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  1. ►►Re: if you do not do the full version of this political quiz and post the results, you have no balls◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Trump told the Proud Boys to "Stand back and stand by" in the debates today. Not stand down, but stand BY.

    But here on sc2mafia we still wonder why people think the Republican Party is the party of the white supremacists.


    Just in case you don't know who the Proud Boys are
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proud_Boys
    https://mobile.twitter.com/thehill/s...68970876125184
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Btw banana, do you disagree with my point that nazis are extreme right (not far, extreme right) socially, but not economically because it doesn't apply? If so, why? Because you kinda just said "they're far right" after I posted
    Far right

    Extreme right

    Right wing

    Semantics dude
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    If you’re going to keep saying that, I will just keep repeating myself, you know that, right?
    Right, facts don't matter to you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I said the Nazis are hard to classify, you then state they are extreme authoritarians. Where is the disagreement?
    They are far right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I think the only thing that will happen if Biden gets elected is that I’ll feel even more sorry for Biden. I don’t think Biden should be in that race at all; he’s senile and lost. I can’t understand why he got nominated lol. I feel bad for him honestly.
    Instead of responding to this, you should respond to the push backs against your false claim that "nazi's aren't far right"

    You can't make a false claim and then ignore when your claim is refuted
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    I see, thank you.

    The extreme polarity of the political climate lately is ridiculous. I dislike when people conflate the most radical ends of the political spectrum with the other. Not all leftists are communist.
    What? But everyone I talk to has convinced me that right-of-center Biden is a hardcore socialist and that if elected we will become Venezuela
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    Can I get some context? I wasn't sure if you meant Trump or someone in 1940s European history.
    Yeah he's referring to Trump, who said that there were good people on both sides of Charlottesville

    I will concede that Trump didn't say specifically "nazis are good people", but considering that the "Unite the RIGHT" rally (emphasis added for those who are still confused as to which end of the political spectrum nazis fall) was organized by white supremacists and neo nazis, the President saying that there are good people mixed in there was bad optics

    Which I argued already in a different thread, as to why people conflate the far right with nazis, given that nazis are far right... wheeee here we go in circles
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    In my opinion, if anyone is far right, it’s the libertarian party in America. The nutcases in that party want to abolish the government
    More than one group of people can be right wing

    Nazis are far right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I think the Nazis aren’t necessarily far right, and I think they are hard to classify as one or the other. Hitler himself stated national socialism was Marxism married to bourgeois ideology (so a weird mixture). I treat fascism as a separate entity because Mussolini’s Italy seems to have been less authoritarian than Nazism, which makes me wonder if Italian fascism was totalitarian at all or just a classical autocracy. There were no death camps, to my knowledge, in Italy, like in Germany or the Soviet Union.
    Nazis are far right. This is not disputable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plotato View Post
    The US is a third world country.

    Sitting in his bedroom of his parents white suburban home, "The US is a 3rd world country" he typed on a computer his parents bought, the comment sent using the internet his parents pay for while his mom was cooking him chicken tendies.

    his mom walks in, disgusted

    “Gerald please, you’re 26 years old. When are you going to find a job, or a girlfriend, or anyone to talk to that isn’t online?”

    “shut up mom im starting a political revolution!!!” he cries out.
    What's that? A tasty snack
    You don't want to go around and eat a snack like that
    Greedy, to eat all that
    You'll end up with your teeth all grey

    You see, the body is like a special house
    With blood, hair and organs in the different rooms
    Oh look, there's Mr. Bladder there in the basement, ha, ha

    Now food comes in through the chimney, mouth
    And goes from room to room greeting the different organs

    Now, the good healthy food is very nice and polite to the organs
    And so, is invited to stay
    For the party
    Yaaay

    But the bad, not healthy food
    Are very rude and must leave through the cat flap

    What's that? a tasty snack
    You don't want to go around and eat a snack like that
    Greedy to eat all of that
    You'll end up with your gums all grey

    The food groups can easily be sorted using the simple health shape
    Choosing normal plain looking foods
    Such as bread, cream, white sause and aspic
    Keep the body ticking over just nicely
    Isn't that right?

    But wait!
    What's this?
    Fancy, show offy foods like
    Cooked meats, fruit salad, soil food, and yolk

    These foods will clog up the body
    With unnecessary detail
    Oh no! Look, It's all broken and on the floor

    Everything tastes great
    Maybe we should wait
    Before we put it on the plate
    Or it could be too late

    What's that? A pizza slice
    But you're better off with plain white sause
    What's that? Plain white sause
    Plain white sauce makes your teeth go grey

    Doesn't matter, just throw it away
    Why not try something else on your tray
    Oh what's that? A lovely pie
    But you're going to end up sad inside

    But everyone has their teeth go grey
    Just eat yeast and it'll go away
    But how much have you had today?
    Too much yeast makes your teeth go grey

    How about some onion paste?
    Looks like fun have a taste
    That wasn't onion paste
    You shouldn't eat food a strangers plate
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    Now you can see the importance of time
    It helps us make pizza
    It keeps things in line

    But when did it start?

    And when will it stop?

    Time is important, and I am a clock
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    I did not quote you ;)
    Yes I know
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    I think believing humans are the best thing existing in the world and not being ready to accept anything stronger, personified or not, is symptomatic of overly developed pride :]
    Hey now. I wouldn't rule out intelligent life out there that is more advanced than us. Just not "god" like lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by theoneceko View Post
    REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
    EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!
    WHYDDON'T U TELL ME WTF OMG UWU OWO *NUZZZLESX3*

    LIKEKEIE I WON'T BASH U FOR UR RELGION, IMJUST VEREYY CUUWURIOUS!!!!
    UvU
    Its probably Jehovahs Witness or Scientology
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    That sounds intense as fuck lol
    Also, being forced to pay a tithing is a no-no for me.
    Ask any mormon, they'll explain that they aren't forced. They just can't hold a temple recommend and receive the blessings of the temple without paying it. You know, such blessings such as eternal life and exaltation. Lmao.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    o shit nvm thats cringe lmao
    You're telling me lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    This sounds more agnostic than atheistic, if I'm being honest.
    Once again, atheism and agnosticism are not mutually exclusive.

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Maybe a visual will help?




    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    I don't believe in anything. Yes, I fall into more of the agnostic atheist category - maybe a supreme being exists. I don't think one does, but hey I may be wrong.

    But if one exists, its definitely unknown to us and is not any of the gods that I've heard of. I reject the idea of god as we humans understand and that earthly religions preach of. That makes me atheist. It's such a broad label - but that's basically what it is, a label. Not a religion, not a belief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    ok actually that's pretty dope wtf. how do i become a mormon?
    Its a lot. Its every day. A way of life. Every part of your identity. In the temples mormons make this covenant:

    "You and each of you covenant and promise before God, angels, and these witnesses at this altar, that you do accept the Law of Consecration as contained in the Doctrine and Covenants, in that you do consecrate yourselves, your time, talents, and everything with which the Lord has blessed you, or with which he may bless you, to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, for the building up of the Kingdom of God on the earth and for the establishment of Zion. "

    You have tons of rules, like no alcohol, tobacco, tea, drugs, etc. Strict chastity laws. Like no sex before or outside of marriage, no porn, no masturbating. Attend church every sunday. Pay 10% of your income in tithing.

    You'll be given a "calling". This could be something as simple as teaching a class on Sundays to as involved as a scout leader taking kids on camps all the time, or as involved as a bishop (local leader of a congregation), or a stake president (leader of multiple congregations). Your calling will take up many hours of your time during the week, not just on Sunday.

    You are expected to help convert people. Share the gospel with everyone. Invite them to church. Ever meet a mormon? They will share their faith with you, try to teach you, try to hook you and bring you to church and church activities. They are relentless. And its because its expected of them, not because they care about your wellbeing, "every member a missionary"

    Its exhausting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    Rationalism is neat but it's hardly the answer to everything.
    But here's the neat thing. I don't have the desire to have the answer to everything anymore. Religion, faith tries to give you that. "Here's the answers to the deep thought out questions that you have such as 'where do I go after I die?' and 'are my departed loved ones out there somewhere' and 'what is the meaning of life'?"

    Now I see it as "I won't know the answer to these things in my lifetime. Its out of my control." And I'm okay with that. This is very likely the only life I ever get to live, so I'm going to try to live it to the fullest.
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    I'll admit my views are heavily influenced by my departure from mormonism in 2015. I was a devout mormon for 25 years and after investigating my faith and seeing how I was manipulated and controlled by a con man and his successors and that all the evidence was there that the book of mormon was false I couldn't latch on to any other religion or faith. Eventually I have up on the idea of god completely. What makes the bible the word of god? Other than other people saying it is so? I see parallels in people's faith and beliefs and testimony in those of everyone I know who is mormon.
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    Its so much more rational imo that man created god as a way to explain how the universe exists and to give comfort to people about what happens after death than a supreme being always existing and then creating man. And then demanding they worship him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    I think believing in god is cringe because you're literally admitting that there is someone better than you and that you'll never reach that level, which is beta as FUCK.
    lol mormons believe that god was once a man on a planet, eventually reached godhood, and that they can become gods too. No I'm not making that up.
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    You're right. He don't float in the sky. He lives on the planet Kolob. And one day you'll make planets like him. If you're baptized mormon, get your endowment, and marry in the temple that is.
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    Fuck, You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to aamirus again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    A potentially interesting political conversation is now about semantics. Smh
    Claiming that atheism is a religion isn't just an argument about semantics lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    Yeah, the axis that points up is the neutral stance.
    Right, so we're in agreement. Kinda. I think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    Let's say there may or may not be a criminal.

    Atheist: there is no criminal, no evidence points to a crime/evidence points to no crime
    Agnostic Atheist: probably there is no criminal, I don't know if there is enough evidence
    Agnostic: I don't know whether or not a crime happened, I don't know if there is enough evidence/there might be evidence but it doesn't point either which way, maybe there is a criminal <- neutral
    Agnostic Theist: probably there is a criminal, I don't know if there is enough evidence
    Theist: there is a criminal, the evidence is incriminating

    Also, imma refer you to this:

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Maybe a visual will help?


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    You can't post the definition of atheism that states "does not believe" and then try to turn that into "believe" somehow lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    Let's say there may or may not be a criminal.

    Atheist: there is no criminal, no evidence points to a crime/evidence points to no crime
    Agnostic Atheist: probably there is no criminal, I don't know if there is enough evidence
    Agnostic: I don't know whether or not a crime happened, I don't know if there is enough evidence/there might be evidence but it doesn't point either which way, maybe there is a criminal <- neutral
    Agnostic Theist: probably there is a criminal, I don't know if there is enough evidence
    Theist: there is a criminal, the evidence is incriminating
    non​be​lief | \ ˌnn-bə-ˈlēf

    Definition of nonbelief

    : absence or lack of belief

    Something can't be the lack of itself

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    If you want to know what my idea of God is:
    https://highexistence.com/the-last-answer-short-story/
    That’s pretty close to what I think god would be.
    I did try to read it. Kinda got bored once the voice explained that it chose the guy to exist in the afterlife.
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    Quote Originally Posted by secondpassing View Post
    ag​nos​tic | \ ag-ˈn-stik , əg- \
    Definition of agnostic (Entry 1 of 2)
    1: a person who holds the view that any ultimate reality (such as God) is unknown and probably unknowable
    broadly : one who is not committed to believing in either the existence or the nonexistence of God or a god
    2: a person who is unwilling to commit to an opinion about something
    political agnostics


    athe​ist | \ ˈā-thē-ist \
    Definition of atheist
    : a person who does not believe in the existence of a god or any gods : one who subscribes to or advocates atheism

    ...

    An agnostic who is neither a theist or an atheist would be a true neutral.
    Non belief is not the same as belief lol.
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    Quote Originally Posted by naz View Post
    idk have u looked at the wiki page for atheism?
    also maybe we wanna discuss >;3
    don't be a party pooper!!
    Is there something from the wiki page for atheism that you would like to discuss?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    I guess I should clarify.
    You can lack belief in God by not being sure of by not caring whether God exists. But, if you actively reject belief in God, hows that different from believing that God doesn’t exist?
    I actively reject a supreme being as presented to me by the many religions of the world. That's way different from considering that maybe a god of some type could exist. I agree that there's no way to prove that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    I’m confused. How can you lack belief in God without automatically believing God doesn’t exist?
    I don't believe in anything. Yes, I fall into more of the agnostic atheist category - maybe a supreme being exists. I don't think one does, but hey I may be wrong.

    But if one exists, its definitely unknown to us and is not any of the gods that I've heard of. I reject the idea of god as we humans understand and that earthly religions preach of. That makes me atheist. It's such a broad label - but that's basically what it is, a label. Not a religion, not a belief.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    Fair enough I got the idea, it just seems to be that label should be reserved for people who think the question whether God exists isn’t relevant.
    Why?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    Well then sorry, I dont think its a religion but it does imply belief.
    No it doesn't. It's lack of belief in god.
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    Maybe a visual will help?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    lack of belief would agnosticism. You have to believe that God doesn’t exist, you can’t know that. What you described is not caring if god exists.
    Again, wrong. Agnosticism is that the existence of god is unknown - IT IS NOT MUTUALLY EXCLUSIVE TO ATHEISM

    You can be an agnostic atheist. Or a gnostic atheist.

    smh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    I didn’t say it was a religion. I said it implies belief in the non existence of God.
    naz said atheism is a religion, I pushed back and said it's not and that she doesn't understand atheism, you pushed back and brought belief into it

    You could have just agreed with me instead lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    I think you’re mistaking belief for organized religion.
    My whole argument is that atheism isn't a religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    My deism doesn’t have any holy precepts either. I simply believe that a Supreme Being exists. You can be a deist without being religious. Religiousness is not a requirement for belief in God or in Gods in general.
    Then how is atheism a religion? lol you're agreeing with me here
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    Quote Originally Posted by naz View Post
    or what atheism just exists to shut down other religions? exblain to me ur version of atheism nana
    Atheism has no motive. People have motives. People can be atheist and decide what they want to do with that - there's no set of beliefs at all. No leaders. It's lack of religion / lack of belief in god.

    There are certain groups that exist that may be atheist in nature - such as the satanists, or humanists or whatever, you could consider those religious I guess. But atheism isn't that.
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    You guys still aren't getting it.

    Again, atheism is not a belief in anything. It's a rejection of a belief in any gods. Let's say that human beings exist, but none of them believe in any gods. Religion doesn't exist. Therefore, everyone in this scenario would be atheist. There's nothing religious about that! None of them believe in god/s. It's really that simple.

    Now, someone decides to introduce religion into the mix. He starts preaching "the word of god". There are some people who follow him/her and become religious. The rest reject the teachings and say "that's nonsense, I don't believe it". Now all of a sudden those people went from non-religious to religious? For following the "religion of atheism"?

    There's no belief set to atheism. There's no creed. There's no holy works of atheism. Because it's not a belief system, it's not anything. It's disbelief/rejection of any religious teachings in a supreme being. That's not religion.

    Sure, you may have groups that can form, or people can try to "convert" people to atheism, but there's literally nobody asking them to do that or any expectation to do that. Because it's not a religion, there's no book of atheism that says "destroy other people's faith in god and you'll be rewarded with x, y, z" - atheism isn't a central or big part of my life, it doesn't dictate my decisions. The only reason the label exists is because of religion.

    I don't bear my testimony to people that "I know without a shadow of a doubt that god doesn't exist" - as Galeon said nobody can know that or not lol. There's nothing religious about atheism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    My hobby is non stamp collecting.
    I wish I could give rep to the same post twice
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    You present a belief: a god created the universe. That requires faith -> you're religious

    I reject that belief. "Show me the proof". That's not a belief lol

    If there was no religion, there would be no belief in a supreme being to reject. Atheism isn't a belief lol. I don't have faith that no god exists, what would be the point of that lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    Atheism requires belief though. Nobody knows whether God exists or not.
    It doesnt. Its disbelief or lack of belief in a god/gods. There's no faith involved in atheism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by naz View Post
    also i feel like atheism is a religion, agnostic is the true neutral 😌
    If you think atheism is a religion you don't really understand atheism
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    Five neutrals. Wew look at me go.
    Actively lurking life as well I see lol
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