Do violent video games make violent people?

[Bruno]

Discuss

[RLVG]

Sane people, no.
Insane people who have a psychologic issue, regardless of age, becomes insane.

"Grand theft auto made someone drive me over!"
"World of Warcraft caused someone to smash a chainsaw into his chest!"

No. In my arguement, games that cause people to become aggressive is mostly First Person games.



The biggest example is First Person Shooters. They make the game as realistic as possible for the generation, making the immersion extremely easy for a psychopat.
He'll be the character. He see every situation of the game. He's rewarded by being good.

What happens when you unleash this psychopat? He's inspired and may become violent.



That's why I think it's better to have a licence to be able to buy certain games. Kids play the games just like adults, bad parrenting. The 18+ marker is horribly placed though.
IMO, replace 18+ with Licence Required instead. If you got a licence, you can buy this game.

It's like Alcohol / Legal Drugs and Legitimation / Pass Evidence. A better solution than exposing it to a psychopat.



This makes me wonder, why is Alcohol legal? It causes more damage and extremies than smoke or most drugs.

It's kind of off-topic, but it's kind of easily compared in the same way. Games on psychopats = Bad. Psychopats are either easy or impossible to detect.

[Bruno]

No. In my arguement, games that cause people to become aggressive is mostly First Person games.

RLVG, I've been playing MILSIMs since before I started kindergarten, starting with Operation Flashpoint.

Are you saying that not only are my parents bad, but I'm also bound to go on a killing spree?

[RLVG]

RLVG, I've been playing MILSIMs since before I started kindergarten, starting with Operation Flashpoint.

Are you saying that not only are my parents bad, but I'm also bound to go on a killing spree?

Lol, don't cut the sentences out of contex. I had a whole arguement about psychopats.
Are you a psychopat? If not, then you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

When someone mentally ill become exposed to such aggressive games, they adapt to that this is normal and blabla, you get my point.

A note about psychopats... ADHD, Asperger's Syndrome, Autism, doesn't create a psychopat that ignore morality and logic, believing they are their ingame character.
Brain damage, PTSD, D.I.D, etc... Could be in the group of psychopat.

[Bunny]

I think it really depends on your mental state and your intentions. Some people enjoy shooting in real life and in games. Pair that with mental illnesses or a jaded psychosis and maybe they might get ideas from games or take it to the text level. But no, the average gamer isn't made violent from their games.

[Bruno]

Lol, don't cut the sentences out of contex. I had a whole arguement about psychopats.
Are you a psychopat? If not, then you shouldn't have anything to worry about.

When someone mentally ill become exposed to such aggressive games, they adapt to that this is normal and blabla, you get my point.

A note about psychopats... ADHD, Asperger's Syndrome, Autism, doesn't create a psychopat that ignore morality and logic, believing they are their ingame character.
Brain damage, PTSD, D.I.D, etc... Could be in the group of psychopat.

I know a lot of autists who don't have any morality. They just say and do shit whenever and wherever.

[Helz]

I think a violent life style lowers boundaries against violence. It doesn't make the problem but it won't hurt it either. What you surround yourself with will define your perception of reality. Make it bad enough and terrible actions can be justified to a rational mind. Mental illness helps but anyone can create this evil if they try hard enough.

[Mateo]

yes, if the player isnt mature enough to separate fantasy from reality. otherwise they just make people more accepting of violence.

[Espozito]

I think it's the people who are violent. Video games just show their true faces.

[Orpz]

I feel that video games is merely just one of many factors that contribute to making a person more violent. Sure, it probably helps but it's not that much more impact than, say, books.

Statistically speaking, there's no established cause-and-effect since the trend between violence and video games is 100% observed data, rather than tested.

[Frog]

Video Games, regardless of genre, are played due to effects in the pleasure centers of the brain. There is a reward for completing task in a game. Think addiction.

Violence is carried out as a defensive or predatory reaction to environment triggered by the adrenal gland. Think fight or flight.

PTSD can be caused by over stimulation to the adrenal glands, creating an addictive effect with severe withdrawal symptoms. Constant aggressive behaviour can be habit forming to create addictions. I don't see how pre-frontal cortex addictions can cause heightened adrenal reactions or violent instincts...

[Bruno]

Video Games, regardless of genre, are played due to effects in the pleasure centers of the brain. There is a reward for completing task in a game. Think addiction.

Violence is carried out as a defensive or predatory reaction to environment triggered by the adrenal gland. Think fight or flight.

PTSD can be caused by over stimulation to the adrenal glands, creating an addictive effect with severe withdrawal symptoms. Constant aggressive behaviour can be habit forming to create addictions. I don't see how pre-frontal cortex addictions can cause heightened adrenal reactions or violent instincts...

You're showinp spewing a load of pre-psych bullshit.

I've played plenty of games where I have received a release of adrenaline. Not only that, but there are documented cases where some people have been diagnosed with PTSD which may stem from video games.

So not only did you prove or disprove anything while repeating basic psychology from high school, but you gained post count while doing it. Nice.

[ika]

I feel that video games is merely just one of many factors that contribute to making a person more violent. Sure, it probably helps but it's not that much more impact than, say, books.

Statistically speaking, there's no established cause-and-effect since the trend between violence and video games is 100% observed data, rather than tested.

This is really the most accurate thing here so far, have you ever heard of the Columbine High School massacre in 1999?

song story short: Two senior students, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold, murdered a total of 12 students and one teacher. They injured 24 additional students, with three other people being injured while attempting to escape the school. The pair then committed suicide.

Now after looking through their homes and searching their stuff, they found that they were planning this. Not only that they were big players of the popular video games "Doom" and "wolfenstine 3d" in a video that they recorded before they left, one of them said "Its going to be like fucking doom." and "I hope we kill 30 of you." however they also went to see violent movies and such so video games were not the only cause.

Back to what RLVG said, the FBI found that "Harris was a clinical psychopath and Klebold was depressive."

There has been many debates of it as well in the past about video games and their link to violence. Mortal Kombat caused a serious debate when it came out due to its violent nature and had a hearring about violent video games and thier connections to violence.

To sum it up, video games can play a factor in causing someone to be violent, but I would not have it be the single cause for someone to go out and act violent.

[Dudemanguy12]

Remember when music was a "bad influence" in the 80s? This is how I feel about how people say violent games make violent people.

[oops_ur_dead]

ITT: "Video games can trigger pre-existing violent conditions, but won't actually cause them"

[Muso]

Video Games, regardless of genre, are played due to effects in the pleasure centers of the brain. There is a reward for completing task in a game. Think addiction.

Violence is carried out as a defensive or predatory reaction to environment triggered by the adrenal gland. Think fight or flight.

PTSD can be caused by over stimulation to the adrenal glands, creating an addictive effect with severe withdrawal symptoms. Constant aggressive behaviour can be habit forming to create addictions. I don't see how pre-frontal cortex addictions can cause heightened adrenal reactions or violent instincts...

Lawl. What is this????

[Nick]

Or violent people attracted to violent video games?

[louiswill]

I think everyone has their potential of being violent.

If we are just talking about people being violent, then video game dose cause more violence

Fantasy has been driving mankind. Game is the carrier of fantasies.

Criminal theme is one of the dominating themes in game industry today.

However, the effects shouldn't be over weighted.

The greatest fantasy is always freedom rather than violence.

Why anyone want to live a thug life in games? Same reason as being batman.

Great ability with little restriction.

For freedom!

[oops_ur_dead]

Lawl. What is this????

It's the result of someone taking high school "psych"

[louiswill]

It's the result of someone taking high school "psych"

In some asian country, one word literately called "Middle School Grade 2" aka 中二， is used to describe those people who are deep "poisoned" in fantasy.

Except it is not only referring to violence but a lot more things. FANTASYYYYYYYY

I guess those are psych too.

Except asian games are often more than western blood and steel style, so those influences are often not limited of violence.

[Frog]

Nice.

Thanks Bruno!

Lawl. What is this????

An honest attempt of answering the question without subjective opinions. Basically:
-Videogames and violence stimulate unrelated parts of the brain, therefore no causation correlation.

An alternative style of answering the question could be:

-I don't think video games cause violence because [insert personal opionion/anecdote] e.g. I play zombie cats, a FPS about shooting cats but I love cats in real life. Therefore videogames don't influence my actions in real life.

**Note: I hate cats**

What did I just watch...?! WANT MOAR!

[louiswill]

It was about behavior change related toward fantasy.

I'm thinking if a person could do something violent without being violent.

I mean those, professional soldier or butcher, rather than gamers etc.

I doubt video games contribute that much as society criticized anyway.

Even if so, it is not the video games to be blamed only.

[Helz]

PTSD can be caused by over stimulation to the adrenal glands, creating an addictive effect with severe withdrawal symptoms. Constant aggressive behaviour can be habit forming to create addictions. I don't see how pre-frontal cortex addictions can cause heightened adrenal reactions or violent instincts...

Coming from someone that has PTSD I call bullshit on someone getting it from a video game. That is just silly. I do agree that aggressive behavior can be addictive. Aggression is all about control. Aggressive people feel the need to control the situations they are in.

[Cryptonic]

Coming from someone that has PTSD I call bullshit on someone getting it from a video game. That is just silly. I do agree that aggressive behavior can be addictive. Aggression is all about control. Aggressive people feel the need to control the situations they are in.

But controlling every situations is how people with anxiety cope, and PTSD is an anxiety disorder. So, you're not really proving him wrong.

[oops_ur_dead]

But controlling every situations is how people with anxiety cope, and PTSD is an anxiety disorder.

No it isn't, it's a stress disorder.

[Bunny]

No it isn't, it's a stress disorder.

derp its an anxiety disorder.

[oops_ur_dead]

derp its an anxiety disorder.

https://www.dsm5.org/Documents/PTSD%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf

[Bunny]

https://www.dsm5.org/Documents/PTSD%20Fact%20Sheet.pdf

you can change the name to describe how the disorder started, but doesnt change the fact that the most common issue these people are dealing with is anxiety.

[oops_ur_dead]

you can change the name to describe how the disorder started, but doesnt change the fact that the most common issue these people are dealing with is anxiety.

https://www.ptsd.va.gov/professional/...teria_ptsd.asp

The criteria don't even mention anxiety.

[Cryptonic]

https://www.adaa.org/understanding-an...-disorder-ptsd

https://www.anxietyuk.org.uk/about-an...-disorder-ptsd

https://www.militarymentalhealth.org/...SD-NC-PTSD.pdf

https://www.medicinenet.com/posttraum...er/article.htm

https://www.psychologytoday.com/condi...tress-disorder

https://www.med.upenn.edu/ctsa/ptsd_symptoms.html

https://www.liveyourlifewell.org/go/ptsd

https://www.nimh.nih.gov/health/topic...rs/index.shtml

[oops_ur_dead]

https://www.adaa.org/understanding-an...-disorder-ptsd

https://www.anxietyuk.org.uk/about-an...-disorder-ptsd

https://www.militarymentalhealth.org/...SD-NC-PTSD.pdf

https://www.medicinenet.com/posttraum...er/article.htm

https://www.psychologytoday.com/condi...tress-disorder

https://www.med.upenn.edu/ctsa/ptsd_symptoms.html

Are any of those the DSM-V? Because, at least in North America, that's the only valid source for mental disorder criteria.

[Cryptonic]

Are any of those the DSM-V? Because, at least in North America, that's the only valid source for mental disorder criteria.

You posted the DSM-5, which most mental health communities are saying shouldn't be used...
AND all the criterion for it that you posted fits exactly with Anxiety.


Plus, you know there isn't anything called a "Stress Disorder", right?


Anyways, I posted like 5 well known Psychology websites that all say it's and Anxiety Disorder.

[Bunny]

They're practically all anxiety related, basically every last one of the criteria is anxiety related. Especially the feelings of guilt shame horror and anger, the frequent dreams and flashbacks. I've suffered from PTSD a few years ago and I have suffered from anxiety for ever. My psychologist and I have discussed the differences and the extreme similarities and how to tell the 2 apart do you can recover from the PTSD and learn to cope with the anxiety. But they are extremely similar. The DSM changed the named of EDNOS very recently and slightly changed the criteria but they are pretty exactly still exactly the same. They change these things to be able to include more people under the name and be able to treat them.

[oops_ur_dead]

You posted the DSM-5, which most mental health communities are saying shouldn't be used...

citation pls

AND all the criterion for it that you posted fits exactly with Anxiety.

I'm looking at my copy of the DSM-V and the criteria for PTSD and GAD are nothing alike.

Plus, you know there isn't anything called a "Stress Disorder", right?

https://www.istss.org/AM/Template.cfm...ContentID=5910

[Kusco]

Isn't this getting off topic?

[Cryptonic]

citation pls

I'm looking at my copy of the DSM-V and the criteria for PTSD and GAD are nothing alike.

https://www.istss.org/AM/Template.cfm...ContentID=5910

https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/inte...reaction-dsm-5

The credibility of DSM-5 has been irrevocably compromised by the recklessness of its decisions; the weak scientific support; and the poor reliabilities in the failed DSM-5 Field Trials. I doubt DSM-5 will remain the international standard for research journals; it will almost certainly not gain any clinical following outside the US; and it will also probably lose its role as the lingua franca of American psychiatry. - See more at: https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/inte....EossYgto.dpuf

PTSD isn't GAD.
GAD is an Anxiety Disorder.
PTSD is an Anxiety Disorder.

[Bunny]

citation pls

I'm looking at my copy of the DSM-V and the criteria for PTSD and GAD are nothing alike.

https://www.istss.org/AM/Template.cfm...ContentID=5910

difficulty concentrating, sleep disturbance and irritability

indifferent words, but basically exactly the same what was listed under ptsd

[oops_ur_dead]

I've suffered from PTSD a few years ago

The DSM-V came out in May of this year.

[Bunny]

The DSM-V came out in May of this year.

Yes an updated version its still mostly the same, they just change the names around and differentiate criterias to widen the umbrella to be include more symptoms and get more people help.

[oops_ur_dead]

difficulty concentrating, sleep disturbance and irritability

indifferent words, but basically exactly the same what was listed under ptsd

From the criteria of BPD:
"Anxiousness: Intense feelings of nervousness,
tenseness, or panic, often in reaction to interpersonal
stresses; worry about the negative effects of past
unpleasant experiences and future negative possibilities;
feeling fearful, apprehensive, or threatened by uncertainty;
fears of falling apart or losing control."

I guess BPD is an anxiety disorder too.

Yes an updated version its still mostly the same, they just change the names around and differentiate criterias to widen the umbrella to be include more symptoms and get more people help.

Okay so I guess PTSD doesn't actually exist and it's called Gross Stress Reaction instead. Also Anxiety disorders aren't a thing, it's just a renamed category of psychoses. No reason to adopt new names if the old ones work just fine.

[Bunny]

From the criteria of BPD:
"Anxiousness: Intense feelings of nervousness,
tenseness, or panic, often in reaction to interpersonal
stresses; worry about the negative effects of past
unpleasant experiences and future negative possibilities;
feeling fearful, apprehensive, or threatened by uncertainty;
fears of falling apart or losing control."

I guess BPD is an anxiety disorder too.



Okay so I guess PTSD doesn't actually exist and it's called Gross Stress Reaction instead. Also Anxiety disorders aren't a thing, it's just a renamed category of psychoses. No reason to adopt new names if the old ones work just fine.

anxiety is a comorbid condition of bpd.

[oops_ur_dead]

anxiety is a comorbid condition of bpd.

Depression is often co-morbid with BPD, schizophrenia and anxiety. Doesn't mean that BPD, schizophrenia, and anxiety are depressive disorders

[Bunny]

Depression is often co-morbid with BPD, schizophrenia and anxiety. Doesn't mean that BPD, schizophrenia, and anxiety are depressive disorders

I never said it did. If someone experiences ptsd in april of 2013 and they struggle with anxiety, in may does it mean that their diagnosis is incorrect and that they aren't struggling with anxiety caused from ptsd? No. Its so they can include more people with varying symptoms.

[oops_ur_dead]

I never said it did. If someone experiences ptsd in april of 2013 and they struggle with anxiety, in may does it mean that their diagnosis is incorrect and that they aren't struggling with anxiety caused from ptsd? No. Its so they can include more people with varying symptoms.

No it doesn't mean their diagnosis is incorrect. They still have PTSD, but PTSD is now classified as a stress disorder rather than an anxiety disorder. They can still have co-morbid anxiety.

[Bunny]

No it doesn't mean their diagnosis is incorrect. They still have PTSD, but PTSD is now classified as a stress disorder rather than an anxiety disorder. They can still have co-morbid anxiety.

i'm just saying to most people who suffer from mental conditions, these dsm updates don't really mean anything because changing the title doesn't change your condition.

[Bunny]

Anyways I do find it slightly disturbing when I see people, especially younget kids taking too much pleasurein killing people in games. I don't think that solely makes them a violent person but it makes them creepy and it might put more time spent into thinking about violence then if they were playing like badminton or something. Out of the violent people I know and have experienced violence from I know its not because of the games they play.

[Frog]

Judging by the anxiety disorder talk...
I think video games are more likely to cause you to be depressed, anxious, and wearing fat pants than a violent psychotic wearing fat pants.

May I suggest fat pants?
https://shop.lululemon.com/home.jsp

[Helz]

I really don't know or care what its classified as. For me I sometimes zone out and loose all bearing of where I am or what I am doing. I sleep just fine when I am not drinking. A lot of the guys I see in various sessions have to be able to see the door to the room they are in but having a PTSD dog helps a lot. The most common episode is an overwhelming fear at the realization you don't know where your rifle is. Getting in unfamiliar situations was real rough for a while as well.

A lot of the treatment is focused on completing thought processes. Its like thinking about something and you suddenly hit a brick wall. The train of thought ends there with a 'fuck it, I dont give a shit' or I just loose my grip on what's around me and zone out. Sometimes its thinking about stuff or walking through the situation and others its like a total void with regret and depression.

Anxiety plays a huge part and it starts from stress but its much more than that.