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    Poll: ►►Re: S-FM 334 (Ladder): Once Upon a Town in the West (Small-Town Mafia) (13P)◄◄

    oh fug i forgot it's ladder. im in /sign
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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    On a serious note, we've had a lot of these threads. I have lost count, but this is probably at least the fifth. I don't mind reading a debate, but can't we at least discuss something new?
    The problem is that dissenting opinions predominantly get pushed out of the conversation before anything meaningful can develop from it. Oftentimes free speech is the first thing to talk about because it tries to set a precedent for what is or isn't okay.

    None of the below things are uncommon in the current online landscape:

    -Need for Prefacing (i.e. "As a Republican, but PERSONALLY I don't agree with X.")
    -Downvoting (Promoting a hive mind mentality, soft censorship.)
    -Hard Censorship/Banning.
    -Portraying arbitrarily what hate speech, disinformation, misinformation is.
    -Portraying arbitrarily what constitutes evidence for sake of debate.
    -Cancel culture, doxxing, defamation of character.
    -Retroactively changing what is, isn't acceptable.
    -Portraying history disingenuously.
    -ad hibbity hominem


    I remember a four years ago when Kyrie Irving (4.3m) started tweeting about the earth being flat and everyone mostly laughed it off at first. Then he kept up the routine a few more times until he started garnering a ton of attention from social/mainstream media and the NBA. They told him "No Kyrie, millions of kids look up to you. Saying the Earth is flat is dangerous! Listen to the scientists." And I mean, I get that. But it also seemed like they were shutting down a man's opinion (regardless of whether it was real and not just some 'stay woke' gimmick) simply because they didn't agree with it. He had anecdotally said about being in private jets and seeing that it might not be round etc. and people would barrage him with satellite images etc. It was always just bizarre to me that somebody saying "the earth might be flat stay woke" was received as inherently dangerous (as if people cannot come to their own conclusions.)

    We're seeing something similar with the Nicki Minaj twitter thing right now (22.7m). Nicki's anecdote was basically that her "cousin's friend's balls swelled up after taking the vaccine- So make your own decision on whether to get vaccinated and ask questions." To be me, that doesn't seem like an unreasonable take, she isn't telling anyone what to do or not to do nor what to believe and to do their own due diligence. Kyrie on one hand made an assertion, Nicki made an observation. Within a day, a Twitter shitshow, Tucker Carlson debut, Twitter suspension all ensued and now she's being invited to the White House apparently.. (For whatever reason.)

    My point is, the topic of free speech has become so redundantly abundant because it has to be. There's so much vitriol about topics like the vaccine, CRT, riots, Afghanistan, elections etc. and to me, it does seem like dissenting opinions do get pushed out of the conversation before they're able to speak. Not here, as much because we're not really like that but take a skip over to a place like Reddit and it's all around you.

    -Being against CRT/BLM means you want more black people to die.
    -Being antivaxxer means you want grandma to die.
    -Being suspicious about election integrity means you want democracy to die.
    -Being suspicious about climate change means you want the planet to die.
    -Being politically neutral or center-leaning means you want dialogue to die.
    -Being pro-choice means you want babies to die.
    -Being capitalist means you want the poor to die.


    You could write like, a thousand more of these with any flavor you want (might be a fun thread) but this is the knee-jerk reaction I've seen. Like @oops_ur_dead I'm a pretty big free speech advocate so it's kind of spooky to me how things have developed over the past few years. People have already started the "Muh Orwellian" references but maybe they're not wrong. Anyway, there's my rant on the (not) real topic.

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    As far as Ozy's OP. lol they'll just get a proxy or the dumb ones will find another forum, happens all the time. I don't agree with it but Germany does things differently; Anything else turns into the publisher/platform debate and that's a bunch of legalese above my paygrade.
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    Ahhh from your wording
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    yeah wait what the hell varcron come fm
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    Quote Originally Posted by WrathCyber View Post
    From my experience in CK in Total War games, it looks like Afghanistan didn't invest heavily into infrastructure to increase loyalty and decrease corruption.
    I'm surprised they didn't try this, what an oversight.
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    Congrats lag. so is the attack part of lagattack gone forever
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    this thread about Texas makes no sense
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    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    -vote Auwt
    for strong reads and calling out my interactions with the scumbags <3

    THank you, @Lag and @AIVION for hosting <3
    why dey kill you
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    gikkle has been saying weird shit since the game began. and i don't really know what wrath is up to. he wanted to go ham on me apparently slipping until i told him i made the setup. guess it was a misunderstanding

    guess im giving auwt a pass this game. he can carry d2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    -vote Auwt


    Also Sc2 Mafia does not deserve hosts as organized as Lag.
    Lagattack host carry
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    Thank you for being awesome hosts @Lag attack & @AIVION . Very professional and well handled as to be expected from you two, flavor was funny af too.

    Also thank you to everyone else for playing my setup. First town win on it lol

    Was a lot of fun playing with some new people @Gingerape stick around c:
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    -vote auwt


    im glad i gave you a town pass after your intro but i want an explanation for how on point you were.
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    oh shit game over nice
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    cool
    nothing new

    Frinckles, if game is not over after this lynch - I guess we're CC'ing each other?
    i guess so
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    actually i gotta brb probably hammer at 8 utc
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    inb4 gingerape steals hammer from the dead
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    im hammering at 7:30 UTC
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    ok illl solve this tomorow
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    YOU MADE ONE FATAL MISTAKE
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    I miss Halo 2 now :[
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZZorange View Post
    This Frinckles is machine and nerve and has its mind concluded. This Ozywho is but Flesh and bad play, and is the more deluded. There is much solve, and I have listened. Through rock and metal and time, now I shall talk and you shall listen.

    This ones mafia sleepwalker claim and this ones Actress theory are the same. Auwt has promised you freedom, from a doomed Town, but you will find no salvation in this thread. Those who made this setup knew what they wrought, do not mistake their intent, or all townies will perish as they did before.

    If you will not hear the truth then I will show it to you
    -vote Ozywho
    There is still time to stop the noobs from throwing, but first the town must vote. You will vote for Ozywho @Paopan and you @Auwt will heal me tonight.

    Fate had us meet as foes, but this game will make us brothers.
    SHUT THE FUCK UP GRAVEMIND
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    You need The Rime of the Ancient Mariner.
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    fug i promised myself i wasnt gonna be topposter this game
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    inc orangebomber16?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Don't be so sure about that.
    It's true that I defended Ren - but so did you Paopan.
    The main difference, my reads were consistent with my thoughts processes while yours had multiple as far as I remember.
    I don't think I necessarily defended renegade. Auwt asked me to listen to him on his scumread so I decided not to vote either of them and he was right (after RNG killed wrath.) Scum would never let their consort go to a 50/50 when there's no reason to.

    My reads are always built from the top down. I find players who I feel speak from a town mindset (Light, SCV, Gingerape eventually Auwt) and I sort them away from the other people. Even PQR spoke from a town mindset before even technically being town. You reads were consistent but the difference between scum simply hardlining a town lynch vs a townie tunneled on a bad read is hardly distinguishable.

    And that's fine if you're town but all I'm saying is there was a reason I was apprehensive to slam a vote down on a for-sure lynch D1 & D2. Nobody was overtly scummy because the players who were generally involved played very reserved each time they spoke. That's one of the reasons why I do this approach. So, when the time to sort out Ozy v Auwt came, I decided against lynching Wrath outright and let RNG decide. Seems that was a good choice.

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    What gave it away? Was it the counter claiming?
    (which, as a reminder, imho happened only because of Frinckles' TMI, as no Townie would be so confident right out of the gate that all flips were real and risk a counter claim that would give Mafias 2 free mislynches)
    I was actually going to begin the day by fakeclaiming a PR but decided against it because we have 2 power roles alive (instead of 1) so retracting to stop scum from also counterclaiming may have turned out messier than I thought. Also, there is still a part of me who thinks NMR may have been a real passenger which would make you confirmed scum. NOT SAYING YOU AREEEEE but I mean look at it from my perspective. Why the fuck did an actress flip Passenger? From his check, one of us would be passenger the other one would be SW. That in itself is a 50/50. I guess he could have not visited but what fucking carol would he be staying home to listen for? lol

    Anyway, getting the citizen/SW claims out is a fine start. Paopan needs to claim what role he is and then ZZorange/Auwt can sort it out.

    Or zzorange claims citizen
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    This is gonna take forever.
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    It's one or the other Paopan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotPaopan View Post
    My head hurts after binge-watching money heist. Omfg Tokyo died. Good riddance.
    We need to know specifically what town power role you are. Are you drunkard or doctor?
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    There's one problem with the strategy but it can wait for now.
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    @NotPaopan you're up first to claim your power role. your claim determines if you live or die. Go go
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    In that case then, NMR was an actress who softclaimed passenger at the beginning of the game. Suboptimal or gigabrain??
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    After experiencing how being Actress motivated Blink to play very active and agressive in the original Silent Night - I always thought that NMR was the least likely to be one.
    Similarly, I thought Paopan was the most likely - by how their activity sky rocked once D2 came about. (which Frinckles pointed out D1, but then never Actress read Paopan despite fitting that profile perfectly - just a reminder)
    I think all of the lowposters had the same kind of actress equity by those standards. Paopan and NMR were both active at the start of days. I know I made it a point that I was paranoid about actress and how they might play but that litmus is a little generic.

    Thing is though, if you were janitor fakeclaiming passenger for example and Paopan is actress here I think I can win that 1v1 on vote record alone (even though mine had some technical non-voting lol) so I'm inclined to believe that you're telling the truth. And NMR was actress.

    The power of town gymnastics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Pretty sure that's literally impossible because there should be only one slot alive remaining with the role card "Passanger" since I think we can safely say that they really didn't have an Actress at this point.

    Unless there's a 3rd counter claim by you, paopan or ZZ - which doesn't seem to be the case.
    To be clear, actressNMR means we have a passenger+sleepwalker alive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    If it's Ozy + Frinckles well, good game for them.
    Frinckles had balls of steel not to back up Renegade the day he was tied with Wrath, if that is the case.

    In any other world, it has to be Paopan here.
    I wish. I've been wanting to be on an Ozy scumteam for a while. We'd do some ridiculous shit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Not enterly convinced NMR was a real townie passanger.
    Once we get Paopan's role, we can get your and ZZorange's and solve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NotPaopan View Post
    Ohh. I'm still alive.
    Anyway, I'm a very important town role. That's all.
    Since this is 3v2
    I'm going to assume an Ozy + Auwt scum here.
    -vote OzyWho
    Can you claim it?
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    Don't forget to play Love Is In The Air on 2.0's Chaos Mode!
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    I mean, it's not that complicated. We need to see what Paopan claims. Then the other three can chime in. If there are any other passenger claims besides me/ozy some fuckery is happening.
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    Today should be*
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    I think the scariest scenario is Frinckles being Actress and intentionally attempting this day to be a counter claiming day, thereby guaranteeing the win even if he gets lynched.
    For such a plan though, they'd have to have had intentionally left the 2 power roles alive all game after deducing what's the random power role?

    I think it's better safe than sorry and not focus todays lynch on this counter claim.
    In which case, sorry but there's only one option here:
    -vote NotPaopan
    I think they day should be a cc day. Or atleast power roles should out. There's no reason to hide anymore afaik.

    And you and Auwt both know you'd be dead a long time ago if I rolled scum. Look at the night kills. What kind of shit kill is gikkle?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Ngl, I thought I deleted that last sentence... God damn phone typing

    Well, yeah, anyways people - I guess I'm unintentionally counter claiming Frinckles here under the presumption that NMF was actual Passenger. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Tbh Frinckles, that claim of yours looks like a TMI slip. And with me as your counterclaim - after both LW's scumread you and townread me - your prospects for the next game day don't look good imho. But ultimately it'll be either ZZ's or Auwt's choice.
    I mean if you want to pivot, feel free but if it turns out you're ccing me as scum you'll lose that battle. It's still possible we're both passengers as long as NMR was actress.

    Though again, idk why they'd be on passenger
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    Imma go play some vidya games I had claim captain of the boat
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    "But then we're outted"
    Who cares, if you guys didn't run heartbreaker to avoid that you missed probably your only opportunity to hit town PRs because every other shot has sucked. Heartbreaker is broken.
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    Or you could just claim lover lul
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    To which I'd say COWARDS. Playing Heartbreaker is fun and easy. You just say whoever you loved is the heartbreaker and even if you become confirmed scum, town overanalyzes any interactions with confirmed scum and loses.
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    It's almost as if Mafia got heartbreaker, chose not to play it and just got shit luck instead. In which case it's sleepwalker and have of you are scum
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    Thread:S-FM 333: Murder in the Mid-Atlantic

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    ►►Re: S-FM 333: Murder in the Mid-Atlantic◄◄

    Anybody get a carol last night?
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    Thread:S-FM 333: Murder in the Mid-Atlantic

    Thread Author:Lag

    Post Author:Frinckles

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    ►►Re: S-FM 333: Murder in the Mid-Atlantic◄◄

    Turboing NMR was foolishness. Too much info lost.
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