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    Slaol hate thread.

    Raptor and I have briefly discussed allowing for personal attacks. This thread is a product of only myself, but you can all enjoy it.

    No one will be punished for personal attacks made against myself in this thread, and I would hope it would serve to give us a wide array of insults to look at for examples of "accepted" or "over the top", with the general goal of widening the range of acceptable attack angled statements.

    There will basically be 3 rules.
    1: No off-site information.
    2: Don't go over the top.
    3: Don't complain when a moderator closes/deletes a thread ruled "over the top"

    My current stance would be that Circlejerk would be open for attacks with no set rule as to what is over the top, leaving it to the moderation. However, no infractions will be handed out until someone flames at staff for moderating something deemed too much. This thread will also hopefully give us a good idea of what we might consider too much.

    I repeat: personal attack the shit out of me.

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    Re: Slaol hate thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mateo View Post
    It is not a trap. I want insults. Some over the top, some not so over the top to give us a good visual of what is what. Also, Staff has a rule that if a Global Mod states in the OP that a typical rule (no personal attacks in this case) is absolved for a thread then it is fact for that thread.

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    Re: Slaol hate thread.

    slaol is a massive lurker who needs to not sign up for games if he is going to lurk the shit out of it. he also need to improve as a host when it comes to conclusions or roleplay at times when it is needed. I am refering to case of fm-19 as well as m-fm 19. dodgeball is excluded due to rli type things.

    more is probally going to come

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    Re: Slaol hate thread.

    I mean if something gets heated in a cj 'discussion' you might hear me calling someone a:
    -cum guzzling cum dumpster
    -fallopian flapping vinegary queef
    and I might just cunt punt a bitch for good measure

    But a personal attack would be more in the lines of psycho-analyzing your opponent and attacking their weak point.
    For example, let's say you're dealing with a typical troll. You can mercilessly berate this dude with barrages of posts on the usual:
    -Neckbeard
    -Chronic Masturbator
    -Lives with parents
    -Unemployed
    -Has no IRL friends
    -In depth analysis of why *Slaol*, in this case, feels a need to troll to satisfy the lack of progress, intimacy, and social interactions IRL

    The above can easily become 6 posts per person. When you pile that onto cyber bullying from a group of dudes, it could easily get beyond the point of letting someone know they're acting socially unacceptable.

    While I am in favor of personal insults for the intended effect (to let a member of society know their actions will alienate them), I think the limit should be one personal insult per thread, thereby disallowing a full-blown lack of logic thread.

    Oh yeah, Slaol, you neckbeard cum guzzling cum dumpster. I bet you spend all your time on SC2mafia because you have no friends in real life. You're probably shaking hands with your best friend all day to some fetish porn instead of finding real intimacy with a woman. You should move out of your jack-off station out of your parents basement and get a real job instead of modding the most obscure part of the internet you'd be ashamed to talk about in real life anyway. Seriously neckbeard, wash your hands and get out of your parents house.

    Now imagine a minimum of 2 of these kinds of posts from 3 separate people (total 6 posts). It could probably crush someone's spirit and doesn't have a purpose of building a community. The limit should be one personal insult per thread, otherwise communication would just break down and people's feelings in real life, out of this little forum, would get hurt.

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    Re: Slaol hate thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    This is retarded.
    Simple: No Personal Attacks.
    Problem fucking solved.
    well it comes to question sometimes what a personal attack is, much like the thread you closed down on orpz, noctiz didnt care what he said. it should come to the person that is being attack to decide if its personal or not.

    another example is the lvp that you constantly complain about. if a palyer is offended by it they can report it. its not always a mods duty to stop every post or yell at someone for every post that can be CONSIDERED a personal attack.

    there are cases where even if the person doesnt care, the mod needs to intervene (like slaol stated in op), but that is more of case by case. i think if someone makes a thead thats is considered "personal attack" the person should be informed at least

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    Re: Slaol hate thread.

    This is the reason why Slaol is always my highest rated staff.

    Another thing, though PA(personal Attack) is allowed, it doesn't mean that I will do it and I will not get hurt.

    I just have a bigger heart to bear it than normal peep.

    But it is not divergent.
    When we talked about pubs, we are talking about us.
    When they talked about pubs, they exclude themselves.
    They say only bad players want to modify citizens, and they do not satisfy bad players.
    Are we bad players? We include bad players, but that is just a part of us.
    ---They put veteran, mayor, allowed jester to visit for nothing, and they regretted and say those things are brainless.

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    Re: Slaol hate thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    well it comes to question sometimes what a personal attack is, much like the thread you closed down on orpz, noctiz didnt care what he said. it should come to the person that is being attack to decide if its personal or not.

    another example is the lvp that you constantly complain about. if a palyer is offended by it they can report it. its not always a mods duty to stop every post or yell at someone for every post that can be CONSIDERED a personal attack.

    there are cases where even if the person doesnt care, the mod needs to intervene (like slaol stated in op), but that is more of case by case. i think if someone makes a thead thats is considered "personal attack" the person should be informed at least
    Incorrect.

    If I call you retarded, its a personal attack whether you are offended or not.
    If I make a rap thread about you stating how you need to ***, its a personal attack whether you are offended or not.
    If I make a hate thread about your dental hygiene issues it is a personal attack whether you are offended or not.


    The excuse of he has a thick skin is not applicable when determining if something is a personal attack or not.


    For example: Brunps thread about mods and his serious game thread is clearly a personal attack.

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    Re: Slaol hate thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    Incorrect.

    If I call you retarded, its a personal attack whether you are offended or not.
    If I make a rap thread about you stating how you need to ***, its a personal attack whether you are offended or not.
    If I make a hate thread about your dental hygiene issues it is a personal attack whether you are offended or not.


    The excuse of he has a thick skin is not applicable when determining if something is a personal attack or not.


    For example: Brunps thread about mods and his serious game thread is clearly a personal attack.
    it started out as a general topic for everyone to comment. it was later people started to change it to personal attacks.

    if everything you stated is persoanl attack, how come it still exist in cj? how come it exist in fms?

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    Re: Slaol hate thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    FM =/= Gen Discussion(s) therefore not my problem.
    Additionally Cj was deleted because of personal attacks. Do you really want that to happen again?
    sure we can have a cj 3.0 sometime down the road. slaol dooes have a point though, he made this thread to allow personal attacks.

    yes is is smod and above you and that stuff. but if someone makes a thread like slaol are you going to stop them?

    they made it out of their own free will and obviously dont seem to care if there are attacks. if someone does that would you stop them?
    Last edited by ika; December 13th, 2013 at 10:24 PM.

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    Re: Slaol hate thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    sure we can have a cj 3.0 sometime down the road. slaol dooes have a point though, he made this thread to allow personal attacks.

    yes is is smod and above you and that stuff. but if someone makes a thread like slaol are you going to stop them?

    they made it out of their own free will and obviously dont seem to care if there are attacks. if someone does that would you stop them?
    This entire point is ridiculous.
    I have already said a response to this and I am not repeating myself for you.
    Smod point is beside the case. The point here was personal attack is not subjective.



    Quote Originally Posted by ika View Post
    they have the same concepts about what we are talking no? why dont you report every post for the ohter mods to deal with it then?
    Its not my section. The mods for that section can deal with it. End of point.

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    Re: Slaol hate thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cryptonic View Post
    relax damus, you get upset too easily
    he seems to dislikes having me (or anyone who is not smod or higher) point things out that are true. he also seems to dislikes the fact that i have brought up a point about things. he has some reasoning about what he says but he seems to be tring to avoid it entirly.

    he doesnt like to deal with people like me when i ask or suggest something that may seemingly look stuipid or retarted at first glance (heck some of them end up being like that) but some of them are rather relevant and just likes to discredit the entire thing as a whole instead of adressing it all

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    Re: Slaol hate thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    If I call you retarded, its a personal attack whether you are offended or not.
    If I make a rap thread about you stating how you need to ***, its a personal attack whether you are offended or not.
    If I make a hate thread about your dental hygiene issues it is a personal attack whether you are offended or not.
    Damus is playing again. Then I will be here to break his game again.

    Damus says that PA is not subjective.

    That is pretty much an administrative definition toward PA, which is not arguable.

    Fine, but there is always a way to get around of administration.

    No one will call policeman and sue their opponent if cases can be solved out of court.

    And Damus,

    The reality is,

    If I call IKA retarded, then administration will recognize my action as personal attack, by their non-subjective definition,

    at the same time,

    If IKA claimed not offended, and if I intended to offend him/her,

    My personal attack action is then officially dismissed by ika;

    plus, the effect of my personal attack is too little to be harmful;

    which means,

    IKA will not ask you to infract me as an administrative decision.

    In conclusion,

    even if you, Damus, consider things in ranges of personal attack as administrative recognition.

    No administrative action is required.

    Another fact, Cj 1.0 was shut down for PA but it is not only shut down for PA.

    It was shut down because personal attacking post FLAMES people's rage.


    In my interpretation,

    Orpz petition is about two things

    1. Asking people who are offended be cool in circle jerk

    2. Asking administration lower their bar of punishment.


    If you Damus refuse to change the legal definition of Personal Attack,

    it is fine,

    just walk away and be cool.

    People will come to you and ask for help if they are in flame anyway.

    those things NEVER changes.

    Why did you lock the Orpz thread anyway?

    To be honest, I often think you over acted on your duty which makes this forum so intense.

    Sometimes, it is suspicious that if you do for fun or merely do as a job.

    You should relax.

    No one will PA you because everyone knows you are sensitive.

    EXCEPT ME!


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    Now, what is the safe range of Personal attack again?

    I think the person who are attacked should be able to dictate the issue.
    Last edited by louiswill; December 14th, 2013 at 02:31 AM.
    When we talked about pubs, we are talking about us.
    When they talked about pubs, they exclude themselves.
    They say only bad players want to modify citizens, and they do not satisfy bad players.
    Are we bad players? We include bad players, but that is just a part of us.
    ---They put veteran, mayor, allowed jester to visit for nothing, and they regretted and say those things are brainless.

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    Re: Slaol hate thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by louiswill View Post
    Damus is playing again. Then I will be here to break his game again.

    Damus says that PA is not subjective.

    That is pretty much an administrative definition toward PA, which is not arguable.

    Fine, but there is always a way to get around of administration.

    No one will call policeman and sue their opponent if cases can be solved out of court.

    And Damus,

    The reality is,

    If I call IKA retarded, then administration will recognize my action as personal attack, by their non-subjective definition,

    at the same time,

    If IKA claimed not offended, and if I intended to offend him/her,

    My personal attack action is then officially dismissed by ika;

    plus, the effect of my personal attack is too little to be harmful;

    which means,

    IKA will not ask you to infract me as an administrative decision.

    In conclusion,

    even if you, Damus, consider things in ranges of personal attack as administrative recognition.

    No administrative action is required.

    Another fact, Cj 1.0 was shut down for PA but it is not only shut down for PA.

    It was shut down because personal attacking post FLAMES people's rage.


    In my interpretation,

    Orpz petition is about two things

    1. Asking people who are offended be cool in circle jerk

    2. Asking administration lower their bar of punishment.


    If you Damus refuse to change the legal definition of Personal Attack,

    it is fine,

    just walk away and be cool.

    People will come to you and ask for help if they are in flame anyway.

    those things NEVER changes.

    Why did you lock the Orpz thread anyway?

    To be honest, I often think you over acted on your duty which makes this forum so intense.

    Sometimes, it is suspicious that if you do for fun or merely do as a job.

    You should relax.

    No one will PA you because everyone knows you are sensitive.

    EXCEPT ME!


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    Now, what is the safe range of Personal attack again?

    I think the person who are attacked should be able to dictate the issue.
    i agree, no PA but damus should not have power in cj

    or appley for that matter.

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    Re: Slaol hate thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yayap View Post
    People keep asking me why I disappeared from sc2mafia, why I haven't posted in who knows how long. Well its threads like theses that are just purely a waste of time to read and the overall quality of the site that has kept me in the shadows all this time. Oh and Slaol isn't a punctual fm host.
    What video game forum isn't a waste of time? Are you a 60 year old man or something?

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    Re: Slaol hate thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Numbertwo View Post
    I wouldn't call this forum a time well spent, lol. This makes me wonder if there is anything that isn't a waste of time.
    Game of Mafia has useful real life applications.

    Talking to retards tho is another matter... shouting to a brick wall is better time spent.

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    Re: Slaol hate thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Yayap View Post
    People keep asking me why I disappeared from sc2mafia, why I haven't posted in who knows how long. Well its threads like theses that are just purely a waste of time to read and the overall quality of the site that has kept me in the shadows all this time. Oh and Slaol isn't a punctual fm host.

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    Re: Slaol hate thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    FM =/= Gen Discussion(s) therefore not my problem.
    Additionally Cj was deleted because of personal attacks. Do you really want that to happen again?
    Yes I do sir. Those archived topics that were not deleted looked like a hell of a lot of fun.

    Besides. If we are all mature about this then there should be no problem. (This just is not going to happen and it will be entertaining)

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    Re: Slaol hate thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by louiswill View Post
    Damus is playing again. Then I will be here to break his game again.

    Damus says that PA is not subjective.

    That is pretty much an administrative definition toward PA, which is not arguable.

    Fine, but there is always a way to get around of administration.

    No one will call policeman and sue their opponent if cases can be solved out of court.

    And Damus,

    The reality is,

    If I call IKA retarded, then administration will recognize my action as personal attack, by their non-subjective definition,

    at the same time,

    If IKA claimed not offended, and if I intended to offend him/her,

    My personal attack action is then officially dismissed by ika;

    plus, the effect of my personal attack is too little to be harmful;

    which means,

    IKA will not ask you to infract me as an administrative decision.

    In conclusion,

    even if you, Damus, consider things in ranges of personal attack as administrative recognition.

    No administrative action is required.

    Another fact, Cj 1.0 was shut down for PA but it is not only shut down for PA.

    It was shut down because personal attacking post FLAMES people's rage.


    In my interpretation,

    Orpz petition is about two things

    1. Asking people who are offended be cool in circle jerk

    2. Asking administration lower their bar of punishment.


    If you Damus refuse to change the legal definition of Personal Attack,

    it is fine,

    just walk away and be cool.

    People will come to you and ask for help if they are in flame anyway.

    those things NEVER changes.

    Why did you lock the Orpz thread anyway?

    To be honest, I often think you over acted on your duty which makes this forum so intense.

    Sometimes, it is suspicious that if you do for fun or merely do as a job.

    You should relax.

    No one will PA you because everyone knows you are sensitive.

    EXCEPT ME!


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    Now, what is the safe range of Personal attack again?

    I think the person who are attacked should be able to dictate the issue.
    Ah...
    Ok. I'll mark that as a win for you

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    Re: Slaol hate thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    Ah...
    Ok. I'll mark that as a win for you
    I need to drink tons of eggnog to celebrate this before my final exam.

    wait,

    Did I make some critical grammar issue this time?
    When we talked about pubs, we are talking about us.
    When they talked about pubs, they exclude themselves.
    They say only bad players want to modify citizens, and they do not satisfy bad players.
    Are we bad players? We include bad players, but that is just a part of us.
    ---They put veteran, mayor, allowed jester to visit for nothing, and they regretted and say those things are brainless.

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    Re: Slaol hate thread.

    Quote Originally Posted by Damus_Graves View Post
    FM =/= Gen Discussion(s) therefore not my problem.
    Additionally Cj was deleted because of personal attacks. Do you really want that to happen again?
    If you didn't notice, almost all the personal attacks were against you by large amounts of people.

    If one person did it, whatever, but get the hint when there's over 6.

    YOU were the reason CJ 1 died, because you weren't (and still aren't to many) a very likable person.


    Oh yeah, and by the way, a lot of people think you're a zealous mod because no one liked you, you know, kind of like the kid who gets bullied becoming a cop and then being a total fucking cunt to everyone they meet.

    You're that cop.

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