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[QUOTE=aamirus;867781][url]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6526420/[/url]

[MENTION=29730]Ganelon[/MENTION][/QUOTE]

[url]https://arxiv.org/pdf/1801.10544.pdf[/url]

It’s easy enough to find studies that support either narrative. I believe what many of the others here are trying to say is that it would probably be best if you sought sources from both sides and then decided what to believe. If you only look at right-leaning sources that’s the only side you’ll ever hear, and the same is true for the left.

Originally Posted by aamirus

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6526420/

@Ganelon

https://arxiv.org/pdf/1801.10544.pdf

It’s easy enough to find studies that support either narrative. I believe what many of the others here are trying to say is that it would probably be best if you sought sources from both sides and then decided what to believe. If you only look at right-leaning sources that’s the only side you’ll ever hear, and the same is true for the left.

[QUOTE=Ash;867776]Holy fucking shit. It's time to stop swallowing everything that Fox News gives you and it's time you actually research everything you hear rather than have your pants down and bending over for agenda-pushing media. They are literally shitting down your mouth with the propaganda machine.

To argue that genetics is the sole reason for IQ is extremely fucking racist, because you are largely ignoring the fact that African-Americans have been exploited economically and socially throughout their lives. You are ignoring the funding gap between non-white schools and white schools in the US. You are ignoring the economical struggle that African-Americans have had to go through since the abolishment of slavery, such as sharecropping, Jim Crow Laws and modern day [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer_Alley"]Cancer Alley[/URL].

Instead of listening to Peter Wankerson, Ben Shapiro or whatever you listen to, you should look into the [URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pygmalion_effect"]Pygmalion Effect[/URL]. Basically with better education and higher expectations of students, you could expect a higher IQ of those students. However because there is lower funding for non-white schools, the opposite effect takes place. The way funding works for American schools is actually counter-intuitive and doesn't improve on decreasing poverty and crime rates. It really has nothing to do with genetics. Race has nothing to do with intellectual genotype, race is better used to describe your physical phenotype.

On a side note it's actually really funny how Fox News and other Trump cum-gargling motherfuckers will use shitty scientific evidence to fuel racism. However when it comes to abortion, global warming, or vaccination, they will immediately discard all scientific evidence and rely on morality or some other bullshit.[/QUOTE]

Please don’t dip into personal attacks

Originally Posted by Ash

Holy fucking shit. It's time to stop swallowing everything that Fox News gives you and it's time you actually research everything you hear rather than have your pants down and bending over for agenda-pushing media. They are literally shitting down your mouth with the propaganda machine.

To argue that genetics is the sole reason for IQ is extremely fucking racist, because you are largely ignoring the fact that African-Americans have been exploited economically and socially throughout their lives. You are ignoring the funding gap between non-white schools and white schools in the US. You are ignoring the economical struggle that African-Americans have had to go through since the abolishment of slavery, such as sharecropping, Jim Crow Laws and modern day Cancer Alley.

Instead of listening to Peter Wankerson, Ben Shapiro or whatever you listen to, you should look into the Pygmalion Effect. Basically with better education and higher expectations of students, you could expect a higher IQ of those students. However because there is lower funding for non-white schools, the opposite effect takes place. The way funding works for American schools is actually counter-intuitive and doesn't improve on decreasing poverty and crime rates. It really has nothing to do with genetics. Race has nothing to do with intellectual genotype, race is better used to describe your physical phenotype.

On a side note it's actually really funny how Fox News and other Trump cum-gargling motherfuckers will use shitty scientific evidence to fuel racism. However when it comes to abortion, global warming, or vaccination, they will immediately discard all scientific evidence and rely on morality or some other bullshit.

Please don’t dip into personal attacks

[url]https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6526420/[/url]

[MENTION=29730]Ganelon[/MENTION]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6526420/

@Ganelon

[QUOTE=yzb25;867645]NO PICK A SIDE YOU FUCKING PUSSY[/QUOTE]

you guys laugh but it's not like you always have the choice to pick a side

Originally Posted by yzb25

NO PICK A SIDE YOU FUCKING PUSSY

you guys laugh but it's not like you always have the choice to pick a side

[QUOTE=Ganelon;867625]Science is not a democracy and public opinion does not determine facts. Facts ignore ideology.[/QUOTE]

Right, facts ignore ideology. Yet some people of any opposing ideologies will bullshit their studies to support their side. The only way for an individual to really tell truth from fiction is if you can objectively assess the quality of the study by yourself

Originally Posted by Ganelon

Science is not a democracy and public opinion does not determine facts. Facts ignore ideology.

Right, facts ignore ideology. Yet some people of any opposing ideologies will bullshit their studies to support their side. The only way for an individual to really tell truth from fiction is if you can objectively assess the quality of the study by yourself

[QUOTE=Ganelon;867588]Possibly, but interracial adoption studies seem to prove there is also a significant genetic component to IQ too. What you’re saying will be most influential during childhood (IQ has a .5 correlation with genetics then), but probably less so in adulthood (.8 correlation there).[/QUOTE]

your source is here:
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race,_Evolution,_and_Behavior[/url]

Feel free to read about its flaws if you care

Originally Posted by Ganelon

Possibly, but interracial adoption studies seem to prove there is also a significant genetic component to IQ too. What you’re saying will be most influential during childhood (IQ has a .5 correlation with genetics then), but probably less so in adulthood (.8 correlation there).

your source is here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race,_...,_and_Behavior

Feel free to read about its flaws if you care

[QUOTE=Frinckles;867576]You guys are crazy uwu[/QUOTE]

owo

Originally Posted by Frinckles

You guys are crazy uwu

owo

ganelon, you’re arguing that the average black person is poor because he’s stupid. I’d argue that he’s stupid because he’s poor. If you’re born into a ghetto your chances of having a good education are obviously going to be much lower than somebody born in a nice suburban town. Obviously, starting from the end of slavery where almost all black people were naturally going to be dirt poor, you can perhaps fathom why black people are on average poorer. I’d argue all the other stuff - education level, “IQ”, crime rate, wages... are naturally going to follow from being born poor. It’s not like it’s that easy to move up in economic class from your parents. People do it, but you can’t expect it to magically happen in just a few generations for millions of black people at once. Plus, Jim Crow laws were still in effect for a long time after slavery, making it pretty much impossible for a black person to have any significant upwards mobility.

ganelon, you’re arguing that the average black person is poor because he’s stupid. I’d argue that he’s stupid because he’s poor. If you’re born into a ghetto your chances of having a good education are obviously going to be much lower than somebody born in a nice suburban town. Obviously, starting from the end of slavery where almost all black people were naturally going to be dirt poor, you can perhaps fathom why black people are on average poorer. I’d argue all the other stuff - education level, “IQ”, crime rate, wages... are naturally going to follow from being born poor. It’s not like it’s that easy to move up in economic class from your parents. People do it, but you can’t expect it to magically happen in just a few generations for millions of black people at once. Plus, Jim Crow laws were still in effect for a long time after slavery, making it pretty much impossible for a black person to have any significant upwards mobility.

[QUOTE=Ganelon;867482]Personally I think that what needs to happen is, the left has to figure out when pushing for racial justice goes too far. I’d say that when you start blaming an entire ethnic group, and heavily prioritizing a disadvantaged once, you’ve gone too far.[/QUOTE]

how would you like them to achieve any kind of change?

Originally Posted by Ganelon

Personally I think that what needs to happen is, the left has to figure out when pushing for racial justice goes too far. I’d say that when you start blaming an entire ethnic group, and heavily prioritizing a disadvantaged once, you’ve gone too far.

how would you like them to achieve any kind of change?

i'm not black. I am 3/4 Pakistani and 1/4 Dutch. My mother is white-skinned and my father is brown, though they both grew up in the same place and went to the same schools. We are wealthy. Living in an interracial family makes it so hilariously obvious how racist the world is. Guess which parent gets "random checked" (forced to go through the Xray machine) every time?

I get that profiling is a thing, and may even have its own merits. We're talking about a guy with global entry (which requires an application and interview and shows up on all of their computers) though. Who travels frequently. With a 200k+ salary. Yet he gets treated similarly to somebody with a 20k salary.

It's just sad.

i'm not black. I am 3/4 Pakistani and 1/4 Dutch. My mother is white-skinned and my father is brown, though they both grew up in the same place and went to the same schools. We are wealthy. Living in an interracial family makes it so hilariously obvious how racist the world is. Guess which parent gets "random checked" (forced to go through the Xray machine) every time?

I get that profiling is a thing, and may even have its own merits. We're talking about a guy with global entry (which requires an application and interview and shows up on all of their computers) though. Who travels frequently. With a 200k+ salary. Yet he gets treated similarly to somebody with a 20k salary.

It's just sad.

[QUOTE=secondpassing;867472]I'm not quite sure if I offended you or anything, but I apologize if that was the case.[/QUOTE]

you probably misinterpreted my tone

Originally Posted by secondpassing

I'm not quite sure if I offended you or anything, but I apologize if that was the case.

you probably misinterpreted my tone

[QUOTE=secondpassing;867466]I think it would raise total public opinion.



I'm sure some Asians support the movement. And I don't have a statistic on how successful the movement has about garnering Asian support, but I found a video and tried to find those of Asian descent.
[SPOILER=My local protest][video=youtube;oVsGD0xHfbM]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVsGD0xHfbM[/video][/SPOILER]
I think I found one Indian at 0:10
Now granted the sample size is small, but the city I live in ([URL="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portland,_Oregon#Demographics"]Portland[/URL]) is estimated to have ~7% of Asian descent ~9.4% Latino (number is probably higher now) So in a crowd of 200ish people I should find 14 Asians.

I think every protest will have some property damage, I'm not denying that. But property damage from a group of people supporting a, at least at face value, a non-inclusive movement onto a different group has consequences on public opinion. It's anecdotal but a family member 1 of mine lived through the destruction of the four olds, forcing him to be a refugee. He finds it sad, but holds no grudge. An Asian movement for Asian people. Another family member of mine had a restaurant that sold fried rice near Koreatown. It was destroyed in 1992 riots. Guess what family member 1 tells me every so often?
Yeah. "Black people are dumb, lazy, and can't do anything for themselves."[/QUOTE]

Sadly, the percent chance to be a fucking moron is even throughout the human race. It's funny because the non-morons protesting about the morons results in the morons making the non-morons look like morons!. The media on each side wants to pander to their base so they highlight whichever set of morons aids their cause. All that being said, both EXTREME sides suck dick, does not make it any less true that 1 side has a lot less privilege than the other.

Originally Posted by secondpassing

I think it would raise total public opinion.



I'm sure some Asians support the movement. And I don't have a statistic on how successful the movement has about garnering Asian support, but I found a video and tried to find those of Asian descent.

Spoiler : My local protest :

I think I found one Indian at 0:10
Now granted the sample size is small, but the city I live in (Portland) is estimated to have ~7% of Asian descent ~9.4% Latino (number is probably higher now) So in a crowd of 200ish people I should find 14 Asians.

I think every protest will have some property damage, I'm not denying that. But property damage from a group of people supporting a, at least at face value, a non-inclusive movement onto a different group has consequences on public opinion. It's anecdotal but a family member 1 of mine lived through the destruction of the four olds, forcing him to be a refugee. He finds it sad, but holds no grudge. An Asian movement for Asian people. Another family member of mine had a restaurant that sold fried rice near Koreatown. It was destroyed in 1992 riots. Guess what family member 1 tells me every so often?
Yeah. "Black people are dumb, lazy, and can't do anything for themselves."

Sadly, the percent chance to be a fucking moron is even throughout the human race. It's funny because the non-morons protesting about the morons results in the morons making the non-morons look like morons!. The media on each side wants to pander to their base so they highlight whichever set of morons aids their cause. All that being said, both EXTREME sides suck dick, does not make it any less true that 1 side has a lot less privilege than the other.

[QUOTE=aamirus;867457]I had a long chat with a dude who legitimately believes all people with black skin are a separate species[/QUOTE]

when you ask him about interracial families he just has a meltdown about how disgusting he thinks that is

Originally Posted by aamirus

I had a long chat with a dude who legitimately believes all people with black skin are a separate species

when you ask him about interracial families he just has a meltdown about how disgusting he thinks that is

I had a long chat with a dude who legitimately believes all people with black skin are a separate species

I had a long chat with a dude who legitimately believes all people with black skin are a separate species

[QUOTE=theoneceko;867452]ME TOO!!!!
i like "advantage" a lot more. like if ur rich, u have an "advantage." uwu

bleh. asians (some,groups UwU) have an advantage and whites have an advantage, but it'snot like they don't havetheir own struggles... i'm likethe poorest asian ik lmao. so i'd be rly pissed if ppl called me privileged.

OWO[/QUOTE]

While some use that term to describe socioeconomic differences, the real meaning is the advantages/disadvantages of simply having a different skin color.

It’s undeniable that a shit ton of people are stupid and bigoted. Hence a person that looks different is naturally going to be at a general disadvantage in life.

I would argue that in the hierarchy of bigotry, they view blacks as the absolute lowest form of humanity, and generally hate less the closer a group is to white.

Originally Posted by theoneceko

ME TOO!!!!
i like "advantage" a lot more. like if ur rich, u have an "advantage." uwu

bleh. asians (some,groups UwU) have an advantage and whites have an advantage, but it'snot like they don't havetheir own struggles... i'm likethe poorest asian ik lmao. so i'd be rly pissed if ppl called me privileged.

OWO

While some use that term to describe socioeconomic differences, the real meaning is the advantages/disadvantages of simply having a different skin color.

It’s undeniable that a shit ton of people are stupid and bigoted. Hence a person that looks different is naturally going to be at a general disadvantage in life.

I would argue that in the hierarchy of bigotry, they view blacks as the absolute lowest form of humanity, and generally hate less the closer a group is to white.

[QUOTE=secondpassing;867417]Good point. It does make it more effective and catchy. Probably wouldn't have caught on otherwise.



Being Black while living in the States comes with its challenges, police and judge discrimination is also very hard to deal with. I don't disagree with that. I also didn't take offense at it, and I am allowed to say what I believe to be a more accurate statement. For context, I'm of Asian descent and have had people follow me around in stores and whilst at work, though likely not to the degree of scrutiny a black person would have in many neighborhoods.

What I said is also true though. The word choice in Black Lives Matter has not won the support of the Asian community. This is likely also because some movements mainly for Black equality have lead to the destruction of Asian property.[/QUOTE]

why should the movement need to be about or include all minorities?

Originally Posted by secondpassing

Good point. It does make it more effective and catchy. Probably wouldn't have caught on otherwise.



Being Black while living in the States comes with its challenges, police and judge discrimination is also very hard to deal with. I don't disagree with that. I also didn't take offense at it, and I am allowed to say what I believe to be a more accurate statement. For context, I'm of Asian descent and have had people follow me around in stores and whilst at work, though likely not to the degree of scrutiny a black person would have in many neighborhoods.

What I said is also true though. The word choice in Black Lives Matter has not won the support of the Asian community. This is likely also because some movements mainly for Black equality have lead to the destruction of Asian property.

why should the movement need to be about or include all minorities?

[QUOTE=Ganelon;867358]And yet I’m the sexist one lmao[/QUOTE]

wut

Originally Posted by Ganelon

And yet I’m the sexist one lmao

wut

[QUOTE=secondpassing;867231]People matter. Be nice everyone.[/QUOTE]

Sure. Not the point of banana's post though.

Originally Posted by secondpassing

People matter. Be nice everyone.

Sure. Not the point of banana's post though.