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  1. ISO #101
    BROnana
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    Re: Animal M-FM

    I claim sheep. On balance I think two sheep claiming is worth Timon and Pumba getting a night chat together. Scum might be more likely to hit PRs but they are also more likely to hit each other. I'm eating an ice cream so I'll post more in a bit.

  2. ISO #102
    SLAUGHTERmelon
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Quote Originally Posted by honeyDUDE View Post
    Only evil chooses to brand an entire race of fruits with a characteristic. Us melons are not so.
    LIES
    LIES AND HYPOCRISY
    YOU CNNOT SAY THAT IT IS EVIL TO BRAND A RACE OF FRUITS WITH A CHARACTERISTIC AND THEN SAY THAT AN ENTIRE RACE OF FRUITS HAVE A CHARACTERISTIC OR SHARE A BELIEF.

    YOU JUST ADMITTED TO BEING EVIL.

  3. ISO #103

  4. ISO #104
    honeyDUDE
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Quote Originally Posted by SLAUGHTERmelon View Post
    LIES
    LIES AND HYPOCRISY
    YOU CNNOT SAY THAT IT IS EVIL TO BRAND A RACE OF FRUITS WITH A CHARACTERISTIC AND THEN SAY THAT AN ENTIRE RACE OF FRUITS HAVE A CHARACTERISTIC OR SHARE A BELIEF.

    YOU JUST ADMITTED TO BEING EVIL.
    No sir. We do not believe that all apples are evil. If you read the rest of my post, you would see that we can see the goodness in your wife, and we know that she is not evil. There are many other apples out there that are not evil. They have merely been deceived by the apple aristocracy into believing that us melons are evil, when we are truly not. This is why we fight. We fight to bring the truth to light. We fight to free the good apples from the evil grip of the bad apple aristocracy that has clouded the judgment of and mislead their citizens into a false war against the melons.

    Not all apples are evil. Not all melons are evil. We can both live in peaceful coexistence if the evil apple overlords that tyrannize your society were to be overthrown, and the apple populace enlightened to the truth of how they have been treated, and deceived.

    Please help us restore the balance of fruit society; to bring peace through knowledge of the truth.

    Now, I must apologize, but I will be off for the next 9 hours, and will not be able to post further on the matter, or if I am, only very sporadically.

    See all you fruits when I get back. I hope you have been able to throw off the evil grip of lies that apple aristocracy has upon and you, and open your eyes to the truth, by the time I return. Goodbye for now...

  5. ISO #105
    MANGERlNE
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Timon and me visit BROnana!

    Pumba and BROnana visit me!

    All other sheep, visit me or BROnana as well!


    I recommend Winnie the Pooh only eats ONE of us sheep and not to do it too early, because if you help the mafias by eating more/sooner it'll be harder for you to win! Consider our sacrifice to be an offering for an alliance! If you manage to eat a bee first, you're free to consume 2 of our sheep!

  6. ISO #106
    SLAUGHTERmelon
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Quote Originally Posted by MANGERlNE View Post
    Timon and me visit BROnana!

    Pumba and BROnana visit me!

    All other sheep, visit me or BROnana as well!


    I recommend Winnie the Pooh only eats ONE of us sheep and not to do it too early, because if you help the mafias by eating more/sooner it'll be harder for you to win! Consider our sacrifice to be an offering for an alliance! If you manage to eat a bee first, you're free to consume 2 of our sheep!
    Whoa.
    Don't volunteer others to be eaten who died and made you Queen of England?

  7. ISO #107
    BROnana
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Sheep is a possible role in the town PR slot. This means there could be a higher number of truthful sheep role claims than there are sheep slots because sheep can also come from the PR slot. The orange mafia has the ability to kill 2 people on one night if a sheep is lynched so I expect there to be an extra sheep in the PR slot to increase the likelihood of town lynching one.

    We may get some indicator of how many sheep there are if everyone leaves in their last will which night their role block went through or if they haven't blocked anyone. Not only does this stop mafia from claiming the blocks of dead sheep but we can also use it to work out the number of sheep by counting the number of nights in the block cycle. There could be a problem with sheep blocking someone on the night they die as well as mafia not claiming to be blocked. To counter this:

    Every sheep must write a record of who they have blocked and who they are going to block in their last will.

    E.g.

    Night 1 - Blocked Player A
    Night 2 - Blocked Player B
    Night 3 - Blocked Player C (he claimed blocked)
    Night 4 - Blocking Player D <--- Died on night 4

    It is also useful to include any feedback messages you have received in your last will.

    With this information we can work out how each sheep fits in the cycle and will also be able to discover any mafia who have lied about not being blocked.

  8. ISO #108
    MANGERlNE
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Quote Originally Posted by SLAUGHTERmelon View Post
    Whoa.
    Don't volunteer others to be eaten who died and made you Queen of England?
    Pooh needs to eat at least one of us to win with town. Otherwise he wins with red mafia.. so I think the sacrifice is fine.

  9. ISO #109
    BROnana
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    @ SLAUGHTERmelon & honeyDUDE

    Why have you ignored MANGERINE's plan and are trolling instead? Can you not think of anything to say about the plan that won't make you look scummy?

    Pooh must eat at least one animal to win so to win with red mafia he'll have to eat a bee and 2 sheep.

  10. ISO #110
    SLAUGHTERmelon
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    mass coordination of night actions always ends up getting everyone killed or misinforming everyone
    ever wonder why they dont do it in full FMs anymore? and your avatar makes me wanna kill the person in that pic bronana. if i met that asshole in real life i would rape and murder his family while he watched and then tear him to pieces while still alive.

  11. ISO #111
    MANGERlNE
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Good plan BROnana. The sheep count is indeed useful for finding false sheep claimers. When we know the sheep count and when our roleblock was successful, we will also know when our next successful roleblock will be.

    And you're right, I was mistaken about Pooh. It's actually easiest for him to win with town if he just eats 1 sheep. If he does eat a bee though, he'd have to eat 3 sheep to be with the town again. That'd be quite hard to manage.

    mass coordination of night actions always ends up getting everyone killed or misinforming everyone
    ever wonder why they dont do it in full FMs anymore? and your avatar makes me wanna kill the person in that pic bronana. if i met that asshole in real life i would rape and murder his family while he watched and then tear him to pieces while still alive.
    Except this is "mass coordination" of citizen actions, most of which won't do anything. Timon and Pumba will be able to get a night chat if they go along with this, which I think is worth "losing" one night action.

    Timon will be able to see everyone who visits BROnana as well, so he and Pumba will know several likely sheep together. Mafia can hide among them to get some cover, but most actions are quite wasted on a sheep.

  12. ISO #112
    BROnana
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Quote Originally Posted by SLAUGHTERmelon View Post
    mass coordination of night actions always ends up getting everyone killed or misinforming everyone
    ever wonder why they dont do it in full FMs anymore? and your avatar makes me wanna kill the person in that pic bronana. if i met that asshole in real life i would rape and murder his family while he watched and then tear him to pieces while still alive.
    Basically what MANGERINE said. This isn't mass coordination where every PR must visit a certain target as usually each PR thinks they know best and will go after whoever they think is scummy. This plan only requires two PRs who probably want to get a night chat and to a lesser extent a load of citizens who don't have much of a night action anyway. If a rogue sheep decide to block someone else even though it could greatly harm town and has little benefit, the chance of him successfully blocking Timon or Pumba is small.

    Why don't you like Jamie? Jamie likes you and wants to make you less obese.

  13. ISO #113
    AppleyHO
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Quote Originally Posted by MANGERlNE View Post
    I doubt much is gonna happen today so I HAVE MADE A PLAN TO BE USEFUL WOOHOO

    See? Now where was I. Oh yes, THE PLAN. Well here it goes. Ahem.

    Tonight, hot manpig Pumba should track me and Timon should watch my target. That way we can get Timon and Pumba in a night chat easily! Even if my block doesn't go through, I will still visit my target.



    But what about the interceptor?!?! I hear you ask. Well, that's a problem that's easily overcome!

    Timon is safe when visiting my target! Yay! And if they make pork chops out of me, Timon will know who the interceptor is! So I'm safe too! Yay! All we need now is AT LEAST ONE MORE SHEEP TO VISIT ME, so that hot manpig Pumba will be okay too if they send an interceptor to me! If I get roleblocked, it doesn't matter!



    Us sheep are the ultimate interceptor fodder! KAMIKAZE!

    FUN FACT: Pigs are some of the smartest animals on earth.

    You must all love me now. I'm so juicy IT HURTS!
    This idea. Is perfect. Although, We shouldn't have too many sheep vising you in case one of us roleblocks you

  14. ISO #114
    BROnana
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Thanks for pointing that out. This could be a problem. I'll ask in the FAQ.

  15. ISO #115
    AppleyHO
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Quote Originally Posted by BROnana View Post
    Thanks for pointing that out. This could be a problem. I'll ask in the FAQ.
    Never mind. Sheep are immune to roleblock. I forget to read the role card.

  16. ISO #116
    AppleyHO
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Quote Originally Posted by AppleyHO View Post
    Never mind. Sheep are immune to roleblock. I forget to read the role card.
    I think. I've been up for about 20 hours now so I'm tired. So if I am spewing random shit out that's why. I think I am just going to go to bed.

  17. ISO #117
    BROnana
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    If blockers can stop non-blocking sheep from visiting we will have to find a third party to direct the other sheep and escort onto. Then the only problem we have is with a possible consort which makes it critical that anyone who has been blocked reports this. If it is found by a coroner or a tracking role that you have hid this information you will be lynched.

    Quote Originally Posted by AppleyHO View Post
    Never mind. Sheep are immune to roleblock. I forget to read the role card.
    The FAQ states that role blockers are immune to role blocks. I don't know whether that applies to sheep who are not role blocking on that night.

  18. ISO #118
    MANdarine_orange
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Reporting in. Nothing happened to me. brb catching up

  19. ISO #119
    leMAN
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    *agrees with plan*

    For the record nothing happened to me last night.

  20. ISO #120

  21. ISO #121
    honeyDUDE
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Quote Originally Posted by BROnana View Post
    @ SLAUGHTERmelon & honeyDUDE

    Why have you ignored MANGERINE's plan and are trolling instead? Can you not think of anything to say about the plan that won't make you look scummy?

    Pooh must eat at least one animal to win so to win with red mafia he'll have to eat a bee and 2 sheep.
    Checking in from my phone. Roleplaying is hardly trolling.

    I agree with the plan. Since no one has come forward and say they were blocked, odds are there is no consort. If town or Winnie had been blocked, they would reveal, and if the opposite mafia team was blocked, they'd reveal themselves to the other mafia by not claiming blocked.

    honeyDUDE out.

  22. ISO #122
    BROnana
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Quote Originally Posted by clementine View Post
    Q: Can an escort/consort/sheep role block stop a sheep who is not role blocking that night from visiting his target?
    A: Yes, an escort/consort/sheep role block can role block a sheep who is not performing a role block. This same idea applies to a consort being sent to perform a faction kill. The consort performing a kill is not immune to role block. Only role blockers performing role blocks are immune to role block. (What a mouthful!)
    The plan still works unless there is a consort. If Timon and Pumba meet each other tonight we'll know there isn't one.

    As for the rest of the sheep we want to make sure they won't block any of the 4 needed for the plan. They could all visit a volunteer, stay at home, or individually pick people they are sure won't be Timon or Pumba. The third option has the benefit of sheep being able to figure out where they are in the cycle but it has some risk.

    If two town die tomorrow we should aim to lynch someone even without PR information. A lurker will probably be lynched so if you're town make sure you're not in that position.

  23. ISO #123
    BROnana
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    I'm thinking of scrapping the plan. MANgerine or I could block each other which would also ruin it. Timon, Pumba and the sheep might be better off choosing their own night actions.

  24. ISO #124
    peabNUT
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    checking in to say nothing happened to me
    i agree with the plan, if no sheep target bronana then it should be fine.

  25. ISO #125

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Im checking in to contribute something, my day looks busy today, but I should be open tomorrow! =)

    The threat with the plan comes with the other sheep randomly RBing someone and accidentally RBs Timon and Pumba, then that sheep would know where it is in the RB cycle.
    The only way this plan falls is if a consort comes in and RBs. We may have a consort just to fuck with the Sheep.

    My thoughts on the conversation so far. The plan is the best we have so far, IMO.

    Thoughts?
    PAINapple is here to deliver some PAIN.

  26. ISO #126
    MANGERlNE
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Quote Originally Posted by peabNUT View Post
    checking in to say nothing happened to me
    i agree with the plan, if no sheep target bronana then it should be fine.
    If no sheep target Bronana, Pumba can't follow me to him. If no sheep target me, an interceptor might kill Pumba. There are some problems here.

    My guess is that Clementine never thought of sheep using our actions like this. The Order of Operations does not have a a non-roleblocking visitation of sheep listed because she thought it couldn't be used for anything

    If we could find out which person was roleblocked, the sheep who blocked that person could visit me without breaking the plan. We are already sure that they won't be the blocker again tonight.

  27. ISO #127
    MANGERlNE
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Q: Are role block immune roles notified that someone attempted to role block them?
    A: Yes, they will receive a normal role block feedback message.
    If a sheep was blocked we'd still find out. So if anyone got a blocked message, please let us all know.

    If the sheep who performed the real block knows who he is, that player can stay anonymous and visit me to protect Pumba from an interceptor. If a consort is the only role that can stop this plan I think it'd still be worth going along with it. The least we'd get out of it would be a confirmed consort in the setup.

    If we can't figure out who last night's roleblocking sheep was however, then we should probably terminate the plan because multiple random factors could work against us.

  28. ISO #128

  29. ISO #129
    MANGERlNE
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    PLAN B

    This isn't a fool-proof plan, but it has a high chance of success and gives good information regardless of its success. It does rely on a question I asked in the FAQ.

    All the sheep (except BROnana) and Timon visit BROnana. This way, Timon learns who all the sheep are unless BROnana is framed.

    All town PRs stay away from BROnana.

    Pumba picks a target of his own choosing. The chance that he visits a sheep are fairly high, but he can find other information. If he sees someone visiting anyone other than BROnana, he will know for certain that they are not sheep (unless they were framed).

    On following days, we will vote during the day who will be the target of Timon and all the sheep. This way we can direct the roleblock and it doesn't really matter whose turn it is. If Timon ever sees a town PR die that visited one of his assigned targets, he'll know that his information was framed. If he sees different names coming up on different nights, he will know that his information was framed. If the framer ever messes with Timon's results, he has to keep giving the same fake results over and over in order to stay hidden and he can't ever touch any of Pumba's targets because he will be tracking different targets. If Timon and Pumba get their night chat together, they can compare results and if they don't add up, they'll know that one of them (most likely Timon) got affected by framing.

    This plan makes Pumba's trackings much more informative at least, because right now anyone he targets could be sheep and he has no way of knowing if they are.

    What do you think of plan B?

  30. ISO #130
    MANGERlNE
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Question was answered already. I think we should go with Plan B then.

  31. ISO #131
    MANgo
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    The problem with a plan like that is that it gives mob a roadmap of what half the town is doing that night, almost exactly. Directing townies almost never works out. Someone else expressed a similar concern and I would like to reiterate it. There's a lot of talk about a potential framer but we don't have a clue as to the mob roles yet. There are a dozen ways they could muck this up, are there not?

    Also, nothing happened to me last night.

  32. ISO #132
    MANGERlNE
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Quote Originally Posted by MANgo View Post
    The problem with a plan like that is that it gives mob a roadmap of what half the town is doing that night, almost exactly. Directing townies almost never works out. Someone else expressed a similar concern and I would like to reiterate it. There's a lot of talk about a potential framer but we don't have a clue as to the mob roles yet. There are a dozen ways they could muck this up, are there not?
    No there aren't. I'm currently just trying to direct sheep and maybe Timon to increase the chance Timon and Pumba get a night chat, and at the same time trying to make sure the sheep's visits don't make our primary investigative roles unreliable. Because let's face it even if we do manage to block a scum player we probably won't even know that we did. So until we're down to like 2-3 sheep we're mainly just messing with our detective and lookout.

    The mob doesn't benefit at all from having a roadmap of what the sheep are going to do.

  33. ISO #133
    artiCHOKE
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Quote Originally Posted by KILLERpeach View Post
    I hate grapefruits! One of you should change his avatar. ALL HAIL KILLERpeach! (nothing happened to me last night)
    Grapefruit juice has the best bittersweet taste ever don't hate! Not to mention the active effects to many substances unique to the fruit. Nothing happened to me last night.

  34. ISO #134
    artiCHOKE
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Quote Originally Posted by BROnana View Post
    I'm thinking of scrapping the plan. MANgerine or I could block each other which would also ruin it. Timon, Pumba and the sheep might be better off choosing their own night actions.
    Is your avatar a picture of Jamie Oliver? Also exposing your plan in broad daylight, I don't see what the goal is unless you're really trying to prove you're a green banana.

  35. ISO #135
    BROconut
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    so whoever was roleblocked last night isnt outing. that means they probably arent a sheep.

  36. ISO #136
    KILLERpeach
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Quote Originally Posted by BROmato View Post
    yo BROnana! someone roleblocked me last night. can't tell if sheep or escort/consort though. if anyone else was roleblocked let us know
    There is your roleblock.

    1. The night chat for those 2 is highly overrated.

    2. The mafia team with a framer is for this plan. The mafia team who found one of those 2 via their consigliere as well.

    3. The one without, is against it.

  37. ISO #137
    MANGERlNE
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Quote Originally Posted by KILLERpeach View Post
    There is your roleblock.
    Thanks you juicy peach, I overlooked that!

    1. The night chat for those 2 is highly overrated.
    On the contrary.
    1) It allows Timon and Pumba to validate their info to an extent.
    2) They are more likely to collect data on the same players from multiple nights and discuss it in private to determine the relevance of the information before they decide to reveal.
    3) Only one of them needs to reveal to share the info of both (kind of like a student).
    4) They can confirm each other if needed, making false claims much more difficult

  38. ISO #138
    KILLERpeach
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Well, the plan is ok i guess. We still lose 2 possible scum revealing night actions with it. It is not a game winner, that's for sure. I think i can live with that. Also if you like you guys can visit me instead if you want another target.

  39. ISO #139
    artiCHOKE
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Has anyone even considered that such massive groupement on one target - including Timon and Pumbaa - could be dangerous?

    I get the point of having one third (all sheep + timon & pumbaa) cleared in one night but isn't this dangerous? Let's admit that sheepTP group is singled out, wouldn't that leave the remaining valuable hidden role townies exposed given that they will be mixed with red and orange maf?

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  42. ISO #142
    peabNUT
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    I'm scared!

    B. Ignore it

    It could be a dangerous pokemon!

  43. ISO #143
    leMAN
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Quote Originally Posted by Zane View Post
    A pokeball appears in front of you.

    Do you:

    A. Open it.

    B. Ignore it.
    C. I stomp it.

  44. ISO #144
    leMAN
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Quote Originally Posted by artiCHOKE View Post
    Has anyone even considered that such massive groupement on one target - including Timon and Pumbaa - could be dangerous?

    I get the point of having one third (all sheep + timon & pumbaa) cleared in one night but isn't this dangerous? Let's admit that sheepTP group is singled out, wouldn't that leave the remaining valuable hidden role townies exposed given that they will be mixed with red and orange maf?
    No, because the maf still wouldn't know who the sheep are. Unless the results are made public but that isn't necessary yet.

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  46. ISO #146
    BROnana
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    Plan B looks good.

    A. Open it.

  47. ISO #147
    BROconut
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    C. use it to catch eevee

  48. ISO #148

    Re: Animal M-FM

    BROnana opened the pokeball.
    There was nothing inside.
    The pokeball flashed a bright light and captured BROnana inside. BROnana is trapped inside a pokeball and cannot post for the rest of the day. BROnana will be locked out of any night chats but released in time to perform a night action.

  49. ISO #149
    leMAN
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    *Keeps stomping the pokéball that now has BROnana inside*

  50. ISO #150
    gRAPEfruit
    Guest

    Re: Animal M-FM

    OKAY I HAVE READ EVERYTHING.
    I THINK THE PLAN IS GOOD. GETTING THE NIGHT CHAT AND CLEARING ALL SHEEPS TO 2 KNOWN TOWNS ARE WORTH IT. ANY LEGITIMATE TOWN PRS CAN PROVE THEMSELVES THROUGH INFORMATION OR BY OTHER MEANS.
    I SAY PLAN B A GOGO
    @HONEYDUDE ITS A GRAPEFRUIT ON THE CATS HEAD. YOUMAD? TROLOLOL

 

 

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