Stop painting me red with the blood of the innocents
For the record, I had a rather strong feeling Efe was scum but didn't want to 1: annoy him and 2: make him change his behavior (for analysis' sake). But then, Mag came in and said it, so I thought I might as well voice it lol.[/QUOTE]
Sounds like excuses but ok I believe you
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
Stop painting me red with the blood of the innocents
For the record, I had a rather strong feeling Efe was scum but didn't want to 1: annoy him and 2: make him change his behavior (for analysis' sake). But then, Mag came in and said it, so I thought I might as well voice it lol.
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[COLOR="#DFE0E0"][CENTER][B]Reads between Oberon and #2/baker/fb[/B][/CENTER][/COLOR]
[SPOILER=#2][SPOILER=Oberon on #2]
[QUOTE=Oberon (D1);919394]
Oh I Forgot Numbertwo Existed
[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#DFE0E0"](Not really a read, I know, but interesting nonetheless)[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Oberon (D1);919401]
Also The Meta Is NumberTwo Is Always Scum
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Oberon;919642]
I think based on Ozy’s fencesitting this game he could easily be the scum with SuperJack. I’ve thought of bakermir as well but I don’t think that really makes sense. The strongest argument against bakermir is his lack of activity and he does that every game. The only person he could conceivably be scum with is Ozy or if I’m really stretching it, Numbertwo
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Oberon;919650]
More wishy washy could be anything bullshit. This must be second scum.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Oberon;919782]
Because NumberTwo is literally being Numbertwo and ignoring the game like he usually does as town
When he's scum he's more sarcastic
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Oberon;919783]
there. but I don't think numbertwo is town. BUT, if he were town, that would be the reason.
[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#DFE0E0"](Why this immediate contradiction to his previous post?)[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=Oberon;919787]
numbertwo hasn't been sarcastic this game if you can't tell that you're scum
[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#DFE0E0"](Why this immediate contradiction to his previous post?)[/COLOR]
[/SPOILER]
[SPOILER=#2 on Oberon]
[COLOR="#DFE0E0"][I]None Existent[/I][/COLOR]
[COLOR=red]ISO is, mostly, all interaction with Oberon while supporting his push on SJ. Which makes the none existent reads on Oberon strange to say the least.[/COLOR]
[/SPOILER][/SPOILER]
[SPOILER=baker][SPOILER=Oberon on baker]
[QUOTE=Oberon (D1);919390]
I'd be very tempted to scumread the people 'in the middle' so to speak, who started softing afterwards. Someone like... Bakermir. His post about what he would do if he were X role reeks of rolehunting
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Oberon;919523]
Excellent, here’s 2nd scum.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Oberon;919642]
I think based on Ozy’s fencesitting this game he could easily be the scum with SuperJack. I’ve thought of bakermir as well but I don’t think that really makes sense. The strongest argument against bakermir is his lack of activity and he does that every game. The only person he could conceivably be scum with is Ozy or if I’m really stretching it, Numbertwo
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Oberon to SJ;919760]
You let your scum partner bakermir vote Numbrtwo in opposition to my lynch or MM’s lynch (which puts you at a disadvantage). So now your only hope is for people to lynch someone other than yourself, myself or MM because that would out you
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Oberon to SJ;919766]
Bakermir is doing exactly what your scum partner should be doing
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Oberon;919769]
and here he is doing EXACTLY what I said he was doing. are people really going to fall for this shit?
[/QUOTE]
[/SPOILER]
[SPOILER=baker on Oberon]
[QUOTE=bakermir;919508]
Oberon at times gave me partner-y vibes in interactions between OberonxMMxMike. It felt like Oberon/MM could be partners playin a good cop/bad cop vs mike but then Mike was townreading oberon on second thought, it all felt so unreal but now mike's flip tells me I wouldn't vote Oberon today. So if Oberon is not mafia then MM could be town too?
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bakermir;919562]
beron is a potential partner to MM and if they are town then it makes SJ mafia here.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bakermir;919563]
I am totally okay with following your game plan so far. I don't see any harm to town. This doesn't mean I trust you over Oberon 100%. I think Oberon might be telling the truth here and you are not but I can't know that
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=bakermir;919741]
Oberon's potential partner range:
MM
NumberTwo
[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#DFE0E0"]Not a read per se, but interesting.[/COLOR]
[QUOTE=bakermir to SJ about Oberon+MM;919764]
i don't know. it always felt like they are
[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#DFE0E0"]In the ISO, the thoughts surrounding Oberon (and most others for that matter) are mostly not concrete reads but rather thoughts about scenarios.
Feels mostly game solvy attitude to me.[/COLOR]
[/SPOILER][/SPOILER]
[SPOILER=fb][SPOILER=Oberon on fb]
[QUOTE=Oberon (D1);919165]
also frostbyte is doing the abrasive thing again so hes town :weed:
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Oberon;919521]
Nah I wont let you vote FrostByte. FrostByte is probably the other PR or something. Don’t feed the troll.
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Oberon;919522]
FB is litwrally playing his town meta to a T, I ain’t lynching him you Filthy Aristocrat!
[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Oberon to SJ;919644]
I’m also not 100% on FB being town because the claims you made regarding frostbyte are very weak IMO and I don’t buy you were softing FB as your target.
[/QUOTE]
[/SPOILER]
[SPOILER=fb on Oberon]
[COLOR="#DFE0E0"][I]None Existent[/I]
However, in contrast to NumberTwo's ISO - fb has had minimal interaction with Oberon.[/COLOR]
[/SPOILER][/SPOILER]
Most interesting post, from Oberon, with reads on me+baker+#2, for me personally is:
[SPOILER= ]
[QUOTE=Oberon;919642]
I think based on Ozy’s fencesitting this game he could easily be the scum with SuperJack. I’ve thought of bakermir as well but I don’t think that really makes sense. The strongest argument against bakermir is his lack of activity and he does that every game. The only person he could conceivably be scum with is Ozy or if I’m really stretching it, Numbertwo
[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#DFE0E0"]The next read[B][U]s[/U][/B] on baker from Oberon, right after this one, is suddenly baker being SJ's partner. Don't ever say that flip flopping is Oberon's Town Meta. :laugh:[/COLOR]
[/SPOILER]
[HR][/HR]
Reads from Oberon are quite diverse:
[LIST]
[*]Constantly Townreading frost.
[*]Constantly Scumreading baker.
[*]Constantly changing reads on Numbertwo, sometimes back to back to back.
[/LIST]
The reads towards frost feel the most natural [I](the one exception is the one scumread)[/I] while the read towards numbertwo feel the least natural.
Even though neither Numbertwo nor frost have had any reads on Oberon, their ISO's are entirely different. Frost has had minimal interaction with Oberon while Numbertwo has had it almost exclusively while supporting his push on SJ, which in turn makes him having no read on Oberon very strange.
Interactions with Oberon in baker's ISO feel the most natural, and he also is the only one with reads oO
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Reads between Oberon and #2/baker/fb
Spoiler : #2 :
Spoiler : Oberon on #2 :
Originally Posted by Oberon (D1)
Oh I Forgot Numbertwo Existed
(Not really a read, I know, but interesting nonetheless)
Originally Posted by Oberon (D1)
Also The Meta Is NumberTwo Is Always Scum
Originally Posted by Oberon
I think based on Ozy’s fencesitting this game he could easily be the scum with SuperJack. I’ve thought of bakermir as well but I don’t think that really makes sense. The strongest argument against bakermir is his lack of activity and he does that every game. The only person he could conceivably be scum with is Ozy or if I’m really stretching it, Numbertwo
Originally Posted by Oberon
More wishy washy could be anything bullshit. This must be second scum.
Originally Posted by Oberon
Because NumberTwo is literally being Numbertwo and ignoring the game like he usually does as town
When he's scum he's more sarcastic
Originally Posted by Oberon
there. but I don't think numbertwo is town. BUT, if he were town, that would be the reason.
(Why this immediate contradiction to his previous post?)
Originally Posted by Oberon
numbertwo hasn't been sarcastic this game if you can't tell that you're scum
(Why this immediate contradiction to his previous post?)
Spoiler : #2 on Oberon :
None Existent
ISO is, mostly, all interaction with Oberon while supporting his push on SJ. Which makes the none existent reads on Oberon strange to say the least.
Spoiler : baker :
Spoiler : Oberon on baker :
Originally Posted by Oberon (D1)
I'd be very tempted to scumread the people 'in the middle' so to speak, who started softing afterwards. Someone like... Bakermir. His post about what he would do if he were X role reeks of rolehunting
Originally Posted by Oberon
Excellent, here’s 2nd scum.
Originally Posted by Oberon
I think based on Ozy’s fencesitting this game he could easily be the scum with SuperJack. I’ve thought of bakermir as well but I don’t think that really makes sense. The strongest argument against bakermir is his lack of activity and he does that every game. The only person he could conceivably be scum with is Ozy or if I’m really stretching it, Numbertwo
Originally Posted by Oberon to SJ
You let your scum partner bakermir vote Numbrtwo in opposition to my lynch or MM’s lynch (which puts you at a disadvantage). So now your only hope is for people to lynch someone other than yourself, myself or MM because that would out you
Originally Posted by Oberon to SJ
Bakermir is doing exactly what your scum partner should be doing
Originally Posted by Oberon
and here he is doing EXACTLY what I said he was doing. are people really going to fall for this shit?
Spoiler : baker on Oberon :
Originally Posted by bakermir
Oberon at times gave me partner-y vibes in interactions between OberonxMMxMike. It felt like Oberon/MM could be partners playin a good cop/bad cop vs mike but then Mike was townreading oberon on second thought, it all felt so unreal but now mike's flip tells me I wouldn't vote Oberon today. So if Oberon is not mafia then MM could be town too?
Originally Posted by bakermir
beron is a potential partner to MM and if they are town then it makes SJ mafia here.
Originally Posted by bakermir
I am totally okay with following your game plan so far. I don't see any harm to town. This doesn't mean I trust you over Oberon 100%. I think Oberon might be telling the truth here and you are not but I can't know that
Originally Posted by bakermir
Oberon's potential partner range:
MM
NumberTwo
Not a read per se, but interesting.
Originally Posted by bakermir to SJ about Oberon+MM
i don't know. it always felt like they are
In the ISO, the thoughts surrounding Oberon (and most others for that matter) are mostly not concrete reads but rather thoughts about scenarios.
Feels mostly game solvy attitude to me.
Spoiler : fb :
Spoiler : Oberon on fb :
Originally Posted by Oberon (D1)
also frostbyte is doing the abrasive thing again so hes town
Originally Posted by Oberon
Nah I wont let you vote FrostByte. FrostByte is probably the other PR or something. Don’t feed the troll.
Originally Posted by Oberon
FB is litwrally playing his town meta to a T, I ain’t lynching him you Filthy Aristocrat!
Originally Posted by Oberon to SJ
I’m also not 100% on FB being town because the claims you made regarding frostbyte are very weak IMO and I don’t buy you were softing FB as your target.
Spoiler : fb on Oberon :
None Existent
However, in contrast to NumberTwo's ISO - fb has had minimal interaction with Oberon.
Most interesting post, from Oberon, with reads on me+baker+#2, for me personally is:
Spoiler : :
Originally Posted by Oberon
I think based on Ozy’s fencesitting this game he could easily be the scum with SuperJack. I’ve thought of bakermir as well but I don’t think that really makes sense. The strongest argument against bakermir is his lack of activity and he does that every game. The only person he could conceivably be scum with is Ozy or if I’m really stretching it, Numbertwo
The next reads on baker from Oberon, right after this one, is suddenly baker being SJ's partner. Don't ever say that flip flopping is Oberon's Town Meta.
Reads from Oberon are quite diverse:
Constantly Townreading frost.
Constantly Scumreading baker.
Constantly changing reads on Numbertwo, sometimes back to back to back.
The reads towards frost feel the most natural (the one exception is the one scumread) while the read towards numbertwo feel the least natural.
Interractions comments
Even though neither Numbertwo nor frost have had any reads on Oberon, their ISO's are entirely different. Frost has had minimal interaction with Oberon while Numbertwo has had it almost exclusively while supporting his push on SJ, which in turn makes him having no read on Oberon very strange.
Interactions with Oberon in baker's ISO feel the most natural, and he also is the only one with reads oO
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[QUOTE=FrostByte;919664]You're not serious with this, are you?
You don't get to tell someone to pay more attention and then completely neglect to read SuperJack answering this exact same fucking question earlier in the thread.
It's also OK to admit you were wrong when you said something. You don't ALWAYS have to dive into deep semantics and mental gymnastics to seem right.
You called MM scum because he was scum painting, that implies that scum painting is scummy, full stop, period, bottom line, end of story, you were wrong and that's OK because you're human and we're all at least a little wrong all the time now calm the fuck down[/QUOTE]
Truth hurts.
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Originally Posted by FrostByte
You're not serious with this, are you?
You don't get to tell someone to pay more attention and then completely neglect to read SuperJack answering this exact same fucking question earlier in the thread.
It's also OK to admit you were wrong when you said something. You don't ALWAYS have to dive into deep semantics and mental gymnastics to seem right.
You called MM scum because he was scum painting, that implies that scum painting is scummy, full stop, period, bottom line, end of story, you were wrong and that's OK because you're human and we're all at least a little wrong all the time now calm the fuck down
Sorry, Efe. But this is pile of horse poop.
MM and Mag to be scums together here would be just so bad, and 2 with Baker can't be together purely mechanically. :facepalm:[/QUOTE]
You are horse poop
I know MM and Mag are capable of doing scum vs scum so they can sacrifice themselves to make the other one hard town
Originally Posted by WhoIsEfekannn02AndOzyTeam
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Sorry, Efe. But this is pile of horse poop.
MM and Mag to be scums together here would be just so bad, and 2 with Baker can't be together purely mechanically.
You are horse poop
I know MM and Mag are capable of doing scum vs scum so they can sacrifice themselves to make the other one hard town
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[QUOTE=Oberon;919654]I have but given the way SuperJack is playing I find it extremely unlikely. If he flips town I will be mindfucked beyond belief at his play here... [COLOR="#0000FF"]baiting mafia to randomly claim they visited Mike and then ‘retracting’ his real check are not things a town would do[/COLOR]. it just seems so illogical lol[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#0000FF"]Why not?[/COLOR]
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Originally Posted by Oberon
I have but given the way SuperJack is playing I find it extremely unlikely. If he flips town I will be mindfucked beyond belief at his play here... baiting mafia to randomly claim they visited Mike and then ‘retracting’ his real check are not things a town would do. it just seems so illogical lol
Marshmallow Marshall - NAI (His play reminds me of the scummy MM alot but since I havent played for months I cant really read him... YET)
Oberon - NAI (same as MM)
FrostByte - Town (too antitown to be scum)
bakermir - NAI (I like his posts it could make him easily town in my book but he stands out too much in a sense of if he is mafia he could technically vote on anything and not get suspected on it)
Numbertwo - If he is a lurker screw you he is scum... if he forgot this game existed then im gonna townread him... if he responds to this with "Hey I actually forgot this FM existed" im gonna scumread him because he is indirectly lying and actually lurking because no one would read Efekannn02 Posts and take them serious
SuperJack - Town (SuperJack is epic and reminds me of Doctor Who)
I can imagine a MM + Magoroth team in this kind of scale knowing what they can get away with in previous games
but I would prefer to imagine one of them having a team with Bakermir or NumberTwo
Worst Case Scenario would be NumberTwo and Bakermir together[/QUOTE]
Sorry, Efe. But this is pile of horse poop.
MM and Mag to be scums together here would be just so bad, and 2 with Baker can't be together purely mechanically. :facepalm:
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Originally Posted by WhoIsEfekannn02AndOzyTeam
Current Readlist:
Marshmallow Marshall - NAI (His play reminds me of the scummy MM alot but since I havent played for months I cant really read him... YET)
Oberon - NAI (same as MM)
FrostByte - Town (too antitown to be scum)
bakermir - NAI (I like his posts it could make him easily town in my book but he stands out too much in a sense of if he is mafia he could technically vote on anything and not get suspected on it)
Numbertwo - If he is a lurker screw you he is scum... if he forgot this game existed then im gonna townread him... if he responds to this with "Hey I actually forgot this FM existed" im gonna scumread him because he is indirectly lying and actually lurking because no one would read Efekannn02 Posts and take them serious
SuperJack - Town (SuperJack is epic and reminds me of Doctor Who)
I can imagine a MM + Magoroth team in this kind of scale knowing what they can get away with in previous games
but I would prefer to imagine one of them having a team with Bakermir or NumberTwo
Worst Case Scenario would be NumberTwo and Bakermir together
Sorry, Efe. But this is pile of horse poop.
MM and Mag to be scums together here would be just so bad, and 2 with Baker can't be together purely mechanically.
[QUOTE=Oberon;919636]so now that you’ve been called out on it FrostByte is actually non-visiting?? =P
this is scummy rofl. literally efe-level play where you immediately crack[/QUOTE]
Lmao
Originally Posted by Oberon
so now that you’ve been called out on it FrostByte is actually non-visiting?? =P
this is scummy rofl. literally efe-level play where you immediately crack
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[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;919576][COLOR="#FF0000"]You've literally quoted this post:[/COLOR]
[COLOR="#FF0000"]and then claim I have "avoided" the topic? Tsk tsk tsk. I don't believe it :P[/COLOR]
[/QUOTE]
Yeah, that was my bad and I apologize. I later saw you talked about -skip and I didn't correct myself. However - that skip thing plays such a little part of my read on you, it's frankly irrelevant to me.
[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;919576]As for the part about my read on you: What you posted didn't look like it was meant to get information from Mag for the sake of reads accuracy, but rather to make him look scummy. I was absolutely not saying in any way that you were scummy for asking about reasons for a skip vote, and my post was not ambiguous. I was saying you were scummy because you weren't truly asking him, but rather scumpainting him for his stance (that is what the tone of your post indicates). This, added to my gut scumread on Efe, gets pretty bad, so yes, I'm throwing you into scum hell. That isn't really an "overreaction", though, and the fact you're painting it as one is... an overreaction :D.
[/QUOTE]
A quick reminder that you had full intent of lynching me for pressuring someone to give their reasoning for wanting to skip.
You say that's not what I did? Cool. Can you give some rational-looking reasoning for why you'd think that?
As I've said before, you're uncharismatically irrational there.
[QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;919576]Excuse me, out-of-nowhere tunnel? [COLOR="#FF8C00"]I have addressed many others and expressed reads on them[/COLOR]. You haven't even tried to "talk to me" about the post you so hated before, you are straight up calling me a massive tunneler while I did not even put much weight into my post. I didn't even expect a strong reaction to it lol. You're blowing this WAY out of proportion.
damn this name lol[/QUOTE]
[COLOR="#FF8C00"]You mean your first impression gut reads? Ok...[/COLOR]
I didn't try to talk to you? I was waiting until EoD for you to show up so we could have a discourse. It was you who didn't show up.
Don't you think it's funny that, given the tone and content of that post of yours and that you didn't come back, one might assume that you had a full intent of lyching me. Yet here you are saying that [B]I[/B] didn't try to talk to [B]you[/B], lol. BS.
What I mean by an overreaction is you, after having nothing but a few gut reads all D1 long, comes #156. You expect me to believe you're trying to game solve there? Lol, BS.
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Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
You've literally quoted this post:
and then claim I have "avoided" the topic? Tsk tsk tsk. I don't believe it :P
Yeah, that was my bad and I apologize. I later saw you talked about -skip and I didn't correct myself. However - that skip thing plays such a little part of my read on you, it's frankly irrelevant to me.
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
As for the part about my read on you: What you posted didn't look like it was meant to get information from Mag for the sake of reads accuracy, but rather to make him look scummy. I was absolutely not saying in any way that you were scummy for asking about reasons for a skip vote, and my post was not ambiguous. I was saying you were scummy because you weren't truly asking him, but rather scumpainting him for his stance (that is what the tone of your post indicates). This, added to my gut scumread on Efe, gets pretty bad, so yes, I'm throwing you into scum hell. That isn't really an "overreaction", though, and the fact you're painting it as one is... an overreaction .
A quick reminder that you had full intent of lynching me for pressuring someone to give their reasoning for wanting to skip.
You say that's not what I did? Cool. Can you give some rational-looking reasoning for why you'd think that?
As I've said before, you're uncharismatically irrational there.
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
Excuse me, out-of-nowhere tunnel? I have addressed many others and expressed reads on them. You haven't even tried to "talk to me" about the post you so hated before, you are straight up calling me a massive tunneler while I did not even put much weight into my post. I didn't even expect a strong reaction to it lol. You're blowing this WAY out of proportion.
damn this name lol
You mean your first impression gut reads? Ok...
I didn't try to talk to you? I was waiting until EoD for you to show up so we could have a discourse. It was you who didn't show up.
Don't you think it's funny that, given the tone and content of that post of yours and that you didn't come back, one might assume that you had a full intent of lyching me. Yet here you are saying that I didn't try to talk to you, lol. BS.
What I mean by an overreaction is you, after having nothing but a few gut reads all D1 long, comes #156. You expect me to believe you're trying to game solve there? Lol, BS.
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[QUOTE=SuperJack;919555]Hey Frosty and Orbmag. Do you think Bake could make this post as a scum?[/QUOTE]
That is NAI imo. What is Town Indicative imo is this:
[QUOTE=bakermir;919563]I am totally okay with following your game plan so far. I don't see any harm to town. This doesn't mean I trust you over Oberon 100%. I think Oberon might be telling the truth here and you are not but I can't know that [COLOR="#EE82EE"]¯\_(ツ)_/¯[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
That would be such a strange post for a Scum to make, imo.
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Originally Posted by SuperJack
Hey Frosty and Orbmag. Do you think Bake could make this post as a scum?
That is NAI imo. What is Town Indicative imo is this:
Originally Posted by bakermir
I am totally okay with following your game plan so far. I don't see any harm to town. This doesn't mean I trust you over Oberon 100%. I think Oberon might be telling the truth here and you are not but I can't know that ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That would be such a strange post for a Scum to make, imo.
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[QUOTE=SuperJack;919535]I'm not a Sheriff frosty. Im a Detective. My check isn't guaranteed to be Red. See how Obe is heavily defending you, thinking I'm going to lynch you today. Yet also claim I'm going to lynch Oberon's because they assumed I followed them.
If you are his scum partner I would laugh so hard.
You're not voting, you have shit or non reads, you avoided discussion until you where put into the spot light.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=SuperJack;919594]I hard claim Detective.
I followed Frosty last night.
They didn't visit anyone so I am assuming them a Citizen.
I never followed "you" but we know "you" visited Mike and will probably claim "TPR". This is why I never directly said a name or engaged into any deeper discussion about the claim and talked over people.
This has resulted in Oberons immediate claim reaction and MM's later TPR claim. This means that Oberon or MM is certainly scum.
The question is now who to lynch. I'm more inclined to lynch Oberon because of their reaction. Yet I'm not ignoring the fact that there is a possibility that MM could be scum. But the most likely and logical and statistical answer is Oberon's
[Vote]Oberon[/vote][/QUOTE]
Why, if you checked FB and he visited nobody, did you think he might be scum earlier in the day?
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Originally Posted by SuperJack
I'm not a Sheriff frosty. Im a Detective. My check isn't guaranteed to be Red. See how Obe is heavily defending you, thinking I'm going to lynch you today. Yet also claim I'm going to lynch Oberon's because they assumed I followed them.
If you are his scum partner I would laugh so hard.
You're not voting, you have shit or non reads, you avoided discussion until you where put into the spot light.
Originally Posted by SuperJack
I hard claim Detective.
I followed Frosty last night.
They didn't visit anyone so I am assuming them a Citizen.
I never followed "you" but we know "you" visited Mike and will probably claim "TPR". This is why I never directly said a name or engaged into any deeper discussion about the claim and talked over people.
This has resulted in Oberons immediate claim reaction and MM's later TPR claim. This means that Oberon or MM is certainly scum.
The question is now who to lynch. I'm more inclined to lynch Oberon because of their reaction. Yet I'm not ignoring the fact that there is a possibility that MM could be scum. But the most likely and logical and statistical answer is Oberon's
-vote Oberon
Why, if you checked FB and he visited nobody, did you think he might be scum earlier in the day?
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[QUOTE=FrostByte;919528]Lack of activity on MM's part doesn't constitute scum. He's a busy dude, the last few games he's been working super hard to be able to contribute at all. Saying it's scummy for him not to be on at EoD means you should pay attention to his town EoD absence meta.
I have read the thread 3 times now and I still think you're OMGUSing[/QUOTE]
Saying I'm saying that it's [B]always[/B] scummy for him not to be on at EoD means you should pay more attention to what I'm saying. I'm talking about the specific context in the game.
Just curious, but could you elaborate on that OMGUS idea? What form of OMGUS are you thinking of? Because the purest form of OMGUS is town indicative, and I doubt you talking about this:
[QUOTE]The natural subconscious reaction to a player accusing you of being scum when you are town is to view them as scum. This is because you know with certainty that you are Town and that if you were to be correctly read it should be identifiable. Your mind catastrophizes the interaction and jumps to the conclusion that the other player must therefore be scum. But this is not true for the Mafia alignment. They know that they are scum and they know that the player accusing them is town.[/QUOTE]
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Originally Posted by FrostByte
Lack of activity on MM's part doesn't constitute scum. He's a busy dude, the last few games he's been working super hard to be able to contribute at all. Saying it's scummy for him not to be on at EoD means you should pay attention to his town EoD absence meta.
I have read the thread 3 times now and I still think you're OMGUSing
Saying I'm saying that it's always scummy for him not to be on at EoD means you should pay more attention to what I'm saying. I'm talking about the specific context in the game.
Just curious, but could you elaborate on that OMGUS idea? What form of OMGUS are you thinking of? Because the purest form of OMGUS is town indicative, and I doubt you talking about this:
The natural subconscious reaction to a player accusing you of being scum when you are town is to view them as scum. This is because you know with certainty that you are Town and that if you were to be correctly read it should be identifiable. Your mind catastrophizes the interaction and jumps to the conclusion that the other player must therefore be scum. But this is not true for the Mafia alignment. They know that they are scum and they know that the player accusing them is town.
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[QUOTE=SuperJack;919595]For Oberon to of rolled sheriff these thing need to of happened.
Oberon rolled sheriff.
Scum rolled a Framer.
Both Framer and Oberon have to of visited me.[/QUOTE]
[I](This reminds me of an interesting video: [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-vUSQMqyOo[/url] )[/I]
To get this straight, there are 3 perspectives here:
1. SJ is town and either Oberon or MM is scum.
2. Oberon is town and either SJ or MM is scum.
3. MM is town and either Oberon or SJ is scum.
For MM to be scum, it would have to be specifically the framer scenario.
For Oberon to be Scum, he'd have to be GF exactly.
Either SJ or Oberon being Scum, they'd have to go for a bad plan.
Does that about sum it up?
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Originally Posted by SuperJack
For Oberon to of rolled sheriff these thing need to of happened.
Oberon rolled sheriff.
Scum rolled a Framer.
Both Framer and Oberon have to of visited me.
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[QUOTE=SuperJack;919514]Want to know something?
A real good town sheriff with a red check on me would of waited to see who I would claim is Mafia. Because if they thought my intention was to mislynch, this would of been a huge piece of information and quite possibly solve the game.[/QUOTE][QUOTE=Marshmallow Marshall;919583]Yep, it's a bad plan, but not [I]too[/I] bad since it can be recanted and dismissed as a failed town gambit. On the other hand, scum!Oberon's plan would be completely [I]retarded[/I], because there's no way out of it; nobody would believe a recant now.[/QUOTE]
It's funny that you're both correct and in either case, [MENTION=45595]Oberon[/MENTION] - you bad. :laugh:
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Originally Posted by SuperJack
Want to know something?
A real good town sheriff with a red check on me would of waited to see who I would claim is Mafia. Because if they thought my intention was to mislynch, this would of been a huge piece of information and quite possibly solve the game.
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
Yep, it's a bad plan, but not too bad since it can be recanted and dismissed as a failed town gambit. On the other hand, scum!Oberon's plan would be completely retarded, because there's no way out of it; nobody would believe a recant now.
It's funny that you're both correct and in either case,
@Oberon
- you bad.
Marshmallow Marshall - NAI (His play reminds me of the scummy MM alot but since I havent played for months I cant really read him... YET)
Oberon - NAI (same as MM)
FrostByte - Town (too antitown to be scum)
bakermir - NAI (I like his posts it could make him easily town in my book but he stands out too much in a sense of if he is mafia he could technically vote on anything and not get suspected on it)
Numbertwo - If he is a lurker screw you he is scum... if he forgot this game existed then im gonna townread him... if he responds to this with "Hey I actually forgot this FM existed" im gonna scumread him because he is indirectly lying and actually lurking because no one would read Efekannn02 Posts and take them serious
SuperJack - Town (SuperJack is epic and reminds me of Doctor Who)
I can imagine a MM + Magoroth team in this kind of scale knowing what they can get away with in previous games
but I would prefer to imagine one of them having a team with Bakermir or NumberTwo
Worst Case Scenario would be NumberTwo and Bakermir together
Current Readlist:
Marshmallow Marshall - NAI (His play reminds me of the scummy MM alot but since I havent played for months I cant really read him... YET)
Oberon - NAI (same as MM)
FrostByte - Town (too antitown to be scum)
bakermir - NAI (I like his posts it could make him easily town in my book but he stands out too much in a sense of if he is mafia he could technically vote on anything and not get suspected on it)
Numbertwo - If he is a lurker screw you he is scum... if he forgot this game existed then im gonna townread him... if he responds to this with "Hey I actually forgot this FM existed" im gonna scumread him because he is indirectly lying and actually lurking because no one would read Efekannn02 Posts and take them serious
SuperJack - Town (SuperJack is epic and reminds me of Doctor Who)
I can imagine a MM + Magoroth team in this kind of scale knowing what they can get away with in previous games
but I would prefer to imagine one of them having a team with Bakermir or NumberTwo
Worst Case Scenario would be NumberTwo and Bakermir together
[QUOTE=WhoIsEfekannn02AndOzyTeam;919565]I like SuperJack
I dont like FrostByte
I dont like Oberon
I dont like Marshmallow Marshall
I like Bakermir
I like Ozy
Those arent my reads im just saying who I like and who I dont[/QUOTE]
Also Y'all Total Nullreads For Me
SuperJack Seems To Be Acting The Towniest Out Of You Though
I Want To Policy Lynch FrostByte But Because Of The Sole Fact That I Want To Policy Lynch Him Kinda Makes Him Town Because out of my own experience the line "If you are openly anti town like crazy you should be town" is very accurate but ofcourse he could be doing that intentionally to be townread so I prefer your guys's insight on it
With the amount of lurkers I recommend trying to focus on who could be town than who could be scum because all in all this could be all just town vs town at this point I mean its Day 2 and we just got to page 6 with barely any info and all we are doing is accusing the current active players
We havent heard anything from NumberTwo and MM yet
Anywayways
I prefer not to lynch SuperJack and Frosty at all costs especially Superjack but I would still wish to lynch Frosty
Originally Posted by WhoIsEfekannn02AndOzyTeam
I like SuperJack
I dont like FrostByte
I dont like Oberon
I dont like Marshmallow Marshall
I like Bakermir
I like Ozy
Those arent my reads im just saying who I like and who I dont
Also Y'all Total Nullreads For Me
SuperJack Seems To Be Acting The Towniest Out Of You Though
I Want To Policy Lynch FrostByte But Because Of The Sole Fact That I Want To Policy Lynch Him Kinda Makes Him Town Because out of my own experience the line "If you are openly anti town like crazy you should be town" is very accurate but ofcourse he could be doing that intentionally to be townread so I prefer your guys's insight on it
With the amount of lurkers I recommend trying to focus on who could be town than who could be scum because all in all this could be all just town vs town at this point I mean its Day 2 and we just got to page 6 with barely any info and all we are doing is accusing the current active players
We havent heard anything from NumberTwo and MM yet
Anywayways
I prefer not to lynch SuperJack and Frosty at all costs especially Superjack but I would still wish to lynch Frosty
[QUOTE=FrostByte;919527]This right here is implying that scumpainting is scummy[/QUOTE]
It's referring to "scum painting" in it's [B]purest[/B] form. It even says so.
I shouldn't have to explain everything self-explanatory. -_-
Originally Posted by FrostByte
This right here is implying that scumpainting is scummy
It's referring to "scum painting" in it's purest form. It even says so.
I shouldn't have to explain everything self-explanatory.
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[QUOTE=FrostByte;919507]interesting how you scum paint MM, say scum painting is scummy, then agree with me when I basically say the exact same thing he said[/QUOTE] I didn't say "scum painting is scummy".
I agreed with you when you said it's not always scummy and I gave specific example of a case when it IS scummy. Don't twist my words. The only thing you "say the same as him" is about the skip.
Scum painting someone few hours before EoD, voting them, and then never coming online again. If you disagree that it's scummy, tell me how. If you disagree that it was scum painting, quote my given reasonings on D1 and tell me where you disagree.
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Originally Posted by FrostByte
interesting how you scum paint MM, say scum painting is scummy, then agree with me when I basically say the exact same thing he said
I didn't say "scum painting is scummy".
I agreed with you when you said it's not always scummy and I gave specific example of a case when it IS scummy. Don't twist my words. The only thing you "say the same as him" is about the skip.
Scum painting someone few hours before EoD, voting them, and then never coming online again. If you disagree that it's scummy, tell me how. If you disagree that it was scum painting, quote my given reasonings on D1 and tell me where you disagree.
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[QUOTE=FrostByte;919504]tbh this looks like OMGUS[/QUOTE]
Did you read D1 fully? I'd hope I wouldn't have to copy paste my full opinions about 156 so that some lazy fool doesn't ignore them later on and reads other post out of context.
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Originally Posted by FrostByte
tbh this looks like OMGUS
Did you read D1 fully? I'd hope I wouldn't have to copy paste my full opinions about 156 so that some lazy fool doesn't ignore them later on and reads other post out of context.
True also about the 2nd paragraph, but not when you don't show up for the rest of the day after a post like that. Like what? I would get mislynched and he would say he just pressured me or something? Screw that.
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Originally Posted by FrostByte
Except MM is right about the setup, skipping isn't always inherently scummy.
True also about the 2nd paragraph, but not when you don't show up for the rest of the day after a post like that. Like what? I would get mislynched and he would say he just pressured me or something? Screw that.
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[QUOTE=SuperJack;919497]We can save that until everyone has checked in and participated. First I want you, if you believe I'm scum, to propose my plan and who my scum partner would be.
Everyone else should also put in their say also.
This way, the first half of the day the scum still have to act that they don't know what's really going on and potentially post content that exposes them. I see no reason to waste the day just exposing one scum, when we get 2 of them exposed. I want to see who distants, who crafts artificial reactions and opinions.[/QUOTE]
Asking who your partner could be, when over half the players nearly didn't participate in the game D1 at all, is bad.
Assuming you're Mafia,
If you planned D2 mislynch from start of D1, by fake claiming Detective, you should have fought harder against a D1 skip because that plan would purely rely on having a D1 mislynch. Also, you could have just not done this given the D1 skip would force you to rely on a framer appeal if you wanted to survive D3.
In light of that, I can fairly conclusively say that it'd be a bad plan (or it's execution).
[MENTION=45595]Oberon[/MENTION]
How did you decide on checking SJ, just curious.
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Originally Posted by SuperJack
We can save that until everyone has checked in and participated. First I want you, if you believe I'm scum, to propose my plan and who my scum partner would be.
Everyone else should also put in their say also.
This way, the first half of the day the scum still have to act that they don't know what's really going on and potentially post content that exposes them. I see no reason to waste the day just exposing one scum, when we get 2 of them exposed. I want to see who distants, who crafts artificial reactions and opinions.
Asking who your partner could be, when over half the players nearly didn't participate in the game D1 at all, is bad.
Assuming you're Mafia,
If you planned D2 mislynch from start of D1, by fake claiming Detective, you should have fought harder against a D1 skip because that plan would purely rely on having a D1 mislynch. Also, you could have just not done this given the D1 skip would force you to rely on a framer appeal if you wanted to survive D3.
In light of that, I can fairly conclusively say that it'd be a bad plan (or it's execution).
@Oberon
How did you decide on checking SJ, just curious.
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[QUOTE=SuperJack;919473]Cool. I have great feedback from last night.
I will give you to halfway through this day to claim why you visited Mike. There is a good chance you are Mafia, but I also would not be surprised if you are the other TPR and visited Mike because of his gambit.
You know who you are. If nothin is shown after the first half of the day I will take it that you are just Hard claiming scum.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Oberon;919482]Sheriff here. SuperJack is mafia. Lynch.
[vote]SuperJack[/vote][/QUOTE]
Did someone get framed?
Fact of the matter is that only one slot could've been framed, but we have 2 claims. So one must be right no matter what.
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Originally Posted by SuperJack
Cool. I have great feedback from last night.
I will give you to halfway through this day to claim why you visited Mike. There is a good chance you are Mafia, but I also would not be surprised if you are the other TPR and visited Mike because of his gambit.
You know who you are. If nothin is shown after the first half of the day I will take it that you are just Hard claiming scum.
Originally Posted by Oberon
Sheriff here. SuperJack is mafia. Lynch.
-vote SuperJack
Did someone get framed?
Fact of the matter is that only one slot could've been framed, but we have 2 claims. So one must be right no matter what.
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[QUOTE=SuperJack;919473]Cool. I have great feedback from last night.
I will give you to halfway through this day to claim why you visited Mike. There is a good chance you are Mafia, but I also would not be surprised if you are the other TPR and visited Mike because of his gambit.
You know who you are. If nothin is shown after the first half of the day I will take it that you are just Hard claiming scum.[/QUOTE]
LOL, gg ez. :laugh:
Btw SJ, plz honor my request. I would really like your input about 156. I honestly see it as blatant scum painting.
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Originally Posted by SuperJack
Cool. I have great feedback from last night.
I will give you to halfway through this day to claim why you visited Mike. There is a good chance you are Mafia, but I also would not be surprised if you are the other TPR and visited Mike because of his gambit.
You know who you are. If nothin is shown after the first half of the day I will take it that you are just Hard claiming scum.
LOL, gg ez.
Btw SJ, plz honor my request. I would really like your input about 156. I honestly see it as blatant scum painting.
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Ehh.. who's surprised about that NK? Answer: none
I would like it everyone could give their reads and opinions on #[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/48239-S-FM-324-Stay-Classy-(8P)?p=919371&viewfull=1#post919371"]156[/URL].
My opinion hasn't changed, and the fact that he didn't even come online afterwards - means it wasn't some reaction test or anything like that. It's pure scum painting in my book.
[VOTE]Marshmallow Marshall[/VOTE]
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Ehh.. who's surprised about that NK? Answer: none
I would like it everyone could give their reads and opinions on #156.
My opinion hasn't changed, and the fact that he didn't even come online afterwards - means it wasn't some reaction test or anything like that. It's pure scum painting in my book.
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Relying on PR's and skipping D1 for the 2nd game in a row.
What would people do if skipping wasn't allowed? What would people do if they played a all-vanilla game? :laugh:
Honestly, we have way way more content than the previous game. This skip isn't right.
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Relying on PR's and skipping D1 for the 2nd game in a row.
What would people do if skipping wasn't allowed? What would people do if they played a all-vanilla game?
Honestly, we have way way more content than the previous game. This skip isn't right.
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[QUOTE=Mike;919404]Reaction checks s your answer and to be honest Been very busy. But honestly I am still feeling MM has high chance of being mafia and Oberon is always scummy it is who he is but I still stand behind he is Town. I can be wrong on both but I dont believe so.
I am sorry to the rest of you so being so absent this game. RL and all.
and Hell I even scum read myself knowing I am town. because I have not even read the whole game yet. The reads on MM and oberon are basised off there first few posts only.
My point is. up to this post to not take my read to heart as they are gut reads as of now. Also reaction checks.
One person I like right now is the Hybrid the fact That I told him to bring this up before EOD and he did tells me he is truly wanting answers not just scum painting but truly trying to figure out my alignment
People I would not lynch today (this may change after i get caught up) is everyone but MM.[/QUOTE]
Is there absolutely nobody here who plays with anything else than their gut? -_-
[I]"The gastrointestinal tract, is the tract from the [COLOR="#FF8C00"]mouth to the anus[/COLOR] which includes all the organs of the digestive system in humans and other animals"[/I]
[COLOR="#FF8C00"]It means that, apart from my humble self and SJ, every read on this D1 has come from the anus out of the mouth.[/COLOR]
Good times.
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Originally Posted by Mike
Reaction checks s your answer and to be honest Been very busy. But honestly I am still feeling MM has high chance of being mafia and Oberon is always scummy it is who he is but I still stand behind he is Town. I can be wrong on both but I dont believe so.
I am sorry to the rest of you so being so absent this game. RL and all.
and Hell I even scum read myself knowing I am town. because I have not even read the whole game yet. The reads on MM and oberon are basised off there first few posts only.
My point is. up to this post to not take my read to heart as they are gut reads as of now. Also reaction checks.
One person I like right now is the Hybrid the fact That I told him to bring this up before EOD and he did tells me he is truly wanting answers not just scum painting but truly trying to figure out my alignment
People I would not lynch today (this may change after i get caught up) is everyone but MM.
Is there absolutely nobody here who plays with anything else than their gut?
"The gastrointestinal tract, is the tract from the mouth to the anus which includes all the organs of the digestive system in humans and other animals"
It means that, apart from my humble self and SJ, every read on this D1 has come from the anus out of the mouth.
Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall
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