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    ►►Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang◄◄

    Will read over this again, @Marshmallow Marshall are you going to crunch the numbers on this one?
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    ►►Re: S-FM Fractured Whizzbang◄◄

    Hey hey, good to see youre trying your hand at hosting. Having somewhat quickly read through your setup, i made a list of things that you might need to clarify further, or consider interactions on, so that it makes staff balancing life a little easier.

    First, but also least pressing, is 'solider'. Is this intentional misspelling as it appears multiple times through the post?

    The RP indicates that the defectors wish to blow up the tunnel and the allies are avoiding it, but you have the ability for the allies to detonate and the defectors to diffuse? confused as to why the agendas are swapped in the descriptions vs the flavour text.

    Does allied tunneler invulnerability, which is predicated on soldier counts, come under the rule of killed through immunity from marksman raider

    With roles not being revealed, how is the status of the allied tunneler invulnerability disclosed. Is the AT informed when he/she loses their status?

    Might want to reconsider vigi (light raider) having unlimited kills given the already exceptionally high KPN potential in this setup (a future point)

    Armoured raider team kill potential is high given the ability to kill when both themselves or their target is visited, possibly revist this mechanic

    How does armoured raider ability 1 play out if the AR's target is a player with a night action who then visits the armoured raider?

    How does the 'stand in the way' ability 2 work, genuinely a bit confused here. Potential rewording? (also i think you mean 'can only take one attack' over 'you cant take one attack'. Still confused about how this ability targets, and what feedback is provided.

    Scum team has a night kill, will they be able to decide which of the two of them is sent to perform the night kill. Will this night kill consume their night action, stopping them from performing their regular night action?

    Leader of defectors cant be lynched while German tunneler is alive, how does this feedback present if target is voted to be lynched at EoD

    LoD can put through a message once per day/night. Does this imply they can submit during both the day and night phase, or only once for a total passed day? (need to clarify/reword this ability.)

    German tunneler name potentially changed to avoid confusion with Allied faction vs allied in terms of alliance. Use defector instead?

    How is feedback provided for targets that have had a time grenade planted on them? Are they informed at all, or what time limit is imposed on them? (Personally i would leave the kill to trigger at eod as it may discourage targetted player from contributing that day)

    Tunneler can also investigate? There seems to be a lot of scum sided investigation coupled with a high KPN and a lot of hidden information for town which seems like it needs a rebalance.

    Tunneler cant check and grenade same night, but doesnt specify restrictions on defusing and checking simultaneously? is this intentional? Could tunneler be able to perform the mafia night kill, check someones role, and also diffuse the bomb all in one night?

    Rank and file raider just seems to feed into more of the agenda of mass missinformation/no information for town and seems overkill at this point.

    Marksman is not aware of who his teammates are. Are his teammates informed of who he is?

    Can marksman be unknowingly sent to perform the mafia night kill on behalf of the scum team and how does feedback work in regards to this if possible?

    Marksman also has a day kill ability? The KPN in this game is already exceptionally high, and now the KPD is too, this seems quite imbalanced (havnt actually crunched the numbers, just a cursory eval)

    Irish volunteer grenade kill just seems like a cluster fuck and has the ability to massively skew game balance depending on who he targets, especially when you consider the interactions that would occur with the bodyguard role. This one might need to be reworked entirely, or the BG.

    Other general notes, this game seems to play a lot like the mod, with a lot of kill potentials. Generally forum games are more paced and information isnt overwhelming and players arent being killed en masse. I would consider toning down the kill potentials by quite a degree.

    You might also like to take the time to write out a list of feedback quotes that will be provided for each role for each action for each interaction they have, same with day and night effects. Not only will this help with you being able to convey the specifics of these roles and their interactions more clearly, but it helps all the players better understand ingame mechanics and what has occured on each night.

    There is already so little information with roles not being revealed on death, and the scum having access to a lot of missinformation or information denial abilities that a cursory eval seems to skew favour toward scum. Although in saying that, the kills per night could just as easily imbalance it again. Il leave the number crunching to the forum staff, but perhaps instead of combining so many abilities into single characters, you expand the player count and break roles into multiple roles?

    Anyways, imo its a good start, just needs a bit of polishing on clarification of roles/abilities/feedback, and especially interactions on IV and AR. Plus chilling on the murder
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    ►►Re: S-FM: La Cosa Nostra◄◄

    I get that youre going for a classic mod style gameplay. But high KPNs rarely work in forum games. Especially setups where the extremities allow for a 6v3v1 or a 9v1v1 come d2. unintended imbalance occurs very easily and should be noted. N1 town no kill implementation should help alleviate these issues.

    GL to everyone playing
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    ►►Re: S-FM: La Cosa Nostra◄◄

    its 100% a balance concern. if a setup ALLOWS for someone with poor judgement to unbalance and essential tilt the game on N1 accidently or otherwise, then its game balance concern and not meta, even if meta feeds into it.

    IMO, as just a SFM player, and ex SFM Mod, this is a triple red flag setup. 3KPN in forum game is a redflag. N1 town kill in that 3kpn is a redflag. The ability for town to lose their only night kill from a misguided n1 kill is a redflag.

    There shouldnt be a 3NKP in such a small forum game. There definitely shouldnt be a N1 3KPN where town has a kill and loses future kills based on outcomes. Balance dictates that it should be player fill irrelevant. You have to account for trash filling the slot as much as OP god lord filling the slot.

    Pls restrict N1 town kill atleast.

    Kthx
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    ►►Re: Petition to list Iced Monopoly as ex staff member◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Mesk514 View Post
    His contribution to this site over the years deserves to go unnoticed.
    deserves to go unnoticed. Thanks Mesk ;-;
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    Sticky: ►►Re: The Fallen◄◄

    Not even listed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by naz View Post
    but i feel like a vigi wouldn't dare lol..
    I agree, but also, a game setup shouldnt be based on meta of potential players getting certain roles. Should be balanced for any possibility.

    @Mesk514 reducing to one shot nullifies the special condition for vigi. but yeah i agree KPN should be limited in a forum game, especially with 3 factions and this player count. 1 shot vig is better selection here.
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    ►►Re: S-FM: La Cosa Nostra◄◄

    I know this game is already out here and approved and taking signs, but damn 3 KPN potential in a forum game, even on N1? Too late to atleast request a restriction on vigi n1 kill so as to not throw the towns kill potential (vig abili), and chance at skewing game balance come d2?
    @naz @Marshmallow Marshall
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    ►►Re: How many players are actually from Aus here?◄◄

    QLD represent. Born Townsville, grewup Cairns, living in Brisbane. Nothing like being in the white trash state â¤ï¸
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    ►►Re: How many players are actually from Aus here?◄◄

    Why do i keep getting tagged in this as a kiwi. I am very much Australian. Fuck new zealand.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    dont worry i just wanted to lynch bird if there was arsonist we would had lost already scv was my next pick to lynch anyway so all of your arguments are invalid against me
    No, theyre not. That was our only day to lynch, if town got lynched, then the game was over. There was also not arsonist, we confirmed this on day 2 or 3, with mechanics. There was never a threat. If you wont admit your mistakes and learn from them, and want to continue playing with your head up your own ass, thats fine, but youre going to end up continually blacklisted from games.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    You also got buddied hard efe. You refused to swap votes to scv, and were defending him. Despite the fact that he was not defending himself from accusations, and not contributing to the game, all he did was deflect or compliment you, and you ate that shit up and nearly cost us the game on a bird lynch. Definitely no mvp behaviour there, you need to be able to revaluate your reads, post game hindsight is too late.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    22 pages of literally nothing constructive happening. We lynched the lurker scum stereotypes and got lucky. For the record, birds play was bad, but it was so bad it couldn't have been scum when you consider scum had no night kill abilities, it had to be bad town, which is why I stopped going after him
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    Well this was incredibly painful to play. Thankgod it's over.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Scvmurderer View Post
    Heresy! This is clearly witch hunt.
    This should be more than enough of a 'defense' to convince you to hammer him.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    -vote scvmurderer

    @bird come hammer.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    how the hell are you comfirmed for all i know all of you lied with your tpr claims or i borderline threw the game to get town status
    You are kidding me right? I am UNCOUNTERCLAIMED TPR. I AM CONFIRMED TOWN.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by sheepsaysmeep View Post
    -vote scvmurderer

    90% sure it's this
    Still rather concerned with your misvoting of numbertwo last day, and never coming back to rectify it. Looked like a half assed attempt to write off his lynch as a pseudo-support, while avoiding scrutiny.

    Anyways, somehow more importantly, your footnotes have firebringer tagged in them, what history do you have with FB? (when? FMs past?, general shit?) kthx.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Scvmurderer View Post
    -vote bird
    @Efekannn02 how are you town reading this slot. He hasnt done anything, then in mylo comes in and votes/puts bird at L1 without so much as a comment.

    You are town, you and i are the only confirmed ones. Im trying to work with you here, but yoi need to unvote and revaluate your position on scv
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    Its 2am, so I'll get back to this in the morning, but efe remove your vote. I believe your town, only because if you're not, yesterday was borderline gamethrow.

    There's a good chance it's scv, but this game is so lazy that I feel a VCA will solve it, which ll do in the morning unless someone wants to do one while I sleep. My point is, unvote for the time being, because today is the last day and hammering can cost us the game.

    (not sure if SJ implemented it or not, but if town gets lynched today, scum wins, and vice versa, sort of a 'final day' to wrap the game up)
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    Im not sure if these days were always 24hrs, but we're down to 3 and a bit hrs left.

    @sheepsaysmeep pls come back and fix your vote. Twentytwo is not a player, his name is numbertwo
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    Efe, I see you on the thread, if you dont trust NumberTwo, vote him with me
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    @sheepsaysmeep you voted twentytwo instead of numbertwo
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    -vote NumberTwo
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Scvmurderer View Post
    Hm, so clearly bird is evil
    -vote bird
    Why. Why is that clear. God damn.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    The way i see it, scv is a perfectly good lynch candidate. Hes made absolutely no attempt to defend himself, he doesnt contribute to the game beyond saying 'hm', and he isnt being hammered, despite this lobby enjoying hammering, because people 'feel' hes not scum, despite having done nothing to exhibit towniness, and infact doing the opposite and exhibiting lurker scum defence behaviour
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    i need to convinced iced that bird is a nice lynch

    CONVINCATION

    I DEMAND FOR YOU TO VOTE UP BIRD HAVE YOU NOT SEEN ANY SUSPICION FFS?
    How to convince people to lynch, by efe:
    I scum read this person, but i cant explain why, so come up with your own reasons to scum read them, then convince yourself of them, then vote them. Just dont make me do any work. Kthx.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Numbertwo View Post
    sorry for my inactivity. I was busy drinking all day yesterday.

    i have a hard time seeing a scenario where both bird and scv are scums now, so i have to change my stance on that one.

    If bird flips scum then i would guess that sheep is his buddy. If he flips town, then scv and efekann have to be the scums
    all the votes are already ready to go on scv. make your associations tomorrow after the flip.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    Never a nightkill. We already solved roles.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Scvmurderer View Post
    Hm, arnt u the condescending one
    You have done literally nothing all game. You havnt even tried to defend or save yourself from this lynch. This game needs to end, and if it starts with you, thats fine by me.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    @Efekannn02 Just vote scv. If it turns out bird and sheep are scum, then it doesnt matter. They win a game where nobody has been playing, and isnt part of the ladder. Its like winning a finger painting competition in preschool, pointless. The game is long, slow, uninteresting, and needs to end. Hammer and lets get this over with.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    do you notice that bird and sheep are voting scv? i dont think he is scum please stop this nonsense
    Then make a case for everyone else to join you on one of those scum reads. You dont win this game by say 'stop' and not doing jackshit all, then complaining postgame. You need to be proactive. You need to convince everyone else that your reads are the right reads. I have 0 incentive to follow shit of yours because youre not playing this game.

    SCV is going to be lynched at this point. You can either join us, or eat rope tomorrow (If he flips red, or we dont lynch.)
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Scvmurderer View Post
    I mean who did you make chat
    Nobody.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    This game is absolutely dead, and it's clear nobody has any interest in playing it.
    If i could lynch three people I would, but the scum is probably in the pool of scv, bird, number two.
    Let's just finish this game.
    -vote scvmurderer
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    you because scv likes to hammer
    I am un cc'd town power. Lynching me is not an option. This is why people blacklist you from games.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    I am still very dubious about NumberTwos slot and am scum reading him moderately.
    I am also reasonably convinced scvmurderer is scum. He also admitted to being scum, and then didnt follow that up with anything, so im not sure if he failed to english, or was openwolfing for some serious postgame lols.

    Its interesting that efe wont vote scv though, when hes willingly jumped on everything else.
    @Efekannn02 why wont you vote scv, what is your train of thought on his slot? Who would you vote instead?
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Scvmurderer View Post
    Hm
    Thats seriously all you have to contribute?

    Im at work at the moment, but whoever posted about being in a architect chat n1 needs to pipe up and tell us about that conversation that went down. Both parties do actually.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    Everyone here needs to post who theyre planning to vote, including each time they change their vote.
    Voting SCV.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Scvmurderer View Post
    I'm never not scum
    Did you just claim to be scum?
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    But you wouldnt have won. There is no night killing roles. So we're still good to go into tomorrow. You wouldve only made yourself look suspicious with that hammer, thus why you were so hesitant to vote and be on the train.

    "only reason im not voting you is because no one has counterclaimed"
    So are you scum reading me, because saying that and doing nothing about it just looks like scum wanting to reactionary vote.
    Who are you scum reading besides bird.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    At this point, ive given up on bird. the CC play was ridiculous, but ive tunneled this shit and been wrong before. I vote we all move to lynch NumberTwo. I was actually expecting shit from him, and hes been pretty unhelpful all game. (yes this is meta, but honestly no better reads because everyone else is being unhelpful.)

    Send your anon votes in to lynch numbertwo. kthx. Your votes can change even if youve already submitted. if two flips scum, i would be willing to bet scv is partner, but i want the lynch on numbertwo first.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    @SuperJack Will the day end if:
    enough anon votes have been tallied against a player (like a regular lynch)
    or will the day end on timer, and the player with the most votes be lynched?
    or will the day end on timer, and only a player who has exceeded the required votes to lynch be lynched?


    reposted for green
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    Setup spec.

    Scum doesnt have a factional nightkill, they do have access to killing roles however.
    Town had a crier, and has an architect. No protectives and no investigatives.

    It would be unlikely SJ would give Scum a killing role in this setup (host meta I know, but also that breaks balancing by a considerable margin)
    Somebody claimed earlier they were in an architect chat. I didnt get to submit an a target for architect due to early day end.

    Scum has architect (earthbinder) as a role (assuming that person, numbertwo?, was telling the truth)
    ^ Reasonably compelling circumstance given town doesnt have any night submittable actions that could be blocked or redirected either, would stop tpr hard confirming themselves too.

    Other scum role is judge, as witnessed by the anon voting/pm to host.

    So scum team is telepath (judge) and earthbender (architect)
    next up, @SuperJack the anon voting shit that you posted earlier, did that have to be submitted the night prior, or can be activated at any time?

    Will post more on this come SJs response.
    -unvote
    also voting is now useless as votes are required to be sent to host.
    [COLOR="#00FF00" @SuperJack Will the day end if:
    enough anon votes have been tallied against a player (like a regular lynch)
    or will the day end on timer, and the player with the most votes be lynched?
    or will the day end on timer, and only a player who has exceeded the required votes to lynch be lynched?[/COLOR]
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by bird View Post
    I was banking on people not being dumb and outing

    if you want to 1v1 about what optimal pr plays we can do that postgame without ego lynching me over bad plays
    No counterclaim = we are forced to follow a sher claim with a red check on a player. high probability of mislynch. we are already in mylo. Bad outcome.
    Counterclaim = only remaining TPR is revealed. 1v1 ensues. Fakeclaiming as town = bad outcome. Fakeclaiming as scum = good outcome.

    There is literally no reason a townie wouldve done what you did in the position that this game is in. It is very blatantly anti town behaviour.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    There is zero town rationale from fake claiming a tpr when theres only one tpr slot left and town is in mylo. You either flip red, or go down as a worse player than efe. Both are good outcomes
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    -vote bird

    When you cant even vote
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    Wow, i was expecting some kind of gameplay to happen during the evening, but it seems its just as dead.

    Im about to start a shift, but with bird hardclaiming sheriff, i counterclaim with town architect. I didnt perform a night action ln as i wasnt expecting the day to end so fucking early.

    [vote]bird[/bird]
    Il iso this slot after work to drive the nail into the coffin, but there is no rook for a third tpr, so this slot is dead.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    Okay, well this game is pretty much over.

    We've got an inactive NumberTwo, an inactive Bird, an Efe acting like an idiot and spamming, and a hammering scv. To top it all off we're in mylo. So this is going just great. The only player with any sense to them is Sheep, and im forced to read him as town because everything else is just so disgusting.

    Seriously, why the fuck was there a hammer with nearly 24hrs of gameplay still to go. What is it with you lot that youre all so obsessed with ending days early. You didnt even discuss your hammer You all just spoke fucking nonsense about shit that wasnt even relevant to the game and then ended the day. Where on earth is @Calix , i need her to come smack some sense into you lot.

    I have no intention of voting any time soon. @Numbertwo you claimed vigi and that you were going to shoot, but you didnt. Whats your defense here.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Efekannn02 View Post
    >doesnt claim
    >asks others to claim

    Im Your Highlord And I DEMAND YOUR ROLE YOU HYPOCRITE!
    He asked him to claim because hes at L1. That is how this works.
    When youre inevitably going to be lynched, you claim your role.
    When youre not going to be lynched, you dont claim your role.
    Starving the scum team of information is our only advantage. Revealing all roles allows them to maniuplate and kill town.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 246 Witch Which is Witch? -SUPERJACK-◄◄

    I have to say, I was actually expecting more from hybrid, and he's avoided pings and instead continued to add to the shitposting. If anything, this to me indicates he is happy with the state of the game and has no intention of changing our course of action, which atm is efe and previously me.

    -vote Hybrid

    The same could be said for bird, but i have no prior knowledge of how bird plays. Hybrid is out of character though.
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