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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by RLVG View Post
    If you culted predictable targets, then you lost.
    Want to argue against that?
    I'm asking you to look back at me, morp and gyr. And ask: is that what red trainer would say/do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RLVG View Post
    If I was cult, I'd go random based on those that's not getting guaranteed fucked up.
    Vigi on Bob? Avoid Bob.

    You making meta out of "they would do it" trivializes everything. Shitty meta.
    Yeh I know you are king of random.
    But you are not cult and there is no way you can be.
    But I doubt that any other players will use your random Powers.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by RLVG View Post
    Either that, or sxum just flipping hardcore. Nullread.

    Anyway, it's not in my nature to accuse people of being legit stupid. I expect something similar of others in ethics.
    Yet duck had always been pushing the game forward, constantly re-evaluating and working on all sorts. I don't under stand why you can't see this.

    You had him red as town/charmander but not cult. That was your Scum read. Then the charmander was lynched and now you've reverted to a null.

    You know RLVG you are 100% confirmed town?

    Look back at all the actions me and duck did. And then ask yourself, is that what the Red Trainer. Because it's certainly not. You could argue a red magikarp, but in no was was me and duck ever playing as a red trainer would.

    Then look at the converts. Who would convert slaol and Sen/AIVION. Someone who morp would convert.
    Gylander would go for people he knows.
    Same with sparknuts.
    And I wouldn't convert Slaol, his play is shit. My n1 convert would of always been fb and you.

    So remember. You are looking for someone who is a red trainer. Not culted karp.
    Given that rvlg 100% confirmed and sparknuts due to cult voting him and his unknown of the red trainer role.

    Leave morp and gyrlander.

    To which point you look at interactions and posts. And you will see morp>gyr on the Scum scale.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Morp View Post
    This. Assuming new players are easy to read from meta (or that anyone is easy to read from meta) is just asking to be duped. Does anyone remember Yuki from Koopolitics?

    -Matt
    He had already quite a few games under his belt and was definitely improving.. And was put against other newbies/bad players.

    This was Ducks first game.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    He is stupid. His Scum hunting has been excellent. But he was stupid enough to get emotional and rage when people didn't see what he saw.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Was saving it for the bigger posts tonight but it does no harm now.
    -vote Morp
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Morp View Post
    We can only afford a mislynch if you successfully block PTR tonight.

    RLVG, why Gyrlander? The only remotely good reason against Gyrlander I can see is that they weren't on the hammer train for Keiichi; but the problem with that reasoning is that Gyrlander was on the train for a good part of the day and was probably away at hammer time. I'd even null-slot lynch SparkNuts before I lynch Gyrlander.

    But again, this rest of this town seems to consistently ignore the elephant in the room. SUPERDUCK should have been dead D2.

    @Gyrlander , you've suggested you were interested in doing ISOs. Please tell me you've been seeing what I've been seeing. PLZLEAVEDUCKK gives a classic newbie scum performance and then when his partner has to take over we just get a well of inactivity, the kind you expect from a scum who got caught be scummy and just prays no one notices.

    -vote SUPERDUCK
    You complain that I read Sparknuts as town. Yet both confirmed Scum had previously voted him at points where Scum would never bus him. This clears him and confirms he is town. Along with his blatence unknowing of how red trainer works. You claim Scum could fake this, but spark nuts has yet to reach that level of FM radio play. You where far more annoyed that I cleared him as town because it makes you harder to cause a mis-lynch and claim it was tmi when it's clear it's based on analysis and VCA.

    And Yeh. You just took my reasoning of why Gyr is most likely town. Good job.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by RLVG View Post
    Shitty meta is shitty.
    He says sheriff d1 on sc2, so that means town on fucking forum mafia.

    Are you saying you want to vote morp? Lol.
    Shitty meta but yet completely accurate. What do you expect out of a player straight from SC2.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Ill get intimate deeper analysis tonight. Working ATM.

    But I was reading day 1.

    The interactions between slaol and orpz are very interesting I would like to point out.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Sparknuts is town. Due to having no idea how red trainer works and how the Scum pushed on him

    Rlvg is most likely town due to the bite check on him and the lack of a blackmailer.

    Gylander is slightly more town than Scum. His nerves with voting kalichi and unvoting him because he feared an early scum hammer.

    Morp is slightly more Scum than town. His reads in the game and bots have been terrible and his relationship with slaol shows he is more Scum read than town.

    Slaol is scummy. Very little input. Scummy voting. And doing his famous "claiming Scum as Scum" move he loves to brag about.

    How to win: lynch slaol.

    Then lynch morp

    If he is town then role block and lynch gylander.

    -vote Slaol
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    So yes. I agree with Keiichi.

    Then it's slaol.

    Then morp over gyrlander.

    -vote Keiichi
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Honestly. Strongly town reading RLVG and Sparknuts.

    Gyrlander is borderline.

    But the other players I get strong cult tells.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Just realised thanks to my ex partners notes.

    That aslong as we lynch a cult today we are good. Because :
    Ability cannot be used the night after a teammate dies
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    PLZLEAVEDUCKZZ and mes: top scum reads where Keiichi, Slaol and morp


    why morp:
    reading morps post I believe he is cult going for the win today
    You can tell throughout all of his posts he making good reads, but ultimately leading town to the wrong conclusion
    everything he said was exactly what I was thinking, but he wants to lynch sparknuts
    he is this analytical, but forgets that slaol admitted he knew I fake claimed, and still voted sparknuts? If this were true he would put me or gyrlander in the cult train, and have sparknuts confirmed town
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Lol people called me Scum. Ill get home today one I finish work and I'll grab the notes PLD left me. But it just seems pretty similar to what RLVG said.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    I will continue with this one. Just so that any ISO and viewing is easier.

    I do apologise for my partners foul language and attitude. That was completely out of line and I will be discussing it with him after the game. He is fresh out of SC2 and we all know how mature people are there.

    But. My partners read and views I completely agree with. It's something we've been discussing. I've mostly stayed out of the game and just talked with him over Skype.

    @RVLG is your vote on me out of personal reasons. Or do you logically and truthfully read me as Scum.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Wish you all the best, any future posts will be SuperJack it seems.

    -DucK
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    I'm sad, I liked you.
    sorry, it was a pleasure to play with you. You and morp were the only players in this game who actually reevaluated and deserve to win, so I hope you two keep playing!
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by RLVG View Post
    So yeah, I request your immediate "calm the fuck down satan" and play the game.
    I have been playing the game. I have put everything into this game. Which is why I lose it when somebody like you goes mia then comes back to replace their partner who quit when we NEEDED him, and begins to troll.

    You voted me beacuse you hate my style of play of faking cop. "oh duck why did you lose your fm game"
    "well you see town had a chance but this guy quit and his replacement didnt like that I claim cop in sc2 mafia so he purposefully threw the game"

    Like I said forum mafia seems not to be for me.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Okay rlvg I apologize can we have a civil discussion

    (I think you used like code word for actually offended)>?
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    You are the fucking toxic one.

    I spent days being the only fucking towny playing this one while you go mia without fucking notice. You think I care this much as non town? I would have fucking swept this lurk fest as mafia

    Go ahead report me, I am never using this website again in my life. I am only staying because I respect SuperJack and Banana, and when this game is over I am fucking going back to sc2 ladder and mafia where I belong.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Do me a favor, please JUST UNVOTE. be the hammer. Wait for the votes to be placed before you leave vote. It isfucking mylo. ONE WRONG TOWN VOTE ENDS THE GAME. IF YOU CANT SEE HOW TOWNY MY FUCKING LOGIC HERE IS THEN HOLY SHIT
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by RLVG View Post
    Yeah, you're so valuable to the town that a modkill on you leads to the scum automatically winning.

    NO SHIT I AM CLEARLY TILTED BY HOW LOGIC FUCKING ELUDES YOU. IF I DO GET MODKILLED THEN IM FUCKING SORRY TO TOWN THAT I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SPEAK FUCKING BULBASUARIAN
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    Maybe he is scum too?
    hes confimred town by copcheck
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by RLVG View Post
    FYI, all you needed was force reveal the cop, cause a mislynch or get them killed at night, leading to the ultimate "Oh shit, the Cop can't invest anymore."
    That's a sacrifice a scum team would like to do.
    I DIDNT NEED TO COUNTER CLAIM, SHE OPENLY CLAIMED A TOWN CHECK I WOULD JUST LEAD THE TOWN INTO MISLYNCHING SOME1 WHO I AM NOT WITH AND THEN CONVERT HER AT FUCKING NIGHT AND GET A HYDROPUMP

    why are you fucking trtolling and not taking this seriously.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by RLVG View Post
    You're not a good player. Fuck playstyles that revolve around in "fuck-the-town behavior". I myself am genuine scummy most of the time but even I don't do shit that's gambity and force-reveals TPR as a result of it.

    Get the town in motion, lynch a scum or whatever, with this playstyle I can only see it as a "scotsman" gambit when really being scum, granting you town points.

    The issue is that not a single scum has been taken yet 'nor seen, so there's absolutely no credit towards your play.
    THERE IS YOU JUST SUCK HOLY FUCK. I HAVE BEEN PMED BY OVER 20 PEOPLE I DONT EVEN FUCKING KNOW SAYING I AM THE MOST OBVIOUS TOWN EVER AND THAT THE PLAYERS IN MY GAME WERE NOT GOOD.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Gyrlander View Post
    I do not recommend voting RVLG letting your feels take over control. I think we should focus on Richard Dawkins. He was in hammer and still didn't give any role or explanation to his gameplay. Just kill him. PLEASE.
    Sadly it is too late, I just rage spammed his inbox calling him an idiot for the past 5 minutes, and I SHOULD BE modkilled, ending the game. Literally cant fathom how he just voted me and is so unable to see things.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    game is over, good luck to which ever evil wins, though you really did not deserve the win.

    I'll leave the vote where superjack had it.

    -vote Richard Dawkins


    Good luck.

    -Duck
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    -vote rlvg


    I cant spell though.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    -vote rlv


    I can throw too you stupid dumbfuck
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Do you think for a fucking second, I would continue to fucking talk shit to you and encourage discussion after you put a mislynch to hammer potential if im evil you stupid fuck. Oh my god both of our tpr's are donkeysssssssssssssss
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Fuck over the town? IT SINGLE HANDEDLY GOT TOWN ON TRACK. God when you see the post game and realize how fucking bad you are I hope you kill yourself
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Is there a shiny magikarp? Is it guaranteed/random/not included/maybe included
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by RLVG View Post
    You were softclaiming Charmander, which is completely different.
    I entered the game thinking I would be with purely good players, and that they would pressure me to learn how I play. You can ask your hydra firebringer what I do as town in sc2 mafia EVERY GAME. mckd:"I AM SHERIFF DOC ON ME". If I openly claim a town role day1 regardless of whatever else I say I AM TOWN EVERY TIME. There is no meta there is no other way around this. I claimed town, I am town. I said the charmander thing as a joke/to get people started with pinging me out. I did not intend for it to cause a tunnel.

    Yesterday in a sc2 mafia gmae, superjack pmed me day1 what my role was, my response was "framer". I do not lie about alignment EVER on day1. (claiming town and godfather always means the town claim is correct) I will NEVER claim a town role at all day1 if I am not town. Your hydra knew this too, and still decided to push me which is lol.

    If you have noticed I fake claim cop every single game that I am not doctor. I'll needlessly continue this useless bit

    Town invest - sheriff
    town protective - doctor
    town killing - sheriff or survivor
    neutral benign - town roles ( I townside so I consider it town)
    neutral evil - claim "non town"
    neutral killing - hard claim role so I can be correctly lynched unless neutral random then I play sk as a survivor and do not attack and claim survivor
    mafia - claim sheriff

    Had I rolled cult or arsonist this game I would have obviously played 100%, but I would never have been as active as I have been or as into the game when I have an important lan coming up. I would have like 40 posts instead of over 100. I realize an evil can try to lead town, and I did a lot of what you read as evil tells, but the fact is I was the only person who would reevaluate.

    tldr: try to learn people's playstyles before tunneling on them. I took the time to look up past forum games and post histories which is so fucking pro town that I don't know what else is.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by RLVG View Post
    That was part of a joke.

    Your "char char" thing, was something you took way too seriously, extended too much and pushed out hard.

    Bulbusaur shouldn't needlessly CC him if he didn't actually claim / softclaim however. Didn't he also redact being bulbusaur at some point?
    Strawing.
    Isn't it the opposite? You took me claiming charmander too seriously, and me going char char is me not taking it seriously and joking?

    I really hate that we are the same alignment.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by RLVG View Post
    He didn't claim or soft-claim, he just "went with it" because it was convenient.
    Yeah well he said vine whip, which was the same shit you guys tunneled for on me day1 with charmander.

    I assumed bulbasaur would have cc'ed him before now.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    There are now two scenarios (I will ignore every scenario where dawkins is a town, because if he is he will be hammered and game will end before I even post this)

    1) all 4 towns have voted dawkins, charmander has to decide if he wants to hammer or go to night phase.

    2)3 towns and the charmander have voted, town 4 is lala land.

    With 3 people doused for sure since bulbasuar did nothing bussing would be extra out of the question I believe.

    If dawkins get hammered and we enter the night phase I will try to look up changes in behavior based on which cult dawkins was. I think keiichi is most likely for changed behavior and cult role.

    @SparkNuts if you are town hammer sometime today plz
    @Keiichi hammer
    @Slaol bus him.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Gyrlander was in my town list because he was an uncc'ed bulbasaur (he softed twice this game at least)

    Now that you claim bulbasaur, he is no longer locked town.

    He has been voting with town, which is why we dont vote him. Thanks.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by RLVG View Post
    Lol?
    AS IN FINAL 5 OR FINAL 3 NOT TODAY HOLY FUCK, HE IS VOTING WITH TOWN NOT AGAINST THEM. WE DONT GO AGAINST HIM TODAY GOT IT?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard Dawkins View Post
    My thoughts, my beliefs, my feelings are all in my brain. My brain is going to rot.

    Friendly Greeting,
    Richard (Mr. Atheism) Dawkins
    why do you bother playing this fucking game. You do nothing. You do not deserve this fucking win. you literally idle all game. If you tried this shit in a game with people who gave a fuck you would get correctly lynched day1 every fucking time. I would fucking policy lynch every game
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    if you vote gyrlander I will fucking ogi that i am a mmagikarp and quit.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by RLVG View Post
    You don't counterclaim someone as a role you're not. Instead you point out their faulths and why.
    That's the term "counterclaiming" : You counter the role of another by your own role.
    If you counterclaim someone as a role you're not, that's automatically scummy, just pointing that out.

    Here's a spoiler to all your beliefs by the way.
    I'm actually Bulbusaur. Firebringer didn't send any actions which I thought he did.
    Look at the direction town was going from my perspective.

    Your hydra was pushjing two towns. the ONLY lynch options day1 were myself, and clarence, two towns. Nothing I said would work, I even openly claimed tpr day1 to try to get control of town, IT DID NOT WORK. TOWN WAS HEADING IN ALL THE WRONG DIRECTIONS. I NEEDED TO MAKE A POWER PLAY TO STEER THEM. IF I AM CULT I LET THEM DERAIL INTO INFINITY AND BEYOND. I don't know how you dont see this is the most fucking towny play ever, probably because im fucking caps spamming.

    AND YOUR BULBASAUR WHAT THE FLYING FUCK, that means charmander opted not to ignite and we need to potentially reevaluate on gyr

    the only confirmed check is a bulbasaur rip in fucking pieces
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    @RLVG slaol posted today after outting as cult that he knew I was not the real squirtle when I claimed. Now he is voting me, after being with my check he KNEW WAS FAKE. HE KNOWS ITS FAKE ON DAY2 BECAUSE HE IS CULT AND DOES NOT SEE SPARKNUTS IN THEIR FUCKING SKYPE CHAT. This confirms a) i am not with slaol who OUTTED CULT TODAY LOOK AT HIS POST, HIS WORDS NOT MINE, and then 2) sparknuts is not fucking with the cult.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    I ROLEHUNTED? FORCING COUNTERCLAIMS? ARE WE ONMT HE SMAE PLANET

    I COUNTERCLAIMED AN ALREADY OUTTED COP, SHE OUTTED I COUNTER CLAIMED AND DIDNT EVEN ATTACK HER.

    I KNEW GYRLANDER WAS BULBASAUR THE WHOLE GAME AND JUST SAID "TOWN" YOUR DUMB TEAMMATE LISTED 4 PEOIPLE AS "PR OR THE LAST MAGIKARP"

    #triggered
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    @RLVG

    slaol has openly outted as cult today, richard dawkins has given zero reads, and his only vote was a troll vote on keiichi. If he is town do you actually think he has been pushing lynches on evils? I have mislynched a cop, but my reasoning is somewhat logical and is not based on nothing. Dawkins never said a word and votes keiichi which can not be town read ever.

    Do you honestly believe an evil in a good position would open counterclaim a hard claimed cop when the check is not putting any of my "partners" in jeopardy? I defended the mislynch, I am not under the gun at the time. Look at my counterclaim too, I town read gyrlander, and cult check sparknuts. If I am wrong about sparknuts as cultist(I was btw, he is charmander) I am fucked day3. If you are worried about losing two games in a row to fake claims then there is not much I can do, but I am willing to explain any of the plays I made, and how I am without a doubt the most confirmed town, arguably more confirmed then you who is cop checked town.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Wait is rlvg not fire's old teammate? I am so confused. You being fire viking no?
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Why are we wasting time on this you can see you are town, and every1 in the game knows you are town so we can just move past that. What is important is you deciding if I am the town or if richard dawkins is.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 190 Charmander's Revenge: Brotherhood◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by RLVG View Post
    But the cop is dead.
    I don't think we are on the same page here.

    Start of day2 the only person not here was clarence, VT. Empathy outs, I counterclaim, I fail get caught, Fire roleswaps by counterclaiming. This was the series of actions. The cop is dead yes, which confirms you as town. She checked you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RLVG View Post
    Spoilers, there's a contradiction here.
    sorry? explain please
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