S-FM 186: Firebringer's Improvised Game

[OrpZedWorlds]

Have you actually considered us to be on the chopping block?

~deathworlds

my nigga

[OrpZedWorlds]

Cool, so everyone posting ATM aka me and Hell Frog are scum.

Oh and Empathy isn't cleared town oh and Nic and RLVG is scum. You know what, anyone is scum but you, right? Since you only care about surviving.

Ah yes, please explain to me why town would care about surviving at MYLO.

~deathworlds

[Calette]

Ah yes, please explain to me why town would care about surviving at MYLO.

~deathworlds

You're not town. You're neutral. Derp derp derp.

[Calette]

Currently the votes are all over the place, so yes. You still need to fix your vote if you were being serious with that, by the way.

[OrpZedWorlds]

Something called reads.

So you value your ability to read players on D1 behavior over mechanical clues and setup analysis in a UPICK game?

LOL! So survivalistic here. "Please gladiator that other player so I can survive this lynch k thanks"

lol do you really want to play the "spin the other person's post from a different perspective" game with MattZed?

-Matt

[OrpZedWorlds]

You're not town. You're neutral. Derp derp derp.

Repeating the same argument over and over again is just bad. Reminds me when helz keeps saying "THE GAME IS MECHANICALLY LOCKED GG NO RE"

~deathworlds

[Hell Frog]

Have you actually considered us to be on the chopping block?

~deathworlds

Yeah, You would have been an excellent D1 lynch. I regret giving you time when I flat out bet your claim was bullshit and we would end up lynching you today.

Anyways. I will post my slots proposed course of action in a bit. We have been chasing down possibilities in between distractions so its taking me a bit longer than it should.

-Helz

[OrpZedWorlds]

Yeah, You would have been an excellent D1 lynch. I regret giving you time when I flat out bet your claim was bullshit and we would end up lynching you today.

Anyways. I will post my slots proposed course of action in a bit. We have been chasing down possibilities in between distractions so its taking me a bit longer than it should.

-Helz

Where is your explanation about how the game is "mechanically locked"?

~deathworlds

[OrpZedWorlds]

Yeah, You would have been an excellent D1 lynch. I regret giving you time when I flat out bet your claim was bullshit and we would end up lynching you today.

Anyways. I will post my slots proposed course of action in a bit. We have been chasing down possibilities in between distractions so its taking me a bit longer than it should.

-Helz

You have one hour to post substance. Spending all day promising something but not delivering is scummy.

-vote Hell Frog

-Matt

[Calette]

Yeah, You would have been an excellent D1 lynch. I regret giving you time when I flat out bet your claim was bullshit and we would end up lynching you today.

Anyways. I will post my slots proposed course of action in a bit. We have been chasing down possibilities in between distractions so its taking me a bit longer than it should.

-Helz

I feel like even though we have 19 hours left, we're going in circles at this point.

-vote TheDarkestLight

Empathy is right, this is a likely scum lynch.

[Calette]

You have one hour to post substance. Spending all day promising something but not delivering is scummy.

-vote Hell Frog

-Matt

Who is NOT scum according to your slot

[Calette]

Make sure to consult via Skype to look SO TOWN GUISE before you make your executive decision.

[Nicolas Cage]

Misrep.

RLVG's day 1: Says Callette is too passive. Posts lots of fluff. 0 scum hunting. Votes players with no reasoning. Makes tiny impact and no contribution worth noting.

So I do apologise, I will edit my statement. You have done fuck all for town.

Spoiler : Day 1 RLVG :

Role that someone is seen as a scum. WIFOM as scum?


Discount "You're going to get vigi'd".


Discount RLVG, unless he / she / it / whatever has multiple personalities disorder of 100 personalities. /s


Lol, welcome to European Lives Matter.


Passive-aggressive fluffception!


Let's cuddle together to keep ourselves warm from this cruel unloving world.


Unless it's an Improvised Game setup.


Calette is passive and not super actively scumhunting, should add that on.


You'd be surprised how many would be scummy from this argument then, like Nico Cago.


Stop the fluff, but continue being a fluffy creature called "sheep". Oh my.


The irony from this hydra.


I like TDL for using off-site playstyles and logic.


First legit vote that I agree with.


It's actually more common for town here to stall for some stupid reason.


What the fuck is this.


Fuck off with your nonsense.


Easy mislynches are easily looked upon and is an amateur move for Day 1. I don't agree with this.

Great big opening post result: No one gets any use of it. You just place lots of fluff, and on occasion place small meaningless remarks.

This is what he wanted to be so proud about:

I'm the scummiest by default here and you're not reading a few things I've pointed out.

What I have picked on is the psuedo vigi shot from Nic Cage, Empathy's "want to self vote", Calette's playstyle and some minor counters of points.

-Comments I said (copy and pasted) the word Vigi
- Mentions Ika trying to self vote (Like he does everygame)
- Basically translates somebody elses opinion on Callete
- "minor points" = fluff

Also 'sup fucks.

fluff

I'm the scummiest by default here and you're not reading a few things I've pointed out.

What I have picked on is the psuedo vigi shot from Nic Cage, Empathy's "want to self vote", Calette's playstyle and some minor counters of points.

Seeking gratification for doing a big postie! Shouting "HEY IM SO TOWN I MADE A BIG POST"

On the contrary, some players didn't pick their role or asked to randomize it. Le Hinterino.

Claims his role was randomed (Never leaves breadcrumbs/soft claims to what it is)

It's a hydra however who can fill in for the other and discuss in a different way than we do, hence any plays can be different and thus invalidating the "emotional than logically" claim.

What's your opinion about TDL, Nicosama?

-Wants other people to give input. Does not give his own input.

Let's ask opinion about just about everything at this point.

fluff

Spoiler : Special message to Nic Cage :

fluff

So anyway, I'd like to hear that TDL analyze from that Nic hydra.
Asking Mike to do it specifically is just self discriminating lol.

fluff

RLVG's Ultra Sexy Vote Counter :

Click the voted player's name (top) to check their profile, click the voting player's names (bottom) to see their vote post.

Hell Frog (2 [L-3]):
Calette, Spearheading Female Tank

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Spearheading Female Tank (1 [L-4]):
Empathy17

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TheDarkestLight (1 [L-4]):
Hell Frog

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Empathy17 (1 [L-4]):
OrpZedWorlds

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OrpZedWorlds (1 [L-4]):
TheDarkestLight

fluff

Dafuq is a V read? Virgin?

fluff

I am a virgin and don't really care about that stuff, sooo...
Fuck.

Vampires want virgin blood. FUCK



Setup speculation. Don't forget the bastardized roles, the randomized roles and those with negative benefits with a positive gain.



Bitch please, that's no indication on alignment lol. If I feel I need to catch up, I make a huge single post with things I pick on.
I don't want to be FM Batman and post the fuck out of everyone by having 1 quote per post.

fluff

My softclaim is the best kind of softclaim.

fluff

Nope. I gave a role hinterino.

fluff

I'll be less vague. My role ain't suggested at all, I asked for random. Lolz.

fluff

'k, passive as fuck grills.

-vote Calette

Votes Calette for being passive. That is the only reason.

Toadette going pro lynch while subtly bitching about how stupid no-lynch is.
TDL having weird opinions day 1.
MattZed being aggro as fuck and Calix scumhunting. Wait...

fluff

fluff

You don't agree with me then?

Wants others to join him on Calette, gives 0 reason

Prodding. Reactions. Day 1 is meta-day.
You two are so fucking passive compared to normal play.

RLVG on repeat.

Hmm, I'll accept this.

-vote Empathy17

Non-Backed vote. Empty Vote.

RLVG's Sexy Votecount :

TheDarkestLight (3 [L-2]):
Calette, Spearheading Female Tank, Hell Frog

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Spearheading Female Tank (1 [L-4]):
Empathy17

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Empathy17 (3 [L-2]):
OrpZedWorlds, RLVG, Funcall

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OrpZedWorlds (1 [L-4]):
TheDarkestLight

fluff

Damn, it took like 10min before the site loaded again lol. Fuck that.

fluff

Well, the servers ain't the best in the world.

fluff

Lol at the mistake. I'm wondering why the lynch is set though, when it was L-1 technically.
If mistakes like these allows one to become a mayor, this is gamebreaking.

fluff

Also calm down guys, people make mistakes here and there if they're familiar of something that's the opposite of what happened.

fluff

STILL WAITING ON THIS OMG
This is TDL being a jerk lol.

fluff

Where am I and Nic Cage?

Question that weilds no useful result

But that isn't your role. IC is confirmed from the very start of the game, lolwut.
If this is what you've submitted, then just lol. This is something that can be faked at any time.

The role fishing of this hydra, the explicit outburst, that they're a "miller" and someone claims being an Innocent Child which isn't confirmed, this is just a massive big red herring.

-vote OrpZedWorlds

This whole discussion is just...

This is perhaps the only thing worth reading that RLVG posted.
Votes up for rolefishing, by rolefishing...

It's the opposite of what you're having lol.

I want Vigilante, I get fucking Doctor. Much opposite. (Not a claim)

fluff

Ah, like that. Very well, one cycle.

This fucker.

-vote Nicolas Cage

Again, another useless vote for no reason.

What would be a paraphrase and what would be a quote, say, the text is "Thou must", do we phrase it as "We must"?

fluff

If I would put a disguiser in a non-anon game, I'd make it so that the disguiser disguises as the role and alignment of the person and cleans the role of the victim.

fluff

Oh, there's a literal night chat for all?

Goodies!


"OrpZedWorlds Is Vulnerable To Death Tonight."
This is omnious as fuck.





Not tonight hun.

fluff

I personally think Calette should be more aggro, and Frog is being too agree-ish. Meta on hydra sucks though.
It's short and shitty, I know.

The whole game. Has mannaged to still say Calette is too passive. Thats all RLVG has managed to do. Apart from now he says frog agrees to much. And that he is just looking at Meta.

[Calette]

As a note for future games, you do not need to label every single post with 'fluff' for a case. If you want to make a point, just lump all the fluff posts together.

[SuperJack]

As a note for future games, you do not need to label every single post with 'fluff' for a case. If you want to make a point, just lump all the fluff posts together.

[Nicolas Cage]

[AIVION]

I WANNA POST OUTSIDE MY HYDRA TOOOOOO!!

Kay I feel special Now <3

[OrpZedWorlds]

Who is NOT scum according to your slot

Honestly? You're my strongest townpick because of mechanics; if you're scum, then either you're immune to detection on your rolecard, (which I don't rule out, but consider unlikely Fire would troll us THIS hard with detectives failing) or Frog was lying; but if Frog's lying he'd have to be scum with you, which means Frog is a Mafia Wagon Cop.

After that, there's the RLVG/Cage matter to sort out. Given RLVG's response, I'm inclined to think he's the one that shot Tank and that Cage is an honest detective and our strongest TPR. Then, between TDL, Hell Frog, and Empathy, I have to pick a neut, town, and mafia. First instinct is to do it just in that order; TDL is tunneling hard on Frog, which looks to me like an exec, and they can only target town. I also see an exact-role cop as a likely scum role. On the other hand, I've seen Empathy as highly defensive to being lynched, possibly survivor. From there, I'd probably pick TDL as the Mafia over Frog due to roles, but if I see Frog's "plan" involving sparing RLVG, I'd be much, much more suspicious.

In other words:
1. Calette
2. TheDarkestLight
3. OrpZedWorlds
4. Spearheading Female Tank
5. Funcall
6. RLVG
7. Nicolas Cage
8. Hell Frog
9. Empathy17


-Matt

[Calette]

I WANNA POST OUTSIDE MY HYDRA TOOOOOO!!

Kay I feel special Now <3

Now I see why you and SuperJack get along so well.

[TheDarkestLight]

You're not town. You're neutral. Derp derp derp.

No, that's you. Get it right.

[Nicolas Cage]

[RLVG]

RLVG's day 1:

OMG we are a fucking miller......

Role that someone is seen as a scum. WIFOM as scum?



This isn't fluff, I'm questioning the value of this claim, if it's WIFOM, points out it could be scummy.

It becomes more likely that you will be lynched or shot by a Vigilante, however; otherwise, it would be too easy for Mafia to fakeclaim Miller as well.

Discount "You're going to get vigi'd".

This isn't fluff, I'm pointing out the usual deal of suggesting vigilante kills which is WIFOM and scummy.



Don't forget this :

I agreed with the vote of TDL, what more is there to say?
I called out on Empathy for the Self Vote, which is an emotional move and rather stupid to point out - an early indication of carelessness.
I said it's more common for Town to stall than for Scum to do so.
I called out on Nicolas' calling Empathy town for shitty reasons, if only he had better reasons.
I disagree more with Empathy.



That's all in the same post.

Fluff you say?



You're also nitpicking I hinted I randomized but didn't breadcrumb my role, no I didn't so stop being a dick about it lol. I only said my role was randomized.



Yes, I asked someone to give input while not giving input, I was not promted to do so.



You're also naming my post fluff, when it's explicitly questioning you to give a read on TDL without evading it and say "Mike can do it lolz".



You're also giving my Vote Counter a fluff, when I did work on it to include links to each post featuring the vote in question as well as a reference link to the player's forum profile for ISO.



My question about V Read isn't all fluff, it's a legit question for Frog to understand what the hell he is talking about.



Another post that was marked fluff, which is kinda fluff yes - but I called out on you for calling out on me for making everything on 1 post when I explicitly said that I don't want to make 100 posts in a row, like FM Batman / Cryptolol.



You call it fluff when I sarcastically say MattZed is aggro as fuck and Calix is scumhunting, which they werren't at the time which is their usual meta.



You're also saying my vote is empty, yes it is - but it is to add pressure, don't you yourself do this all the time? Hypocrite.



You call my callout on TDL fluff, lol.



My next "useless vote for no reason" isn't useless you prick lolz.

My question isn't a fluff either, it's legit.

The current subject was about disguisers, so it's not fluff when I present a possibility in the setup related to them, again a prick.




You misrep me so much that I will permanentally put my vote on you now.

[RLVG]

Desperate as fuck, Nicolas Cage, desperate as fuck.
You're desperate scum.

1v1 at this point, use your fucking Gladiator ability like you were called out to do.

[RLVG]

Also, you do realize that you're reading my regular playstyle, right? Lol.

[Calette]

If RLVG is claiming Super-Sheriff and Cage is claiming Detective and we're using night actions to determine the game, couldn't we just see what they came up with tomorrow? This pissing contest is getting more than a little bit ridiculous.

TDL is a better option for today.

[Nicolas Cage]

Also, you do realize that you're reading my regular playstyle, right? Lol.

Fuck Meta. This is Mafia not How well do you know RLVG.

[TheDarkestLight]

If RLVG is claiming Super-Sheriff and Cage is claiming Detective and we're using night actions to determine the game, couldn't we just see what they came up with tomorrow? This pissing contest is getting more than a little bit ridiculous.

TDL is a better option for today.

Your insistence on pushing a mislynch is making you look worse and worse.

[Calette]

Your insistence on pushing a mislynch is making you look worse and worse.

Why would I care what you think?

[RLVG]

Fuck Meta. This is Mafia not How well do you know RLVG.

Doesn't excuse the misrep fest of yours, overlooking the value of posts.

[Hell Frog]

Guys.. Please just don't put a stupid vote for a second. Give me time to wrap this up..

[Hell Frog]

Seriously. The scum can hammer so quick... be careful with that shit.

[Nicolas Cage]

Doesn't excuse the misrep fest of yours, overlooking the value of posts.

Overvaluing your own pathetic "contribution". Again I see.

[OrpZedWorlds]

Guys.. Please just don't put a stupid vote for a second. Give me time to wrap this up..

Don't worry, I'm giving you 20 more minutes.

Calette, why you ask me for your thoughts and not respond to them? Hurts my feelings. =(

-Matt

[Nicolas Cage]

Seriously. The scum can hammer so quick... be careful with that shit.

This sounds more like a hint than a warning.

[TheDarkestLight]

Why would I care what you think?

Mostly a comment for other people, your tunneling on me is quite interesting thought, makes me wonder if you have the executioner WC?

[Calette]

Mostly a comment for other people, your tunneling on me is quite interesting thought, makes me wonder if you have the executioner WC?

Don't flatter yourself by even offering that as a suggestion.

[OrpZedWorlds]

Mostly a comment for other people, your tunneling on me is quite interesting thought, makes me wonder if you have the executioner WC?

If Calette's neutral, why aren't you pressuring Hell Frog for confirming a neut, or Empathy for agreeing on Hell Frog's role? (unless you suppose Calette is neut that shows up as town and can roleblock-night chat?)

I'm not sure you really think they're neut.

-Matt

[TheDarkestLight]

Don't flatter yourself by even offering that as a suggestion.

Seems I struck a nerve. Did I catch you Miss Neutral? Or maybe you just want me dead because "I'm an easy mislynch" and you want to side with the scum.

[TheDarkestLight]

If Calette's neutral, why aren't you pressuring Hell Frog for confirming a neut, or Empathy for agreeing on Hell Frog's role? (unless you suppose Calette is neut that shows up as town and can roleblock-night chat?)

I'm not sure you really think they're neut.

-Matt

I do, and unless I misread, Hellfrog's role said it detects Mafia, rather than scum yes? Because if that is not the case, then the numbers simply don't add up, as I know that I am town.

[OrpZedWorlds]

I do, and unless I misread, Hellfrog's role said it detects Mafia, rather than scum yes? Because if that is not the case, then the numbers simply don't add up, as I know that I am town.

If that's your impression, you did indeed misread. Hell Frog said it detects scum, and Fire said that scum detection includes neutral, but that mafia detection would not. Hell Frog is thus claiming to have detected Calette as town, specifically.

Still think Calette is neut?

-Matt

[Empathy17]

I do, and unless I misread, Hellfrog's role said it detects Mafia, rather than scum yes? Because if that is not the case, then the numbers simply don't add up, as I know that I am town.

is says scums. i recheck and jsut got home so no angleshooting

[TheDarkestLight]

If that's your impression, you did indeed misread. Hell Frog said it detects scum, and Fire said that scum detection includes neutral, but that mafia detection would not. Hell Frog is thus claiming to have detected Calette as town, specifically.

Still think Calette is neut?

-Matt

Then quite simply, Empathy is lying, or Hell is neutral, because numbers simply don't allow them all to be town.

[Calette]

Then quite simply, Empathy is lying, or Hell is neutral, because numbers simply don't allow them all to be town.

Or you're scum. It's also just that simple.

[OrpZedWorlds]

Then quite simply, Empathy is lying, or Hell is neutral, because numbers simply don't allow them all to be town.

And you're so confident in your read that Calette is a neut trying to get you lynched, even if it mechanically is so powerful that such info likely gives you the scum team?

-Matt

[TheDarkestLight]

Or you're scum. It's also just that simple.

Gosh, you're not even willing to consider the possibility that I'm town are you? You know, it's really bad play to not consider all the possibilities. But then again, I'm not surprised since it's coming from you, and you're garbage at reading anyways.

[Calette]

Gosh, you're not even willing to consider the possibility that I'm town are you? You know, it's really bad play to not consider all the possibilities. But then again, I'm not surprised since it's coming from you, and you're garbage at reading anyways.

Out of arguments so you resort to cutting down my play as you always do.

You can't defend yourself because you're scum, so you have to discredit. You're so obvious.

[TheDarkestLight]

And you're so confident in your read that Calette is a neut trying to get you lynched, even if it mechanically is so powerful that such info likely gives you the scum team?

-Matt

It's was based on numbers, most likely probability of who among the group was most likely to be neutral, based on interactions it was her. Apparently I misread Frog's role, so, unless Empathy is lying, then Hell or Empathy likely are the neutral.

And then scum are You and Cage/RLVG unless some shit went down.

[TheDarkestLight]

Out of arguments so you resort to cutting down my play as you always do.

You can't defend yourself because you're scum, so you have to discredit. You're so obvious.

Because it isn't good, heh. If you really are town I'm going to laugh at your abysmal reading if you get me lynched somehow.

There is nothing to defend myself from, you have NOTHING on me. Nothing AT ALL but your weak scumhunting.

[Hell Frog]

Cage Vs RLVG
This is two slots who have both stayed out of the spotlight. Here are the situations:

Cage is town with a peek on scum RLVG- RLVG claims being viewed as scum while Cage claims Detective seeing RLVG kill tank. In this situation RLVG is scum who killed tank and Cage is town detective

Cage is scum trying to mislynch RLVG- Scum only needs this 1 bad lynch to win and scum cage used this to hard claim feedback and lock in their win. RLVG claimed a soft role which makes little sense for scum to claim in this situation.

Cage is town and RLVG is town- Pretty much impossible but it would require some kind of witch nonsense. I do not really consider this because its extremely unlikely and requires multiple night actions as well as going directly against what I hold to be true given reads of other players.

With this in mind Cage/RLVG is TvS.


Calette+Empathy+Me

Empathy's role is 100% confirmed to me- He identified my role exactly and his check on me makes huge sense from a town perspective. By checking me he verify both myself and Calette. This is optimal use of his night action and townie as hell. In addition to that we have already gone over how he was semi mechanically confirmed town. Very strong town read.

Calette- Straight up town peek on her slot from my night action that was verified by Empathy. Pretty unquestionable but that aside her interactions today are heavily town. She is pushing in the right ways and providing original reasoning that has very low potential to come from a scum perspective. Confirmed town from my perspective

Me- I know I am town. I am not going to bother making a case : )

Situation

Short of Mafia killing Neutral tonight we have to correctly lynch or the game is over for us. Accepting that Empathy+Calette+Me are semi-confirmed town that leaves 3 scum in OrpZedWorlds+RLVG+TDL+Cage. Accepting that Cage+TDL is TvS there is a 50% chance between them but it also means that because Empathy+Calette+Me are semi-confirmed town that both OrpZedWorlds and TDL must both be scum. Now lets break those two down..

OrpZedWorlds

-Insane contradictions within the hydra. This is scummy because putting multiple scum in a slot makes it harder for them to keep their lies straight. Exactly who said what and why is challenging. On top of that they were voting a slot that 2/3 of the Hydra did not scum read. The only excuse for this is that the more passive heads allowed the more aggressive one to push the vote. And to be clear- this was a lynch push. Not a pressure push.
-Willingness to flip trains for a lynch in the event his current train did not pan out
-Blatant flailing on trial with a fake role claim to 'stay alive'
-Extreme survival focus in the night chat only focusing defensively justifying actions, taking reads on his slot into a tangent, and discrediting pushes against him
-Today even with a revealed night action against a player suggesting it is scum the slot chose to try to discredit the Calette+Empathy+Me group beguiling the situation. This is a critical lynch and the slots focus was to put more people into the lynch pool as opposed to locking down the most likely scum player.
-Gives me 20 more minutes to post with tons of time left when I say "Be careful because scum can hammer"

Survival focus + truckloads of non-town actions = Neutral

TheDarkestLight

-Very opportunistic plays early on bidding for Empathy's loyalty and swapping reads under pressure. This is flat out a scum play that I pointed out in my first posts this game
-In night chat he basically called OrpZedWorlds super obvious scum but then pushed with OrpZedWorlds
-Today his focus has been on everything but the slot he called obvious scum the night prior. He has been pushing to break the town block and ignore the Cage vs RLVG situation in favor of insane tangents with weak reasoning.
-Also 'Town read' by OrpZedWorlds who is crazy obvious neutral
-Holds back vote so he can scum hammer

Contradictions+Super scummy day pushes with a desire to keep slots alive he scum reads and avoiding blatant information = Mafia

Summary
I really rushed this last bit on TDL because apparently I am on the clock by the neutral but in general Orpz is the neutral, TDL is Mafia and either Cage or RLVG is the 2nd mafia. I strongly believe our best course of action is to lynch TDL today especially given that Calette has the ability to RB. She has a 50/50 chance of preventing a NK tonight with this plan.

-vote TheDarkestLight

[Calette]

Because it isn't good, heh. If you really are town I'm going to laugh at your abysmal reading if you get me lynched somehow.

There is nothing to defend myself from, you have NOTHING on me. Nothing AT ALL but your weak scumhunting.

And this grandstanding/ flailing. Take your pick, it's funny either way.