M-FM XXIV Civilization Gamethread

[Vine]

Tapatalk post 1-9

Spoiler : 1: Mechanics :

Buckle up ladies, because Tippensprechen isn't waiting till halfway through day 1 to inject serious discussion right into this thread's testicles.

Kick-ass Topic 1: Wonders
Wonders are pretty kick-ass and I'm adamant many of you are interesting in using them to compensate for your small... population. I believe everyone can agree that is it in the interest of peace to avoid wonder-sniping another peaceful(resulting in the loss of 25% of their production). The problem is that announcing that your plan to build a wonder would be down right retarded.

DO NOT ANNOUNCE THAT YOU PLAN TO BUILD A WONDER.
You might as well walk up to Hitler and show him your circumcised dick.


Kick-ass Topic 2: Day 1 Lynch
Detainers and Jailors are both nationally a lazy, do nothing people and can only jail a target on a no-lynch day. Lynches are sick nasty and history is my bitch as non-lynch days are extremely rare in older M-FMs and almost entirely found on the first day or in the endgame. If a Detainer is going to have a change to kill someone before his mid-game siesta it will have to be done tonight. During the interim between Day 1 and end game, if the Detainer survives, he will have the opportunity to build a school and gain another kill charge so he won't be impotent.

Kick-ass Topic 3: Helicopter Party
As a gesture of good-will and openness we should all drop-trow and wave our dicks around to show we have nothing to hide from each other.

Spoiler : You know what it is :

YOU DIDN'T KNOW WHAT IT WAS

Kick-ass Topic 4: Forges and Factories
I crunched some numbers and for the first 6 nights, it is more efficient to forgo building a forge. First 7 nights for the Factory. In the below graph production used to build a forge is listed in red, production used to build a factory is listed in yellow.

A peaceful rushing a factory killed on or before night 4 will waste 100% of their production.
Peacefuls for whom happiness and action buildings are useless should jump straight to a wonder or international project.

Kick-ass Topic 5: Kick-ass Topic 3
Seriously, we should Helicopter.

Spoiler : 2: Mechanics :

Yes, which is why Peacefuls should rush the International Projects and Wonders. If warmongers use two night actions they will lose happiness and won't be able out produce the Peacefuls.

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Spoiler : 3: Mechanics :

At this point in the game I consider a Nuclear more dangerous to Peace than the Researcher.

Spoiler : 4: Role speculation :

I can tell you with reasonable certainty that the host will reply with "No Comment".

You aren't meant to know. But it is my assumption that there will be few if any Peacefuls among the random roles.

Spoiler : 5: Mechanics :

Orange - I'm confused and irritated by your response. I don't know how you came to that conclusion from what I wrote.

Blue - Peacefuls do not have night actions to gain unhappiness. A cultural would have to visit a peaceful 4 times to turn a peaceful into a jester.

Yellow - Topic three was obviously meant a joke and five was a four word reference to three. As one, two and four were entirely serious discussion points I find myself once again confused and irritated trying to figure out what exactly you are saying here?

Spoiler : 6: Mechanics :

1. It was the opposite, I was suggesting even taking a risky lynch today to prevent the detainer from being able to use his 1 kill.

2. Please list the other ways a Peaceful can lose happiness. The setup page says "All nations start with 1 Happiness."

Spoiler : 7: Mechanics :

I had assumed that was a syntactical misstep by the mods.

I believed this because it would be impossible to attain positive happiness. You would through yourself much further into the hole building a happiness structure.

Does building/production cause unhappiness?

If so, will a player that does a standard action and building/production gain 2 unhappiness for the night?

Spoiler : 8: Mechanics :

Absolutely ridiculous.

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Spoiler : 9: Mechanics :

I hesitate to entertain you but on the off chance you're serious; A wonder is no where near as good as a Power Role, the warmongers will still avoid Peacefuls.

[Fruit Ninja]

Half of the things you listed as "Mechanics" are not posts I would say are mechanics.

[Vine]

Tapatalk post 10-17

Spoiler : 10: Filler :

I've never used tapatalk before so I doubt it.


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Spoiler : 11: Mechanics :

Only one wonder makes any sense to apply to a class and that's the autovest one to the crafter. Otherwise the builder would either have to ensure the completion of the hunger games or reveal himself.

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Spoiler : 12: Mechanics :

Alternatively TPRs can skip their night action either tonight or tomorrow, and build full production to mass entertainment for tonight and N2 and on N3 they will have +4 happiness so that they can use their night action on N3 and N4 while only having used up a single charge by that point.

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Spoiler : 13: Mechanics :

To reiterate, a TPR is more valuable than a wonder, if you aren't using your night ability then you may as well be a Peaceful

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Spoiler : 14: Mechanics :

The problem with assigning a wonder to a role is we don't know which roles are even in the game. It is possible there are 0 doctors, though likely.

Furthermore, you need to consider the short term. Power roles are better off building happiness structures to use their abilities as many times as possible before they die.

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Spoiler : 15: Mechanics :

yes

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Spoiler : 16: Mechanics :

Care to rephrase that? I'm tripping balls and I'm having trouble parsing that.

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Spoiler : 17: "Scumhunting" :

I support a fruit ninja lynch.
Insistence on revealing what we've built is a means for warmongers to determine roles.
I DO consider setting yourself to invisible a scummy action.
The lynch priority post isn't so scummy because he's saying we should kill the NeutKiller first but because he's posting something irrelevant under the facade of posting something useful.

-vote Fruit Ninja

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[Vine]

Half of the things you listed as "Mechanics" are not posts I would say are mechanics.

I included organizing town actions under mechanics.

[Fruit Ninja]

Well you're labeling those wrong and you should feel bad.

[Vine]

Tapatalk 18-24

Spoiler : 18: "Scumhunting" :

Ah but that first instance is important. There are other ways scum can capitalize on invisibility but I'd prefer not to further incentivize it. Visibility also allows us to establish a pattern for activity as a preventative measure against future invisibility. If I know you're usually viewing the thread at a certain time I be confident you're avoiding posting even if you set yourself to invisible.

I constantly check this thread for updates but only post when I have something worth posting. I do not fear others seeing me online.

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Spoiler : 19: "Scumhunting" :

Today is not a troll day. The majority of the posts today have been meaningful discussion in one way or another. While I don't think I've agreed with a single of Vine's suggestions I'm glad that she is making them. Despite her feigned ignorance, I have a town read on her.

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Spoiler : 20: Resource :

I don't understand why hosts don't include this as a resource in their opening post. People without links haven't posted yet.

United Nations
Flappy Bird
iFunny
Kik
Bloons TD
Instagram
SnapChat
Angry Birds
QuizUp
Clash of Clans
2048
4pics1word
Candy Crush Saga
Cut The Rope
Fruit Ninja
Temple Run
Words with Friends
Tapatalk
Vine
Piano Tiles
Fall Down

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Spoiler : 21: Mechanics :

Not viable, using a vest costs happiness. Peacefuls have no way to constantly generate happiness and TPRs would have to forgo their primary night action to use the vest.

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Spoiler : 22: Mechanics :

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Spoiler : 23: "Scumhunting" :

Three hours till the end of the day, people have had 45 hours to post.

Blooms TD posted two pointless things in the first half hour and hasn't been heard from again, though he was viewing the thread this morning.

Snapchat had a particularly long hiatus but at least picked a side on the current lynch. Still woefully behind in terms of contributions.

Angry Birds made a single post yesterday where he agreed with one person and hasn't been heard from again

4pics1word with only 1 real contribution.

Piano Tiles with 3 posts, and all of them worthless.

Candy Crush Saga hasn't posted anything yet but I see him viewing this thread so he better speak up soon.

Flappy Bird basically shitting on the thread

iFunny, has an ok start with his first post, moments before this one but needs to keep it up
and finally WordsWithFriends having posted absolutely nothing.


Then we also have the people that are afraid of having people see them online. The four presently invisible 2048, Fruit Ninja, iFunny and Instagram. Instagram who appeared to have turned himself invisible some time around when he made this post.


These people comprise my current shit-list for taking info from town, either by removing it or by refusing to give it via conversation.

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Spoiler : 24: "Scumhunting" :

I've reread what I've written and I can definitely see my post on iFunny being interpreted as thinly veiled praise.

iFunny submitted his first post as I was about to submit mine. I read if and was glad to see something of substance rather than "I'm here more posts to come later". He needs to post a lot more substantive posts to make it off of the first part of my shit list. While being on the second part of my shit list for being invisible.

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[Vine]

Well you're labeling those wrong and you should feel bad.

Than discrediting me without evidence, explain what is wrong.

[Fruit Ninja]

Meh, too lazy. It is your labeling system so yeah.

What is the point of quoting his posts? What are you getting at?

[Vine]

Meh, too lazy. It is your labeling system so yeah.

What is the point of quoting his posts? What are you getting at?

For pigs like you!

[Fruit Ninja]

I don't think any of us asked to have tapatalk's posts quoted.

[Piano Tiles]

*walks into conversation about mechanics*

*looks around and then screams*

CAN WE DISCUSS SOMETHING DIFFERENT OTHER THEN HOW TO BREAK A MECHANIC RIGHT NOW?

*sits down and watches pissing contest ensure*

[Snapchat]

I'm Peaceful.
Was lured.
Current happiness +2.

*disappointed*

Could someone explain this for me.

We start off with 1 Happiness. If she was lured then she lost 1 happiness and gained it back putting her at +1 happiness still. If lured doesn't take a happiness then she gained 1 happiness and another 1 happiness from the cultural because she took no action putting her at +3 happiness. Idk if I am missing something, but idk how she is at 2 happiness.

[Words with Friends]

lured gains happiness so Vine is at 1 or 2 happiness.

piano, i have been trying.

both, reads so far? piano you have been rather quiet.

[Snapchat]

lured gains happiness so Vine is at 1 or 2 happiness.

piano, i have been trying.

both, reads so far? piano you have been rather quiet.

ok I am just trying to understand if luring counts as an action, but I guess it doesn't after reading through it.

[Words with Friends]

snapchat, peaceful do not gain action from not performing a night action.

it is my understanding lured don't perform an action if they had not submitted previously.

[Piano Tiles]

Could someone explain this for me.

We start off with 1 Happiness. If she was lured then she lost 1 happiness and gained it back putting her at +1 happiness still. If lured doesn't take a happiness then she gained 1 happiness and another 1 happiness from the cultural because she took no action putting her at +3 happiness. Idk if I am missing something, but idk how she is at 2 happiness.

*glares at people ignoring question to have discussion besides mechanics*

Cultural
You are immune to the detriments of Unhappiness. At night, you may visit a player to display a painting, forcing them to stay at home if they visited you AND visit another player to discuss music tours in your country, forcing them to visit you. The person you lured will gain 1 Happiness and the person you repelled will lose 1 Happiness, regardless of whether or not the ability was successful. 3 usages.

Answer it?

[Piano Tiles]

Does a lured target gain an extra happiness along with default happiness?

Maybe this can answer it.

[King Terenas Menethil]

Flappy Bird have been replaced.

[King Terenas Menethil]

Does a lured target gain an extra happiness along with default happiness?

Maybe this can answer it.

Yeah I think so.

[Snapchat]

lured gains happiness so Vine is at 1 or 2 happiness.

piano, i have been trying.

both, reads so far? piano you have been rather quiet.

Well even with her being lured I am hesitant to vote Vine. I just don't exactly feel like she killed Tapatalk. I could be obviously wrong and I will vote if needed.
I'm still not a big fan of Fruit Ninja for day 1 buddying.

[Snapchat]

Haiya guys.


So I noticed a train on vine, because I never liked him/her in the first place

-vote Vine

I'm down for a Clash of Clans or Quizup lynch though.

Things like this post is why I don't like Fruit Ninja much, but he could just be a town sheep.

[Piano Tiles]

lured gains happiness so Vine is at 1 or 2 happiness.

piano, i have been trying.

both, reads so far? piano you have been rather quiet.

Oh apparently I missed this. I have been quite more so that I am quite busy (work mostly). I haven't really read up on everything yet. Mostly what I have seen from everyone is this:

"Build this"

"No here's what we need to do"

"OMG THAT PLAN IS SCUMMY"

ect

Really I don't care overall who wants to speculate on what mechanics and roles and stuff, but anyone whose doing that is not getting town points from me. For me its a waste of my time and give me no info to work with in long run.

[Piano Tiles]

Also given the fact that everyone has basically said everything that I can think of, I don't have to much to say.

[Words with Friends]

snapchat, then vote fruit ninja if you don't like him. wagons help for info.

piano, even if it is a rehash you state where you are. rehash cannot be an evasion mechanism. give something or get on my shit list.

[Piano Tiles]

piano, even if it is a rehash you state where you are. rehash cannot be an evasion mechanism. give something or get on my shit list.

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Funny thing is, I'm taking a shit as I post this. When something catches my interest you will know. Reading a shit ton of post about mechanics and stupid crap is not worth my time.

So I'll take the shit list, or better yet the dip (as in weed) list.

[Instagram]

vine, are you satire? a lookout parked on conftown will out any scum who kill conftown.

then why didn't you not object to clash's plan like a good townie? the investigative under your theory would have no results to pass. you also said townies object to ban plans. i am beginning to think you jyst want any public plan.


instagram, how did i answer my own question?

You said yourself you are surprised the research didn't claim and try to coordinate with the town, because the research is not with us we need to assume the worst that he is against us.

[Fruit Ninja]

You said yourself you are surprised the research didn't claim and try to coordinate with the town, because the research is not with us we need to assume the worst that he is against us.

I'm not against you? Unless you are ze Doomsday Killer.

[4pics1word]

I'm not against you? Unless you are ze Doomsday Killer.

Are you claiming researcher?

Regardless of that, just stating my opinion that Fruit Ninja is still as scummy as I thought him to be yesterday. I'd go with either a Vine or a Fruit Ninja lynch for today, both are strong candidates for being scum.

[4pics1word]

Oh, of course I have no feedback to report, else I would have done so already.

I also don't quite like how Piano Tiles is treating this game, comes close to Fruit Ninja's behaviour actually, although I can kind of relate. Problem is that no contribution = no contribution.

[Fruit Ninja]

Also I gave a lure to someone.

[Instagram]

Also I gave a lure to someone.

If that is the case then you are not acting with us, however that action was not exactly against us. Would you be willing to tell us who the lure was given to?

[Words with Friends]

instagram, i bet the only lure this guy gave is a fishing lure.

as for the researcher, he can control his X to effectively be what he wants it to be. given he's a survivor unless he picks otherise, i am surprise. regardless of side. he is pkaying wrong.

[Words with Friends]

relooked...did you mean you lured someone fruit ninja or you gave someone the ability to lure?

the first means cultural, the second is researcher.

[Instagram]

Hey guys, I think its a good time for a survey.

@Vine Voters
1. Are you currently voting vine because he was lured to tapatalk?
2. Are you currently voting vine because you scum read?
3. Hypothetically, if I could prove that vine did not visit tapatalk would you still back the lynch?
4. If you answered yes to 3. Who would you vote instead?

[Instagram]

Sorry Correction.

4. If you answered no to 3. Who would you vote instead?

[Flappy Bird]

Ih dun replaced. Readen up n shit.

[Words with Friends]

1. Are you currently voting vine because he was lured to tapatalk?

partially. vine also presents bad strategies, refuses to scumhunt outside of mechanics, pretends to be dumb, pulls the newbie card and omguses. vine's reads are intellectually flawed as well. lured just makes it more likely she's not town.
2. Are you currently voting vine because you scum read?
see 1.
3. Hypothetically, if I could prove that vine did not visit tapatalk would you still back the lynch?
yes. because that would mean she lied about being lured. on day 1, lynch all liars is usually good policy.
4. If you answered yes to 3. Who would you vote instead?
see above. however, if magical fairies confirmed vine as town, i'd likely vote someone who is active lurking.

[Instagram]

Ok, so apparently 3. Was phrased poorly since there is no bus driver in play or anything, let me rephrase.

3. Hypothetically, if I could prove that vine did not kill tapatalk would you still back the lynch?

[Words with Friends]

3. it depends but that would make it much less likely for vine to be scum if vine did not do the kill. i don't see how that happens though logically.

[Candy Crush Saga]

Hello everyone. I will gladly be hammer for Vine when the time comes. Baaaaa and all that. Work in 5 hours. woohoo.

I received no feedback other than the "you are a confirmed townie"

21 2 8 23 9 26 24 25 26 21 9 26 12 is my code. I will decode it tomorrow to confirm on not disguised.

[Words with Friends]

are disguiser codes allowed?

[King Terenas Menethil]

are disguiser codes allowed?

yeah

[Words with Friends]

Hello everyone. I will gladly be hammer for Vine when the time comes. Baaaaa and all that. Work in 5 hours. woohoo.

I received no feedback other than the "you are a confirmed townie"

21 2 8 23 9 26 24 25 26 21 9 26 12 is my code. I will decode it tomorrow to confirm on not disguised.

everyone should do this because it is allowed. just post the answer in your first post.

[Quizup]

Ok, stop. This lynch is terrible. 1.Vine is probably town. 2.The lynch is high risk. If Vine is actually peaceful, we're handing doom a free kill.

On the other hand, we have a obvious scum in Fruit Ninja. What are you guys doing?

[Words with Friends]

"Gww fpjfc vh xdmd ie bqnrpmm suxfpt obhpw fxcgxx on swz ubzarw nwwl nohwawwm."

category: detective quotes (so no one can make up an answer)


quizup, why is vine town? she hasn't said anything that makes me think town. why is fruit ninja obvious scum?

[Snapchat]

I'm not against you? Unless you are ze Doomsday Killer.

Well with this he claimed Researcher which means 1. He isn't town and 2. He can side with mafia. We don't have much info on Vine and if she flips Peaceful then the doomsday killers gets 2 kills while this guy won't flip town and best case he is mafia or doomsday hiding behind a researcher claim or worst case we lynch a neutral that could potentially side with mafia. I feel like he is the best lynch to do

-vote Fruit Ninja

[Fruit Ninja]

I gave da lure to 2048. So yeah.

@Snapchat, do you want me to remove all feedback you get to prove I am researcher?

[Words with Friends]

-vote Fruit Ninja

ok yeah total focus on self preservation, instead of giving townies happiness, he wants to remove feedback. this can die.

[Quizup]

Words with Friends: Fruit literally claimed scum. And Vine's insistence on trolling even when they're about to be lynched says town.
Are you scum?

Snapchat: Summarize why you want to lynch Fruit for me.

[Flappy Bird]

Why you be clownen on my nigga Vine? Dat lynch iz straight up shit yo. Get off his nuts!

So heres da deal doe-
I am in favor of keeping him alive for the moment regardless of his role. He talks a lot and actually stirs shit up. This means if he flips scum down the road there will be content to analyze. He is one of the only players throwing read charts out and is very critical of players who post a lot but say very little. The sheep bother me almost as much as the logic behind this push.