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[QUOTE=Stellaria;1021750]to be fair, I did absolutely push on Horkos jailing Auwt[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I should have picked up on that given you had a 'red check.' Very well played though. That paid off nicely.

Originally Posted by Stellaria

to be fair, I did absolutely push on Horkos jailing Auwt

Yeah, I should have picked up on that given you had a 'red check.' Very well played though. That paid off nicely.

[QUOTE=Stellaria;1021748]To be fair, I couldnt get any more direct than "SuperJack is redchecked"[/QUOTE]

Well sure. But with what I expect from your range as a player I feel like you would have pushed against Horkos talking about jailing Auwt if you were town or also pushed reasoning why outside of your check Superjack is scum. You seemed totally ok with either and survival focused but I did not take note. Was too caught up on 'is it a slip or not' and then just shifting off it as it resolved without refocusing.

All things considered town had some really rough luck with the night actions given the situations they were used in. But people really did have next to nothing to work with for how late in the game it was.

Originally Posted by Stellaria

To be fair, I couldnt get any more direct than "SuperJack is redchecked"

Well sure. But with what I expect from your range as a player I feel like you would have pushed against Horkos talking about jailing Auwt if you were town or also pushed reasoning why outside of your check Superjack is scum. You seemed totally ok with either and survival focused but I did not take note. Was too caught up on 'is it a slip or not' and then just shifting off it as it resolved without refocusing.

All things considered town had some really rough luck with the night actions given the situations they were used in. But people really did have next to nothing to work with for how late in the game it was.

[QUOTE=jmw;1021746]I was 100% truthful about the contents of the chat[/QUOTE]

Yeah, Maybe no difference existed but to be fair I did not even push to find out. That was just lazy of me.

Apparently I was just totally wrong but I really thought that was a slip and I should not have just let it go so quickly and easily. The fact Stellaria was pushing to open up the PoE instead of hard hunting inside it was really on my mind but I have had bad results making reads on what players are not doing.

Originally Posted by jmw

I was 100% truthful about the contents of the chat

Yeah, Maybe no difference existed but to be fair I did not even push to find out. That was just lazy of me.

Apparently I was just totally wrong but I really thought that was a slip and I should not have just let it go so quickly and easily. The fact Stellaria was pushing to open up the PoE instead of hard hunting inside it was really on my mind but I have had bad results making reads on what players are not doing.

Maybe I shoulda picked up more on Gikkle being opportunistic with their chat picks. It was very smart to just cleanly own up to them wanting people to coordinate. I probably would have jumped on a lie there. And them not adding themselves was also a solid play.

Maybe I shoulda picked up more on Gikkle being opportunistic with their chat picks. It was very smart to just cleanly own up to them wanting people to coordinate. I probably would have jumped on a lie there. And them not adding themselves was also a solid play.

[QUOTE=Stellaria;1021742]If your faction were more active and you led them to victory, it'd have been deserved. Even so, playing against you was seriously really scary. I overthought the hell out of my night action wondering if you were gonna busdrive me into Auwt and wondering if Horkos was going to choose not to execute. In my chat that I have solely between me and the host and not with anybody else, I had a list of every possible night action that could've been taken broken down so that I singular could decide the most effective action singular. ;)[/QUOTE]

Lol. Yeah. I tried to think hard on things I had hoped you guys would not consider. Like a self targeting BG action. Also tried to just go super vanilla almost flatly saying the action I would take. Although I did not expect JMW to be Mafia I did expect someone to peep in on the chat and was planning on pushing hard on that slot today as well as Gikkle. Figured there was no world where Scum Gikkle would put me with a Town doc and not have someone peep in (which I was right on but with the absolute wrong end assumption)

[QUOTE=Stellaria;1021743]I will say, if I was teamed up with mafia partners, I would say they played well[/QUOTE]

Lol. Game really is over. I know I am cheeky and play all sorts of stuff but I did literally message the host about it. Town has zero outs here. Woulda 'if' I could take the Mayor but that would just drag the game out for a day.

Your team played well. I tried quite a few little things through the game that did not pay off like convincing the town they were fucked to see if the wolves would get complacent or baiting the wolves by disrespecting their lack of using vote power as an ego poke. I think I said something along the lines of 'they are playing really poorly' hoping to see some reaction or push to get coordinated day movement from the wolf team but it never went anywhere.

Really was fun playing. This setup is much more complicated than I initially thought and although I would tweak a hand full of things its absolutely a unique game I have not encountered before. Really did enjoy playing with you guys and every wolf played very well.

I think only thing I would have really changed about my play would be not advocating harder for the BG and the case that The Lawyer was not bussing in their D2 push. BG was super self resolving slot and although their "im clear" argument was just bad it was also genuine. The Lawyers D2 screamed town. Players just did not really look at it imo.

Originally Posted by Stellaria

If your faction were more active and you led them to victory, it'd have been deserved. Even so, playing against you was seriously really scary. I overthought the hell out of my night action wondering if you were gonna busdrive me into Auwt and wondering if Horkos was going to choose not to execute. In my chat that I have solely between me and the host and not with anybody else, I had a list of every possible night action that could've been taken broken down so that I singular could decide the most effective action singular. ;)

Lol. Yeah. I tried to think hard on things I had hoped you guys would not consider. Like a self targeting BG action. Also tried to just go super vanilla almost flatly saying the action I would take. Although I did not expect JMW to be Mafia I did expect someone to peep in on the chat and was planning on pushing hard on that slot today as well as Gikkle. Figured there was no world where Scum Gikkle would put me with a Town doc and not have someone peep in (which I was right on but with the absolute wrong end assumption)

Originally Posted by Stellaria

I will say, if I was teamed up with mafia partners, I would say they played well

Lol. Game really is over. I know I am cheeky and play all sorts of stuff but I did literally message the host about it. Town has zero outs here. Woulda 'if' I could take the Mayor but that would just drag the game out for a day.

Your team played well. I tried quite a few little things through the game that did not pay off like convincing the town they were fucked to see if the wolves would get complacent or baiting the wolves by disrespecting their lack of using vote power as an ego poke. I think I said something along the lines of 'they are playing really poorly' hoping to see some reaction or push to get coordinated day movement from the wolf team but it never went anywhere.

Really was fun playing. This setup is much more complicated than I initially thought and although I would tweak a hand full of things its absolutely a unique game I have not encountered before. Really did enjoy playing with you guys and every wolf played very well.

I think only thing I would have really changed about my play would be not advocating harder for the BG and the case that The Lawyer was not bussing in their D2 push. BG was super self resolving slot and although their "im clear" argument was just bad it was also genuine. The Lawyers D2 screamed town. Players just did not really look at it imo.

Yeah, You guys used the networker chat very well. I figure 3 things really decided the game

1- Town never really built a train or used day chat effectivly
2- Town had minimal (literally 1 done by 2 people) night action that was positive and every other action was either a determent to town or null.
3- Networker chat did give information. Thinking about it that explains the JMW heal off wolf that killed my read on them. Even in hind sight I never would have seen past that as a calculated play

Game really is over though. I have no more tricks. 3 wolf 2 town with majority lynch. I die there is a town survivor, nothing can happen in any way to shift the game without a wolf deciding to let it happen, and even then the odds are pretty much nothing to run actions multiple nights in a row that go perfectly. Will be interesting to read your wolf chat.

Yeah, You guys used the networker chat very well. I figure 3 things really decided the game

1- Town never really built a train or used day chat effectivly
2- Town had minimal (literally 1 done by 2 people) night action that was positive and every other action was either a determent to town or null.
3- Networker chat did give information. Thinking about it that explains the JMW heal off wolf that killed my read on them. Even in hind sight I never would have seen past that as a calculated play

Game really is over though. I have no more tricks. 3 wolf 2 town with majority lynch. I die there is a town survivor, nothing can happen in any way to shift the game without a wolf deciding to let it happen, and even then the odds are pretty much nothing to run actions multiple nights in a row that go perfectly. Will be interesting to read your wolf chat.

A bit sad I died from a lynch.

Not for the night actions but then I could actually say I have played a game where no lynch happened the entire game. I have legit never seen a game with so little day participation. Made for a very interesting dynamic yesterday. But it was fun. Really did not expect Superjack to be the last town at all or expect JMW to be scum after that Horkos heal.

A bit sad I died from a lynch.

Not for the night actions but then I could actually say I have played a game where no lynch happened the entire game. I have legit never seen a game with so little day participation. Made for a very interesting dynamic yesterday. But it was fun. Really did not expect Superjack to be the last town at all or expect JMW to be scum after that Horkos heal.

I mean, unless the host wants to run out a night cycle of BP vs a factional followed by a day cycle of 3 wolves 1 town that is. Its impossible for town to win at this point.

I mean, unless the host wants to run out a night cycle of BP vs a factional followed by a day cycle of 3 wolves 1 town that is. Its impossible for town to win at this point.

Btw, That was a hammer. Game is actually over.

The last lie I told and was hoping to get people to open wolf with was that game does not end from majority. In any situation other than Horkos' kill hitting directly on a town and another town dying I was plotting on getting wolves to open wolf then pointing out the game goes on even if town does not have a majority. Woulda been a cool situation to try to wifom around.

Btw, That was a hammer. Game is actually over.

The last lie I told and was hoping to get people to open wolf with was that game does not end from majority. In any situation other than Horkos' kill hitting directly on a town and another town dying I was plotting on getting wolves to open wolf then pointing out the game goes on even if town does not have a majority. Woulda been a cool situation to try to wifom around.

Interesting twist. I did consider a JMW scum world but just could not see a reason to heal on a town Horkos with a town Vig running around. Maybe shoulda pushed harder on the difference between how one side and the other described the chat.

Was I right about the scum slip on you Stellaria?

Interesting twist. I did consider a JMW scum world but just could not see a reason to heal on a town Horkos with a town Vig running around. Maybe shoulda pushed harder on the difference between how one side and the other described the chat.

Was I right about the scum slip on you Stellaria?

[MENTION=45983]jmw[/MENTION]- You did not claim your heal target but honestly from this point forward unless there is a reason to I would say you should just hide who you target. Zero reason giving the Mafia more information on what to expect from you.

For tonight I do not think we should try to coordinate night actions. My range is too high in terms of what I can do and if you locked in your action it would cut down on the WIFOM Mafia would have to deal with.

This is an updated action list and consolidating some bits:
[url]https://ibb.co/rRqsyN5F[/url] [ATTACH=CONFIG]29687[/ATTACH]

For the weird world I do not see any place where JMW could possibly be mafia unless Horkos is mafia
If Horkos is mafia it in no way means JMW is mafia

If Stellaria is town Superjack is 100% confirmed Mafia
If Superjack is Mafia it does not mean Stellaria is certainly town.

My read list:

[COLOR="#00FF00"]Helz
JMW
Horkos[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#40E0D0"]Stellaria [/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FFFF00"]Auwt
Gikkle[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FF0000"]Superjack[/COLOR]

More trust for Stellaria if their peek is correct (and it almost certainly is) but I know Superjack very well. He would absolutely sacrifice to try to confirm a fellow wolf so stay paranoid there. Borderline looks like they walked into the day with the intention of getting themselves lynched. I would not give Stellaria a town pass if their peek is correct for that specific reason. They are a good player and this is a game of deception.

@jmw - You did not claim your heal target but honestly from this point forward unless there is a reason to I would say you should just hide who you target. Zero reason giving the Mafia more information on what to expect from you.

For tonight I do not think we should try to coordinate night actions. My range is too high in terms of what I can do and if you locked in your action it would cut down on the WIFOM Mafia would have to deal with.

This is an updated action list and consolidating some bits:
https://ibb.co/rRqsyN5F

For the weird world I do not see any place where JMW could possibly be mafia unless Horkos is mafia
If Horkos is mafia it in no way means JMW is mafia

If Stellaria is town Superjack is 100% confirmed Mafia
If Superjack is Mafia it does not mean Stellaria is certainly town.

My read list:

Helz
JMW
Horkos
Stellaria
Auwt
Gikkle
Superjack

More trust for Stellaria if their peek is correct (and it almost certainly is) but I know Superjack very well. He would absolutely sacrifice to try to confirm a fellow wolf so stay paranoid there. Borderline looks like they walked into the day with the intention of getting themselves lynched. I would not give Stellaria a town pass if their peek is correct for that specific reason. They are a good player and this is a game of deception.

To be clear- as pointed out if Jailor could still jail and RB if there was a lynch I would argue we should just lynch Superjack right now. Without that benefit I just don't see the point in the risk. I will mention I am holding something back related to a lie I have told this game though.

To be clear- as pointed out if Jailor could still jail and RB if there was a lynch I would argue we should just lynch Superjack right now. Without that benefit I just don't see the point in the risk. I will mention I am holding something back related to a lie I have told this game though.

Like- Crazy worlds exist where Horkos could be scum or Superjack could be town. I think there is a very low chance of either, but if we go down those roads with a lynch and are wrong we loose. If 1 town votes wrong we loose.

If we give the Jailor the kill they are either right or we still have a shot in night actions.
[QUOTE=Gikkle;1021720]Why do you think they are likely town though? Did you read my post?

If we decided on a target together I don't see how it'd be so difficult to get town to vote the same target unless SJ is town (as he is the only afk at this point)

Also voting (assuming we choose correctly which if we don't we would lose anyways since Horkos would be mafia or would be choosing that target anyways) would generally force mafia to vote alongside town unless they want to be outed. Like if we manage to vote out mafia today we could look at anyone that refused to vote and we'd have information from that.[/QUOTE]

They did not execute town Mayor N1 and took a night action thats just not great for the Mafia team in terms of the RB function even though they could have executed
They claimed to have jailed and executed a Mafia N2, We have zero evidence there was a BD move that took place
And they have generally been towny in chat.

Like, I am never gona say 100% confirmed town on them. I do think JMW is borderline there even though you disagreed yesterday.

I do totally see the argument your making. I just do not see a functional world where we vote and scum do not have control over it with how little day information we have to go off of.

Basically zero trains and not even a real train on a single player this game. We got The Lawyer getting pushed for inconsistent thought process that was wrong and Phrase pushed for being inactive with some awkward posts. D4 here feels like D2 in most games and we are in Lylo to me.

Like- Crazy worlds exist where Horkos could be scum or Superjack could be town. I think there is a very low chance of either, but if we go down those roads with a lynch and are wrong we loose. If 1 town votes wrong we loose.

If we give the Jailor the kill they are either right or we still have a shot in night actions.

Originally Posted by Gikkle

Why do you think they are likely town though? Did you read my post?

If we decided on a target together I don't see how it'd be so difficult to get town to vote the same target unless SJ is town (as he is the only afk at this point)

Also voting (assuming we choose correctly which if we don't we would lose anyways since Horkos would be mafia or would be choosing that target anyways) would generally force mafia to vote alongside town unless they want to be outed. Like if we manage to vote out mafia today we could look at anyone that refused to vote and we'd have information from that.

They did not execute town Mayor N1 and took a night action thats just not great for the Mafia team in terms of the RB function even though they could have executed
They claimed to have jailed and executed a Mafia N2, We have zero evidence there was a BD move that took place
And they have generally been towny in chat.

Like, I am never gona say 100% confirmed town on them. I do think JMW is borderline there even though you disagreed yesterday.

I do totally see the argument your making. I just do not see a functional world where we vote and scum do not have control over it with how little day information we have to go off of.

Basically zero trains and not even a real train on a single player this game. We got The Lawyer getting pushed for inconsistent thought process that was wrong and Phrase pushed for being inactive with some awkward posts. D4 here feels like D2 in most games and we are in Lylo to me.

[QUOTE=Gikkle;1021718]I think we should be voting someone out here rather than putting all our faith in horkos

unless someone can explain to me why Horkos is 100% town?[/QUOTE]

I am looking at it in that its much more likely Horkos is town than every single town player votes perfectly. If just 1 town player votes wrong the scum control the lynch and we loose. That said I am much more of the mind to have Horkos do the kill unless someone can make an argument they are likely scum as opposed to them being 100% town, although I do think they are very likely town.

Originally Posted by Gikkle

I think we should be voting someone out here rather than putting all our faith in horkos

unless someone can explain to me why Horkos is 100% town?

I am looking at it in that its much more likely Horkos is town than every single town player votes perfectly. If just 1 town player votes wrong the scum control the lynch and we loose. That said I am much more of the mind to have Horkos do the kill unless someone can make an argument they are likely scum as opposed to them being 100% town, although I do think they are very likely town.

I do not think there is any world where Superjack could be town even if Stellaria is scum. They should die.

I do not think there is any world where Superjack could be town even if Stellaria is scum. They should die.

Auwt's line of thought felt towny there though.

I do have the problem that the PoE is just so small.

Superjack, Gikkle, Stellaria with Stellaria hard bussing or was Auwt's thinking fake? Hmmm

Auwt's line of thought felt towny there though.

I do have the problem that the PoE is just so small.

Superjack, Gikkle, Stellaria with Stellaria hard bussing or was Auwt's thinking fake? Hmmm

[QUOTE=Horkos;1021708]Idk i am not so sure about stellaria, i would rather execute gikkle as a safe kill, he seems the most scummy to me (the last time i was so sure i killed aeoryi tho )

Maybe i shoukd just gamble on auwt being mafia[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I was really thinking they scum slipped. From what JMW said they did not. Makes Superjack a sure deal. Is there something that makes you feel Auwt over Superjack? Kinda feels like Superjack is belly up scum which is super weird given they started behaving in such a way 'before' the peek was revealed and makes me wonder if its some kinda planned wolf sacrifice.[QUOTE=Auwt;1021710][COLOR="#FF0000"][SIZE=5]There is a huge breach within this post.
Here's why:[/SIZE][/COLOR]

[B]OoO :[/B]

Jailor executes
Veteran goes on alert, Survivalist protects himself
[COLOR="#FFFFFF"]Lookout goes into position[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FFFFFF"]Escort roleblocks[/COLOR]
Coach driver switches targets
Bodyguard protects
Doctor protects
Kills/Investigation Feedback


[COLOR=#ffd700]Escort[/COLOR]
Each night, you may target 1 person to be role-blocked, preventing any night actions.
Can not prevent jailor executions, which are performed earlier in the OoO.
[COLOR="#FFFFFF"]No feedback is given to the target from this ability.[/COLOR]


1 - No feedback is given to the target, you wouldn't know if YOU WERE ROLEBLOCKED OR NOT, and even if you had been roleblocked, it would have had no effect on your Lookout action (see OoO above).

2 - Lawyer, Aero, Ewianking died.
How is this possible ?
Horkos claims having killed Aero. Ok.
We only have two other KP in the game, Vigilante and Mafia KP (no one would be dumb enough to visit me).
Vigilante cannot self kill, so :
Ewianking died from Mafia KP.
That leaves :
Lawyer died from Ewianking's Vigilante shot.


So even if you were roleblocked, you would have AT LEAST seen Ewianking visiting Lawyer.

You are definitely lying here.[/QUOTE]

Good thoughts and all. I default back to "Helz click button, should see thing, didn't"
Slightly ironic I was prevented from watching for someone's killer by that person but ehh.

Originally Posted by Horkos

Idk i am not so sure about stellaria, i would rather execute gikkle as a safe kill, he seems the most scummy to me (the last time i was so sure i killed aeoryi tho )

Maybe i shoukd just gamble on auwt being mafia

Yeah, I was really thinking they scum slipped. From what JMW said they did not. Makes Superjack a sure deal. Is there something that makes you feel Auwt over Superjack? Kinda feels like Superjack is belly up scum which is super weird given they started behaving in such a way 'before' the peek was revealed and makes me wonder if its some kinda planned wolf sacrifice.

Originally Posted by Auwt

There is a huge breach within this post.
Here's why:

OoO :

Jailor executes
Veteran goes on alert, Survivalist protects himself
Lookout goes into position
Escort roleblocks
Coach driver switches targets
Bodyguard protects
Doctor protects
Kills/Investigation Feedback


Escort
Each night, you may target 1 person to be role-blocked, preventing any night actions.
Can not prevent jailor executions, which are performed earlier in the OoO.
No feedback is given to the target from this ability.


1 - No feedback is given to the target, you wouldn't know if YOU WERE ROLEBLOCKED OR NOT, and even if you had been roleblocked, it would have had no effect on your Lookout action (see OoO above).

2 - Lawyer, Aero, Ewianking died.
How is this possible ?
Horkos claims having killed Aero. Ok.
We only have two other KP in the game, Vigilante and Mafia KP (no one would be dumb enough to visit me).
Vigilante cannot self kill, so :
Ewianking died from Mafia KP.
That leaves :
Lawyer died from Ewianking's Vigilante shot.


So even if you were roleblocked, you would have AT LEAST seen Ewianking visiting Lawyer.

You are definitely lying here.

Good thoughts and all. I default back to "Helz click button, should see thing, didn't"
Slightly ironic I was prevented from watching for someone's killer by that person but ehh.

We should probably both Iso at some point. We do have a small pool of people that have to be mainly scum.

I wonder if SJ would crack a Jesus dick joke and set up for a deep wolf play with Stellaria.

We should probably both Iso at some point. We do have a small pool of people that have to be mainly scum.

I wonder if SJ would crack a Jesus dick joke and set up for a deep wolf play with Stellaria.

[QUOTE=jmw;1021700]do you want a second opinion on the ISO? I can do that, give me a bit I’m hanging out with family.
I can only recall the Auwt post about how roleblocking you would mean you can only use LO but I can dive into this whole thing about the RB later tonight[/QUOTE]
They did say something along those lines. I think it was after me hard shoving to trust me or kill me.

I kinda expected this game I have to just get ride or die trust or be killed given the amount of power this role has.

Originally Posted by jmw

do you want a second opinion on the ISO? I can do that, give me a bit I’m hanging out with family.
I can only recall the Auwt post about how roleblocking you would mean you can only use LO but I can dive into this whole thing about the RB later tonight

They did say something along those lines. I think it was after me hard shoving to trust me or kill me.

I kinda expected this game I have to just get ride or die trust or be killed given the amount of power this role has.

[QUOTE=jmw;1021698]Based purely on that chat and Lawyer’s 4 messages, no

no one in the chat told or suggested to them who to RB, if it happened from the chat then it would be Gikkle seeing Lawyer’s doubt and thinking they would RB you since Auwt suggested it, and telling Stell and whoever else to do night actions based on that.[/QUOTE]

If your confident in that what do you feel about the situation? Stell red check on SJ. My entire issue with them was a TMI slip you are saying is unlikely.

I forget if Lynch blocks both Jail and execution or just execution. If the first I still see zero reason to vote on SJ.

Originally Posted by jmw

Based purely on that chat and Lawyer’s 4 messages, no

no one in the chat told or suggested to them who to RB, if it happened from the chat then it would be Gikkle seeing Lawyer’s doubt and thinking they would RB you since Auwt suggested it, and telling Stell and whoever else to do night actions based on that.

If your confident in that what do you feel about the situation? Stell red check on SJ. My entire issue with them was a TMI slip you are saying is unlikely.

I forget if Lynch blocks both Jail and execution or just execution. If the first I still see zero reason to vote on SJ.

[QUOTE=Stellaria;1021697]Why would lawyer block Helz if they townread them?[/QUOTE]

To be fair their analysis in day chat was great but their choice of night actions has been not so great. They may just be inexperienced with PR's and mechanical functions like, maybe a mountainous style background?

Functionally it did not matter, I would just have seen the Vig killing them but yeah, That action made little sense to me even with their suspicions given the game state.

Originally Posted by Stellaria

Why would lawyer block Helz if they townread them?

To be fair their analysis in day chat was great but their choice of night actions has been not so great. They may just be inexperienced with PR's and mechanical functions like, maybe a mountainous style background?

Functionally it did not matter, I would just have seen the Vig killing them but yeah, That action made little sense to me even with their suspicions given the game state.

I mean from that chat.

I mean from that chat.

[QUOTE=jmw;1021692]Lawyer actually barely posted in the chat, only said they townread you unless you were playing 64D chess and that they had no idea who to RB.

Looking at the chat again, just before it closed Ewian aired the idea of outing who he was shooting but never actually said who.[/QUOTE]

So like, by your judgment do you see a world where mafia knew The Lawyer would RB me and that got conveyed to Stellaria?

Originally Posted by jmw

Lawyer actually barely posted in the chat, only said they townread you unless you were playing 64D chess and that they had no idea who to RB.

Looking at the chat again, just before it closed Ewian aired the idea of outing who he was shooting but never actually said who.

So like, by your judgment do you see a world where mafia knew The Lawyer would RB me and that got conveyed to Stellaria?

[QUOTE=Stellaria;1021683]I would never distrust JMW, I greenchecked them. My distrust of Horkos comes from me feeling that scum must have a powerful enough role to combat yours.

Sorry, Im gonna need a minute to answer your questions. Its Valentines Day and Im gonna try to spend as much time with my wife as possible. I don't think we are voting today so Im fine with this[/QUOTE]

100% real life should come before a game

Originally Posted by Stellaria

I would never distrust JMW, I greenchecked them. My distrust of Horkos comes from me feeling that scum must have a powerful enough role to combat yours.

Sorry, Im gonna need a minute to answer your questions. Its Valentines Day and Im gonna try to spend as much time with my wife as possible. I don't think we are voting today so Im fine with this

100% real life should come before a game

[QUOTE=Gikkle;1021659]i also wanted to say before anything else, with regards to several comments I saw about my n2 chat, that i legit don't know what i'm supposed to be doing with this networker chat if not creating spaces to coordinate actions/forcing scum to slip up with their actions revealing TMI from the chat/forcing scum to reveal any potential agenda lol. To go more into that I thought putting Aeo/Helz/Jmw together would achieve the purpose of, if everyone in the chat was town, potentially allowing for the most optimal use of actions. If one was scum, they might suggest a suboptimal course of action (I was particularly interested to see if helz would try to do this which is another reason I added him specifically), or we'd be able to see if mafia knew about what happened in the chat by if they purposefully needled their way through the plan. [/QUOTE]
I did ask, I can paraphrase the D2 chat if you are interested. I flatly did not try to coordinate any action of any sort and the chat was not high activity.

I think you are doing great with your actions, especially if Stellaria did actually slip as a result. Its also just impossible to really fall on one side or the other as to 'coordinating helps town but can also help scum' kinda stuff

Originally Posted by Gikkle

i also wanted to say before anything else, with regards to several comments I saw about my n2 chat, that i legit don't know what i'm supposed to be doing with this networker chat if not creating spaces to coordinate actions/forcing scum to slip up with their actions revealing TMI from the chat/forcing scum to reveal any potential agenda lol. To go more into that I thought putting Aeo/Helz/Jmw together would achieve the purpose of, if everyone in the chat was town, potentially allowing for the most optimal use of actions. If one was scum, they might suggest a suboptimal course of action (I was particularly interested to see if helz would try to do this which is another reason I added him specifically), or we'd be able to see if mafia knew about what happened in the chat by if they purposefully needled their way through the plan.

I did ask, I can paraphrase the D2 chat if you are interested. I flatly did not try to coordinate any action of any sort and the chat was not high activity.

I think you are doing great with your actions, especially if Stellaria did actually slip as a result. Its also just impossible to really fall on one side or the other as to 'coordinating helps town but can also help scum' kinda stuff

[QUOTE=Stellaria;1021679]I had seen that you didn't provide any results. And I was gone yesterday so it had been a day at least. Given all of the other reasons you were the likely block, I had taken the likelihood of you not being blocked as being so small such as to assume that you 100% were.[/QUOTE]
I totally get the possibility. Its the level of certainty that strikes me. While you would see it as 'likely' flatly saying that the block paid off sounds awfully certain. Its also in context to you being focused on the Networker chat then talking about information that could have come from the networker chat. Im sure you can appreciate how this looks like a slip. Im very interested to see how JMW talks about what was said and what their thoughts are.
[QUOTE=Stellaria;1021680]Do you have any questions for me?[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. Way I figure it worst case I am wrong and you are town with a red peek. If you are killed this would make you verified town. That said- any of your views would be of great value.

Do you have a distrust of JMW or Horker that you could explain? From where I am sitting I really see the game as simple as 3 scum in a 4 player POE and if your town its exactly Gikkle, Superjack and Auwt.

Really whatever reads you have would be of interest. I will probably have some more pointed questions on what you think about Auwt before days end if I can make the time.

Originally Posted by Stellaria

I had seen that you didn't provide any results. And I was gone yesterday so it had been a day at least. Given all of the other reasons you were the likely block, I had taken the likelihood of you not being blocked as being so small such as to assume that you 100% were.

I totally get the possibility. Its the level of certainty that strikes me. While you would see it as 'likely' flatly saying that the block paid off sounds awfully certain. Its also in context to you being focused on the Networker chat then talking about information that could have come from the networker chat. Im sure you can appreciate how this looks like a slip. Im very interested to see how JMW talks about what was said and what their thoughts are.

Originally Posted by Stellaria

Do you have any questions for me?

Absolutely. Way I figure it worst case I am wrong and you are town with a red peek. If you are killed this would make you verified town. That said- any of your views would be of great value.

Do you have a distrust of JMW or Horker that you could explain? From where I am sitting I really see the game as simple as 3 scum in a 4 player POE and if your town its exactly Gikkle, Superjack and Auwt.

Really whatever reads you have would be of interest. I will probably have some more pointed questions on what you think about Auwt before days end if I can make the time.

[QUOTE=Stellaria;1021675]So could you not just preflip me and give what Im saying at least a little consideration?[/QUOTE]
Certainly. I have been in this situation more than enough times to see absolute value in digging and chatting regardless of resolution
[QUOTE=Stellaria;1021674]And OBVIOUSLY you [B]must have[/B] gotten blocked considering you woke up and told us no new information AND three people died so that paid off for the scum team[/QUOTE]
Well sure, I did not claim an action but I also did not claim a no action. I kinda hold your ability in high regard and see value in withholding a result which you did today. I was doing the same incase I wanted to claim a false red check for an RT. I find it odd you would assume I would not hold a lookout peek especially given it can nail a scum even outside of potential RT play.

I do see a lot of reason to expect The Lawyer may role block me. They were coming around but due to server perma loading issues I was unable to ever respond. (Herd that shits solved now btw, Thank fucking god that shit was cancer to deal with)
But really, You jump to a hard conclusion even though as the end of day approached they backtracked. The "It paid off" bit bothers me.

I did ask the host if logs could be posted and they asked to paraphrase only. I personally want to hear directly from [MENTION=45983]jmw[/MENTION] about how strongly The Lawyer voiced they would RB me to gauge the certainty drawn.

The other very large issue is I see a 4 player pool with 3 scum in it. Very very small PoE. While its possible for me to be wrong about JMW or Horkos I see it as highly unlikely. We do if nothing else have an absolute W/W or W/T between you and Superjack even considering weird worlds.
I do also see Networker chat as having a wolf in it as very highly likely.

Originally Posted by Stellaria

So could you not just preflip me and give what Im saying at least a little consideration?

Certainly. I have been in this situation more than enough times to see absolute value in digging and chatting regardless of resolution

Originally Posted by Stellaria

And OBVIOUSLY you must have gotten blocked considering you woke up and told us no new information AND three people died so that paid off for the scum team

Well sure, I did not claim an action but I also did not claim a no action. I kinda hold your ability in high regard and see value in withholding a result which you did today. I was doing the same incase I wanted to claim a false red check for an RT. I find it odd you would assume I would not hold a lookout peek especially given it can nail a scum even outside of potential RT play.

I do see a lot of reason to expect The Lawyer may role block me. They were coming around but due to server perma loading issues I was unable to ever respond. (Herd that shits solved now btw, Thank fucking god that shit was cancer to deal with)
But really, You jump to a hard conclusion even though as the end of day approached they backtracked. The "It paid off" bit bothers me.

I did ask the host if logs could be posted and they asked to paraphrase only. I personally want to hear directly from @jmw about how strongly The Lawyer voiced they would RB me to gauge the certainty drawn.

The other very large issue is I see a 4 player pool with 3 scum in it. Very very small PoE. While its possible for me to be wrong about JMW or Horkos I see it as highly unlikely. We do if nothing else have an absolute W/W or W/T between you and Superjack even considering weird worlds.
I do also see Networker chat as having a wolf in it as very highly likely.

[QUOTE=Stellaria;1021657]It's obvious Lawyer planned to block you if you read their ISO. I can highlight some posts if youd like[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Stellaria;1021631]Yall hedged your bets on Lawyer blocking Helz and it paid off[/QUOTE]
Does not sound like a read here. Sounds like you knew I was blocked.

1v1 with Superjack is of note. As I see it-

If Stellaria is town than Superjack is 100% Scum
If Stellaria is scum than Superjack is not confirmed town given this 1v1 was placed when Stellaria is under the gun for a slip.

Originally Posted by Stellaria

It's obvious Lawyer planned to block you if you read their ISO. I can highlight some posts if youd like

Originally Posted by Stellaria

Yall hedged your bets on Lawyer blocking Helz and it paid off

Does not sound like a read here. Sounds like you knew I was blocked.

1v1 with Superjack is of note. As I see it-

If Stellaria is town than Superjack is 100% Scum
If Stellaria is scum than Superjack is not confirmed town given this 1v1 was placed when Stellaria is under the gun for a slip.

[MENTION=46797]Horkos[/MENTION]
Unless something changes I would just say execute Stellaria. We then see what happens at night.

Im rather surprised how many people are coming and going without saying anything given we could be looking at a hard scum slip. I would love to see what they are saying in their chat right now.

@Horkos
Unless something changes I would just say execute Stellaria. We then see what happens at night.

Im rather surprised how many people are coming and going without saying anything given we could be looking at a hard scum slip. I would love to see what they are saying in their chat right now.

[QUOTE=Stellaria;1021626]So is nobody going to claim to have been Networked or what?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Stellaria;1021627]I need to know who was there and what was said[/QUOTE]

Interesting focus on drawing something out of the chat. I am assuming they have some case they want to push but need someone to say what was said before they can use it to paint a case.
Makes me more comfortable assuming they slipped. After hardline focused on the Networker chat they end up talking about something they got from that chat. If anyone in that chat can confirm that The Lawyer voiced they would RB me I think Stellaria is essentially lock scum.


[QUOTE=Stellaria;1021629]No, actually fuck that I have it figured out now. It's SuperJack, Gikkle, Horkos. You all put Ewian in Network chat and forced him to target Lawyer, then killed him afterwards.[/QUOTE]
Their push here also seems to clear Auwt which is of note.

Originally Posted by Stellaria

So is nobody going to claim to have been Networked or what?

Originally Posted by Stellaria

I need to know who was there and what was said

Interesting focus on drawing something out of the chat. I am assuming they have some case they want to push but need someone to say what was said before they can use it to paint a case.
Makes me more comfortable assuming they slipped. After hardline focused on the Networker chat they end up talking about something they got from that chat. If anyone in that chat can confirm that The Lawyer voiced they would RB me I think Stellaria is essentially lock scum.

Originally Posted by Stellaria

No, actually fuck that I have it figured out now. It's SuperJack, Gikkle, Horkos. You all put Ewian in Network chat and forced him to target Lawyer, then killed him afterwards.

Their push here also seems to clear Auwt which is of note.

A part of me wonders if that makes it more or less likely for Gikkle to be scum.

[QUOTE=Stellaria;1021625]I am not a fan of this logic being used to dismiss scum!Gikkle[/QUOTE]

Seems like Scum used Networker chat well curving actions in their favor and certainly tracking that information for Stellaria to know it without being in the chat. Questioning if it makes it more or less likely for a scum Gikkle. Maybe just a poke at the weak reasoning on my super soft speculation as they poked around trying to widen the PoE?

They also seem to be pushing against execution Auwt twords a lynch their team can control which looks bad for AUWT. Also a question of if they specifically wanted save an Auwt scum partner or if they specifically wanted to stick with a vote for the lynch control, or if its both.

A part of me wonders if that makes it more or less likely for Gikkle to be scum.

Originally Posted by Stellaria

I am not a fan of this logic being used to dismiss scum!Gikkle

Seems like Scum used Networker chat well curving actions in their favor and certainly tracking that information for Stellaria to know it without being in the chat. Questioning if it makes it more or less likely for a scum Gikkle. Maybe just a poke at the weak reasoning on my super soft speculation as they poked around trying to widen the PoE?

They also seem to be pushing against execution Auwt twords a lynch their team can control which looks bad for AUWT. Also a question of if they specifically wanted save an Auwt scum partner or if they specifically wanted to stick with a vote for the lynch control, or if its both.

I will say this is an interesting game. Not very often I have ever been in a position to advocate against voting. Almost shaping up to be an entire game without a single real train to hunt off of. I also do not think I have ever played a game in my entire life where there was never a single lynch if that happens.

I will say this is an interesting game. Not very often I have ever been in a position to advocate against voting. Almost shaping up to be an entire game without a single real train to hunt off of. I also do not think I have ever played a game in my entire life where there was never a single lynch if that happens.

I would fully expect a scum Stellaria to do some kinda FPS red check claim and try to force a 1v1 given a bad lynch means we loose.

[COLOR="#FFFFFF"]I will caution to town again to simply not vote[/COLOR]. 1 bad vote and all 3 wolves can pile on hammering a town player. Also bad look that Stellaria walks in the day pushing for votes although would be inline with believing a scum jailor existed.
[QUOTE=Stellaria;1021638]Here's an idea. If Auwt is scum we can just [B]vote for him[/B].[/QUOTE]

I would fully expect a scum Stellaria to do some kinda FPS red check claim and try to force a 1v1 given a bad lynch means we loose.

I will caution to town again to simply not vote. 1 bad vote and all 3 wolves can pile on hammering a town player. Also bad look that Stellaria walks in the day pushing for votes although would be inline with believing a scum jailor existed.

Originally Posted by Stellaria

Here's an idea. If Auwt is scum we can just vote for him.

[QUOTE=Horkos;1021616]What do you think [MENTION=10617]Helz[/MENTION] ?

I think i will jail auwt and let you and jmw make the plays tonight, jmw will 50/50 on us, and then you can bus you or jmw (unless you want to try a bg play but i am not sure we can win without you), you can also try to shoot ... well its really your move.

I will let you do the thinking, i don't know the others at all (is SJ always like that ?)[/QUOTE]

[COLOR="#FF0000"]Stellaria[/COLOR] Scum slip knowing I was role blocked while also claiming they were not in networker chat. One of their buddies was. Then today they keep trying to pry open the POE and push focus away from the 4 player 3 scum pool.
Superjack -Not even trying to solve. Mafia or just has zero interest in the game. Kinda an empty slot who did some D1 rvs play. Although the Jesus comment did make me fucking laugh
Auwt- I could see a few ways. Im rather uncertain but leaning mafia. I really do not get the FoS on JMW. While possible its just so very unlikely imo and they keep pushing it which bothers me. Probably my biggest issue with them is the line of thought there.
Gikkle Had a hard focus N2 wanting to coordinate night actions. I would also be interested in hearing what was said in night chat. That shot on The Lawyer never should have happened but for some reason nobody bothered to skim their D2 and question if they could have been bussing. I will have to iso them again but from town play maybe the most towny of the 4 but with actions that make a lot of sense for scum. Also starting to feel as if they are waiting until late in the day cycle to participate intentionally which I have seen plenty of wolves do but thats a very very unreliable tell.

On JMW I will again say there is absolutely no world in my head where JMW could be mafia and Horkos is not also Mafia. With a living town vig mafia doc heals on their team 100% of the time. I see both Horkos and JMW as extremely unlikely to be scum to the point I will just take that to my grave unless I get some wild lookout peek that tells me otherwise.

Imo the safe kill is simply Stellaria. Them knowing I was role blocked looks very much like a total slip.

They are correct that the Vig turned into a citizen. I was going to act like I was going to kill but somebody was clever enough to figure that bit out. Would be much easier for mafia to figure out given they know they killed the Vig and Jailor called out his jail last night.

Looks like both of my little tricks for the day are not gona of use.

Originally Posted by Horkos

What do you think @Helz ?

I think i will jail auwt and let you and jmw make the plays tonight, jmw will 50/50 on us, and then you can bus you or jmw (unless you want to try a bg play but i am not sure we can win without you), you can also try to shoot ... well its really your move.

I will let you do the thinking, i don't know the others at all (is SJ always like that ?)

Stellaria Scum slip knowing I was role blocked while also claiming they were not in networker chat. One of their buddies was. Then today they keep trying to pry open the POE and push focus away from the 4 player 3 scum pool.
Superjack -Not even trying to solve. Mafia or just has zero interest in the game. Kinda an empty slot who did some D1 rvs play. Although the Jesus comment did make me fucking laugh
Auwt- I could see a few ways. Im rather uncertain but leaning mafia. I really do not get the FoS on JMW. While possible its just so very unlikely imo and they keep pushing it which bothers me. Probably my biggest issue with them is the line of thought there.
Gikkle Had a hard focus N2 wanting to coordinate night actions. I would also be interested in hearing what was said in night chat. That shot on The Lawyer never should have happened but for some reason nobody bothered to skim their D2 and question if they could have been bussing. I will have to iso them again but from town play maybe the most towny of the 4 but with actions that make a lot of sense for scum. Also starting to feel as if they are waiting until late in the day cycle to participate intentionally which I have seen plenty of wolves do but thats a very very unreliable tell.

On JMW I will again say there is absolutely no world in my head where JMW could be mafia and Horkos is not also Mafia. With a living town vig mafia doc heals on their team 100% of the time. I see both Horkos and JMW as extremely unlikely to be scum to the point I will just take that to my grave unless I get some wild lookout peek that tells me otherwise.

Imo the safe kill is simply Stellaria. Them knowing I was role blocked looks very much like a total slip.

They are correct that the Vig turned into a citizen. I was going to act like I was going to kill but somebody was clever enough to figure that bit out. Would be much easier for mafia to figure out given they know they killed the Vig and Jailor called out his jail last night.

Looks like both of my little tricks for the day are not gona of use.

[QUOTE=Stellaria;1021631]Yall hedged your bets on Lawyer blocking Helz and it paid off[/QUOTE]

Hmmm. How could you possibly know this?

I did not claim it, but yes I was role blocked last night. I was watching the lawyer but got zero feedback.

Sounds like one of your team mates was in that Network chat your asking about. This looks very much like a TMI slip.

Originally Posted by Stellaria

Yall hedged your bets on Lawyer blocking Helz and it paid off

Hmmm. How could you possibly know this?

I did not claim it, but yes I was role blocked last night. I was watching the lawyer but got zero feedback.

Sounds like one of your team mates was in that Network chat your asking about. This looks very much like a TMI slip.

[MENTION=45983]jmw[/MENTION] Consider no voting

[MENTION=45982]oliverz144[/MENTION] Your vote counter is not reset- Current votes:

Aeoryi (1):
Stellaria
SuperJack (1):
ewianking

@jmw Consider no voting

@oliverz144 Your vote counter is not reset- Current votes:

Aeoryi (1):
Stellaria
SuperJack (1):
ewianking

Actually, thinking about it Auwt did have a very odd push arguing that JMW should not be considered town as well as pushing a scum read on me for it now that I think about it.
My lizard brain is pinged on that. Mmm

I would really like to say Gikkle, SJ, Auwt but then Scum Gikkle actions make zero sense.

Does that just lock it into Stellaria Superjack Auwt?

Actually, thinking about it Auwt did have a very odd push arguing that JMW should not be considered town as well as pushing a scum read on me for it now that I think about it.
My lizard brain is pinged on that. Mmm

I would really like to say Gikkle, SJ, Auwt but then Scum Gikkle actions make zero sense.

Does that just lock it into Stellaria Superjack Auwt?

My Feeling right now is
Gikkle
Stellaria
Superjack

But there is so little to read off I may as well be half pulling names from a hat..

My Feeling right now is
Gikkle
Stellaria
Superjack

But there is so little to read off I may as well be half pulling names from a hat..

To go a step forward in logic this is a problem I have-

It was me, JMW, Stellaria and Aeroyi in that chat. So scum Gikkle would have to be teamed with either JMW or Stellaria for their action to pay off in fishing for information. Tiny window that basically imo puts Stellaria / Gikkle as W/W 'or' I am totally wrong about Jmw

On JMW I do not think that I am wrong. We now know that there was a town Vig. I do not see a world where Mafia saw that threat and chose to use a Mafia doc to heal you. That just makes no sense. Ewianking's flip just confirms JMW more

Now lets move even more forward- That would mean a scum Gikkle is exactly paired with Stellaria for their night action to make sense as scum. Gikkle and Stellaria can not both be town so either they are both scum or only Stellaria is scum but unless I am wrong on JMW or Horkos in either situation that means Stellaria is scum.

To go a step forward in logic this is a problem I have-

It was me, JMW, Stellaria and Aeroyi in that chat. So scum Gikkle would have to be teamed with either JMW or Stellaria for their action to pay off in fishing for information. Tiny window that basically imo puts Stellaria / Gikkle as W/W 'or' I am totally wrong about Jmw

On JMW I do not think that I am wrong. We now know that there was a town Vig. I do not see a world where Mafia saw that threat and chose to use a Mafia doc to heal you. That just makes no sense. Ewianking's flip just confirms JMW more

Now lets move even more forward- That would mean a scum Gikkle is exactly paired with Stellaria for their night action to make sense as scum. Gikkle and Stellaria can not both be town so either they are both scum or only Stellaria is scum but unless I am wrong on JMW or Horkos in either situation that means Stellaria is scum.

[QUOTE=Horkos;1021604]I am not so sure that jmw is town, if he is mafia they can hit whoever he did not target

I think gikkle is a scum , not including himself in the night chat feels very mafia now (he does not need to be included if he put one of his teamate in it) since i decided to trust you that mean stellaria or jmw or both are mafia

I think if sj is mafia he really played dirty, the fact that the host did nothing about him not posting makes me think he is town.what do you think about that ?

How do you cancel a vote ?[/QUOTE]

I am more critical that Gikkle wanted coordination talked about of the critical night actions the mafia would be interested in than them not including themselves.

The only way their action makes sense as town is if they just hard town read me and expected me to quarterback night actions while also not being sensitive to the damage 1 scum being in the chat could cause.

Then there is the fact N1 they took no action and it appears neither you or I were in a chat last night. I am not convinced one way or the other but I am very interested in hearing who they targeted last night and why. Their D3 participation did not give me great feelings.

Originally Posted by Horkos

I am not so sure that jmw is town, if he is mafia they can hit whoever he did not target

I think gikkle is a scum , not including himself in the night chat feels very mafia now (he does not need to be included if he put one of his teamate in it) since i decided to trust you that mean stellaria or jmw or both are mafia

I think if sj is mafia he really played dirty, the fact that the host did nothing about him not posting makes me think he is town.what do you think about that ?

How do you cancel a vote ?

I am more critical that Gikkle wanted coordination talked about of the critical night actions the mafia would be interested in than them not including themselves.

The only way their action makes sense as town is if they just hard town read me and expected me to quarterback night actions while also not being sensitive to the damage 1 scum being in the chat could cause.

Then there is the fact N1 they took no action and it appears neither you or I were in a chat last night. I am not convinced one way or the other but I am very interested in hearing who they targeted last night and why. Their D3 participation did not give me great feelings.

[QUOTE=Horkos;1021604]I am not so sure that jmw is town, if he is mafia they can hit whoever he did not target

I think gikkle is a scum , not including himself in the night chat feels very mafia now (he does not need to be included if he put one of his teamate in it) since i decided to trust you that mean stellaria or jmw or both are mafia

I think if sj is mafia he really played dirty, the fact that the host did nothing about him not posting makes me think he is town.what do you think about that ?

How do you cancel a vote ?[/QUOTE]

I believe (unvote][/unvote] or (vote]skip[/vote]

Originally Posted by Horkos

I am not so sure that jmw is town, if he is mafia they can hit whoever he did not target

I think gikkle is a scum , not including himself in the night chat feels very mafia now (he does not need to be included if he put one of his teamate in it) since i decided to trust you that mean stellaria or jmw or both are mafia

I think if sj is mafia he really played dirty, the fact that the host did nothing about him not posting makes me think he is town.what do you think about that ?

How do you cancel a vote ?

I believe (unvote][/unvote] or (vote]skip[/vote]

After some thought I would even say all town should not vote at all today.
1 bad vote and them coordinating both gives them a kill and blocks the jailor from killing even if it outs them. We loose if they do it. I think we should simply not vote at all today regardless of any reads or claimed night actions and such.

After some thought I would even say all town should not vote at all today.
1 bad vote and them coordinating both gives them a kill and blocks the jailor from killing even if it outs them. We loose if they do it. I think we should simply not vote at all today regardless of any reads or claimed night actions and such.

We need to be mindful that Superjack and Auwt get night protections.

Something on Auwt people probably have not thought of-
I did ask the host about this and he is killable at night. Specifically his immunity results from alerting which does not happen if he is jailed so if he gets both jailed and attacked he dies and it breaks his immunity. (Super clever mechanical interaction from the host there) but it is possible if we really wanted to make that happen.

Superjack we need to be mindful he would not die from my shot. Honestly if I had thought of it N1/2 I would have told Ewianking to shoot him once just to drop armor as it would not use the shot and just prevent us from dealing with the issue late game.

Outside of that I strongly recommend all town be VERY careful with votes. 1 bad vote and a coordinated team = a lynch on town.

Horkos- you should also always have a jail picked. Change it and such as many times as needed but worst world for the town is where they blitz a lynch and we do not even get an RB jailing. I will do the same with picking an action.

We need to be mindful that Superjack and Auwt get night protections.

Something on Auwt people probably have not thought of-
I did ask the host about this and he is killable at night. Specifically his immunity results from alerting which does not happen if he is jailed so if he gets both jailed and attacked he dies and it breaks his immunity. (Super clever mechanical interaction from the host there) but it is possible if we really wanted to make that happen.

Superjack we need to be mindful he would not die from my shot. Honestly if I had thought of it N1/2 I would have told Ewianking to shoot him once just to drop armor as it would not use the shot and just prevent us from dealing with the issue late game.

Outside of that I strongly recommend all town be VERY careful with votes. 1 bad vote and a coordinated team = a lynch on town.

Horkos- you should also always have a jail picked. Change it and such as many times as needed but worst world for the town is where they blitz a lynch and we do not even get an RB jailing. I will do the same with picking an action.

You or JMW*

You or JMW*

[QUOTE=Horkos;1021599]Well i am with you, if you are mafia you deserve the w :you played the game unlike some others[/QUOTE]

Same to you honestly. If I am wrong and you are scum you deserve the win.

One of my favorite old war quotes was that of Chesty puller. When he was told his unit was surrounded his response was: "Good, now we can kill the bastards in any direction."

We have a target rich environment and a lot of power. You break everything and RB/Kill and I can pick to RB, Lookout, BD, Kill or BG and we have a solid Doc on our side.

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This is where we stand imo. There are 4 slots with 3 scum in them. If we can not fuck them up in day chat we will just take the fight to them at night.

If I am wrong about you are JMW you both played very well and props for fooling me. If I am not we have a pretty solid shot. I still say you call your target prior to days end to prevent cross fire, Doc uses their judgment (and does not hint at what they will do) and I will give some thought how to best play my hand. We are far from out of this fight and I have told 1 other sneaky lie that could play out critically well.

Originally Posted by Horkos

Well i am with you, if you are mafia you deserve the w :you played the game unlike some others

Same to you honestly. If I am wrong and you are scum you deserve the win.

One of my favorite old war quotes was that of Chesty puller. When he was told his unit was surrounded his response was: "Good, now we can kill the bastards in any direction."

We have a target rich environment and a lot of power. You break everything and RB/Kill and I can pick to RB, Lookout, BD, Kill or BG and we have a solid Doc on our side.

https://ibb.co/JwNzWLC2

This is where we stand imo. There are 4 slots with 3 scum in them. If we can not fuck them up in day chat we will just take the fight to them at night.

If I am wrong about you are JMW you both played very well and props for fooling me. If I am not we have a pretty solid shot. I still say you call your target prior to days end to prevent cross fire, Doc uses their judgment (and does not hint at what they will do) and I will give some thought how to best play my hand. We are far from out of this fight and I have told 1 other sneaky lie that could play out critically well.

[QUOTE=Horkos;1021594]I executed aeoryi, we did not discuss anything in the jail chat

I guess i lost towncred with that, i doubt i will be able to jail again.

We have no more room for mistake.

[MENTION=46461]Stellaria[/MENTION] what did you find ?[/QUOTE]

I am quite honestly much more in favor of you getting to jail than to go with a lynch.
For town to get a good lynch literally every single town needs to vote both correctly and on the same person while if just 1 townie votes wrong the scum get a lynch.

Im straight the fuck up all about a no lynch today because of that. People are also not participating in day chat enough for us to really sort people or find trains. I do not think I have ever gone this late into a game with so little information from lynches and interactions.

Originally Posted by Horkos

I executed aeoryi, we did not discuss anything in the jail chat

I guess i lost towncred with that, i doubt i will be able to jail again.

We have no more room for mistake.

@Stellaria what did you find ?

I am quite honestly much more in favor of you getting to jail than to go with a lynch.
For town to get a good lynch literally every single town needs to vote both correctly and on the same person while if just 1 townie votes wrong the scum get a lynch.

Im straight the fuck up all about a no lynch today because of that. People are also not participating in day chat enough for us to really sort people or find trains. I do not think I have ever gone this late into a game with so little information from lynches and interactions.

Actually its probably something like Jailor executes BG, Vig shot The Lawyer for some reason and Mafia hit Vig.

Maybe worth looking at Vig for motive.

Actually its probably something like Jailor executes BG, Vig shot The Lawyer for some reason and Mafia hit Vig.

Maybe worth looking at Vig for motive.

I should say healed rather.*

I should say healed rather.*

Maybe weird world of Jailor executing, Vigi hits BG and Mafia kill got blocked?

Maybe weird world of Jailor executing, Vigi hits BG and Mafia kill got blocked?

Rough night.

7 alive 4 town 3 mafia. Unlikely we get a good lynch.

Im assuming either Aeroyi ended up hitting Ewianking and Lawyer got the mafia kill or Ewianking killed The Lawyer, Horkos killed Aeroyi and the Mafia killed Ewianking.

So one of my lies I kept pushing was that BG was a determent to Mafia in action. Was trying to do 2 things with that. To basically gaslight Aeroyi to take no action if they were mafia (I still think thats pretty fucking funny) but also to see who would talk about the subject and see how Aeroyi would react. The BG absolutely would have been a good role for the mafia when you consider implications of removing specific PR's for the town.

I will say I was not in a networker chat.

Rough night.

7 alive 4 town 3 mafia. Unlikely we get a good lynch.

Im assuming either Aeroyi ended up hitting Ewianking and Lawyer got the mafia kill or Ewianking killed The Lawyer, Horkos killed Aeroyi and the Mafia killed Ewianking.

So one of my lies I kept pushing was that BG was a determent to Mafia in action. Was trying to do 2 things with that. To basically gaslight Aeroyi to take no action if they were mafia (I still think thats pretty fucking funny) but also to see who would talk about the subject and see how Aeroyi would react. The BG absolutely would have been a good role for the mafia when you consider implications of removing specific PR's for the town.

I will say I was not in a networker chat.