you have developed no reads? I find that very suspicious. Of course he said he had nothing to offer, because he could explain that away if I brought it up, which I did, and he responded "well you'd say that even if I didn't admit to it." -- well yeah, it's been a little over 24 hours and you don't have ANY contribution AT ALL? Only to defend yourself against your RQS?
@Arrow : Has literally offered us nothing of value. Answered the RQS and said "going to bed" then I saw him for an hour after that at the bottom of the page. "I was active other places" but why are you lurking at the bottom of this page if you're on other parts of the site? Has only posted a few times, and honestly, as yzb pointed out, his post was only to say we can't find scum so we should stop trying. This a great attitude for scum to have, because he can explain why he isn't scum hunting. "not enough players have come by" or "oh it's day one we're not going to find them this quickly." He's literally offered nothing, given no reads, and I just find it suspect that an old time Mafia player, warden, and site admin has no developed reads? This is the same criticism I gave Matt last game when he said "no feed back" and he flipped scum. Not saying matt and arrow play the same, but I just think its peculiar that someone with many years of experience doesn't have more to offer as town. I think he's playing a great scum game by letting some of us fight it out and him fading into the background.
@SuperJack : Has offered no reads other than tunneling me and mesk. He's clearly whiteknight gyrlander because mesk was mean to him. He questioned me endlessly, critiqued how I read people, and said he won't answer my questions until I answer his. I answered his questions, and he refused to offer any answer to my questions. He offered only a fluff version of what I said to him as one of my original answers, and really his whole targeting me and mesk he just took that from quick, probably as a means of pulling quick in to potentially get a train on me or mesk. Literally has offered nothing about anyone else in the game, and wont answer questions. I put up a scathing post (post 199) pointing out all of his "reads" and how bs they were. He's not scum hunted at all, claimed to be around all day, has offered nothing except to come at me or mesk.
These reads are subject to change as more information becomes available.
Do you have to mention me every time? Overuse of @ detected
Originally Posted by BananaCucho
@BananaCucho
It's a great way to get attention!
@BananaCucho don't make it all about you, everyone but @Stereo got a mention