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    Re: M-FM Batman [Gamethread]

    Quote Originally Posted by MFM Beaver View Post
    To be honest, I think Armadillo is actually becoming our best bet. After thinking it over, it does seem very unlikely that he would get both a doused and witched notification, even if he turns town it does give us information to the fact we confirm a Drug Dealer and Witch/Jester, and if he is scum then.. well that is self explanatory.
    Precisely. Even if Armadillo turns up town, lynching him gives us great information. Narrowing down the neutrals to those two roles is huge, it means we won't ever have to worry about Executioner WIFOM or Amnesiac/Student role-changing. And the closer we are to having a full mafia role list, the better.

    Worst case scenario is Armadillo turns up Jester. Which now that I think about it is a distinct possibility.

  2. ISO #102

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    List of people that haven't shown up yet:
    MFM Cat
    MFM Dolphin
    MFM Elephant
    MFM Rabbit
    MFM Tiger

    I know this took over a month to start, and everyone was expecting heavy modkills, but I hope everyone eventually gets here or reserves can take over. Would suck, especially in this setup, to have any modkills, especially on important roles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFM Snake View Post
    Posting night results barely hurts anything. The Riddler still has 18 people to guess from.

    Also, I'll do the classic little question thing for attention checking.

    1. What is your alignment?
    2. What role/alignment were you hoping to be?
    3. Who do you think is the biggest threat to the town overall? (Joker/Riddler/Mafia)
    1. Scum
    2. Scum
    3. Mafia. I consider anyone prioritizing NK's above finding Mafia scum.

    Shit answers to the first two because these were bad questions

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    Heh I was gonna put my money where my mouth was and vote Horse but I just got to the day event.

    Armadillo was drugged and witched? It took me a few grapes to think it over, but I think it's possible, especially since last night was random.

    It's important to note there was no kill either. Was anyone attacked and healed? That's likely not a drug since Armadillo was drugged, so it's a pretty good (albeit not confirmed) town tell.

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    Re: M-FM Batman [Gamethread]

    Alright so I'm totally here, and I had an idea pop into my head while driving and it might turn out to be a massive brain fart on my part, yet I want a second/third/fourth opinion.

    The Riddler can kill as many times in the day as he wants to unless he fucks up, then he has to wait. So my suggestion is when there is someone we want lynched we force them to role-claim. This exposes them to the Riddler, and allows him to kill them, letting us save the lynch for someone else.

    "But why the fuck would the Riddler do that? It only helps the Town, you're a fucking dumbass". Oh sure, but the Riddler wants to kill off people. Everyone would claim a Town role -unless they have balls and claim a neutral role, which the Riddler wouldn't want to kill, but I would lynch a neutral role anyways-. The Riddler wants to kill Town people, so if he was smart he would try to kill them.

    "Why would he bother? We'd probably lynch the person that claims anyways, get gud skrub." Because if he does that and then we lynch someone else he's effectively gained two kills. Sure it might be a Mafia, but he can always side with the Joker, and if it's the Joker then he can always side with the Mafia. And if he person he targeted is the Joker or Mafia then well, he wouldn't have killed him.

    "Yeah but if he fucks up three times he's revealed, the person could lie so why would he bother when he could fuck up?" The answer is in the question. If he messes up twice then obviously he would stop doing it. "But how would we know when he stops?" When he doesn't kill anyone anymore. Also if he simply chooses not to kill that person, then that is good for us since it results in one less KPN.

    We either keep the Riddler mostly stagnant, or we effectively gain a second lynch.

    "You're fucking scum, your plan just involves a fuck ton of townies getting killed." Sure this might happen, but we know if someone dies that they were telling the truth, and this allows us to scum hunt for the rest of the day. "But what if he saves it for the last minute?" Well then there is no difference between that and a lynch. Also, if we learn the person we were trying to lynch was in fact telling the truth about his role, and this gives us time to ponder and rethink what we were doing to potentially get a more accurate lynch the next time.

  10. ISO #110

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFM Kangaroo View Post
    Alright so I'm totally here, and I had an idea pop into my head while driving and it might turn out to be a massive brain fart on my part, yet I want a second/third/fourth opinion.

    The Riddler can kill as many times in the day as he wants to unless he fucks up, then he has to wait. So my suggestion is when there is someone we want lynched we force them to role-claim. This exposes them to the Riddler, and allows him to kill them, letting us save the lynch for someone else.

    "But why the fuck would the Riddler do that? It only helps the Town, you're a fucking dumbass". Oh sure, but the Riddler wants to kill off people. Everyone would claim a Town role -unless they have balls and claim a neutral role, which the Riddler wouldn't want to kill, but I would lynch a neutral role anyways-. The Riddler wants to kill Town people, so if he was smart he would try to kill them.

    "Why would he bother? We'd probably lynch the person that claims anyways, get gud skrub." Because if he does that and then we lynch someone else he's effectively gained two kills. Sure it might be a Mafia, but he can always side with the Joker, and if it's the Joker then he can always side with the Mafia. And if he person he targeted is the Joker or Mafia then well, he wouldn't have killed him.

    "Yeah but if he fucks up three times he's revealed, the person could lie so why would he bother when he could fuck up?" The answer is in the question. If he messes up twice then obviously he would stop doing it. "But how would we know when he stops?" When he doesn't kill anyone anymore. Also if he simply chooses not to kill that person, then that is good for us since it results in one less KPN.

    We either keep the Riddler mostly stagnant, or we effectively gain a second lynch.

    "You're fucking scum, your plan just involves a fuck ton of townies getting killed." Sure this might happen, but we know if someone dies that they were telling the truth, and this allows us to scum hunt for the rest of the day. "But what if he saves it for the last minute?" Well then there is no difference between that and a lynch. Also, if we learn the person we were trying to lynch was in fact telling the truth about his role, and this gives us time to ponder and rethink what we were doing to potentially get a more accurate lynch the next time.
    In theory this sounds cool, but, even if he agreed, the Riddler will probably either a) get fucked over beacuse everyone who is about to be lynched fakeclaims to waste his guess, or b) not guess at all and force a day wasted on a mislynch. I dunno.

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    Re: M-FM Batman [Gamethread]

    Quote Originally Posted by MFM Snake View Post
    In theory this sounds cool, but, even if he agreed, the Riddler will probably either a) get fucked over beacuse everyone who is about to be lynched fakeclaims to waste his guess, or b) not guess at all and force a day wasted on a mislynch. I dunno.
    True but once he fucks up even once he could easily stop. Also a town person would not fake claim, that would be a scummy thing to do, so in the event that they don't die we can be decently sure they aren't who they say they are. And if it turns out they were Town and the Riddler just didn't bother... well he/she was going to die either way.

  12. ISO #112

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    Bad idea.

    Due to my aggressiveness, I normally get placed dangerously close to lynch and I always role claim and then vehemently defend myself to make sure no mislynch happens. Implementing your idea makes it so I can either fake claim and get mislynched or stick to my guns and claim my role and get shit on by the Riddler.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFM Kangaroo View Post
    True but once he fucks up even once he could easily stop. Also a town person would not fake claim, that would be a scummy thing to do, so in the event that they don't die we can be decently sure they aren't who they say they are. And if it turns out they were Town and the Riddler just didn't bother... well he/she was going to die either way.
    Hmm, interesting. Too bad we can't get personal approval from the Riddler himself, I mean, it would be hard to tell if he had opted to guess and failed or he just didn't go for it. I don't see why a role like the Riddler would try to side with town anyway, it's not like he can win with us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFM Rabbit View Post
    Bad idea.

    Due to my aggressiveness, I normally get placed dangerously close to lynch and I always role claim and then vehemently defend myself to make sure no mislynch happens. Implementing your idea makes it so I can either fake claim and get mislynched or stick to my guns and claim my role and get shit on by the Riddler.
    Both result in you dying, what difference does it make? All it does is potentially allow us a second lynch.

    Quote Originally Posted by MFM Snake View Post
    Hmm, interesting. Too bad we can't get personal approval from the Riddler himself, I mean, it would be hard to tell if he had opted to guess and failed or he just didn't go for it. I don't see why a role like the Riddler would try to side with town anyway, it's not like he can win with us.
    I'm not say we rely on it. It's more of an idea that "if it happens it works out for us". It does benefit the Riddler in a way in that he can kill a Town and potentially

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFM Kangaroo View Post
    Both result in you dying, what difference does it make? All it does is potentially allow us a second lynch.



    I'm not say we rely on it. It's more of an idea that "if it happens it works out for us". It does benefit the Riddler in a way in that he can kill a Town and potentiallysee a second Town fall. It has ups and downs for both parties.
    Derp, somehow cut off while I was typing...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFM Kangaroo View Post
    Both result in you dying, what difference does it make? All it does is potentially allow us a second lynch.



    I'm not say we rely on it. It's more of an idea that "if it happens it works out for us". It does benefit the Riddler in a way in that he can kill a Town and potentially
    If he played along, it would be awesome, but I just don't see the Riddler as a role doing such a thing, as he only has three times he can miss. If we get a roleclaim out of someone about to be lynched, we can see if he kills them assuming they've even looked at the game since the last month or so.

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    Re: M-FM Batman [Gamethread]

    Quote Originally Posted by MFM Snake View Post
    If he played along, it would be awesome, but I just don't see the Riddler as a role doing such a thing, as he only has three times he can miss. If we get a roleclaim out of someone about to be lynched, we can see if he kills them assuming they've even looked at the game since the last month or so.
    That is a problem, but it's a side note. As I said its a "if it happens it works out for us, yay" thing.

    Also I know investigative roles should not be outing due to getting killed every five minutes yet in the event they do would you think it smart for them to simply say "I'm an investigative role and got so and so as scum" not giving any details as to how they know. This would give the Riddler a 1/3 (1/4 if you consider Escort) chance. Which wouldn't be in his favor to guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFM Kangaroo View Post
    That is a problem, but it's a side note. As I said its a "if it happens it works out for us, yay" thing.

    Also I know investigative roles should not be outing due to getting killed every five minutes yet in the event they do would you think it smart for them to simply say "I'm an investigative role and got so and so as scum" not giving any details as to how they know. This would give the Riddler a 1/3 (1/4 if you consider Escort) chance. Which wouldn't be in his favor to guess.
    Could work, though, after the person he accused dies, the Riddler would probably be able to deduct what role they are or narrow it down to detective/lookout.

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    Re: M-FM Batman [Gamethread]

    Quote Originally Posted by MFM Llama View Post
    He talked, but ne never claimed any feedback.
    Oh,right.. I feel like he was a scum role now, with the Joker having a day burn, I don't see why you wouldn't claim doused unless you wanted the Joker's attention. Hell, it would be pretty funny if he was actually the Riddler.

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    Re: M-FM Batman [Gamethread]

    Hello all. My apologies for my first post being almost halfway through the day, today was a super busy day which sucks, I'll try hard to participate since there's probably no reserves out there. I really planned on this being active about a month ago.
    Anyway!

    To start I received no feedback last night.
    No night kills is a good start.
    My most suspicious person right now is Narwhal due to his post :
    Quote Originally Posted by MFM Narwhal View Post
    Honestly, drugging a douse is a great idea, because the Joker ended up burning, and already placing the eyes on the one who claimed. Plus's with a possible Jester in play mafia drug dealer is not 100%. If we Lynch him that's two deaths already just from a drug deal.
    Armadillo got feedback as doused and witched.
    Narwhal is saying with a possible Jester that a drug dealer is not 100%? However if there was a Jester then that only accounts for one feedback claim which still leaves one more claim to account for since there can't be a witch and jester.
    In my opinion Armadillo is probably a clever jester and trying to provoke an early lynch on him.

    (also I was picking out an avatar and reading through the day. ^^ )

  31. ISO #131

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    I've been thinking about it, and it doesn't seem like such a great move to burn the way he did. Horse wasn't saying really anything too special, there wasn't much point in doing it to silence him. And it doesn't seem right to do it in response to Armadillo's dousing claim - at worst you expose a scum, and at best you expose part of the scum's role list.

    And Joker must have decided to burn after seeing Armadillo's claim (#64): the host answered several mechanics questions in #66, about 45 min after the claim. The Day Burn event (#77) happened a while later. If the Joker had burned before seeing #64, the Day Event would have occurred sooner.

    Theories why he would have done it anyway:
    a) Joker was testing to see if Horse was a Beguiler
    b) Joker wanted to see if his dousing target was night immune
    c) Joker just wanted us to spend time talking about it

    Discuss

  32. ISO #132

    Re: M-FM Batman [Gamethread]

    Quote Originally Posted by MFM Tiger View Post
    Hello all. My apologies for my first post being almost halfway through the day, today was a super busy day which sucks, I'll try hard to participate since there's probably no reserves out there. I really planned on this being active about a month ago.
    Anyway!

    To start I received no feedback last night.
    No night kills is a good start.
    My most suspicious person right now is Narwhal due to his post :


    Armadillo got feedback as doused and witched.
    Narwhal is saying with a possible Jester that a drug dealer is not 100%? However if there was a Jester then that only accounts for one feedback claim which still leaves one more claim to account for since there can't be a witch and jester.

    In my opinion Armadillo is probably a clever jester and trying to provoke an early lynch on him.

    (also I was picking out an avatar and reading through the day. ^^ )
    Hmm... I must have read over that. Yet then again, it could have possibly been a mistake on his part, we all make them.

    Yet what he said could be possibly if Armadillo is just a Jester and he lied about all of it. (Narwhal still would have made a mistake based on what was said specifically).

    It points to him potentially being Mafia trying to hide the fact that there is a DD though.

    Just my opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFM Zebra View Post
    I've been thinking about it, and it doesn't seem like such a great move to burn the way he did. Horse wasn't saying really anything too special, there wasn't much point in doing it to silence him. And it doesn't seem right to do it in response to Armadillo's dousing claim - at worst you expose a scum, and at best you expose part of the scum's role list.

    And Joker must have decided to burn after seeing Armadillo's claim (#64): the host answered several mechanics questions in #66, about 45 min after the claim. The Day Burn event (#77) happened a while later. If the Joker had burned before seeing #64, the Day Event would have occurred sooner.

    Theories why he would have done it anyway:
    a) Joker was testing to see if Horse was a Beguiler
    b) Joker wanted to see if his dousing target was night immune
    c) Joker just wanted us to spend time talking about it

    Discuss
    I doubt C. I personally believe that he was trying to get Armadillo lynched/have eyes on him so he could hide in the shadows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFM Zebra View Post
    I've been thinking about it, and it doesn't seem like such a great move to burn the way he did. Horse wasn't saying really anything too special, there wasn't much point in doing it to silence him. And it doesn't seem right to do it in response to Armadillo's dousing claim - at worst you expose a scum, and at best you expose part of the scum's role list.

    And Joker must have decided to burn after seeing Armadillo's claim (#64): the host answered several mechanics questions in #66, about 45 min after the claim. The Day Burn event (#77) happened a while later. If the Joker had burned before seeing #64, the Day Event would have occurred sooner.

    Theories why he would have done it anyway:
    a) Joker was testing to see if Horse was a Beguiler
    b) Joker wanted to see if his dousing target was night immune
    c) Joker just wanted us to spend time talking about it

    Discuss
    I'd say a combination of the three, maybe not b.

    Also, mafia team contemplation, for me, I'd say around the lines of

    Drug Dealer (This is essentially confirmed)
    Consigliere/Agent It's pretty unlikely that there are no investigatives throughout the entire mafia team
    Architect Now, this seems odd, but I think that, looking through the host's eyes, this could create some interesting situations. The mafia could end up being able to communicate with the Riddler or Joker. This is especially scary if they find the Riddler and they communicate their Consigliere finds...
    Janitor/Actress No roleblocked claims, no suited claims, framer seems unlikely.. The only thing left besides these two is Beguiler, which I don't think is a very strong role, especially with the Riddler in the game. I can't see things that influence investigative roles heavily in the game with the Riddler around, as that already screws them over enough.

  36. ISO #136

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    I don't know why the Joker decided to burn during the day either.
    I would just make a mental note that Armadillo made the dousing claim and that's it. I would only burn so their roles get erased to cause further town confusion.
    The only reason I can assume is that the Joker wants to kill as fast as possible by dousing and burning in a day/night cycle instead of spending a night to burn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFM Zebra View Post
    Why would he need to hide in the shadows? It's a 20 person game, we're all in the shadows to begin with, and no one had been in the spotlight.
    Prevent himself from being thrown into the spotlight.

    Still, the Joker would want someone lynched, yet wouldn't care who (as long as it isn't him), if the Riddler got lynched he would team up with the Mafia, if a Mafia got lynched he would probably go with the Riddler (How the Mafia does later could change that though).

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFM Tiger View Post
    I don't know why the Joker decided to burn during the day either.
    I would just make a mental note that Armadillo made the dousing claim and that's it. I would only burn so their roles get erased to cause further town confusion.
    The only reason I can assume is that the Joker wants to kill as fast as possible by dousing and burning in a day/night cycle instead of spending a night to burn.
    Also possible. For all we know it might have just been chance that he decided to burn when he did.

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    I liked LLama's list of tentative mafia roles.

    Quote Originally Posted by MFM Llama View Post
    A little speculation on the Mafia roles.
    Based off of likely-hood of appearance.
    Random Falcone Gangster: Investigative (Gathers information): (Consig, Agent, Mortician)
    Random Falcone Gangster: Death Manipulative (Manipulates dead player roles): (Janitor, Actress, Tailor)
    Random Falcone Gangster: Manipulative (Manipulates night actions/results): (Drug Dealer, Beguiler, Framer)
    Random Falcone Gangster: Supportive (Supports Mafia in one way or another): (Architect, Consort)
    They probably converted their Death Manipulative or Supportive role to Godfather.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFM Kangaroo View Post
    Also possible. For all we know it might have just been chance that he decided to burn when he did.
    1. Chance is non-existant, the Joker was thinking something when he burned no doubt about it.

    Quote Originally Posted by MFM Tiger View Post
    I liked LLama's list of tentative mafia roles.



    They probably converted their Death Manipulative or Supportive role to Godfather.
    1. Thank you!

    2. I was thinking the same thing at first, but I asked the host and he said that the Godfather retains whatever night ability he previously had. So I'm assuming they voted someone more important, such as manipulative, investigative or maybe architect.

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    Re: M-FM Batman [Gamethread]

    Quote Originally Posted by MFM Snake View Post
    I'd say a combination of the three, maybe not b.

    Also, mafia team contemplation, for me, I'd say around the lines of

    Drug Dealer (This is essentially confirmed)
    Consigliere/Agent It's pretty unlikely that there are no investigatives throughout the entire mafia team
    Architect Now, this seems odd, but I think that, looking through the host's eyes, this could create some interesting situations. The mafia could end up being able to communicate with the Riddler or Joker. This is especially scary if they find the Riddler and they communicate their Consigliere finds...
    Janitor/Actress No roleblocked claims, no suited claims, framer seems unlikely.. The only thing left besides these two is Beguiler, which I don't think is a very strong role, especially with the Riddler in the game. I can't see things that influence investigative roles heavily in the game with the Riddler around, as that already screws them over enough.
    I already speculated that posibility, if the host put an Architect into the game he most likely put an agent instead of an consig.

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    Re: M-FM Batman [Gamethread]

    Quote Originally Posted by MFM Llama View Post

    1. Thank you!

    2. I was thinking the same thing at first, but I asked the host and he said that the Godfather retains whatever night ability he previously had. So I'm assuming they voted someone more important, such as manipulative, investigative or maybe architect.
    Ah I did not know that. That makes the mafia even more dangerous.
    It's pretty hard to piece much together from what few claims we have so far. The fear of the riddler is pretty strong at the moment, no one can really force someone to reveal feedback without potentially revealing themselves.

    There's still the mystery of why there was no mafia kill last night?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MFM Tiger View Post
    Ah I did not know that. That makes the mafia even more dangerous.
    It's pretty hard to piece much together from what few claims we have so far. The fear of the riddler is pretty strong at the moment, no one can really force someone to reveal feedback without potentially revealing themselves.

    There's still the mystery of why there was no mafia kill last night?
    A few possibilitys

    1. They attacked an immune target.

    2. Roleblock.

    3. Target attacked and healed.

    4. They utilized every one of their night abilitys, and did not attack anyone.

    Personally I think 4 or 1 is most likely.

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    Re: M-FM Batman [Gamethread]

    Quote Originally Posted by MFM Tiger View Post
    Ah I did not know that. That makes the mafia even more dangerous.
    It's pretty hard to piece much together from what few claims we have so far. The fear of the riddler is pretty strong at the moment, no one can really force someone to reveal feedback without potentially revealing themselves.

    There's still the mystery of why there was no mafia kill last night?
    They could have hit Gordon or Batman, which is a scary thought... If they have an architect, hitting a night immune Riddler or Joker is an even scarier thought. Hopefully it's just someone who hasn't showed up yet who was attacked and healed.

    Also, I'm off to bed once again, I will be here for the day ending, but I don't think it will matter much because there isn't a lot to talk about because of the no claims and little night feedback. I predict the day to end in a no-lynch unless something huge suddenly pops up.

 

 

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