ROLE REVEAL! : Mass Murderer

[Elixir]

Fresh from the vote in the Research and Development board, this is the first role we will be pushing out in 1.5! It shouldn't be too long, but our first priority when the patch launches is to ensure we fix a bunch of bugs and get the ban lists up to date. Some of the information here may change before we deploy the role.

Mass Murderer
(Evil / Killing)

Abilities: Each Night, You target someone and kill everyone at his house. Being at their house means targetting them with an action. If your target has targetted someone else, they are deemed "not at home" and will not be killed.

Killing No one, or a Single Target will not trigger a cooldown (Note: This Could Change)
Killing more than a Single Target will trigger a cooldown determined by the host.
If a Bodyguard visits your target, they will save all players there (aside from themself) and kill you instead.

Option 1: Immune at Night (Default Yes)
Option 2: Can Target Self (Default Yes)
Option 3: 1 Night After Spree Recovery (Default On)
Option 4: 2 Nights After Spree Recovery (Default Off)


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Questions answered!

Doctors interactions are like this:

Spree Killer - A
Doctor - B
Sheriff - C
Detective - D

A goes to C's House. B goes to C's House. C goes to D's House. B Dies.
A goes to C's House. D goes to C's House. B goes to D's House. B Heals D, D survives the spree kill, C dies as he didnt do anything

So the doctor has to heal the person going to the place the spree takes place. If the doctor himself is present at the spree he will die.

They will win with other MMs

[Fatalis]

FIRST TO SEE THE THE COOL ROLE

[Gingerape]

YESSS it got renamed from SK.

MM

[Elixir]

You got your way, Ging.

[Fatalis]

Is this the only role?
But I am 99% sure its not

[FrostByte]

FIRST TO SEE THE THE COOL ROLE

First outside of VIPs and Donors



And this is the only confirmed role as of now.

I'm assuming there will be 210387529 more to come now that the script limit has been raised ALMOST INFINITELY

[Elixir]

Is this the only role?
But I am 99% sure its not

We have many more in store for the coming weeks/months. This is just the first.

We'd rather push 1 role out at a time then make you wait a month for a few

[Ikuti]

Mass murderer win's with sk? Or with other Mass murderers? Or can only win alone? Also is it special role(1 per game only?)
Anyway, interesting role. Going to red house will be now more dangerous.

[creedkingsx]

I think like 50 people voted on the poll.
Just fun fact.

[Ouguiya]

Ok, hi there. Question: (Because this wasn't answered in your post)

What happens when a doctor is "at the house"? Does he die too (i.e. is powerless), does he save ONE person in the house at random (which, if only he visits, is kind of strange, because then either he dies or he heals himself and his target dies), or does he save everyone?

Cheers

[Elixir]

Doctors interactions are like this:

Spree Killer - A
Doctor - B
Sheriff - C
Detective - D

A goes to C's House. B goes to C's House. C goes to D's House. B Dies.
A goes to C's House. D goes to C's House. B goes to D's House. B Heals D, D survives the spree kill, C dies as he didnt do anything

So the doctor has to heal the person going to the house the spree takes place. If the doctor himself is present at the spree he will die.

[Elixir]

Mass murderer win's with sk? Or with other Mass murderers? Or can only win alone? Also is it special role(1 per game only?)
Anyway, interesting role. Going to red house will be now more dangerous.

They will win with other MMs

[Gingerape]

I have so much joy in my heart right now.

[Chane]

wow. I was about to suggest a role called granadier.

it involved throwing a granade at a house killing all who visited them!

the idea has been floating in my head since december.

I LOVE IT!

[Fatalis]

I just realized its mass murderer.. I taught it was mass marauder .. But if you are protoss you will know that those are basically the same

[Guardian]

The spree killer is visiting it's ancestral homes at last!
Under a different name, but whatever.

Also, que the spree killer visiting red alongside everybody else

[Glip]

The spree killer is visiting it's ancestral homes at last!
Under a different name, but whatever.

Also, que the spree killer visiting red alongside everybody else

More like visiting the guy with the colored name and then killing half the town.

Maybe this will finally provide some WIFOM protection for those with colored names XD

[Pokemon Trainer Red]

Sounds like a badass role.

[Damus_Graves]

Its a good role.
official GraveKeeper approval.

[Cryptonic]

Good call to change from Spree Killer.

[Blazer]

Very nice ^^

[ALL HAIL CTHULHU]

Next up: spree arson

[Escaho]

I'm actually not a huge fan of this role being in sc2mafia. I feel like it will cause unnecessary confusion for newer/younger players, especially for the Doctor, who now has to be try and determine when to heal PR roles (i.e. - Sheriff role claims and Mass Murderer is a confirmed killer. Does the Doctor heal the Sheriff and risk dying to the MM? But then he might get attacked by the mafia?).

I like how it can be easily worked out on the forums, but in a quick game of mafia where days last less than 90 seconds, I suspect this is just going to be a head scratcher for most players (it's great for in-house games, though).

[Cryptonic]

Yea, but the MM acts as a doctor, too, in a way that the mafia won't attack him in fears of MM.

[Escaho]

Yea, but the MM acts as a doctor, too, in a way that the mafia won't attack him in fears of MM.

Not if the GF attacks, since he's immune at night.

[Cryptonic]

Not if the GF attacks, since he's immune at night.

That's true. MM should have an option to ignore invul lol

[Dark.Revenant]

Ignoring invulnerability is definitely NOT going in as an option.

[Menautor]

it will be nice and will be useful for quick games. if I read this well, basically similar to the vet, but makes house calls

[J]

Changed from SK? Does that mean this is replacing serial killer?

[Blazer]

no. its mass murderer.

[Ash]

should be renamed to james holmes

[EliteMarine]

Good to see a new role finally being pushed out. Is there an ETA on when we can expect this role in game?

[Damus_Graves]

Good to see a new role finally being pushed out. Is there an ETA on when we can expect this role in game?

question has been seconded.

[MissingNo]

How about who wins at the end between neutral killers?
1 arson left 1 MM left = who wins?

1 sk left 1 MM left = who wins?

1 sk left 1 MM left 1 arson left = who wins?

[ALL HAIL CTHULHU]

Sounds to me like doctor heal going through should be an option at setup

Doc and MM visit Mayor:

-MM stops doc ON: Mayor and Doc die
-MM stops doc OFF: Doc dies, Mayor healed by doc and lives

More interesting risk analysis for doc and makes doc that much less shafted by MM

[EliteMarine]

How about who wins at the end between neutral killers?
1 arson left 1 MM left = who wins?

1 sk left 1 MM left = who wins?

1 sk left 1 MM left 1 arson left = who wins?

Better be arson. That role is hard as 3 day old poo to win with.

Seriously.

[Damus_Graves]

Better be arson. That role is hard to win with.
Seriously.

no joke, whenever you get found out its instalynch even if you were actually a bus driver.

[MissingNo]

IDK. MM could be hard too.

If it ends up Framer/GF/MM and it goes into night, the MM has to pick 1 of 3 options and the framer can be at 2 different ones.

If MM visits GF, MM loses.
If MM visits himself and framer does nothing, MM loses.
If MM visits framer and framer visits MM, MM loses.

If MM visits framer and framer does nothing, MM wins.
If MM visits himself and framer visits him, MM wins.

So basically it comes down to a 2/5 chance of winning.
If he knows who the framer is, then it is a 1/2 chance of winning.

Whereas with the SK there is a 1/2 chance of winning without knowing.
1/1 chance of winning with knowing.

[It is also easier for the SK to know since he could have seen the GF was immune earlier, whereas the MM would just see that the GF was not at home (unless on the off-chance the gf sat there).]

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There are a lot of situations like that. If there is a doc/sheriff left then the sheriff can visit the doc and the doc can either heal the sheriff or do nothing. (healing wins for town if mm visits doc and not healing wins for town if mm visits sheriff) OR they can even both visit the MM and the MM loses if he visits either of them.

Whereas the sk can visit the doc and auto win.



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Without putting even more thought into it, I would think it should be Arson>MM>SK.


Also, what invest message is the MM gonna get?

[EliteMarine]

Also, what invest message is the MM gonna get?

2 logical choices. Has knives or has weapons.

[Glip]

2 logical choices. Has knives or has weapons.

I would put my money on has weapons. Spree killers tend to shoot up the place, not stab up the place.

If a PR is roleblocked on the night the MM visits him, does that count as him being at home despite having targeted to visit someone, and thus he is killed?

[Ash]

I would put my money on has weapons. Spree killers tend to shoot up the place, not stab up the place.

Ye but I don't think DR bases it on what's logical, he bases it on what's balancing.

Dunno.

[Glip]

Ye but I don't think DR bases it on what's logical, he bases it on what's balancing.

Dunno.

We don't need the WIFOM of yet another neutral killer that is investigated as a doctor causing jailors to execute all our docs.

If I recall correctly, the current pairings for knives/weapons are

Knives:
Serial Killer/Doctor

Weapons:
Jailor/Vigilante/Mafioso

It would make sense to add MM to the list of those investigated with Weapons to balance out the investigation result with 2 town vs. 2 scum.

[Ash]

We don't need the WIFOM of yet another neutral killer that is investigated as a doctor causing jailors to execute all our docs.

yea exactly
good boy.

[Lazers]

What happens of a MM visits an alerted veteran, who has 2 other people visit him?

[Nick]

MM is a lookout camper?

[Blazer]

What happens of a MM visits an alerted veteran, who has 2 other people visit him?

vet steals the kills and then they attacked again? xD

[Damus_Graves]

i bet the the MM dies (if not night immune) and the two people visted die

[Voss]

What I'm curious is what the MM kill text will be like.

[Glip]

What I'm curious is what the MM kill text will be like.

Player X was found dead last night.

He was Swiss-cheesed with an automatic rifle.

[Lazers]

What I'm curious is what the MM kill text will be like.

X was found dead last night. He was carelessly murdered with a myriad of weapons.