You Can't

[FrostByte]

You can't reason someone out of a position they weren't reasoned in to.


Agree or disagree and why?

[AppleyNO]

Agree, with a few exceptions.

When someone grows up with a believe, it is ridiculously hard to convince them at all (Reason or not). People that hear, "Obama wants your guns!" for a few years don't listen when you tell them that Obama has not passed a single Anti-gun law.

The exceptions are when people change their position why looking at reason without outside help.

[SirBlayzalot]

Disagree... it is proven in everyone who thinks they know what they want to do for the rest of their life until someone shows them something different and they change their mind... I have done this many times...

even relationships are a testament to this... you don't get reasoned into being with someone, but another person can come along and reason you out of the situation...

I'm sure their are a lot more examples but those are prominent xD

[Blazer]

False. You only reason yourself into it. No one has control over what you believe. They can propose better thoughts, but you alone change your mind.

[Ash]

Disagree, mafia is all about reasoning.

[Dmpk]

Going to go with fact is fact. Opinion is opinion...

If you tell me something that can be researched and proven, I believe you.

If you start coming at me side ways because your opinion doesn't match mine... then I won't be allowing your words to matter.

If you come at me debate like, and tell me your opinion and why you have that specific opinion... I will consider. I will base it off what I know and what I can prove vs what you can prove, and come to the logical conclusion that respectfully declares my opinion after the fact. o_O.

[Raptorblaze]

Agree. Religion.

[Dust]

Agree. Religion.

Disagree. How else would religions grow? (Besides making babies and indoctrinating them, which isn't a viable way to start a religion in any case)

[Raptorblaze]

Disagree. How else would religions grow? (Besides making babies and indoctrinating them, which isn't a viable way to start a religion in any case)

Religions grow because parents raise their children as part of a religion. They are never reasoned into believing it, they are forcibly taught that religion as truth.

[Dust]

Religions grow because parents raise their children as part of a religion. They are never reasoned into believing it, they are forcibly taught that religion as truth.

AFAIK, LDS is the only religion that can pop out that many babies to have their religion grow that quickly. It's not a viable way to start a religion. No religion as far as I can tell has ever started like that.

[Admiral]

Religions grow because parents raise their children as part of a religion. They are never reasoned into believing it, they are forcibly taught that religion as truth.

You were encouraged, not forced. You cannot be forced to truly believe something. If you don't believe it, you don't believe it.

[Dmpk]

Religions grow because parents raise their children as part of a religion. They are never reasoned into believing it, they are forcibly taught that religion as truth.

Lol mis-construed. Parents can influence your choices young but the larger majority definitely make they're own, if not young then later on in life.

[tiloup1441]

You were encouraged, not forced. You cannot be forced to truly believe something. If you don't believe it, you don't believe it.

When you are brainwashed about religion because of your parents, generally you will believe in it for a while

[Raptorblaze]

You were encouraged, not forced. You cannot be forced to truly believe something. If you don't believe it, you don't believe it.

Lol mis-construed. Parents can influence your choices young but the larger majority definitely make they're own, if not young then later on in life.

When overzealous parents shield you from any outside views for the majority of your childhood, you have NO choice, and the lack of reasoning you're taught causes you to often be much more closed to new ideas.
I'm not talking about myself, I have friends who were kicked out of their houses at 12-13 for questioning their parents' religion and I know adults who desperately try to overcome the terrible ideals their parents forced on them.

[creedkingsx]

Disagree. The majority of people are extremely easily convinced of probably anything you set your mind to.

[Dmpk]

Disagree. The majority of people are extremely easily convinced of probably anything you set your mind to.

Yeah, listen to the "Black guy"...

When overzealous parents shield you from any outside views for the majority of your childhood, you have NO choice, and the lack of reasoning you're taught causes you to often be much more closed to new ideas.
I'm not talking about myself, I have friends who were kicked out of their houses at 12-13 for questioning their parents' religion and I know adults who desperately try to overcome the terrible ideals their parents forced on them.

I would of stabbed my parents if they'd bottled me up like a fucking lab experiment .

[Raptorblaze]

You were encouraged, not forced. You cannot be forced to truly believe something. If you don't believe it, you don't believe it.

Disagree. The majority of people are extremely easily convinced of probably anything you set your mind to.

Only if they didn't have a decided opinion to begin with. If a person doesn't have reasoning to support their position they essentially become emotionally attached to it and take differing opinions as an attack against them.

[Mugy]

Only if they didn't have a decided opinion to begin with. If a person doesn't have reasoning to support their position they essentially become emotionally attached to it and take differing opinions as an attack against them.

Especially evident in those Christian biggots who oppose nearly everything.

[creedkingsx]

Over an extended period of time, I think I could turn a christian into an atheist.
Would require a long drawn out relationship. But eventually feasible.

[Ash]

When you are brainwashed about religion because of your parents, generally you will believe in it for a while

Believing =/= Brainwashed
If believing = brainwashed then that would mean that we're all brainwashed, whether you are atheist or not. Use the term right.

I believe it's possible to change someone's opinion, it may be difficult though. Especially in religion, it's really difficult to convince someone otherwise because there is no proof that approves or disapproves of religion. (Which is why it's pointless)

[krixi]

You eventually can.

Why not? Belief is valid reasoned or not. If they were reasoned in then there are already accepted arguments and conclusion. People are usually more open to deeply analyze something for the first time. Changing position means confirming so they were wrong and it requires returning to case already "closed" (that may be foundation of other beliefs). Many times I noticed so someone knows he's wrong, but claiming something is part of their social presence.

[Damus_Graves]

Beliefs are not based on reason, when talking about religion. It takes an intimate relationship with someone, intimate not being sexual (Intimate being a close friend/confident), to even begin allowing them to convince you that your belief might be misguided.

[Ash]

You eventually can.

Why not? Belief is valid reasoned or not. If they were reasoned in then there are already accepted arguments and conclusion. People are usually more open to deeply analyze something for the first time. Changing position means confirming so they were wrong and it requires returning to case already "closed" (that may be foundation of other beliefs). Many times I noticed so someone knows he's wrong, but claiming something is part of their social presence.

Well it all depends if they are willing to hear you out. Many are too arrogant or something, I don't know. But not always will one be successful

[Jim]

Everyone is reasoned into every belief they make, fin.

[krixi]

Well it all depends if they are willing to hear you out. Many are too arrogant or something, I don't know. But not always will one be successful

I believe it depends on how much they respect and trust you, as well as how heavy would be eventual change for them. Sometimes people are just unwilling to resign on selected position. Really good diplomat still could reason them out. Unless it actually doesn't make sense.

It's probably hardest to convince someone who hides his reasons.

[Apocist]

It depends heavily on the individual, some are more easily influenced than others.

[louiswill]

Disagree,

All people are capable of reasoning.

Suppose a person is already in a position by belief.

Then you can reason him/her out of such position

by copy metaphor and simile reasons which such person already has.

The technique barrier is that how much you know about this person.