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  1. ISO #51

    Re: Epilogue: The Moral of The Story

    These are fun to read--thanks Yayap. I don't suppose it's possible for me to do something similar?
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  2. ISO #52

    Re: Epilogue: The Moral of The Story

    Quote Originally Posted by vornksr View Post
    These are fun to read--thanks Yayap. I don't suppose it's possible for me to do something similar?
    we could always pm yayap out thoughts and see if hes willing to edit it in. some players has become increasingly obvious based of how they play but i never went at it becasue of my neutral alignments

  3. ISO #53

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yayap View Post
    So some people have asked me to do a similar post analysis to the one I did back in FM3s graveyard, mainly me explaining what was going through my head and what I was trying to manipulate with each of my posts.

    If there are a decent amount of people that want me to do this then I'll spend the time to do it.. (I would edit posts and add some text in a specific color to give kinda a running commentary of the game)

    I would also explain what posts I find scummy and why.. as well as what I consider townish posts. Believe it or not, the current meta is extremely anti-town, to a point that what most people find scum slips or scummy posts are not and what they consider town tells are just the opposite in most cases.
    I would be interested in seeing this. And I would also like you to elaborate on your opinion of the meta.

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  5. ISO #55

    Re: Epilogue: The Moral of The Story

    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    he did day 1 already
    To clarify, in case people can't find it: go through & reread the actual Day 1 of the game again. Yayap has annotated posts (his & others) in light blue.
    FMII: Armorsmith | FMIII: Napoli Godfather | FMIV: Arsonist | FMV: Doctor | FMVI: Greed | FMVIII: Consigliere | FMXVI: Citizen | MFMXVII: Bus Driver | FMXX: Mason

    Il giusto è solo chi sa fingerlo meglio

  6. ISO #56

    Re: Epilogue: The Moral of The Story

    Is everyone interested in viewing everyone else's thoughts? I really don't see any reason for a single player to come in and attempt to have a massive impact on the current or future meta like this. Yayap was MVP and all, with my support for it entirely, but not to the level that the rest of the site needs to watch in awe as he blesses us with his wisdom.

    This is pretty stupid, the biggest egojerk I've seen on site (including from myself), and in my opinion goes against many ideas of Mafia that one should keep certain observations and ideals to themselves or risk turning the entire world into a cookie cutter system of players.

  7. ISO #57

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    Yayap has always done this, and at least when I used to hang out with the mod chat we talked about this sort of thing between every game. It's enjoyable, and I don't see how it changes the meta more than any other discussion about FM.

    And if it teaches people how to play this game better, I'm all for it. This game was pretty frustrating in quantity of low-quailty play, so I'm happy to see Yayap call some of it out. Moroever it's fun to go back & reread, like watching a movie w/ audio commentary.

    If anyone on this site deserves "the biggest egojerk" it's certainly him. Why are you so against it?

  8. ISO #58

    Re: Epilogue: The Moral of The Story

    This has been veto'd.

    Yayap is fantastic, but he is a single person and does not have the status to go in and comment on everything as if he invented the game of mafia. I am against any action that suggest people edit their play style to become the same player.
    Mafia is interaction of roles and interactions of personalities.

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  11. ISO #61

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    I'm kinda miffed on the editing of an FM to do something like that.

    I feel like, after reading a few of the commentaries he is making, that he is just summarizing what was said, berating it for not being "good", or explaining how it benefited him. I'd rather have had something explaining why Day One Discussion is bad or why Scum Tells we think are scum tells aren't scum tells.
    Last edited by Damus_Graves; January 10th, 2014 at 08:53 PM.

  12. ISO #62

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    I am against any action that suggest people edit their play style to become the same player.
    How is this what he's doing at all? This is equivalent to being opposed to talking about strategy in any game.

    Since when is your opinion so much more valuable than his? After all, you are just a single person and I'm against any action that perpetuates an oppressively bad site meta. (And I really don't give a damn about current mod hierarchy.)

    Yayap's expressing his view, but that's not going to dictate how future people play the game. He says he's against people playing dumb to hide their COM, but that's not going to stop me when I think it's in line with my role. He says that discussion is largely bad on d1 but that's not going to stop people from scumhunting, or from trolling, or from pretending to do so.

    I think it would be a cool tradition to start, to give the games' MVP the chance to comment in detail on the game once it's over.
    FMII: Armorsmith | FMIII: Napoli Godfather | FMIV: Arsonist | FMV: Doctor | FMVI: Greed | FMVIII: Consigliere | FMXVI: Citizen | MFMXVII: Bus Driver | FMXX: Mason

    Il giusto è solo chi sa fingerlo meglio

  13. ISO #63

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    Quote Originally Posted by vornksr View Post
    How is this what he's doing at all? This is equivalent to being opposed to talking about strategy in any game.

    Since when is your opinion so much more valuable than his? After all, you are just a single person and I'm against any action that perpetuates an oppressively bad site meta. (And I really don't give a damn about current mod hierarchy.)

    Yayap's expressing his view, but that's not going to dictate how future people play the game. He says he's against people playing dumb to hide their COM, but that's not going to stop me when I think it's in line with my role. He says that discussion is largely bad on d1 but that's not going to stop people from scumhunting, or from trolling, or from pretending to do so.

    I think it would be a cool tradition to start, to give the games' MVP the chance to comment in detail on the game once it's over.
    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    I'm kinda miffed on the editing of an FM to do something like that.

    I feel like, after reading a few of the commentaries he is making, that he is just summarizing what was said, berating it for not being "good", or explaining how it benefited him. I'd rather have had something explaining why Day One Discussion is bad or why Scum Tells we think are scum tells aren't scum tells.

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  15. ISO #65

    Re: Epilogue: The Moral of The Story

    Quote Originally Posted by Kusco View Post
    Perhaps another thread would be appropriate for that sort of analysis. I like going back to the archives and seeing what I saw when I was playing.
    ^

    i like hearing what players have to say about it, its much more time consuimg to copy and pase every post. i mean he did it in other fms in dead chat its not much diffrent here. even if its more of why its good for me or some of it but his post on me are rather helpful and i like it

  16. ISO #66

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    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    ^

    i like hearing what players have to say about it, its much more time consuimg to copy and pase every post. i mean he did it in other fms in dead chat its not much diffrent here
    Maybe he writes the thoughts on different players for different days, instead of different posts.

  17. ISO #67

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    He can express it. He can not go back and edit the game. This thread is specifically made for post-game discussion and any thread may be created in FM Parking to discuss how you saw a game or how you think the Meta might be able to be tweaked. He can not abuse access to FMGM as he did, and will not touch the grounds of an FM. This is absolutely unacceptable.

    Why is my opinion more valuable? Because I am active on this site, and more in touch with what people here will actually think. Yayap only comes in when he feels he wants to take control of the site again, and that is absolutely not going to happen. He can have his opinions, he can be good at the game because of them, and he can try to give them to people but he will not be editing an actual game to look how he thinks it needs to.

    Current mod hierarchy doesn't matter. As a player and a host, Yayap is free to take his thoughts to a different set of threads.

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  19. ISO #69

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slaol View Post
    He can express it. He can not go back and edit the game. This thread is specifically made for post-game discussion and any thread may be created in FM Parking to discuss how you saw a game or how you think the Meta might be able to be tweaked. He can not abuse access to FMGM as he did, and will not touch the grounds of an FM. This is absolutely unacceptable.

    Why is my opinion more valuable? Because I am active on this site, and more in touch with what people here will actually think. Yayap only comes in when he feels he wants to take control of the site again, and that is absolutely not going to happen. He can have his opinions, he can be good at the game because of them, and he can try to give them to people but he will not be editing an actual game to look how he thinks it needs to.

    Current mod hierarchy doesn't matter. As a player and a host, Yayap is free to take his thoughts to a different set of threads.
    not to be hateful or anythign but the bolded part is kinda just and egoinflation, there is some i do agree on but he is not changining the post itself, he is also making clear what he added. i say we put this to a poll and let the players decide.

    slaol: you may be active on site, you may be here more then yap, but i do disagree with the "in touch" part.

    @new post, i think you are overreaction and should let the players decide on this instad of steppign in like this, it should be a admin/elixer (the host) decision

    this is just my thoughts on it

  20. ISO #70

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    i'd rather not have the posts commented on. its like writing in a book.
    if he really wants to copy and paste over everything onto another thread, he can go for it and no one should be against it.

    FM XVII: Bonney Jewelry (Journalist)
    FM XVIII: Kalou (Savage Godfather)
    FM XX: Joseph Bertrand (Marshall)
    FM XXI: USA (Escort)
    FM XV: Whiskey (Whore)

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  22. ISO #72

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    Just to throw in my opinion:

    I really would like to see your thoughts Yayap, as it does provide a new perspective for some of us less experienced players. However, the historic threads themselves should really be left the way they are. It removes any ability to read through the threads without future knowledge (which makes a difference for those that did not play/observe the FM), and it is really biased towards one person's opinions on the game. If anyone should have the power to do that, it should be the FM's host themselves, but I would hesistate to even allow them to do so.

    As I said I would love to see other players' thoughts throughout the game, but the best place for that would be a separate discussion thread, not within the actual FM topics themselves.

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  24. ISO #74

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    personally after some thinking back and some talking, seeing the posts and everything, i understand better where the standpoitnt is coming from from both sides.

    i just think that its misunderstood that this thread is where the crtique goes, i just find that its here ppl just go "gg was fun"

    im thinking if we had a specific thread for it or had more claification that this was it it would be better.

    i feel like if every player trys to post thoughts here it gets cluttered and falls short.

  25. ISO #75

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    Hmm... Yayap sure did a lot of mess in the game. Ever since the game ended all you do is talking about him. I remember how he was one of the moderators, though.

    Don't you think that I made a major breakthough as well after playing this FM? How about you turn Yayap into a lone neutral killer next game and see how he pulls his win out, hmm?

    Spoiler : Forum Mafia History :
    FMVI: Seer FMVII: Lookout FMIX: Propagandist FMX: Arsonist FMXI:Janitor FMXIII: Corrupt Journalist
    FMXIV: Lookout FM XVI: Vigilante FM XVII: Host FM XVIII: Witch FM XIX: Bounty Hunter FMXX: Electro Maniac



  26. ISO #76

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    .-. I cannot believe I had such a game changing effect in one night...

    If the beast got under sasha's control....
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    fucketh me in the ass

  27. ISO #77

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    What, Yayap went in and edited FM posts?

    What?

    Why would anyone think that's okay? It's cool that you want to give us your perspective, but don't write all over previous games.
    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post
    You should be priviledged to experience bestmas.

    "waah the screen is shaking, waah my delicate eyes".

    Fuck sake.

  28. ISO #78

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fragos View Post
    Hmm... Yayap sure did a lot of mess in the game. Ever since the game ended all you do is talking about him. I remember how he was one of the moderators, though.

    Don't you think that I made a major breakthough as well after playing this FM? How about you turn Yayap into a lone neutral killer next game and see how he pulls his win out, hmm?
    You did what I couldn't in FM 14, and for that, I salute you!
    Quote Originally Posted by Elixir View Post
    You should be priviledged to experience bestmas.

    "waah the screen is shaking, waah my delicate eyes".

    Fuck sake.

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  32. ISO #82

    Re: Epilogue: The Moral of The Story

    The problem with post-game thoughts is that I think it's really easy for everyone to say "hey, look what I did! Look how smart I am" by highlighting specific posts where they were right or said something smart and making themselves seem better/smarter than they actually were by telling everyone how they knew everything the whole time, etc. Yayap is a smart player for sure, and he deserves his MVP, but I think his thoughts should be taken with a grain of salt, because I think it's very easy to apply post-game knowledge (whether intentionally or not) to make in-game statements/decisions have an entirely different meaning than they did while the game was in progress.

    That being said, I still want to see what he has to say. But I also agree that it should be done on a separate thread so that we still have an archive of the game as it was played. Is there any way to make copies of the game threads and allow him to comment on the copies? That way we can have both.

  33. ISO #83

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    Apo sees the editing of original historic documents to be quite unethical. Copy/paste the thread or something, but don't go editing the posts of the actual game that occurred.

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    Look what you have caused. Seems like everyone who posted is now confused about their own gender and are venting their frustration into opinions.

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  35. ISO #85

    Re: Epilogue: The Moral of The Story

    Hmm, I actually made a brilliant move back on Day 7 by making everyone believe that I could be the "priest". Since Ral Zarek actually did not told then that the recruit has failed, Meshuvel thought that recruit was succesful... or otherwise made everyone think that Sifa Grent is the hidden priest.

    Spoiler : Forum Mafia History :
    FMVI: Seer FMVII: Lookout FMIX: Propagandist FMX: Arsonist FMXI:Janitor FMXIII: Corrupt Journalist
    FMXIV: Lookout FM XVI: Vigilante FM XVII: Host FM XVIII: Witch FM XIX: Bounty Hunter FMXX: Electro Maniac



  36. ISO #86

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    i told meshuvel with a code, so he actually knew. i also told him at night to tell town if it fails. and i even asked him to reveal it in day chat. but still he didn't which pissed me pretty much off and was really not good, you're right. i couldn't say it because i wasn't revealed. but meshuvel almost made me reveal with that shit. (then you retracted your claim so i didn't have to reveal and every townie with half a brain knew you were scum (still it was better for you than sticking with your claim because i would have revealed and caught your lie))
    oh yeah and did i mention that meshuvel really sucked too when he didn't want to hear your fake claim? i dunno what was going through his head, what he thought what town you could possibly be...

 

 

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