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[QUOTE=Voss;855489]ganelon means forum mafia, not the arcade.[/QUOTE]

Oh I thought he was referencing the mod since he said "Sc2Mafia." That term can mean forum and the mod, I know UwU. I was wondering what planet Ganelon was living in lol uWu

Originally Posted by Voss

ganelon means forum mafia, not the arcade.

Oh I thought he was referencing the mod since he said "Sc2Mafia." That term can mean forum and the mod, I know UwU. I was wondering what planet Ganelon was living in lol uWu

[QUOTE=Ganelon;855470]I agree, Helz.
One thing I've noticed, that (for some reason) seems to very common in the Mafia community (especially on other sites like e.g. MafiaUniverse), is that quite a few players like to make others feel bad about themselves (for fucking up?). This isn't the case on SC2Mafia fortunately, as far as I can tell (we are guilty of other things, but this is not one of them). What bothers me is that this behaviour seems to be extremely common in the Mafia community - why is that? Why is it acceptable to call someone an idiot for being wrong?[/QUOTE]

Dude wdym. I see flaming in almost every lobby. I also flame too since most of the time town just trolls and never follows leads. Personal attacks are used too. They tend to insult a player's apparent lack of IQ or consist of random slurs. Again, I usually partake if the target was truly stupid (minus the slurs part UwU).

Originally Posted by Ganelon

I agree, Helz.
One thing I've noticed, that (for some reason) seems to very common in the Mafia community (especially on other sites like e.g. MafiaUniverse), is that quite a few players like to make others feel bad about themselves (for fucking up?). This isn't the case on SC2Mafia fortunately, as far as I can tell (we are guilty of other things, but this is not one of them). What bothers me is that this behaviour seems to be extremely common in the Mafia community - why is that? Why is it acceptable to call someone an idiot for being wrong?

Dude wdym. I see flaming in almost every lobby. I also flame too since most of the time town just trolls and never follows leads. Personal attacks are used too. They tend to insult a player's apparent lack of IQ or consist of random slurs. Again, I usually partake if the target was truly stupid (minus the slurs part UwU).

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If that dude is autistic, he's pathetic. If not, even worse L U L PogChamp

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If that dude is autistic, he's pathetic. If not, even worse L U L

[QUOTE=yzb25;852405]As people play this game, they accumulate lots of baggage, like insecurities and weaknesses. Many of those insecurities are very easy to exploit in a way that seems natural.

One obvious example: if a player is just generally insecure and seems to look up to you, then you can really damage their reads by saying something like "I can't believe we're 24 hours into day 1 and all you've just got is some superficial read on a player obviously playing to their day 1 town meta. Pull your head out of your ass and take this game seriously ffs. You told me you wanted to get better." - this can be easily played off as a heated moment, depending on your persona.

You see some experienced players doing it a LOT. Not just neccesarily the above, but generally trying to get in people's head and figure out what their weaknesses are. But it's also easy to misinterpret one person's tactless remark as some deliberate, calculated attack on your psyche. If you're suspicious it's happening, try to find examples of your suspect doing it to others as opposed to you, because you can probably make a much more objective assessment of other's weaknesses.

I think the morality of it is very case-by-case, but you should generally have faith in people to overcome their problems. I've personally found it to be very beneficial to my self-awareness to have those sorts of plays used on me. However, just remember the game is supposed to be fun and you're not trying to scar people lmao.[/QUOTE]

I actually really like when you said "generally have faith in people to overcome their problems." makes me UWU.

No seriously, when people flame me in the mod I learn to get used to it and learn from my stupid mistakes. Also, when people are flaming me even though they're the ones who fucked up (they just want some1 to dump their salt on) I'm learnING to deal.

I've only seen one report on "flaming"/cyberbullying. Not to discredit cyberbullying, in some cases it maeks ppl commit non-living UWU. But in a video game if ur raging, like who honestly gives a fuck.
UWUUWJU!
I havb 900IQ

Originally Posted by yzb25

As people play this game, they accumulate lots of baggage, like insecurities and weaknesses. Many of those insecurities are very easy to exploit in a way that seems natural.

One obvious example: if a player is just generally insecure and seems to look up to you, then you can really damage their reads by saying something like "I can't believe we're 24 hours into day 1 and all you've just got is some superficial read on a player obviously playing to their day 1 town meta. Pull your head out of your ass and take this game seriously ffs. You told me you wanted to get better." - this can be easily played off as a heated moment, depending on your persona.

You see some experienced players doing it a LOT. Not just neccesarily the above, but generally trying to get in people's head and figure out what their weaknesses are. But it's also easy to misinterpret one person's tactless remark as some deliberate, calculated attack on your psyche. If you're suspicious it's happening, try to find examples of your suspect doing it to others as opposed to you, because you can probably make a much more objective assessment of other's weaknesses.

I think the morality of it is very case-by-case, but you should generally have faith in people to overcome their problems. I've personally found it to be very beneficial to my self-awareness to have those sorts of plays used on me. However, just remember the game is supposed to be fun and you're not trying to scar people lmao.

I actually really like when you said "generally have faith in people to overcome their problems." makes me UWU.

No seriously, when people flame me in the mod I learn to get used to it and learn from my stupid mistakes. Also, when people are flaming me even though they're the ones who fucked up (they just want some1 to dump their salt on) I'm learnING to deal.

I've only seen one report on "flaming"/cyberbullying. Not to discredit cyberbullying, in some cases it maeks ppl commit non-living UWU. But in a video game if ur raging, like who honestly gives a fuck.
UWUUWJU!
I havb 900IQ

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;852431]I believe gaslighting appears much more in FM than on the mod, though. On the mod, it's mostly [I]flaming[/I] that people sometimes actually believe to be "right" and follow, sadly. Theoneceko gave examples of it above (not saying he's guilty of it himself, but what he put in his post is a good picture of the general way to discredit there).[/QUOTE]

L U L I FLAME UWU. OWOFLAMESUWUFLAEMS. IM NOT ABOVE FLAMING IM A FUCKIN DEGENERATE!!!!

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

I believe gaslighting appears much more in FM than on the mod, though. On the mod, it's mostly flaming that people sometimes actually believe to be "right" and follow, sadly. Theoneceko gave examples of it above (not saying he's guilty of it himself, but what he put in his post is a good picture of the general way to discredit there).

L U L I FLAME UWU. OWOFLAMESUWUFLAEMS. IM NOT ABOVE FLAMING IM A FUCKIN DEGENERATE!!!!

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I don't play forum mafia, just the battle.net version but I wanted to put my two cents in since I've had similar experiences.

In the battle.net version, there's something called "witch-hunting," which is when someone is targeted because of their in-game nickname (you can choose a unique nickname when you're in a Sc2Mafia game). The targeted person could be a troll, toxic, a moderator, or just someone using an HTML colored name (a special privilege awarded to players after they earn a certain number of points).

Mods recently decided to allow witch-hunting since players can just change their in-game nickname, which arguably allows for more toxic behavior. In general, "gaslighting" is extremely common between battle.net players. Every other lobby I'm in has people from a previous match arguing with each other or hosts kicking players for personal reasons. It's a shitshow. And guess what? I don't care, and I doubt most other battle.net players care since they're still playing. Trash talk is just a part of battle.net mafia, and I'm super grateful to have found a game that allows it.

If there's a personal vendetta between two players, I'd want them to settle it between themselves. If someone is basically spamming "I want THIS player to die," you can:

1. Ignore it if the gaslighter isn't providing adequate evidence for his claim.
2. Punish the gaslighter if he's working against his objective by targeting someone. For example, a doctor who pretends to be sheriff and claims the gaslightee is mafia just to get a lynch on the person he hates. However, this can be difficult to determine and comes down to opinion---which I believe should NOT influence a mod's decision---since part of the strategy in Mafia is pretending to be a role that you aren't.

There's also the issue of figuring out if the gaslighter is being malicious or a troll. I think the latter should be allowed, since I find trolls hilarious ;). Also, if town is stupid enough to lynch someone based off of a gaslighter making claims from day 1, that should be the town's problem. Gaslighters should be treated as executioners, jesters, potential evils trying to confuse town, or towns trying to fake jester so they don't get shot by mafia (since mafia shooting jester is basically a wasted night for mafia)---not as trolls who shouldn't play the game.

For example, I saw Efekann gaslighting Distorted in the Furry Potter game that just ended. Efekann claimed like five roles in the first day to "convince" town that Distorted is "scum." Obviously, Efekann wasn't being serious and as Varcron said, putting all that attention on Distorted could make him fumble or at least pressure him to vote with town if he IS scum.

I do realize forum mafia is more heavily moderated than battle.net mafia and that gaslightees can't hide their username on here. However, I believe moderators should try to regulate gameplay, not behavior. Regulating behavior requires using your [B]opinion[/B] on what's right and wrong. What you consider as unacceptable behavior could be totally fine with another mod. No offense to you Marshmallow, but if there's one thing I hate, it's a site with mods who are inconsistent with punishments---and I would hate for Sc2Maf to become one of those sites.

Final note, if someone tells me to fuck off or that I'm trash in a game, I tell that person to fuck off like a real man or hit them with the "no u UwU" Uno reverse card. I hate being flamed, but I also like to flame others. I wouldn't want a mod to get in the middle of that since I believe I should handle the repercussions of toxicity myself.

I don't play forum mafia, just the battle.net version but I wanted to put my two cents in since I've had similar experiences.

In the battle.net version, there's something called "witch-hunting," which is when someone is targeted because of their in-game nickname (you can choose a unique nickname when you're in a Sc2Mafia game). The targeted person could be a troll, toxic, a moderator, or just someone using an HTML colored name (a special privilege awarded to players after they earn a certain number of points).

Mods recently decided to allow witch-hunting since players can just change their in-game nickname, which arguably allows for more toxic behavior. In general, "gaslighting" is extremely common between battle.net players. Every other lobby I'm in has people from a previous match arguing with each other or hosts kicking players for personal reasons. It's a shitshow. And guess what? I don't care, and I doubt most other battle.net players care since they're still playing. Trash talk is just a part of battle.net mafia, and I'm super grateful to have found a game that allows it.

If there's a personal vendetta between two players, I'd want them to settle it between themselves. If someone is basically spamming "I want THIS player to die," you can:

1. Ignore it if the gaslighter isn't providing adequate evidence for his claim.
2. Punish the gaslighter if he's working against his objective by targeting someone. For example, a doctor who pretends to be sheriff and claims the gaslightee is mafia just to get a lynch on the person he hates. However, this can be difficult to determine and comes down to opinion---which I believe should NOT influence a mod's decision---since part of the strategy in Mafia is pretending to be a role that you aren't.

There's also the issue of figuring out if the gaslighter is being malicious or a troll. I think the latter should be allowed, since I find trolls hilarious ;). Also, if town is stupid enough to lynch someone based off of a gaslighter making claims from day 1, that should be the town's problem. Gaslighters should be treated as executioners, jesters, potential evils trying to confuse town, or towns trying to fake jester so they don't get shot by mafia (since mafia shooting jester is basically a wasted night for mafia)---not as trolls who shouldn't play the game.

For example, I saw Efekann gaslighting Distorted in the Furry Potter game that just ended. Efekann claimed like five roles in the first day to "convince" town that Distorted is "scum." Obviously, Efekann wasn't being serious and as Varcron said, putting all that attention on Distorted could make him fumble or at least pressure him to vote with town if he IS scum.

I do realize forum mafia is more heavily moderated than battle.net mafia and that gaslightees can't hide their username on here. However, I believe moderators should try to regulate gameplay, not behavior. Regulating behavior requires using your opinion on what's right and wrong. What you consider as unacceptable behavior could be totally fine with another mod. No offense to you Marshmallow, but if there's one thing I hate, it's a site with mods who are inconsistent with punishments---and I would hate for Sc2Maf to become one of those sites.

Final note, if someone tells me to fuck off or that I'm trash in a game, I tell that person to fuck off like a real man or hit them with the "no u UwU" Uno reverse card. I hate being flamed, but I also like to flame others. I wouldn't want a mod to get in the middle of that since I believe I should handle the repercussions of toxicity myself.