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I only came here for the pineapples and clementines.
The greatest tragedy of Mafia 2.0 is that there was no Durian :(

[vote]FM-Mid-Atlantic[/vote]

I only came here for the pineapples and clementines.
The greatest tragedy of Mafia 2.0 is that there was no Durian

-vote FM-Mid-Atlantic

I honestly want to give it some thought.

A lot of what Once said makes sense to me in some ways. If that role card was real I could see a 10v1 with 2 lives and it somewhat fits what we have seen but holy shit that is a big evil. Maybe they were forced to reveal their role and threw in trolling before and after doing so to hide what they could or maybe they were just throwing it out in our face. The fact Wilders role looked untouched could fit their terminate ability while Bisected's flip looks like all out trolling.

Or it could all be trolling. I duno.

[MENTION=46046]FM-Mid-Atlantic[/MENTION] For what its worth I am not just going to fast hammer you. I will think about some things to ask you but Matrix did have access to all chats so I would rather have rapid exchanges when you are around. Otherwise information could be referenced although this runs into some issues I won't ramble about. There is plenty of time for us to consider all the angles in this situation and I do not see the need to rush it.

Although you gotta put yourself in my shoes here and ask why wouldn't Once Upon a Town hammer me if they were evil and had the win? Why wouldn't I hammer you? Analysis aside I am not sure what level of reasoning could make me overlook these facts.

I honestly want to give it some thought.

A lot of what Once said makes sense to me in some ways. If that role card was real I could see a 10v1 with 2 lives and it somewhat fits what we have seen but holy shit that is a big evil. Maybe they were forced to reveal their role and threw in trolling before and after doing so to hide what they could or maybe they were just throwing it out in our face. The fact Wilders role looked untouched could fit their terminate ability while Bisected's flip looks like all out trolling.

Or it could all be trolling. I duno.

@FM-Mid-Atlantic For what its worth I am not just going to fast hammer you. I will think about some things to ask you but Matrix did have access to all chats so I would rather have rapid exchanges when you are around. Otherwise information could be referenced although this runs into some issues I won't ramble about. There is plenty of time for us to consider all the angles in this situation and I do not see the need to rush it.

Although you gotta put yourself in my shoes here and ask why wouldn't Once Upon a Town hammer me if they were evil and had the win? Why wouldn't I hammer you? Analysis aside I am not sure what level of reasoning could make me overlook these facts.

[QUOTE=FM-Mid-Atlantic;955444]*** If I was to assume there was more than just cult****

just had to correct that before I sincerely fuck off. that's how much I trust my lock with once. I'm voting the correct player, and there's nothing more I can do.[/QUOTE]

There is 48 hours in the day. Take all the time you need. I will not be the one to quick hammer...

Seriously.. That first hour vote has me thinking some 'too scummy to be scum' nonsense.

Originally Posted by FM-Mid-Atlantic

*** If I was to assume there was more than just cult****

just had to correct that before I sincerely fuck off. that's how much I trust my lock with once. I'm voting the correct player, and there's nothing more I can do.

There is 48 hours in the day. Take all the time you need. I will not be the one to quick hammer...

Seriously.. That first hour vote has me thinking some 'too scummy to be scum' nonsense.

[QUOTE=FM-Mid-Atlantic;955442]I do not care to duke it out with you. In my view, you're obvi scum at this point for just pulling shit out of your ass.

If I was to not assume there was more than just cult, what would be the alternative? an arsonist? I have heavily believed once to be town pretty much all game, hence why I bussed him all the damn time (why I bussed him instead of Allstars tbh at the beginning). Last hope was clearly scum. CLEARLY. and if you're town and you choose to not believe that, you're just as dumb as those other two num nuts.

anyways, im out
this game has been exhausting and I have literally, LITERALLY, laid everything out on the line. believe it, don't... I can go to bed tonight knowing that I was an A1 town player this game.[/QUOTE]

Its not that I do not believe Hope was scum. Its that I do not believe your reasoning or your 'test' was a test at all.

You should have given some consideration to BD WIFOM instead of jumping to the conclusion their action made them confirmed town

The way you just assumed both that there was only 1 scum (cult) and that Hope was cult does not make any sense

And lets be real here. Yesterday you were not even willing to entertain the idea I was scum. You were even cracking jokes about how special our relationship was and how you understand that we can not be together at points in this game. To go from that to justifying that I must just be confirmed scum because.... Once checked hope? You town read me very hard this game so how can you point to past reads like yours on me did not exist?

And if you are so confident its just a cult situation we are in why are you not trying to vet us? Who is to say a conversion or a disguise could not have happened last night? Its like you have no interest in actually solving today and just want to push a position.

Originally Posted by FM-Mid-Atlantic

I do not care to duke it out with you. In my view, you're obvi scum at this point for just pulling shit out of your ass.

If I was to not assume there was more than just cult, what would be the alternative? an arsonist? I have heavily believed once to be town pretty much all game, hence why I bussed him all the damn time (why I bussed him instead of Allstars tbh at the beginning). Last hope was clearly scum. CLEARLY. and if you're town and you choose to not believe that, you're just as dumb as those other two num nuts.

anyways, im out
this game has been exhausting and I have literally, LITERALLY, laid everything out on the line. believe it, don't... I can go to bed tonight knowing that I was an A1 town player this game.

Its not that I do not believe Hope was scum. Its that I do not believe your reasoning or your 'test' was a test at all.

You should have given some consideration to BD WIFOM instead of jumping to the conclusion their action made them confirmed town

The way you just assumed both that there was only 1 scum (cult) and that Hope was cult does not make any sense

And lets be real here. Yesterday you were not even willing to entertain the idea I was scum. You were even cracking jokes about how special our relationship was and how you understand that we can not be together at points in this game. To go from that to justifying that I must just be confirmed scum because.... Once checked hope? You town read me very hard this game so how can you point to past reads like yours on me did not exist?

And if you are so confident its just a cult situation we are in why are you not trying to vet us? Who is to say a conversion or a disguise could not have happened last night? Its like you have no interest in actually solving today and just want to push a position.

[QUOTE=FM-Mid-Atlantic;955439]and you know what, [MENTION=46053]FM-Silent Night[/MENTION] , if you're really the townie in this situation and once is by chance scum... shame on you for hardly reading yesterday.[/QUOTE]

Excuse me for feeling sick.

Your tone really has totally changed sense yesterday. Before then you were calm and reasoning and then Yesterday you went to shoving lynches and demanding people are idiots if they can not see your lynch is the obvious must.

Originally Posted by FM-Mid-Atlantic

and you know what, @FM-Silent Night , if you're really the townie in this situation and once is by chance scum... shame on you for hardly reading yesterday.

Excuse me for feeling sick.

Your tone really has totally changed sense yesterday. Before then you were calm and reasoning and then Yesterday you went to shoving lynches and demanding people are idiots if they can not see your lynch is the obvious must.

[QUOTE=FM-Mid-Atlantic;955438]nah, idc if hopes card was wrong or altered. he was clearly clearly clearly scum. And so what bisected. In my eyes, once is lock town and pretty much nothing can change my mind.[/QUOTE]

You are not making sense. If you had just said you did not think about it I might have believed there was some world where you were derping town. But to say Hope was clearly scum thus Once could not be any kind of scum because of their targeting Hope does not add up in the slightest.

Logic jumps:

Only cult exists
Last Hope is cult (in spite of flip)
Once Upon's action is pure with no influence of BD WIFOM

You can not explain any of these 3 logic jumps because your reason for fast voting had nothing to do with your 'test' and that 'test' was just an excuse to push a fast vote.

Originally Posted by FM-Mid-Atlantic

nah, idc if hopes card was wrong or altered. he was clearly clearly clearly scum. And so what bisected. In my eyes, once is lock town and pretty much nothing can change my mind.

You are not making sense. If you had just said you did not think about it I might have believed there was some world where you were derping town. But to say Hope was clearly scum thus Once could not be any kind of scum because of their targeting Hope does not add up in the slightest.

Logic jumps:

Only cult exists
Last Hope is cult (in spite of flip)
Once Upon's action is pure with no influence of BD WIFOM

You can not explain any of these 3 logic jumps because your reason for fast voting had nothing to do with your 'test' and that 'test' was just an excuse to push a fast vote.

[QUOTE=FM-Mid-Atlantic;955434]I specifically swapped him with last hope because why the fuck would cult target their cult members for a convert?. And he was capable of identifying who I bussed him with.[/QUOTE]

But my issue is that a self target this should not equate to a non-cult given Hope flipped "My Little Pony Fan Club" alignment. For you to make that assumption you have to assume Hopes card was not only wrong but that they were specifically cult, and then that Once did not use any level of WIFOM in a game where you had outed as being able to bus 4 people with 4 living players.

I just do not follow your reasoning here. It does not match your confidence to stop and say 'They are lock town, Lets vote to end the game instead of talk about it because nothing will change my mind'

Originally Posted by FM-Mid-Atlantic

I specifically swapped him with last hope because why the fuck would cult target their cult members for a convert?. And he was capable of identifying who I bussed him with.

But my issue is that a self target this should not equate to a non-cult given Hope flipped "My Little Pony Fan Club" alignment. For you to make that assumption you have to assume Hopes card was not only wrong but that they were specifically cult, and then that Once did not use any level of WIFOM in a game where you had outed as being able to bus 4 people with 4 living players.

I just do not follow your reasoning here. It does not match your confidence to stop and say 'They are lock town, Lets vote to end the game instead of talk about it because nothing will change my mind'

[MENTION=46046]FM-Mid-Atlantic[/MENTION]

I would still like to understand your thought process behind this 'test' you hung the game on.

@FM-Mid-Atlantic

I would still like to understand your thought process behind this 'test' you hung the game on.

The more I think about it the more I think you are just trying to blitz the end vote. We have 48 hours and within the very first hour you want to kill conversation? Mmmm

The more I think about it the more I think you are just trying to blitz the end vote. We have 48 hours and within the very first hour you want to kill conversation? Mmmm

[QUOTE=FM-Mid-Atlantic;955419]because I said you passed a test? I mean... I clearly designed the bus targets to ask you that question. You cannot refute that I bussed you last night.[/QUOTE]

I want to hear more about this test.

What about them preforming an action would clear them as cult so hard you would hang the game on it without a single thought? Especially after seeing those crazy flips that strongly suggest the host or a player messed with flips?

Originally Posted by FM-Mid-Atlantic

because I said you passed a test? I mean... I clearly designed the bus targets to ask you that question. You cannot refute that I bussed you last night.

I want to hear more about this test.

What about them preforming an action would clear them as cult so hard you would hang the game on it without a single thought? Especially after seeing those crazy flips that strongly suggest the host or a player messed with flips?

[QUOTE=FM-Mid-Atlantic;955414]also, I just want to mention, silent was the only one to know early on in the game that gravity was a jailor.[/QUOTE]

But why would I kill the Jailor who trusted me so very much they held up a day to hear my thoughts on who they should role block? If I was evil that player would be a huge benefit to me.

Just search for their "Code Aardvark" and look at our interactions. I mention the word 'Cheesecake Sandwich' which was code for jailing target. Our code was also alphabetical which is why I misinterpreted it at first. A word meaning player 1, B player 2 so I thought Aardvark meant they were asking me if I wanted to be jailed again for protection instead of them asking who should be role blocked.

Originally Posted by FM-Mid-Atlantic

also, I just want to mention, silent was the only one to know early on in the game that gravity was a jailor.

But why would I kill the Jailor who trusted me so very much they held up a day to hear my thoughts on who they should role block? If I was evil that player would be a huge benefit to me.

Just search for their "Code Aardvark" and look at our interactions. I mention the word 'Cheesecake Sandwich' which was code for jailing target. Our code was also alphabetical which is why I misinterpreted it at first. A word meaning player 1, B player 2 so I thought Aardvark meant they were asking me if I wanted to be jailed again for protection instead of them asking who should be role blocked.

[QUOTE=FM-Once Upon a Town;955410]Why are you pleading your case to the one you suspect most ?...[/QUOTE]

I am not sure how well the word pleading fits in context. It was more of a 'You are probably scum given this so I am not going to plead shit' statement.

Originally Posted by FM-Once Upon a Town

Why are you pleading your case to the one you suspect most ?...

I am not sure how well the word pleading fits in context. It was more of a 'You are probably scum given this so I am not going to plead shit' statement.

[QUOTE=FM-Mid-Atlantic;955403]plead your case to me mr/ms silent[/QUOTE]

My case is simple right now. You voted me and Once did not hammer. This looks very very bad for you.

Originally Posted by FM-Mid-Atlantic

plead your case to me mr/ms silent

My case is simple right now. You voted me and Once did not hammer. This looks very very bad for you.

[QUOTE=FM-Once Upon a Town;955395]The chances that the D1 flip were tailored are extremely slim, since it would have to be the n0 action[/QUOTE]

True.

Regardless flips HAVE to be a lie. Last hopes says something about being the only non-town while toons flipped Cult. One of them 100% has to be a lie if not both. Last Hopes sounds too insane to be real though and thats before we account for the faction being the my little pony fan club or the Rick Roll at the end. The thing thats bothering me is how it all looks legit except for the beginning and end while Bisected's looks to troll all the way through..

It would certainly be nice if we did snipe the cult before they ever got going but I do not think we can rule anything out.

Originally Posted by FM-Once Upon a Town

The chances that the D1 flip were tailored are extremely slim, since it would have to be the n0 action

True.

Regardless flips HAVE to be a lie. Last hopes says something about being the only non-town while toons flipped Cult. One of them 100% has to be a lie if not both. Last Hopes sounds too insane to be real though and thats before we account for the faction being the my little pony fan club or the Rick Roll at the end. The thing thats bothering me is how it all looks legit except for the beginning and end while Bisected's looks to troll all the way through..

It would certainly be nice if we did snipe the cult before they ever got going but I do not think we can rule anything out.

[QUOTE=FM-Once Upon a Town;955398]Why do you bother thinking about whether its 1v1v1 or 2v1 ? It doesn't change jackshit for you, or me even[/QUOTE]

If it is 1v1v1 I would rather you two open wolf. I do not like being the stupid one in the situation. If I am to loose regardless lets just move past it and accept what is coming while keeping things fun.

Originally Posted by FM-Once Upon a Town

Why do you bother thinking about whether its 1v1v1 or 2v1 ? It doesn't change jackshit for you, or me even

If it is 1v1v1 I would rather you two open wolf. I do not like being the stupid one in the situation. If I am to loose regardless lets just move past it and accept what is coming while keeping things fun.

I am going to throw this out there. If both of you are non-town and just need my vote the one to tell me the best joke gets my support. If I have lost either way it does not matter.

I am going to throw this out there. If both of you are non-town and just need my vote the one to tell me the best joke gets my support. If I have lost either way it does not matter.

[QUOTE=FM-Once Upon a Town;955392]I expected you to jump on the occasion to cast shade on Atlantic[/QUOTE]

I do not trust anyone. 2v1 at best. At worst its 1v1v1 and I am the only town. But yeah, Atlantic throwing a vote like they already know the game state looks especially shady after seeing them caution to be careful with votes.

Originally Posted by FM-Once Upon a Town

I expected you to jump on the occasion to cast shade on Atlantic

I do not trust anyone. 2v1 at best. At worst its 1v1v1 and I am the only town. But yeah, Atlantic throwing a vote like they already know the game state looks especially shady after seeing them caution to be careful with votes.

[QUOTE=FM-Once Upon a Town;955391]There is literally 0% chance i am scum.
Which is obvious from my POV but even from yours it should be pretty obvious[/QUOTE]

I am paranoid as fuck after seeing these crazy flips. I mean.. One was literally called 'What the cluck.'

Either Lag is trolling or someone else with some kind of tailoring function is and it greatly changes what we can accept to be true about this game if we can not trust flips.

Originally Posted by FM-Once Upon a Town

There is literally 0% chance i am scum.
Which is obvious from my POV but even from yours it should be pretty obvious

I am paranoid as fuck after seeing these crazy flips. I mean.. One was literally called 'What the cluck.'

Either Lag is trolling or someone else with some kind of tailoring function is and it greatly changes what we can accept to be true about this game if we can not trust flips.

[QUOTE=FM-Once Upon a Town;955381]You are matrix.[/QUOTE]

The weird thing is I was walking into today thinking you were most likely the scum. But with Atlantic giving 0 fucks about their vote and understanding how important it is not to misscast I dont know.

Like.. Even if they thought you were culted why would preforming an action in any way translate to you not being culted? Their reasoning does not make sense to me in a game where they gave decent reasoning for most of it.

Originally Posted by FM-Once Upon a Town

You are matrix.

The weird thing is I was walking into today thinking you were most likely the scum. But with Atlantic giving 0 fucks about their vote and understanding how important it is not to misscast I dont know.

Like.. Even if they thought you were culted why would preforming an action in any way translate to you not being culted? Their reasoning does not make sense to me in a game where they gave decent reasoning for most of it.

[QUOTE=FM-Once Upon a Town;955378]Okay let's go full tinfoil.
Last Hope was framed as MLP and was the last cultist.[/QUOTE]

If we are going full tinfoil I think we should go further than that and ask if Cult ever existed in the first place or if there actually was some evil with a massive tailoring ability like we saw in that role card.

Originally Posted by FM-Once Upon a Town

Okay let's go full tinfoil.
Last Hope was framed as MLP and was the last cultist.

If we are going full tinfoil I think we should go further than that and ask if Cult ever existed in the first place or if there actually was some evil with a massive tailoring ability like we saw in that role card.

[QUOTE=FM-Mid-Atlantic;955375][vote]FM-Silent Night[/vote]

there is nothing more that can be said to change my mind

vote with me, or don't, but I whole heartedly believe this is the correct choice.[/QUOTE]

You cautioned not to vote and then you just throw a vote out without even giving time to talk...

If Once does not hammer me they are the other town. If they are the scum you are a fool for doing this.

Originally Posted by FM-Mid-Atlantic

-vote FM-Silent Night

there is nothing more that can be said to change my mind

vote with me, or don't, but I whole heartedly believe this is the correct choice.

You cautioned not to vote and then you just throw a vote out without even giving time to talk...

If Once does not hammer me they are the other town. If they are the scum you are a fool for doing this.

[QUOTE=FM-Once Upon a Town;955367]What's ur wincon ?
Also, did we actually wipe cult out D1 ?...[/QUOTE]

I have no idea. This is my rolecard:
[SIZE=4][B][COLOR="#FFFFFF"]Alignment:[/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR="#008000"]Town[/COLOR][/B][/SIZE]
[SIZE=4][B][COLOR="#FFFFFF"]Role:[/COLOR][/B] [B][COLOR="#008000"]Wizard[/COLOR][/B][/SIZE]

[U][COLOR="#FFFFFF"][SIZE=4][B]Factional Abilities:[/B][/SIZE][/U][/COLOR]
Town is the uninformed majority and receives no factional abilities. Use your vote and your role to win!

[U][COLOR="#FFFFFF"][SIZE=4][B]Role Abilities:[/B][/SIZE][/U][/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FFFFFF"][B]Mana Gain[/B][/COLOR]
[COLOR="#D3D3D3"](Passive)[/COLOR]
Gain 2 mana at the start of each day.

[COLOR="#FFFFFF"][B]Harvest Malice[/B][/COLOR]
[COLOR="#D3D3D3"](Passive)[/COLOR]
Gain an additional 1 mana per player that is voting you at EoD. You may self-vote to trigger this ability too.

[COLOR="#FFFFFF"][B]Ability Thief[/B][/COLOR]
[COLOR="#D3D3D3"](Multitaskable, Unlimited Use)[/COLOR]
Spend 3 mana, target another player, and guess the name of a role ability that they possess. If your guess is correct, you permanently steal that ability from them.

Note: Unlimited Use means you may use the ability multiple times in the same phase, if you had 30 mana, you could attempt to steal 10 abilities.

[COLOR="#FFFFFF"][B]Clairvoyance[/B][/COLOR]
[COLOR="#D3D3D3"](Multitaskable)[/COLOR]
Spend mana equal to the amount of mana you began the night with to cast both of the following spells:
- Infiltrate
- Anonymous Post

- [B][COLOR="#D3D3D3"]Infiltrate[/COLOR][/B]
You will join one random existing non-factional private chat at the start of the next day.

Alternatively you may elect to delay the infiltration to instead join one random existing non-factional private chat at the start of the next night.

- [B][COLOR="#D3D3D3"]Anonymous Post[/COLOR][/B]
You may submit a SoD and an EoD message. The messages will be anonymously posted at SoD and EoD respectively.

I lied about 2 things this game. I never had any vest buying ability. Did that for WIFOM because I wanted to play as overt town.

When I revealed everything about my role to Atlantic and Last Hope I lied that my mana gain names were different from the warlocks. Figured if I had some function to use a name to grab abilities some scum may as well given I thought I was right that scum also had a utility to gain mana from votes. Now I am just wondering if that D1 Toons flip was some tailored stuff to frame me given the factions name.

Originally Posted by FM-Once Upon a Town

What's ur wincon ?
Also, did we actually wipe cult out D1 ?...

I have no idea. This is my rolecard:
Alignment: Town
Role: Wizard

Factional Abilities:
Town is the uninformed majority and receives no factional abilities. Use your vote and your role to win!

Role Abilities:
Mana Gain
(Passive)
Gain 2 mana at the start of each day.

Harvest Malice
(Passive)
Gain an additional 1 mana per player that is voting you at EoD. You may self-vote to trigger this ability too.

Ability Thief
(Multitaskable, Unlimited Use)
Spend 3 mana, target another player, and guess the name of a role ability that they possess. If your guess is correct, you permanently steal that ability from them.

Note: Unlimited Use means you may use the ability multiple times in the same phase, if you had 30 mana, you could attempt to steal 10 abilities.

Clairvoyance
(Multitaskable)
Spend mana equal to the amount of mana you began the night with to cast both of the following spells:
- Infiltrate
- Anonymous Post

- Infiltrate
You will join one random existing non-factional private chat at the start of the next day.

Alternatively you may elect to delay the infiltration to instead join one random existing non-factional private chat at the start of the next night.

- Anonymous Post
You may submit a SoD and an EoD message. The messages will be anonymously posted at SoD and EoD respectively.

I lied about 2 things this game. I never had any vest buying ability. Did that for WIFOM because I wanted to play as overt town.

When I revealed everything about my role to Atlantic and Last Hope I lied that my mana gain names were different from the warlocks. Figured if I had some function to use a name to grab abilities some scum may as well given I thought I was right that scum also had a utility to gain mana from votes. Now I am just wondering if that D1 Toons flip was some tailored stuff to frame me given the factions name.

[QUOTE=FM-Once Upon a Town;955366]the MLP role states :


and town's wincon states :
Town: Eliminate all anti-town factions.

So if we did eliminate the "only anti-town player" we won !

tl;dr : it's a joke. We probably wouldn't be there if we had won.[/QUOTE]

I am not sure how much we can put into a rolecard flip that is named 'You will love my balls' and has a rick roll in it.

Originally Posted by FM-Once Upon a Town

the MLP role states :


and town's wincon states :
Town: Eliminate all anti-town factions.

So if we did eliminate the "only anti-town player" we won !

tl;dr : it's a joke. We probably wouldn't be there if we had won.

I am not sure how much we can put into a rolecard flip that is named 'You will love my balls' and has a rick roll in it.

[MENTION=46045]FM-Once Upon a Town[/MENTION] [MENTION=46046]FM-Mid-Atlantic[/MENTION]

If we have a game right now its fair to assume its 2v1. One bad vote means scum can snipe and its over.

@FM-Once Upon a Town @FM-Mid-Atlantic

If we have a game right now its fair to assume its 2v1. One bad vote means scum can snipe and its over.

This flailing makes me feel more confident you are not town. The only thing you care about is staying alive.

This flailing makes me feel more confident you are not town. The only thing you care about is staying alive.

Im having a bit of trouble getting my head back in the game but I am better than yesterday. Last Hope's flip helps resolve Wilder and Once. Wilder with the peek and Once with the chances of 2 very strong invests both being town. It is also of not with no N3 bussing on Last Hope their cult peek would be the only straight up one.
Doesn't matter. It will happen anyways.

Bisecteds flip helps solve for Once and Atlantic. I am leaning towards that vote given their behavior this entire game has been so utterly survival focused on top of a damning peek.

Best world scenario Bisected and Hope both flip evil and its game over with a badass night action by Once.

Wilder brought up an interesting potential of lynching Hope to effectively skip the day but I am less in favor of this if we are going up against cult. More time = more converts and I am not with this 'lets get converted' plan that keeps getting brought up.

[SPOILER=For referance]Once:
N1 i targeted Silent Night, as i said, but i ended up "dousing" Last Hope, for some fucking reason.
N2 i targeted Wilder Wastelander, forgetting he had asked to serve as shield because i was tired, and ended up "dousing" myself.

You have ignited!
Last Hope is: Wizard Federation
Last Hope visited: Mid-Atlantic
Last Hope was visited by: No one

Once Upon a Town is: Wizard Federation
Once Upon a Town visited: No one
Once Upon a Town was visited by: Mid-Atlantic


N3 busses
Once / Bisected
Atlantic / Wilder[/SPOILER]

Any way we look at this situation Bisected is the logical play. If I were to ignore all mechanical information analysis still points me at them. I do not think I have really seen them dig into a single player the entire game past some small bits in a wall D1. [VOTE]FM-Bisected Souls[/VOTE]

Im having a bit of trouble getting my head back in the game but I am better than yesterday. Last Hope's flip helps resolve Wilder and Once. Wilder with the peek and Once with the chances of 2 very strong invests both being town. It is also of not with no N3 bussing on Last Hope their cult peek would be the only straight up one.
Doesn't matter. It will happen anyways.

Bisecteds flip helps solve for Once and Atlantic. I am leaning towards that vote given their behavior this entire game has been so utterly survival focused on top of a damning peek.

Best world scenario Bisected and Hope both flip evil and its game over with a badass night action by Once.

Wilder brought up an interesting potential of lynching Hope to effectively skip the day but I am less in favor of this if we are going up against cult. More time = more converts and I am not with this 'lets get converted' plan that keeps getting brought up.

Spoiler : For referance :

Once:
N1 i targeted Silent Night, as i said, but i ended up "dousing" Last Hope, for some fucking reason.
N2 i targeted Wilder Wastelander, forgetting he had asked to serve as shield because i was tired, and ended up "dousing" myself.

You have ignited!
Last Hope is: Wizard Federation
Last Hope visited: Mid-Atlantic
Last Hope was visited by: No one

Once Upon a Town is: Wizard Federation
Once Upon a Town visited: No one
Once Upon a Town was visited by: Mid-Atlantic


N3 busses
Once / Bisected
Atlantic / Wilder

Any way we look at this situation Bisected is the logical play. If I were to ignore all mechanical information analysis still points me at them. I do not think I have really seen them dig into a single player the entire game past some small bits in a wall D1.

-vote FM-Bisected Souls

I am pissy today. Tested positive for COVID and my bathroom flooded. I should do more but I just don't have it in me at the moment.

I feel like I should break down known information to get us all on the same page but anyone can do that. Will do later. Probably going to call it an early night.

Kinda funny though that we went from no information to too much information. I feel like this should be moving towards an easy solve. I don't think there is a Cult majority though and I don't trust having 3 cult peeks with 1 dead cult. That does not make sense for balance to me.

I am pissy today. Tested positive for COVID and my bathroom flooded. I should do more but I just don't have it in me at the moment.

I feel like I should break down known information to get us all on the same page but anyone can do that. Will do later. Probably going to call it an early night.

Kinda funny though that we went from no information to too much information. I feel like this should be moving towards an easy solve. I don't think there is a Cult majority though and I don't trust having 3 cult peeks with 1 dead cult. That does not make sense for balance to me.

[QUOTE=FM-Mid-Atlantic;954954]im not sure what the fuck you're talking about. Once's feedback can literally be explained by my bussing. It's very clear here that Bisected and Last Hope are a duo.[/QUOTE]

Maybe. I just got to skim the day from my phone while running around. I just saw weird feedback and assumed insanity modifier on a role at first.

I will dig into it when I have time.

Originally Posted by FM-Mid-Atlantic

im not sure what the fuck you're talking about. Once's feedback can literally be explained by my bussing. It's very clear here that Bisected and Last Hope are a duo.

Maybe. I just got to skim the day from my phone while running around. I just saw weird feedback and assumed insanity modifier on a role at first.

I will dig into it when I have time.

[QUOTE=FM-Mid-Atlantic;954950]we've already figured it out. don't pay last hope any mind.[/QUOTE]

Im caught up now and just shaking my head. Fuck everything about the way this day started.

If Once was not likely Insane Alignment Cop I would be pushing to sort between them and Last Hope. It does bring up the question of if this insane modifier is tied to the role or some evil action used on them.

Not sure if we were on the same line of thought there but a lot of the 'what if this and that' is simply resolved by assuming Once's peeks are either fucked with, a result of some 'insane' modifier on his role, or some sort variety of lie. Given how they responded I am leaning towards one of the first 2.

Im not sure what to think about Hopes peek. Kinda flys in the face of what I just said about Wilder. Coin toss on dying scum trying to take someone down with them and town advocating for one last catch before they die there. Also would be a 1v1 except again, one side is already kinda resolved without us knowing the answer.

Hopes flip will explain a ton. I feel like today is going to be a mess though. Once vs Hope Hope vs Wilder in a situation where a Hope lynch is not a viable solution.. Thats starting the day with half the players locked up waiting on a D5 flip. Bisected's ability may not be such a great thing for town after all although I doubt its by design.

Originally Posted by FM-Mid-Atlantic

we've already figured it out. don't pay last hope any mind.

Im caught up now and just shaking my head. Fuck everything about the way this day started.

If Once was not likely Insane Alignment Cop I would be pushing to sort between them and Last Hope. It does bring up the question of if this insane modifier is tied to the role or some evil action used on them.

Not sure if we were on the same line of thought there but a lot of the 'what if this and that' is simply resolved by assuming Once's peeks are either fucked with, a result of some 'insane' modifier on his role, or some sort variety of lie. Given how they responded I am leaning towards one of the first 2.

Im not sure what to think about Hopes peek. Kinda flys in the face of what I just said about Wilder. Coin toss on dying scum trying to take someone down with them and town advocating for one last catch before they die there. Also would be a 1v1 except again, one side is already kinda resolved without us knowing the answer.

Hopes flip will explain a ton. I feel like today is going to be a mess though. Once vs Hope Hope vs Wilder in a situation where a Hope lynch is not a viable solution.. Thats starting the day with half the players locked up waiting on a D5 flip. Bisected's ability may not be such a great thing for town after all although I doubt its by design.

[QUOTE=FM-Bisected Souls;954861]And last, tell us abt the current telebones name, and who you sent it to.[/QUOTE]

Just because you are so into it...

N0 Me to Atlantic
N1 Atlantic to Hope (I infultrated)
N2 Hope to Me
N3 Me redirected to Wilder

What its called right now shouldn't matter but its a variant of Mellons

Originally Posted by FM-Bisected Souls

And last, tell us abt the current telebones name, and who you sent it to.

Just because you are so into it...

N0 Me to Atlantic
N1 Atlantic to Hope (I infultrated)
N2 Hope to Me
N3 Me redirected to Wilder

What its called right now shouldn't matter but its a variant of Mellons

[QUOTE=FM-Last Hope;954872][MENTION=46053]FM-Silent Night[/MENTION] and [MENTION=46049]FM-Wilder Wastelander[/MENTION] please reply to this once you're online.[/QUOTE]

Poking my head in for a moment. I will kinda be in and out for the first half of the day.

Not sure why everyone is talking about silly stuff. If Once saw the correct movements but the opposite alignment the obvious answer is their role has an insane modifier seeing opposite/wrong alignments (If they are telling the truth.)

Something of note is that last night in my talks with Wilder they asked me to convert them in a very non-joking way. This suggests they are both not neutral (as that neutrals couldn't be converted) and are not cult themselves so take that for what it is. They pretty much have to be exactly town right now or you would have to WIFOM they knew I would realize that and pulled a smart move. Mentioning this because its pretty AI imo.

Originally Posted by FM-Last Hope

@FM-Silent Night and @FM-Wilder Wastelander please reply to this once you're online.

Poking my head in for a moment. I will kinda be in and out for the first half of the day.

Not sure why everyone is talking about silly stuff. If Once saw the correct movements but the opposite alignment the obvious answer is their role has an insane modifier seeing opposite/wrong alignments (If they are telling the truth.)

Something of note is that last night in my talks with Wilder they asked me to convert them in a very non-joking way. This suggests they are both not neutral (as that neutrals couldn't be converted) and are not cult themselves so take that for what it is. They pretty much have to be exactly town right now or you would have to WIFOM they knew I would realize that and pulled a smart move. Mentioning this because its pretty AI imo.

[QUOTE=FM-Bisected Souls;954741]Exactly my thougth
But i dont believe in arson[/QUOTE]

If that is the situation but its not an issue of Arson what do you think is going on?

Originally Posted by FM-Bisected Souls

Exactly my thougth
But i dont believe in arson

If that is the situation but its not an issue of Arson what do you think is going on?

[QUOTE=FM-Bisected Souls;954738]What was the word on it
What 2 letters did u change
Who did u gave it[/QUOTE]

I changed Telephone to Telebone by removing the H and turning the p into a b. Thought that was clever : P
I gave it to Mid-Atlantic N0

Not sure why this matters but I will reveal that. Im still cautious that names matter.

Originally Posted by FM-Bisected Souls

What was the word on it
What 2 letters did u change
Who did u gave it

I changed Telephone to Telebone by removing the H and turning the p into a b. Thought that was clever : P
I gave it to Mid-Atlantic N0

Not sure why this matters but I will reveal that. Im still cautious that names matter.

[QUOTE=FM-Last Hope;954730]To clarify, either Wilder or I dies tonight unless Wilder manages to roleblock the killer or there's a save.[/QUOTE]

There is always door number 3 given there was apparently 1 shot (from Wilder) and only 1 kill.

We live in a 0 KPN world

If we think about it. N1- 1 kill and it was from Toons vengeful.
N2- 1 kill and it may have been from Wilders gun.
So N3 if there is 1 kill (gravity's vengeful) we could be dealing with some kinda arson, or maybe something extra bastard.

Originally Posted by FM-Last Hope

To clarify, either Wilder or I dies tonight unless Wilder manages to roleblock the killer or there's a save.

There is always door number 3 given there was apparently 1 shot (from Wilder) and only 1 kill.

We live in a 0 KPN world

If we think about it. N1- 1 kill and it was from Toons vengeful.
N2- 1 kill and it may have been from Wilders gun.
So N3 if there is 1 kill (gravity's vengeful) we could be dealing with some kinda arson, or maybe something extra bastard.

[QUOTE=FM-Bisected Souls;954712]Your telephone
Claim EVERYTHING[/QUOTE]

I am not sure what you are saying. And its not my telephone. Its an item I started with that has gotten passed around. Maybe one of these days we will both join it together given that seems to be an ability we both have.

Originally Posted by FM-Bisected Souls

Your telephone
Claim EVERYTHING

I am not sure what you are saying. And its not my telephone. Its an item I started with that has gotten passed around. Maybe one of these days we will both join it together given that seems to be an ability we both have.

[unvote][/unVOTE]

Didn't realize it was L1.

I would like to give them more time if they do want to come and contribute. Although interesting question..

If they did come back and drop a sick ass reads wall or something who should be the lynch?

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Didn't realize it was L1.

I would like to give them more time if they do want to come and contribute. Although interesting question..

If they did come back and drop a sick ass reads wall or something who should be the lynch?

[QUOTE=FM-Once Upon a Town;954696]This is a very dangerous assumption. Simply because their roles makes them makes them less likely to be scum read, the role is desirable for scum.[/QUOTE]

Yeah. I am not going to town read them just for that. Its just the reason I am not actively interested in seeing their lynch and would rather see a PoE/Policy go on Politico than them or Wilder.

I think I will spend some time with you tomorrow if we are both alive.

Originally Posted by FM-Once Upon a Town

This is a very dangerous assumption. Simply because their roles makes them makes them less likely to be scum read, the role is desirable for scum.

Yeah. I am not going to town read them just for that. Its just the reason I am not actively interested in seeing their lynch and would rather see a PoE/Policy go on Politico than them or Wilder.

I think I will spend some time with you tomorrow if we are both alive.

[QUOTE=FM-Wilder Wastelander;954691]So pushing me without any reason was useful for town?
Great joke.[/QUOTE]

Early phase of the game nobody has any info and people are randomly voting etchother. That goes on until someone makes a real case against another person. I think I went at Gravity first and then went after you. After that RVS was broken and people were actually building trains and analyzing etchother.

Me pushing you was more about getting the game going than about you. If that makes sense. Sorry if it gave you a bad taste for this game going into it. Bastard games are kinda a mess to begin with.

Originally Posted by FM-Wilder Wastelander

So pushing me without any reason was useful for town?
Great joke.

Early phase of the game nobody has any info and people are randomly voting etchother. That goes on until someone makes a real case against another person. I think I went at Gravity first and then went after you. After that RVS was broken and people were actually building trains and analyzing etchother.

Me pushing you was more about getting the game going than about you. If that makes sense. Sorry if it gave you a bad taste for this game going into it. Bastard games are kinda a mess to begin with.

Anyways..

[VOTE]FM-Politico[/VOTE]

It really sucks replacing into a slot in their position. They may be blackmailed or may have just wanted to troll but if they are not going to contribute anything at all when they think they will be lynched I doubt they will do much with no pressure.

This is largely PoE / Policy for me.

Also, if Wilder is town they have one hell of a role and scum will probably come for them. If there really was only 1 shot and it came from Wilder I am not sure it verifies me as not the killer but I won't mind the nice safe prison cell. I will also reveal my ability failed to join a chat last night suggesting that the telephone item is probably the only existing non-factional chat so there may no longer be a point in me having any actions.

Bisecteds role really really does not look like a scum role to me. I guess crazy shit could exist in a bastard game but I am much less motivated to see their flip than I was yesterday.

Anyways..

-vote FM-Politico

It really sucks replacing into a slot in their position. They may be blackmailed or may have just wanted to troll but if they are not going to contribute anything at all when they think they will be lynched I doubt they will do much with no pressure.

This is largely PoE / Policy for me.

Also, if Wilder is town they have one hell of a role and scum will probably come for them. If there really was only 1 shot and it came from Wilder I am not sure it verifies me as not the killer but I won't mind the nice safe prison cell. I will also reveal my ability failed to join a chat last night suggesting that the telephone item is probably the only existing non-factional chat so there may no longer be a point in me having any actions.

Bisecteds role really really does not look like a scum role to me. I guess crazy shit could exist in a bastard game but I am much less motivated to see their flip than I was yesterday.

I should have been more clear there- The joining a chat and sending anon messages is all 1 thing. So because I wanted to join a chat I used it but I had nothing to say.

I should have been more clear there- The joining a chat and sending anon messages is all 1 thing. So because I wanted to join a chat I used it but I had nothing to say.

[QUOTE=FM-Wilder Wastelander;954683]Useful information will be revealing your role, for example. You lurking for others from d1, but said nothing about yourself. You have anonimous messages, we know. What else?[/QUOTE]

Well I revealed quite a bit. Gave my full role to 3 people. 2 of who are still alive and like 90% of it to the entire town. If you would like we can continue this talk tonight depending on how our BDSM session goes. But my main ability allows me to send 2 anon messages and join an existing chat. Part of why you don't understand my reads or why other people read me as they do.

This morning my anon message said nothing because I did jack shit that night and we had a full open night party chat. If it didn't have an open bar I may have been more productive : P

Originally Posted by FM-Wilder Wastelander

Useful information will be revealing your role, for example. You lurking for others from d1, but said nothing about yourself. You have anonimous messages, we know. What else?

Well I revealed quite a bit. Gave my full role to 3 people. 2 of who are still alive and like 90% of it to the entire town. If you would like we can continue this talk tonight depending on how our BDSM session goes. But my main ability allows me to send 2 anon messages and join an existing chat. Part of why you don't understand my reads or why other people read me as they do.

This morning my anon message said nothing because I did jack shit that night and we had a full open night party chat. If it didn't have an open bar I may have been more productive : P

[QUOTE=FM-Wilder Wastelander;954679]If you are town, you are very bad town, as I said d1. Or a very good scum. Nothing changed.[/QUOTE]

If it makes you feel better I kinda used you to break RVS D1. I took something that was not so much of an issue and made a big deal about it so the game could actually start.

Originally Posted by FM-Wilder Wastelander

If you are town, you are very bad town, as I said d1. Or a very good scum. Nothing changed.

If it makes you feel better I kinda used you to break RVS D1. I took something that was not so much of an issue and made a big deal about it so the game could actually start.

[QUOTE=FM-Wilder Wastelander;954679]That anonymous post gives no town effort. And author of that post can play any possible role, town or scum. And the main question you focused in now is about my probably Night Immunity. The ONLY thing you realy interested in. And one more reason to think you are scum. In a piggy bank that is overflowing.

If you are town, you are very bad town, as I said d1. Or a very good scum. Nothing changed.[/QUOTE]

I am just asking if you have night immunity. If you are town and have it then it suggests there were 2 kills done tonight. If you are town and you do not it means that the shot likely went to Gravity. Isnt that useful information?

You keep assuming I am just dead set on getting you lynched while I make arguments like this in my read wall:

[QUOTE]I am less sure their initial claim to be able to use a 1shot from one role but not the other was a slip though. I could see an item being a difference although usually when a 1 shot has been used people cant take that role and use it again as they seem to have with their claimed shot. Could be as simple as the host let them use it but it had no charge so it did nothing. Or maybe somehow they killed Gravity. I am not sure we can solve or make any progress on those questions today.[/QUOTE]

Why would I walk back thoughts I have that suggest you are scum if I was not actually trying to sort you?

Originally Posted by FM-Wilder Wastelander

That anonymous post gives no town effort. And author of that post can play any possible role, town or scum. And the main question you focused in now is about my probably Night Immunity. The ONLY thing you realy interested in. And one more reason to think you are scum. In a piggy bank that is overflowing.

If you are town, you are very bad town, as I said d1. Or a very good scum. Nothing changed.

I am just asking if you have night immunity. If you are town and have it then it suggests there were 2 kills done tonight. If you are town and you do not it means that the shot likely went to Gravity. Isnt that useful information?

You keep assuming I am just dead set on getting you lynched while I make arguments like this in my read wall:

I am less sure their initial claim to be able to use a 1shot from one role but not the other was a slip though. I could see an item being a difference although usually when a 1 shot has been used people cant take that role and use it again as they seem to have with their claimed shot. Could be as simple as the host let them use it but it had no charge so it did nothing. Or maybe somehow they killed Gravity. I am not sure we can solve or make any progress on those questions today.

Why would I walk back thoughts I have that suggest you are scum if I was not actually trying to sort you?

[QUOTE=FM-Wilder Wastelander;954674]Or Matrix voted Toons to give him mana. This is just a manipulation, nothing more.[/QUOTE]

Sure. Thats what we figured out D2. But read through that vote analysis with that in mind and tell me none of that held value going into D2.

Or if only results matter I think we have a crispy pile of ash D2 that was very likely not town to thank me for : P

Originally Posted by FM-Wilder Wastelander

Or Matrix voted Toons to give him mana. This is just a manipulation, nothing more.

Sure. Thats what we figured out D2. But read through that vote analysis with that in mind and tell me none of that held value going into D2.

Or if only results matter I think we have a crispy pile of ash D2 that was very likely not town to thank me for : P

[QUOTE=FM-Once Upon a Town;954672]And i'm already triggered... For the last fucking time : bisected outted them.[/QUOTE]
I don't think many people noticed that. But if it helps- Yes. They did and I saw it. Maybe I am wrong about that?

Atlantic did also just reveal they could multi-bus today which I feel should have been kept quiet about as well..

Originally Posted by FM-Once Upon a Town

And i'm already triggered... For the last fucking time : bisected outted them.

I don't think many people noticed that. But if it helps- Yes. They did and I saw it. Maybe I am wrong about that?

Atlantic did also just reveal they could multi-bus today which I feel should have been kept quiet about as well..

[QUOTE=FM-Bisected Souls;954669]charts and effort is NAI
ask Lag, our host if you dont believe me[/QUOTE]

Fair. But Wilders point has been that I have not made any town Effort. I pointed to that post because to go through every player and understand what their reads are, then track the lynch vote by vote and post thoughts of how the wagon looked is not exactly a low effort kinda rambling.

Originally Posted by FM-Bisected Souls

charts and effort is NAI
ask Lag, our host if you dont believe me

Fair. But Wilders point has been that I have not made any town Effort. I pointed to that post because to go through every player and understand what their reads are, then track the lynch vote by vote and post thoughts of how the wagon looked is not exactly a low effort kinda rambling.

[QUOTE=FM-Wilder Wastelander;954667]That is ALL his input to this game. Last Hope and Matrix looks good, you know? :)[/QUOTE]

You do understand- For wagonomics that is saying Matrix vote on Toons looked good because they were already voting Toons before there was a Train/Counter train. So the fact they did not swap over last minute did not reflect a wolf jumping on their buddy's train to avoid the negative optics of being on the wrong side..

Originally Posted by FM-Wilder Wastelander

That is ALL his input to this game. Last Hope and Matrix looks good, you know?

You do understand- For wagonomics that is saying Matrix vote on Toons looked good because they were already voting Toons before there was a Train/Counter train. So the fact they did not swap over last minute did not reflect a wolf jumping on their buddy's train to avoid the negative optics of being on the wrong side..

Anyways.. Heres that wall I finished just before coming back to this spicy situation.

Atlantic-
Still a strong town read. I did dislike how willing they have been to reveal themselves but I guess with their role its not like they could be targeted anyways. They have felt townie the entire game and I have shared information with them I think they would have used very differently if they were scum. Still just about lock town for me.

Last Hope-
I am still pretty comfortable with this slot. The positions they take feel well reasoned and their confidence level matches that reasoning. That and I actually get the vibe they are trying to understand the world around them. Like earlier they began to question if Politico could have gotten a false green check because Gravity was killed after mentioning their check could be fake and their reaction seeing a scum flip was not what they would expect from town. That sort of thing is just pretty clean reasoning and has had a consistent line of thought over the last few days. If they are scum might be some utility of role hunting or some such but I trust them enough its not worth considering today.

Once Upon a Time-
Small stuff looked good today. Like picking up on the S on Wilders role card claim. I don’t think that Wilder edited their card simply because it would be a silly thing to do with the claim they are making (Past alignment) but it felt like they are really hunting and potentially caught something. There is some healthy paranoia in their reads and they took quite a few positions that felt original in post 1782 but I did find it slightly odd there were not conclusions to go with them. Still town leaning them overall.

Bisected Souls-
Well their role makes absolutely zero sense for scum but their day play leaves me confused. Starting to wonder if they are just keeping up with the thread from their phone or something. A lot of things they do and miss make no sense but I am starting to think it could be NAI? Still have not gotten real reads or seen much real scum hunting here but the ability’s they have just do not make sense for scum.. What kind of evil role would keep dead players around so they can vote or interact? Scummy looking but mechanically unlikely to be scum? They are certainly not pushing an agenda so if scum maybe like a neutral benign?

Politico-
Came in with some troll posts I really got a kick out of. Some of them were so absurd I kinda felt like Gravity did a blackmail on them. It would totally make sense given their role was suspected going into N2 and the Anime stuff but they could equally just be having fun doing some RP off their name. I am still waiting to see if they end up pushing any content. Pretty null but I kinda question if they are going to participate if they are unwilling to when they are a strong lynch potential. I feel like I got to know Gravity a bit and even if he did blackmail Politico am I confident it would not be in a way that prevents them from communicating reads.

Wilder-
Im not even sure where to start here.
On the role claim they are basically saying they can swap their role to anything in the graveyard and use 1 night ability and 1 day ability. This effectively means every action in any card in the graveyard is what they can do. That’s a scary level of strong and I question if that amount of power fits for a town role.
I am less sure their initial claim to be able to use a 1shot from one role but not the other was a slip though. I could see an item being a difference although usually when a 1 shot has been used people cant take that role and use it again as they seem to have with their claimed shot. Could be as simple as the host let them use it but it had no charge so it did nothing. Or maybe somehow they killed Gravity. I am not sure we can solve or make any progress on those questions today.
I still don’t believe some of the things they say are built from reasoning. Saying I put in no effort might just be to troll me at best but there are lots of things they say past that I question along the same lines. Their hardcore focus on me and my mechanic and them saying the setup is broken makes me wonder if its just because they haven’t played a bastard game before but I also can’t ignore the survival focus and lack of hunting.
This is an issue though:
[QUOTE=FM-Wilder Wastelander;954287]I am 99,999999% sure Bisected Souls was not the killer.[/QUOTE] In reference to if Bisected killed Gravity. That feels out of place. If they thought they shot me and I was night immune why would they have any knowledge about who killed Gravity unless they know that they killed gravity?

All things considered I feel like we should give Wilder a little time just because if they are town they have an extremely useful role and I would expect scum would want them dead pretty fast.

Anyways.. Heres that wall I finished just before coming back to this spicy situation.

Atlantic-
Still a strong town read. I did dislike how willing they have been to reveal themselves but I guess with their role its not like they could be targeted anyways. They have felt townie the entire game and I have shared information with them I think they would have used very differently if they were scum. Still just about lock town for me.

Last Hope-
I am still pretty comfortable with this slot. The positions they take feel well reasoned and their confidence level matches that reasoning. That and I actually get the vibe they are trying to understand the world around them. Like earlier they began to question if Politico could have gotten a false green check because Gravity was killed after mentioning their check could be fake and their reaction seeing a scum flip was not what they would expect from town. That sort of thing is just pretty clean reasoning and has had a consistent line of thought over the last few days. If they are scum might be some utility of role hunting or some such but I trust them enough its not worth considering today.

Once Upon a Time-
Small stuff looked good today. Like picking up on the S on Wilders role card claim. I don’t think that Wilder edited their card simply because it would be a silly thing to do with the claim they are making (Past alignment) but it felt like they are really hunting and potentially caught something. There is some healthy paranoia in their reads and they took quite a few positions that felt original in post 1782 but I did find it slightly odd there were not conclusions to go with them. Still town leaning them overall.

Bisected Souls-
Well their role makes absolutely zero sense for scum but their day play leaves me confused. Starting to wonder if they are just keeping up with the thread from their phone or something. A lot of things they do and miss make no sense but I am starting to think it could be NAI? Still have not gotten real reads or seen much real scum hunting here but the ability’s they have just do not make sense for scum.. What kind of evil role would keep dead players around so they can vote or interact? Scummy looking but mechanically unlikely to be scum? They are certainly not pushing an agenda so if scum maybe like a neutral benign?

Politico-
Came in with some troll posts I really got a kick out of. Some of them were so absurd I kinda felt like Gravity did a blackmail on them. It would totally make sense given their role was suspected going into N2 and the Anime stuff but they could equally just be having fun doing some RP off their name. I am still waiting to see if they end up pushing any content. Pretty null but I kinda question if they are going to participate if they are unwilling to when they are a strong lynch potential. I feel like I got to know Gravity a bit and even if he did blackmail Politico am I confident it would not be in a way that prevents them from communicating reads.

Wilder-
Im not even sure where to start here.
On the role claim they are basically saying they can swap their role to anything in the graveyard and use 1 night ability and 1 day ability. This effectively means every action in any card in the graveyard is what they can do. That’s a scary level of strong and I question if that amount of power fits for a town role.
I am less sure their initial claim to be able to use a 1shot from one role but not the other was a slip though. I could see an item being a difference although usually when a 1 shot has been used people cant take that role and use it again as they seem to have with their claimed shot. Could be as simple as the host let them use it but it had no charge so it did nothing. Or maybe somehow they killed Gravity. I am not sure we can solve or make any progress on those questions today.
I still don’t believe some of the things they say are built from reasoning. Saying I put in no effort might just be to troll me at best but there are lots of things they say past that I question along the same lines. Their hardcore focus on me and my mechanic and them saying the setup is broken makes me wonder if its just because they haven’t played a bastard game before but I also can’t ignore the survival focus and lack of hunting.
This is an issue though:

Originally Posted by FM-Wilder Wastelander

I am 99,999999% sure Bisected Souls was not the killer.

In reference to if Bisected killed Gravity. That feels out of place. If they thought they shot me and I was night immune why would they have any knowledge about who killed Gravity unless they know that they killed gravity?

All things considered I feel like we should give Wilder a little time just because if they are town they have an extremely useful role and I would expect scum would want them dead pretty fast.

[QUOTE=FM-Wilder Wastelander;954659]So I can say there is NO ANY valuable input from Silent Night, and you have no counter arguments. That's what I said.[/QUOTE]
I feel like my D2 Anon post had quite a few. If you don't see value in any of the wagonomics compared to existing stated reads or charting out positions I am not sure you have the same idea of what holds value as other people.

Really though. Do you have any form of night immunity? Can you flatly say yes or no?

Originally Posted by FM-Wilder Wastelander

So I can say there is NO ANY valuable input from Silent Night, and you have no counter arguments. That's what I said.

I feel like my D2 Anon post had quite a few. If you don't see value in any of the wagonomics compared to existing stated reads or charting out positions I am not sure you have the same idea of what holds value as other people.

Really though. Do you have any form of night immunity? Can you flatly say yes or no?

[QUOTE=FM-Wilder Wastelander;954645]Because every "reasoning" you posting is just some kind of "feelings" based on... nothing. Noone gives any valuable reason.[/QUOTE]

Me and Atlantic have something special.

But before we get into that can we go back to the part where you shot me and I was bussed with you and you are not dead and the night immunity that you did not include with your role card?

Originally Posted by FM-Wilder Wastelander

Because every "reasoning" you posting is just some kind of "feelings" based on... nothing. Noone gives any valuable reason.

Me and Atlantic have something special.

But before we get into that can we go back to the part where you shot me and I was bussed with you and you are not dead and the night immunity that you did not include with your role card?