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[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;923039]You have 1.5 points for doing exactly that ^^. They may be traded for cookies at the nearest grocery store, as long as you pay the normal price for the cookies, too.[/QUOTE]
Hoax

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

You have 1.5 points for doing exactly that ^^. They may be traded for cookies at the nearest grocery store, as long as you pay the normal price for the cookies, too.

Hoax

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;844919]Yes, Silent Night could use some clarifications that will be made in due time; however, you were contesting the legitimity of its presence here, which wasn't necessary or nice. But either way, that's matter for the setup thread itself. You made us bury BananaGhostcho's entry, you monster.[/QUOTE]
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[*]I never questioned it's legitimity to be part of the ladder.
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[*]I pointed out it's not really... [I]finished[/I].
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[*]I bluntly said what I remember, which ended up being true (all the points I made above were gathered from ISO'ing Frinckles in the game). It wasn't nice, it wasn't rude, it wasn't anything but neutral.
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[*]I'm sorry that I tried to be helpful but it was seen as me being rude or something.
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[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;844919]I don't really see the validity of your points about Masquerade Madness. If you'd like, we can discuss it privately on Discord. In other words, I rest my case :)[/QUOTE]
...ok
I will see myself out.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

Yes, Silent Night could use some clarifications that will be made in due time; however, you were contesting the legitimity of its presence here, which wasn't necessary or nice. But either way, that's matter for the setup thread itself. You made us bury BananaGhostcho's entry, you monster.

• I never questioned it's legitimity to be part of the ladder.

• I pointed out it's not really... finished.

• I bluntly said what I remember, which ended up being true (all the points I made above were gathered from ISO'ing Frinckles in the game). It wasn't nice, it wasn't rude, it wasn't anything but neutral.

• I'm sorry that I tried to be helpful but it was seen as me being rude or something.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

I don't really see the validity of your points about Masquerade Madness. If you'd like, we can discuss it privately on Discord. In other words, I rest my case

...ok
I will see myself out.

[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;844905]Smiths will be fixed accordingly.[/QUOTE]I'm so glad you fixed the grammer, rigger ooo, and the 3p wincon. They were so so ugly. :push:



[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;844905]Silent Night did not really have problems: players not always reading the setup isn't the setup's fault, after all. I do believe that Angel tweaks would be welcome, though.[/QUOTE]-No lynch mechanics.

-No Possible Feedback list.

-Is not said whether the Mafia have a day chat. (if they don’t have a day chat, then it’s worth noting that it’s not specified whether they know their teammates or not, but I guess no setup has it specified?)

-Angels role card says “You are a benevolent angel, watching over a patron of the Holiday Party.”, while [b]3 town[/b] role cards say “You are a patron of the Holiday Party.”.
Angel’s target can be any alignment or role. Obvious confusion incoming.

-Maybe this is nitpicking, but it’s not specified wether or not Angel knows anything about their target.

-Lover and Heartbreaker are not in the OoO. [i]It doesn’t matter for Heartbreaker though since town has no night kill.[/i]

-“Deaths from Heartbreak occur at the end of each night.” - In the case of Lovers target getting lynched, poor Lover can’t join the graveyard chat for 24 more hours. :(
I wonder what’s the reason for that line anyway?
:thinking:

-While the List Makers interaction with Actress is clarified in the role card, the same cannot be said about the Caroler.

-Can we take a moment and appreciate what a strange name the List Maker is? His name is Caroler’s action in a sense, while his own action is a combination of [URL="https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/database/mafia-roles/role/?mafiarole=%20Sleuth"]Sleuth [/URL]and [URL="https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/database/mafia-roles/role/?mafiarole=%20Parity%20Cop"]Parity Cop[/URL].

-It would be nice to know if the Consorts target gets notified. It could get ugly for the RB'ed Caroler, if the Caroler targets a citizen.

-This line in the Angels role card: “this protection also prevents death via heartbreak.” - I view it as possibly prolematic because Angel's target can also be Lover.


[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;844905]Masquerade Madness is not a random lynch game at all, and was very appreciated the two times it was played. It focuses on tells that are very rarely focused on, such as language tells, but that can be used in every mafia game (not to find disguisers, but as "language meta"; see Helz's guide on meta). And no, it wasn't to have an anonymous setup in the list, but to have that specific setup in the list! I also wanted to include a solo scum in a small setup.[/QUOTE]I don't mind the setup itself tbh. I just think it's not the best fit for a competitive environment.
1) compared to other setups, the lynching there is more random.
2) Wether 6 players get a little points or 1 players gets a lot of points - thats fair in itself. But if the 6 win, then because of the small setup size, the randed subs might view the 6 as lucky and feel cheated out of points themselves.



[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;844905]As of the "wild" side of setups, they are actually quite tame, for the most part. [/QUOTE]I so so want to say "I rest my case". Feels out of place, but I know no better way to say it. :S



[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;844905]Torment has a lot of neutrals, and it's partially about making them side with you while you need them. The setup is also very old, which means it isn't from the same site meta: at the time the setup was made, balance might not have been considered the way it currently is.[/QUOTE]"it's partially about making them side with you while you need them" sounds horrendous. :laugh:

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

Smiths will be fixed accordingly.

I'm so glad you fixed the grammer, rigger ooo, and the 3p wincon. They were so so ugly.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

Silent Night did not really have problems: players not always reading the setup isn't the setup's fault, after all. I do believe that Angel tweaks would be welcome, though.

-No lynch mechanics.

-No Possible Feedback list.

-Is not said whether the Mafia have a day chat. (if they don’t have a day chat, then it’s worth noting that it’s not specified whether they know their teammates or not, but I guess no setup has it specified?)

-Angels role card says “You are a benevolent angel, watching over a patron of the Holiday Party.”, while 3 town role cards say “You are a patron of the Holiday Party.”.
Angel’s target can be any alignment or role. Obvious confusion incoming.

-Maybe this is nitpicking, but it’s not specified wether or not Angel knows anything about their target.

-Lover and Heartbreaker are not in the OoO. It doesn’t matter for Heartbreaker though since town has no night kill.

-“Deaths from Heartbreak occur at the end of each night.” - In the case of Lovers target getting lynched, poor Lover can’t join the graveyard chat for 24 more hours.
I wonder what’s the reason for that line anyway?


-While the List Makers interaction with Actress is clarified in the role card, the same cannot be said about the Caroler.

-Can we take a moment and appreciate what a strange name the List Maker is? His name is Caroler’s action in a sense, while his own action is a combination of Sleuth and Parity Cop.

-It would be nice to know if the Consorts target gets notified. It could get ugly for the RB'ed Caroler, if the Caroler targets a citizen.

-This line in the Angels role card: “this protection also prevents death via heartbreak.” - I view it as possibly prolematic because Angel's target can also be Lover.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

Masquerade Madness is not a random lynch game at all, and was very appreciated the two times it was played. It focuses on tells that are very rarely focused on, such as language tells, but that can be used in every mafia game (not to find disguisers, but as "language meta"; see Helz's guide on meta). And no, it wasn't to have an anonymous setup in the list, but to have that specific setup in the list! I also wanted to include a solo scum in a small setup.

I don't mind the setup itself tbh. I just think it's not the best fit for a competitive environment.
1) compared to other setups, the lynching there is more random.
2) Wether 6 players get a little points or 1 players gets a lot of points - thats fair in itself. But if the 6 win, then because of the small setup size, the randed subs might view the 6 as lucky and feel cheated out of points themselves.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

As of the "wild" side of setups, they are actually quite tame, for the most part.

I so so want to say "I rest my case". Feels out of place, but I know no better way to say it.

Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall

Torment has a lot of neutrals, and it's partially about making them side with you while you need them. The setup is also very old, which means it isn't from the same site meta: at the time the setup was made, balance might not have been considered the way it currently is.

"it's partially about making them side with you while you need them" sounds horrendous.

To my knowledge, the Smiths had problems in it that SJ left in that I had to fix for my version. [I](the current version is not the one that people played)[/I]
Likewise Silent Night had problems, Frinckles had to elaborate on stuff over and over again during the game.
Maybe I misremember.

Masquerade Madness II is Citizens vs 1 SK?
Random Lynch game, I think it shouldn't be part of a competition.
You put it in there to have a anonymous setup in the list, yes?
Anonymousity doesn't have to be setup specific :blink1:. You could make all setups to be played on Anon accounts if you wanted to. :D

[S]Eternia and Artificial intelligence look very similar.
If this list is in order of games played - I think you should consider putting them further apart from each other. Maybe undercover too....but probably not.[/s]

What is your personal opinion of the Torment setup? Usually 3 Mafias are against 10 Towns, but here it's 8 towns and the remaining 2 slots are Neutrals. Interesting balancing choice. In contrast, President's balance I like immediately.

Small Town mafia looks very funny lol. Top setup of the list.


My personal taste, a more "softer" list of setups would feel more attractive. Thoug it's only like that for me. I got the impression that the general consensus on SC2Mafia is the crazier the better. [I](Doesn't matter to me ofc because very likely I won't play FM any time soon)[/I]

I like, percentage wise, the list of [URL="https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/24639-Light-Game-Competitive-Circuit"]Light Game Competitive Circuit[/URL] more tbh. :cheesy:

To my knowledge, the Smiths had problems in it that SJ left in that I had to fix for my version. (the current version is not the one that people played)
Likewise Silent Night had problems, Frinckles had to elaborate on stuff over and over again during the game.
Maybe I misremember.

Masquerade Madness II is Citizens vs 1 SK?
Random Lynch game, I think it shouldn't be part of a competition.
You put it in there to have a anonymous setup in the list, yes?
Anonymousity doesn't have to be setup specific . You could make all setups to be played on Anon accounts if you wanted to.

Eternia and Artificial intelligence look very similar.
If this list is in order of games played - I think you should consider putting them further apart from each other. Maybe undercover too....but probably not.

What is your personal opinion of the Torment setup? Usually 3 Mafias are against 10 Towns, but here it's 8 towns and the remaining 2 slots are Neutrals. Interesting balancing choice. In contrast, President's balance I like immediately.

Small Town mafia looks very funny lol. Top setup of the list.


My personal taste, a more "softer" list of setups would feel more attractive. Thoug it's only like that for me. I got the impression that the general consensus on SC2Mafia is the crazier the better. (Doesn't matter to me ofc because very likely I won't play FM any time soon)

I like, percentage wise, the list of Light Game Competitive Circuit more tbh.