September 29th, 2020, 10:30 PM
[QUOTE=Voss;892863]Trump told the Proud Boys to "Stand back and stand by" in the debates today. Not stand down, but stand BY.
But here on sc2mafia we still wonder why people think the Republican Party is the party of the white supremacists.
Just in case you don't know who the Proud Boys are
[url]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys[/url][/QUOTE]
[url]https://mobile.twitter.com/thehill/status/1311168970876125184[/url]
Originally Posted by
Voss
Trump told the Proud Boys to "Stand back and stand by" in the debates today. Not stand down, but stand BY.
But here on sc2mafia we still wonder why people think the Republican Party is the party of the white supremacists.
Just in case you don't know who the Proud Boys are
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys
https://mobile.twitter.com/thehill/s...68970876125184
September 25th, 2020, 06:49 PM
[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;890886]Btw banana, do you disagree with my point that nazis are extreme right (not [I]far[/I], [I]extreme[/I] right) socially, but not economically because it doesn't apply? If so, why? Because you kinda just said "they're far right" after I posted :p[/QUOTE]
Far right
Extreme right
Right wing
Semantics dude
Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
Btw banana, do you disagree with my point that nazis are extreme right (not
far,
extreme right) socially, but not economically because it doesn't apply? If so, why? Because you kinda just said "they're far right" after I posted
Far right
Extreme right
Right wing
Semantics dude
September 25th, 2020, 09:53 AM
[QUOTE=Oberon;890446]If you’re going to keep saying that, I will just keep repeating myself, you know that, right? :)[/QUOTE]
Right, facts don't matter to you.
Originally Posted by
Oberon
If you’re going to keep saying that, I will just keep repeating myself, you know that, right?
Right, facts don't matter to you.
September 24th, 2020, 07:39 PM
[QUOTE=Oberon;889872]I said the Nazis are hard to classify, you then state they are extreme authoritarians. Where is the disagreement?[/QUOTE]
They are far right.
Originally Posted by
Oberon
I said the Nazis are hard to classify, you then state they are extreme authoritarians. Where is the disagreement?
They are far right.
September 24th, 2020, 03:46 PM
[QUOTE=Oberon;889825]I think the only thing that will happen if Biden gets elected is that I’ll feel even more sorry for Biden. I don’t think Biden should be in that race at all; he’s senile and lost. I can’t understand why he got nominated lol. I feel bad for him honestly.[/QUOTE]
Instead of responding to this, you should respond to the push backs against your false claim that "nazi's aren't far right"
You can't make a false claim and then ignore when your claim is refuted
Originally Posted by
Oberon
I think the only thing that will happen if Biden gets elected is that I’ll feel even more sorry for Biden. I don’t think Biden should be in that race at all; he’s senile and lost. I can’t understand why he got nominated lol. I feel bad for him honestly.
Instead of responding to this, you should respond to the push backs against your false claim that "nazi's aren't far right"
You can't make a false claim and then ignore when your claim is refuted
September 24th, 2020, 02:53 PM
[QUOTE=Frinckles;889805]I see, thank you.
The extreme polarity of the political climate lately is ridiculous. I dislike when people conflate the most radical ends of the political spectrum with the other. Not all leftists are communist.[/QUOTE]
What? But everyone I talk to has convinced me that right-of-center Biden is a hardcore socialist and that if elected we will become Venezuela
Originally Posted by
Frinckles
I see, thank you.
The extreme polarity of the political climate lately is ridiculous. I dislike when people conflate the most radical ends of the political spectrum with the other. Not all leftists are communist.
What? But everyone I talk to has convinced me that right-of-center Biden is a hardcore socialist and that if elected we will become Venezuela
September 24th, 2020, 02:45 PM
[QUOTE=Frinckles;889801]Can I get some context? I wasn't sure if you meant Trump or someone in 1940s European history.[/QUOTE]
Yeah he's referring to Trump, who said that there were good people on both sides of Charlottesville
I will concede that Trump didn't say specifically "nazis are good people", but considering that the "Unite the [B]RIGHT[/B]" rally (emphasis added for those who are still confused as to which end of the political spectrum nazis fall) was organized by white supremacists and neo nazis, the President saying that there are good people mixed in there was bad optics
Which I argued already in a different thread, as to why people conflate the far right with nazis, given that nazis are far right... wheeee here we go in circles
Originally Posted by
Frinckles
Can I get some context? I wasn't sure if you meant Trump or someone in 1940s European history.
Yeah he's referring to Trump, who said that there were good people on both sides of Charlottesville
I will concede that Trump didn't say specifically "nazis are good people", but considering that the "Unite the RIGHT" rally (emphasis added for those who are still confused as to which end of the political spectrum nazis fall) was organized by white supremacists and neo nazis, the President saying that there are good people mixed in there was bad optics
Which I argued already in a different thread, as to why people conflate the far right with nazis, given that nazis are far right... wheeee here we go in circles
September 24th, 2020, 02:31 PM
[IMG]https://media1.tenor.com/images/1bf906f1d7b433f8ed538f5ed00cb22e/tenor.gif[/IMG]
September 24th, 2020, 02:18 PM
[QUOTE=Oberon;889795]In my opinion, if anyone is far right, it’s the libertarian party in America. The nutcases in that party want to abolish the government[/QUOTE]
More than one group of people can be right wing
Nazis are far right.
Originally Posted by
Oberon
In my opinion, if anyone is far right, it’s the libertarian party in America. The nutcases in that party want to abolish the government
More than one group of people can be right wing
Nazis are far right.
September 24th, 2020, 02:15 PM
[QUOTE=Oberon;889792]I think the Nazis aren’t necessarily far right, and I think they are hard to classify as one or the other. Hitler himself stated national socialism was Marxism married to bourgeois ideology (so a weird mixture). I treat fascism as a separate entity because Mussolini’s Italy seems to have been less authoritarian than Nazism, which makes me wonder if Italian fascism was totalitarian at all or just a classical autocracy. There were no death camps, to my knowledge, in Italy, like in Germany or the Soviet Union.[/QUOTE]
Nazis are far right. This is not disputable.
Originally Posted by
Oberon
I think the Nazis aren’t necessarily far right, and I think they are hard to classify as one or the other. Hitler himself stated national socialism was Marxism married to bourgeois ideology (so a weird mixture). I treat fascism as a separate entity because Mussolini’s Italy seems to have been less authoritarian than Nazism, which makes me wonder if Italian fascism was totalitarian at all or just a classical autocracy. There were no death camps, to my knowledge, in Italy, like in Germany or the Soviet Union.
Nazis are far right. This is not disputable.
September 24th, 2020, 10:58 AM
[QUOTE=Plotato;889784]The US is a third world country.
Sitting in his bedroom of his parents white suburban home, "The US is a 3rd world country" he typed on a computer his parents bought, the comment sent using the internet his parents pay for while his mom was cooking him chicken tendies.
his mom walks in, disgusted
“Gerald please, you’re 26 years old. When are you going to find a job, or a girlfriend, or anyone to talk to that isn’t online?”
“shut up mom im starting a political revolution!!!” he cries out.[/QUOTE]
What's that? A tasty snack
You don't want to go around and eat a snack like that
Greedy, to eat all that
You'll end up with your teeth all grey
You see, the body is like a special house
With blood, hair and organs in the different rooms
Oh look, there's Mr. Bladder there in the basement, ha, ha
Now food comes in through the chimney, mouth
And goes from room to room greeting the different organs
Now, the good healthy food is very nice and polite to the organs
And so, is invited to stay
For the party
Yaaay
But the bad, not healthy food
Are very rude and must leave through the cat flap
What's that? a tasty snack
You don't want to go around and eat a snack like that
Greedy to eat all of that
You'll end up with your gums all grey
The food groups can easily be sorted using the simple health shape
Choosing normal plain looking foods
Such as bread, cream, white sause and aspic
Keep the body ticking over just nicely
Isn't that right?
But wait!
What's this?
Fancy, show offy foods like
Cooked meats, fruit salad, soil food, and yolk
These foods will clog up the body
With unnecessary detail
Oh no! Look, It's all broken and on the floor
Everything tastes great
Maybe we should wait
Before we put it on the plate
Or it could be too late
What's that? A pizza slice
But you're better off with plain white sause
What's that? Plain white sause
Plain white sauce makes your teeth go grey
Doesn't matter, just throw it away
Why not try something else on your tray
Oh what's that? A lovely pie
But you're going to end up sad inside
But everyone has their teeth go grey
Just eat yeast and it'll go away
But how much have you had today?
Too much yeast makes your teeth go grey
How about some onion paste?
Looks like fun have a taste
That wasn't onion paste
You shouldn't eat food a strangers plate
Originally Posted by
Plotato
The US is a third world country.
Sitting in his bedroom of his parents white suburban home, "The US is a 3rd world country" he typed on a computer his parents bought, the comment sent using the internet his parents pay for while his mom was cooking him chicken tendies.
his mom walks in, disgusted
“Gerald please, you’re 26 years old. When are you going to find a job, or a girlfriend, or anyone to talk to that isn’t online?”
“shut up mom im starting a political revolution!!!” he cries out.
What's that? A tasty snack
You don't want to go around and eat a snack like that
Greedy, to eat all that
You'll end up with your teeth all grey
You see, the body is like a special house
With blood, hair and organs in the different rooms
Oh look, there's Mr. Bladder there in the basement, ha, ha
Now food comes in through the chimney, mouth
And goes from room to room greeting the different organs
Now, the good healthy food is very nice and polite to the organs
And so, is invited to stay
For the party
Yaaay
But the bad, not healthy food
Are very rude and must leave through the cat flap
What's that? a tasty snack
You don't want to go around and eat a snack like that
Greedy to eat all of that
You'll end up with your gums all grey
The food groups can easily be sorted using the simple health shape
Choosing normal plain looking foods
Such as bread, cream, white sause and aspic
Keep the body ticking over just nicely
Isn't that right?
But wait!
What's this?
Fancy, show offy foods like
Cooked meats, fruit salad, soil food, and yolk
These foods will clog up the body
With unnecessary detail
Oh no! Look, It's all broken and on the floor
Everything tastes great
Maybe we should wait
Before we put it on the plate
Or it could be too late
What's that? A pizza slice
But you're better off with plain white sause
What's that? Plain white sause
Plain white sauce makes your teeth go grey
Doesn't matter, just throw it away
Why not try something else on your tray
Oh what's that? A lovely pie
But you're going to end up sad inside
But everyone has their teeth go grey
Just eat yeast and it'll go away
But how much have you had today?
Too much yeast makes your teeth go grey
How about some onion paste?
Looks like fun have a taste
That wasn't onion paste
You shouldn't eat food a strangers plate
September 23rd, 2020, 11:19 AM
Now you can see the importance of time
It helps us make pizza
It keeps things in line
But when did it start?
And when will it stop?
Time is important, and I am a clock
Now you can see the importance of time
It helps us make pizza
It keeps things in line
But when did it start?
And when will it stop?
Time is important, and I am a clock
June 21st, 2020, 12:33 AM
[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;869284]I did not quote you ;)[/QUOTE]
Yes I know :)
Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
I did not quote you ;)
Yes I know
June 20th, 2020, 11:26 PM
[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;869282]I think believing humans are the best thing existing in the world and not being ready to accept anything stronger, personified or not, is symptomatic of overly developed pride :][/QUOTE]
Hey now. I wouldn't rule out intelligent life out there that is more advanced than us. Just not "god" like lol
Originally Posted by
Marshmallow Marshall
I think believing humans are the best thing existing in the world and not being ready to accept anything stronger, personified or not, is symptomatic of overly developed pride :]
Hey now. I wouldn't rule out intelligent life out there that is more advanced than us. Just not "god" like lol
June 20th, 2020, 02:22 PM
[QUOTE=theoneceko;869266]REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
WHYDDON'T U TELL ME WTF OMG [COLOR="#FFFFFF"]UWU OWO[/COLOR] [COLOR="#FFFFFF"][I]*[B]NUZZZLES[/B]X3*[/I][/COLOR]
LIKEKEIE I WON'T BASH U FOR UR RELGION, IMJUST VEREYY CU[COLOR="#FFFFFF"]UWU[/COLOR]RIOUS!!!!
[COLOR="#FFFFFF"]UvU[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
Its probably Jehovahs Witness or Scientology
Originally Posted by
theoneceko
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
WHYDDON'T U TELL ME WTF OMG UWU OWO *NUZZZLESX3*
LIKEKEIE I WON'T BASH U FOR UR RELGION, IMJUST VEREYY CUUWURIOUS!!!!
UvU
Its probably Jehovahs Witness or Scientology
June 20th, 2020, 12:23 PM
[QUOTE=Ganelon;869259]That sounds intense as fuck lol
Also, being forced to pay a tithing is a no-no for me.[/QUOTE]
Ask any mormon, they'll explain that they aren't forced. They just can't hold a temple recommend and receive the blessings of the temple without paying it. You know, such blessings such as eternal life and exaltation. Lmao.
Originally Posted by
Ganelon
That sounds intense as fuck lol
Also, being forced to pay a tithing is a no-no for me.
Ask any mormon, they'll explain that they aren't forced. They just can't hold a temple recommend and receive the blessings of the temple without paying it. You know, such blessings such as eternal life and exaltation. Lmao.
June 20th, 2020, 12:05 PM
[QUOTE=oops_ur_dead;869257]o shit nvm thats cringe lmao[/QUOTE]
You're telling me lol
Originally Posted by
oops_ur_dead
o shit nvm thats cringe lmao
You're telling me lol
June 20th, 2020, 11:40 AM
[QUOTE=Frinckles;869251]This sounds more agnostic than atheistic, if I'm being honest.[/QUOTE]
Once again, atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive.
[QUOTE=BananaCucho;869122]Maybe a visual will help?
[IMG]https://www.atheistrepublic.com/sites/default/files/styles/blog-featured-image/public/Atheism-vs-Agnosticism.jpg?itok=AsIOTNU4[/IMG][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=BananaCucho;869130]I don't believe in anything. Yes, I fall into more of the agnostic atheist category - maybe a supreme being exists. I don't think one does, but hey I may be wrong.
But if one exists, its definitely unknown to us and is not any of the gods that I've heard of. I reject the idea of god as we humans understand and that earthly religions preach of. That makes me atheist. It's such a broad label - but that's basically what it is, a label. Not a religion, not a belief.[/QUOTE]
Originally Posted by
Frinckles
This sounds more agnostic than atheistic, if I'm being honest.
Once again, atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive.
Originally Posted by
BananaCucho
Maybe a visual will help?
Originally Posted by
BananaCucho
I don't believe in anything. Yes, I fall into more of the agnostic atheist category - maybe a supreme being exists. I don't think one does, but hey I may be wrong.
But if one exists, its definitely unknown to us and is not any of the gods that I've heard of. I reject the idea of god as we humans understand and that earthly religions preach of. That makes me atheist. It's such a broad label - but that's basically what it is, a label. Not a religion, not a belief.
June 20th, 2020, 11:36 AM
[QUOTE=oops_ur_dead;869250]ok actually that's pretty dope wtf. how do i become a mormon?[/QUOTE]
Its a lot. Its every day. A way of life. Every part of your identity. In the temples mormons make this covenant:
"You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion. "
You have tons of rules, like no alcohol, tobacco, tea, drugs, etc. Strict chastity laws. Like no sex before or outside of marriage, no porn, no masturbating. Attend church every sunday. Pay 10% of your income in tithing.
You'll be given a "calling". This could be something as simple as teaching a class on Sundays to as involved as a scout leader taking kids on camps all the time, or as involved as a bishop (local leader of a congregation), or a stake president (leader of multiple congregations). Your calling will take up many hours of your time during the week, not just on Sunday.
You are expected to help convert people. Share the gospel with everyone. Invite them to church. Ever meet a mormon? They will share their faith with you, try to teach you, try to hook you and bring you to church and church activities. They are relentless. And its because its expected of them, not because they care about your wellbeing, "every member a missionary"
Its exhausting.
Originally Posted by
oops_ur_dead
ok actually that's pretty dope wtf. how do i become a mormon?
Its a lot. Its every day. A way of life. Every part of your identity. In the temples mormons make this covenant:
"You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion. "
You have tons of rules, like no alcohol, tobacco, tea, drugs, etc. Strict chastity laws. Like no sex before or outside of marriage, no porn, no masturbating. Attend church every sunday. Pay 10% of your income in tithing.
You'll be given a "calling". This could be something as simple as teaching a class on Sundays to as involved as a scout leader taking kids on camps all the time, or as involved as a bishop (local leader of a congregation), or a stake president (leader of multiple congregations). Your calling will take up many hours of your time during the week, not just on Sunday.
You are expected to help convert people. Share the gospel with everyone. Invite them to church. Ever meet a mormon? They will share their faith with you, try to teach you, try to hook you and bring you to church and church activities. They are relentless. And its because its expected of them, not because they care about your wellbeing, "every member a missionary"
Its exhausting.
June 20th, 2020, 11:15 AM
[QUOTE=Frinckles;869245]Rationalism is neat but it's hardly the answer to everything.[/QUOTE]
But here's the neat thing. I don't have the desire to have the answer to everything anymore. Religion, faith tries to give you that. "Here's the answers to the deep thought out questions that you have such as 'where do I go after I die?' and 'are my departed loved ones out there somewhere' and 'what is the meaning of life'?"
Now I see it as "I won't know the answer to these things in my lifetime. Its out of my control." And I'm okay with that. This is very likely the only life I ever get to live, so I'm going to try to live it to the fullest.
Originally Posted by
Frinckles
Rationalism is neat but it's hardly the answer to everything.
But here's the neat thing. I don't have the desire to have the answer to everything anymore. Religion, faith tries to give you that. "Here's the answers to the deep thought out questions that you have such as 'where do I go after I die?' and 'are my departed loved ones out there somewhere' and 'what is the meaning of life'?"
Now I see it as "I won't know the answer to these things in my lifetime. Its out of my control." And I'm okay with that. This is very likely the only life I ever get to live, so I'm going to try to live it to the fullest.
June 20th, 2020, 11:10 AM
I'll admit my views are heavily influenced by my departure from mormonism in 2015. I was a devout mormon for 25 years and after investigating my faith and seeing how I was manipulated and controlled by a con man and his successors and that all the evidence was there that the book of mormon was false I couldn't latch on to any other religion or faith. Eventually I have up on the idea of god completely. What makes the bible the word of god? Other than other people saying it is so? I see parallels in people's faith and beliefs and testimony in those of everyone I know who is mormon.
I'll admit my views are heavily influenced by my departure from mormonism in 2015. I was a devout mormon for 25 years and after investigating my faith and seeing how I was manipulated and controlled by a con man and his successors and that all the evidence was there that the book of mormon was false I couldn't latch on to any other religion or faith. Eventually I have up on the idea of god completely. What makes the bible the word of god? Other than other people saying it is so? I see parallels in people's faith and beliefs and testimony in those of everyone I know who is mormon.
June 20th, 2020, 11:00 AM
Its so much more rational imo that man created god as a way to explain how the universe exists and to give comfort to people about what happens after death than a supreme being always existing and then creating man. And then demanding they worship him.
Its so much more rational imo that man created god as a way to explain how the universe exists and to give comfort to people about what happens after death than a supreme being always existing and then creating man. And then demanding they worship him.
June 20th, 2020, 10:44 AM
[QUOTE=oops_ur_dead;869227]I think believing in god is cringe because you're literally admitting that there is someone better than you and that you'll never reach that level, which is beta as FUCK.[/QUOTE]
lol mormons believe that god was once a man on a planet, eventually reached godhood, and that they can become gods too. No I'm not making that up.
Originally Posted by
oops_ur_dead
I think believing in god is cringe because you're literally admitting that there is someone better than you and that you'll never reach that level, which is beta as FUCK.
lol mormons believe that god was once a man on a planet, eventually reached godhood, and that they can become gods too. No I'm not making that up.
June 19th, 2020, 11:36 PM
You're right. He don't float in the sky. He lives on the planet Kolob. And one day you'll make planets like him. If you're baptized mormon, get your endowment, and marry in the temple that is.
You're right. He don't float in the sky. He lives on the planet Kolob. And one day you'll make planets like him. If you're baptized mormon, get your endowment, and marry in the temple that is.
June 19th, 2020, 10:59 PM
Fuck, You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to aamirus again.
Fuck, You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to aamirus again.
June 19th, 2020, 06:22 PM
[QUOTE=Frinckles;869169]A potentially interesting political conversation is now about semantics. Smh[/QUOTE]
Claiming that atheism is a religion isn't just an argument about semantics lol
Originally Posted by
Frinckles
A potentially interesting political conversation is now about semantics. Smh
Claiming that atheism is a religion isn't just an argument about semantics lol
June 19th, 2020, 02:26 PM
June 19th, 2020, 12:29 PM
[QUOTE=secondpassing;869148]Yeah, the axis that points up is the neutral stance.[/QUOTE]
Right, so we're in agreement. Kinda. I think.
Originally Posted by
secondpassing
Yeah, the axis that points up is the neutral stance.
Right, so we're in agreement. Kinda. I think.
June 19th, 2020, 12:27 PM
[QUOTE=secondpassing;869144]Let's say there may or may not be a criminal.
Atheist: there is no criminal, no evidence points to a crime/evidence points to no crime
Agnostic Atheist: probably there is no criminal, I don't know if there is enough evidence
Agnostic: I don't know whether or not a crime happened, I don't know if there is enough evidence/there might be evidence but it doesn't point either which way, maybe there is a criminal <- neutral
Agnostic Theist: probably there is a criminal, I don't know if there is enough evidence
Theist: there is a criminal, the evidence is incriminating[/QUOTE]
Also, imma refer you to this:
[QUOTE=BananaCucho;869122]Maybe a visual will help?
[IMG]https://www.atheistrepublic.com/sites/default/files/styles/blog-featured-image/public/Atheism-vs-Agnosticism.jpg?itok=AsIOTNU4[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Originally Posted by
secondpassing
Let's say there may or may not be a criminal.
Atheist: there is no criminal, no evidence points to a crime/evidence points to no crime
Agnostic Atheist: probably there is no criminal, I don't know if there is enough evidence
Agnostic: I don't know whether or not a crime happened, I don't know if there is enough evidence/there might be evidence but it doesn't point either which way, maybe there is a criminal <- neutral
Agnostic Theist: probably there is a criminal, I don't know if there is enough evidence
Theist: there is a criminal, the evidence is incriminating
Also, imma refer you to this:
Originally Posted by
BananaCucho
Maybe a visual will help?
June 19th, 2020, 12:25 PM
You can't post the definition of atheism that states "does not believe" and then try to turn that into "believe" somehow lol
You can't post the definition of atheism that states "does not believe" and then try to turn that into "believe" somehow lol
June 19th, 2020, 12:24 PM
[QUOTE=secondpassing;869144]Let's say there may or may not be a criminal.
Atheist: there is no criminal, no evidence points to a crime/evidence points to no crime
Agnostic Atheist: probably there is no criminal, I don't know if there is enough evidence
Agnostic: I don't know whether or not a crime happened, I don't know if there is enough evidence/there might be evidence but it doesn't point either which way, maybe there is a criminal <- neutral
Agnostic Theist: probably there is a criminal, I don't know if there is enough evidence
Theist: there is a criminal, the evidence is incriminating[/QUOTE]
[FONT=Lato]nonbelief | \ ˌnn-bə-ˈlēf [URL="https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/nonbelief?pronunciation&lang=en_us&dir=n&file=nonbelief_1"]
[/URL][/FONT]
[FONT=Lato][B]Definition of [I]nonbelief[/I][/B]
[FONT=inherit][B]: [/B][/FONT]absence or lack of belief
Something can't be the lack of itself :toadette:
[/FONT]
Originally Posted by
secondpassing
Let's say there may or may not be a criminal.
Atheist: there is no criminal, no evidence points to a crime/evidence points to no crime
Agnostic Atheist: probably there is no criminal, I don't know if there is enough evidence
Agnostic: I don't know whether or not a crime happened, I don't know if there is enough evidence/there might be evidence but it doesn't point either which way, maybe there is a criminal <- neutral
Agnostic Theist: probably there is a criminal, I don't know if there is enough evidence
Theist: there is a criminal, the evidence is incriminating
nonbelief | \ ˌnn-bə-ˈlēf
Definition of nonbelief
: absence or lack of belief
Something can't be the lack of itself
June 19th, 2020, 12:14 PM
[QUOTE=Ganelon;869137]If you want to know what my idea of God is:
[URL]https://highexistence.com/the-last-answer-short-story/[/URL]
That’s pretty close to what I think god would be.[/QUOTE]
I did try to read it. Kinda got bored once the voice explained that it chose the guy to exist in the afterlife.
Originally Posted by
Ganelon
I did try to read it. Kinda got bored once the voice explained that it chose the guy to exist in the afterlife.
June 19th, 2020, 12:12 PM
[QUOTE=secondpassing;869139][COLOR=#FFFFFF]agnostic [/COLOR]| \ ag-ˈn-stik , əg- \
Definition of agnostic (Entry 1 of 2)
1: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (such as God) is unknown and probably unknowable
broadly : one who is [U]not committed to believing[/U] in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2: a person who is [U]unwilling to commit to an opinion[/U] about something
political agnostics
[COLOR=#FFFFFF]atheist [/COLOR]| \ ˈā-thē-ist \
Definition of atheist
: a person who does [B][U]not believe in the existence[/U][/B] of a god or any gods : one who subscribes to or advocates atheism
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An agnostic who is neither a theist or an atheist would be a true neutral.[/QUOTE]
Non belief is not the same as belief lol.
Originally Posted by
secondpassing
agnostic | \ ag-ˈn-stik , əg- \
Definition of agnostic (Entry 1 of 2)
1: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (such as God) is unknown and probably unknowable
broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
2: a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something
political agnostics
atheist | \ ˈā-thē-ist \
Definition of atheist
: a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods : one who subscribes to or advocates atheism
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An agnostic who is neither a theist or an atheist would be a true neutral.
Non belief is not the same as belief lol.
June 19th, 2020, 12:02 PM
[QUOTE=naz;869134]idk have u looked at the wiki page for atheism?
also maybe we wanna discuss >;3
don't be a party pooper!![/QUOTE]
Is there something from the wiki page for atheism that you would like to discuss? :)
Originally Posted by
naz
idk have u looked at the wiki page for atheism?
also maybe we wanna discuss >;3
don't be a party pooper!!
Is there something from the wiki page for atheism that you would like to discuss?
June 19th, 2020, 11:52 AM
[QUOTE=Ganelon;869129]I guess I should clarify.
You can lack belief in God by not being sure of by not caring whether God exists. But, if you actively reject belief in God, hows that different from believing that God doesn’t exist?[/QUOTE]
I actively reject a supreme being as presented to me by the many religions of the world. That's way different from considering that maybe a god of some type could exist. I agree that there's no way to prove that.
Originally Posted by
Ganelon
I guess I should clarify.
You can lack belief in God by not being sure of by not caring whether God exists. But, if you actively reject belief in God, hows that different from believing that God doesn’t exist?
I actively reject a supreme being as presented to me by the many religions of the world. That's way different from considering that maybe a god of some type could exist. I agree that there's no way to prove that.
June 19th, 2020, 11:50 AM
[QUOTE=Ganelon;869127]I’m confused. How can you lack belief in God without automatically believing God doesn’t exist?[/QUOTE]
I don't believe in anything. Yes, I fall into more of the agnostic atheist category - maybe a supreme being exists. I don't think one does, but hey I may be wrong.
But if one exists, its definitely unknown to us and is not any of the gods that I've heard of. I reject the idea of god as we humans understand and that earthly religions preach of. That makes me atheist. It's such a broad label - but that's basically what it is, a label. Not a religion, not a belief.
Originally Posted by
Ganelon
I’m confused. How can you lack belief in God without automatically believing God doesn’t exist?
I don't believe in anything. Yes, I fall into more of the agnostic atheist category - maybe a supreme being exists. I don't think one does, but hey I may be wrong.
But if one exists, its definitely unknown to us and is not any of the gods that I've heard of. I reject the idea of god as we humans understand and that earthly religions preach of. That makes me atheist. It's such a broad label - but that's basically what it is, a label. Not a religion, not a belief.
June 19th, 2020, 11:41 AM
[QUOTE=Ganelon;869126]Fair enough I got the idea, it just seems to be that label should be reserved for people who think the question whether God exists isn’t relevant.[/QUOTE]
Why?
Originally Posted by
Ganelon
Fair enough I got the idea, it just seems to be that label should be reserved for people who think the question whether God exists isn’t relevant.
Why?
June 19th, 2020, 11:38 AM
[QUOTE=Ganelon;869121]Well then sorry, I dont think its a religion but it does imply belief.[/QUOTE]
No it doesn't. It's lack of belief in god.
Originally Posted by
Ganelon
Well then sorry, I dont think its a religion but it does imply belief.
No it doesn't. It's lack of belief in god.
June 19th, 2020, 11:37 AM
Maybe a visual will help?
[IMG]https://www.atheistrepublic.com/sites/default/files/styles/blog-featured-image/public/Atheism-vs-Agnosticism.jpg?itok=AsIOTNU4[/IMG]
Maybe a visual will help?
June 19th, 2020, 11:35 AM
[QUOTE=Ganelon;869111]lack of belief would agnosticism. You have to believe that God doesn’t exist, you can’t know that. What you described is not caring if god exists.[/QUOTE]
Again, wrong. Agnosticism is that the existence of god is unknown - IT IS NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE TO ATHEISM
You can be an agnostic atheist. Or a gnostic atheist.
smh.
Originally Posted by
Ganelon
lack of belief would agnosticism. You have to believe that God doesn’t exist, you can’t know that. What you described is not caring if god exists.
Again, wrong. Agnosticism is that the existence of god is unknown - IT IS NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE TO ATHEISM
You can be an agnostic atheist. Or a gnostic atheist.
smh.
June 19th, 2020, 11:32 AM
[QUOTE=Ganelon;869118]I didn’t say it was a religion. I said it implies belief in the non existence of God.[/QUOTE]
naz said atheism is a religion, I pushed back and said it's not and that she doesn't understand atheism, you pushed back and brought belief into it
You could have just agreed with me instead lol
Originally Posted by
Ganelon
I didn’t say it was a religion. I said it implies belief in the non existence of God.
naz said atheism is a religion, I pushed back and said it's not and that she doesn't understand atheism, you pushed back and brought belief into it
You could have just agreed with me instead lol
June 19th, 2020, 11:30 AM
[QUOTE=Ganelon;869114]I think you’re mistaking belief for organized religion.[/QUOTE]
My whole argument is that atheism isn't a religion.
Originally Posted by
Ganelon
I think you’re mistaking belief for organized religion.
My whole argument is that atheism isn't a religion.
June 19th, 2020, 11:30 AM
[QUOTE=Ganelon;869112]My deism doesn’t have any holy precepts either. I simply believe that a Supreme Being exists. You can be a deist[B] without being religious. Religiousness is not a requirement for belief in God or in Gods in general[/B].[/QUOTE]
Then how is atheism a religion? lol you're agreeing with me here
Originally Posted by
Ganelon
My deism doesn’t have any holy precepts either. I simply believe that a Supreme Being exists. You can be a deist without being religious. Religiousness is not a requirement for belief in God or in Gods in general.
Then how is atheism a religion? lol you're agreeing with me here
June 19th, 2020, 11:29 AM
[QUOTE=naz;869108]or what atheism just exists[B] to shut down other religions?[/B] exblain to me ur version of atheism nana[/QUOTE]
Atheism has no motive. People have motives. People can be atheist and decide what they want to do with that - there's no set of beliefs at all. No leaders. It's lack of religion / lack of belief in god.
There are certain groups that exist that may be atheist in nature - such as the satanists, or humanists or whatever, you could consider those religious I guess. But atheism isn't that.
Originally Posted by
naz
or what atheism just exists to shut down other religions? exblain to me ur version of atheism nana
Atheism has no motive. People have motives. People can be atheist and decide what they want to do with that - there's no set of beliefs at all. No leaders. It's lack of religion / lack of belief in god.
There are certain groups that exist that may be atheist in nature - such as the satanists, or humanists or whatever, you could consider those religious I guess. But atheism isn't that.
June 19th, 2020, 11:26 AM
You guys still aren't getting it.
Again, atheism is not a belief in anything. It's a rejection of a belief in any gods. Let's say that human beings exist, but none of them believe in any gods. Religion doesn't exist. Therefore, everyone in this scenario would be atheist. There's nothing religious about that! None of them believe in god/s. It's really that simple.
Now, someone decides to introduce religion into the mix. He starts preaching "the word of god". There are some people who follow him/her and become religious. The rest reject the teachings and say "that's nonsense, I don't believe it". Now all of a sudden those people went from non-religious to religious? For following the "religion of atheism"?
There's no belief set to atheism. There's no creed. There's no holy works of atheism. Because it's not a belief system, it's not anything. It's disbelief/rejection of any religious teachings in a supreme being. That's not religion.
Sure, you may have groups that can form, or people can try to "convert" people to atheism, but there's literally nobody asking them to do that or any expectation to do that. Because it's not a religion, there's no book of atheism that says "destroy other people's faith in god and you'll be rewarded with x, y, z" - atheism isn't a central or big part of my life, it doesn't dictate my decisions. The only reason the label exists is because of religion.
I don't bear my testimony to people that "I know without a shadow of a doubt that god doesn't exist" - as Galeon said nobody can know that or not lol. There's nothing religious about atheism.
You guys still aren't getting it.
Again, atheism is not a belief in anything. It's a rejection of a belief in any gods. Let's say that human beings exist, but none of them believe in any gods. Religion doesn't exist. Therefore, everyone in this scenario would be atheist. There's nothing religious about that! None of them believe in god/s. It's really that simple.
Now, someone decides to introduce religion into the mix. He starts preaching "the word of god". There are some people who follow him/her and become religious. The rest reject the teachings and say "that's nonsense, I don't believe it". Now all of a sudden those people went from non-religious to religious? For following the "religion of atheism"?
There's no belief set to atheism. There's no creed. There's no holy works of atheism. Because it's not a belief system, it's not anything. It's disbelief/rejection of any religious teachings in a supreme being. That's not religion.
Sure, you may have groups that can form, or people can try to "convert" people to atheism, but there's literally nobody asking them to do that or any expectation to do that. Because it's not a religion, there's no book of atheism that says "destroy other people's faith in god and you'll be rewarded with x, y, z" - atheism isn't a central or big part of my life, it doesn't dictate my decisions. The only reason the label exists is because of religion.
I don't bear my testimony to people that "I know without a shadow of a doubt that god doesn't exist" - as Galeon said nobody can know that or not lol. There's nothing religious about atheism.
June 19th, 2020, 11:05 AM
[QUOTE=SuperJack;869102]My hobby is non stamp collecting.[/QUOTE]
I wish I could give rep to the same post twice
Originally Posted by
SuperJack
My hobby is non stamp collecting.
I wish I could give rep to the same post twice
June 19th, 2020, 11:04 AM
You present a belief: a god created the universe. That requires faith -> you're religious
I reject that belief. "Show me the proof". That's not a belief lol
If there was no religion, there would be no belief in a supreme being to reject. Atheism isn't a belief lol. I don't have faith that no god exists, what would be the point of that lol
You present a belief: a god created the universe. That requires faith -> you're religious
I reject that belief. "Show me the proof". That's not a belief lol
If there was no religion, there would be no belief in a supreme being to reject. Atheism isn't a belief lol. I don't have faith that no god exists, what would be the point of that lol
June 19th, 2020, 11:02 AM
[QUOTE=Ganelon;869099]Atheism requires belief though. Nobody knows whether God exists or not.[/QUOTE]
It doesnt. Its disbelief or lack of belief in a god/gods. There's no faith involved in atheism.
Originally Posted by
Ganelon
Atheism requires belief though. Nobody knows whether God exists or not.
It doesnt. Its disbelief or lack of belief in a god/gods. There's no faith involved in atheism.
June 19th, 2020, 10:56 AM
[QUOTE=naz;869093]also i feel like atheism is a religion, agnostic is the true neutral 😌[/QUOTE]
If you think atheism is a religion you don't really understand atheism
Originally Posted by
naz
also i feel like atheism is a religion, agnostic is the true neutral 😌
If you think atheism is a religion you don't really understand atheism
June 19th, 2020, 10:05 AM
[QUOTE=Frinckles;869078]Five neutrals. Wew look at me go.[/QUOTE]
Actively lurking life as well I see lol
Originally Posted by
Frinckles
Five neutrals. Wew look at me go.
Actively lurking life as well I see lol