Jailor vs Vigilante Night One Kill

[SychinLegacy]

Just out of curiosity, why is it a Vigilante can't kill first night but a Jailor can? They both have the same effects since both are pun intended shots in the dark.

[Cryptonic]

Just out of curiosity, why is it a Vigilante can't kill first night but a Jailor can? They both have the same effects since both are pun intended shots in the dark.

cause a jailor can talk with his captive and gain some information from him. a vigilante can't.
Also, if a jailor jails an SK n1, he's screwed otherwise.
Make games start night to get around your issue.

[Slaol]

What Cryptonic said. I build my games to start on night since I think of Jailor as a 2nd shot at trial (I also make him unique), but Jailor gets information to go on as far as his kill. That, and good jailers won't kill night 1, but use the role block instead

[louiswill]

I always start at night as well. I even skip first night if I am jailor sometimes.

[Sinclair]

Yeah I was in a game recently where I was Godfather (my name was Totally Godfather, how funny) and n1 I was jailed and executed. I asked the jailor why he did it at the end of the game and he said because of my name. That's one reason why starting at night is a good idea.

What if DR adds an option where jailor can't execute on n1?

[Cryptonic]

Yeah I was in a game recently where I was Godfather (my name was Totally Godfather, how funny) and n1 I was jailed and executed. I asked the jailor why he did it at the end of the game and he said because of my name. That's one reason why starting at night is a good idea.

What if DR adds an option where jailor can't execute on n1?

then he would have to make SK not kill jailors

[Sinclair]

then he would have to make SK not kill jailors

True.

It's also weird that you say that.

A game after that I jailed the SK (not knowingly) n1, just to keep a random person safe. He didn't kill me. The next night I jailed him again. He killed me. 0_o

[Cryptonic]

True.

It's also weird that you say that.

A game after that I jailed the SK (not knowingly) n1, just to keep a random person safe. He didn't kill me. The next night I jailed him again. He killed me. 0_o

he was probably also roleblocked by escort/consort

[Titus]

Nope. SK kills roleblockers usually.

[Deantwo]

What if DR adds an option where jailor can't execute on n1?

then we'd simply have no reason to start the game on "Day1 with no lynch"... the only reason we start the game at "Day1 with no lynch" is so Jailor can jail something... dislike that... then start the game at Night1

if Jailor can't threaten the victim with death... the victim has no reason to talk... even more so now with Kidnapper in the game...

if Jailor can't kill on the first night... Kidnapper shouldn't be able to either... and that'd hurt the Kidnapper

[Cryptonic]

then we'd simply have no reason to start the game on "Day1 with no lynch"... the only reason we start the game at "Day1 with no lynch" is so Jailor can jail something... dislike that... then start the game at Night1

if Jailor can't threaten the victim with death... the victim has no reason to talk... even more so now with Kidnapper in the game...

if Jailor can't kill on the first night... Kidnapper shouldn't be able to either... and that'd hurt the Kidnapper

You really think the only benefit from day 1 no lynch is for Jailors? x.x

[Deantwo]

You really think the only benefit from day 1 no lynch is for Jailors? x.x

pretty much...
and maybe getting a feeling about who to kill if your scum... like killing the only person that didn't say "hey" or whatever...
ooh and Mayor can reveal... if he/she wanna be kidnapped...

is there other reasons?

[ika]

pretty much...
and maybe getting a feeling about who to kill if your scum... like killing the only person that didn't say "hey" or whatever...
ooh and Mayor can reveal... if he/she wanna be kidnapped...

is there other reasons?

one word:

Failor!

any jaior that exes on n1 is instantly a failor even if they exe scum. that is unless they were afk, gamethrowing, claims role np, or something of the sort

[Cryptonic]

pretty much...
and maybe getting a feeling about who to kill if your scum... like killing the only person that didn't say "hey" or whatever...
ooh and Mayor can reveal... if he/she wanna be kidnapped...

is there other reasons?

Day 1 is important because you can get to know others in your games and plan according to how their personality is.
As a protective, you can anticipate night actions and counter them.
As an investigative, you can find better scum targets.
As a scum, you attempt to appear less suspicious.
As an important PR, you can prevent yourself from getting killed.

Sure, it's not 100% accurate... but it's better than closing your eyes and clicking a name...