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[QUOTE=Voss;773011]I guess I haven't played with you, so I don't know how your personality makes people think your generally suspicious. But if you're generally suspicious, I'd rather you be voted out then to vote someone that a vocal minority think is scum, and other people voting because they want no lynch.

Why does Condorcet reveal PRs? I have a theory on why you'd say this, and a response to it.[/QUOTE]

Condorcet reveals PRs because you end up ranking people using information gained by your role instead of what was said in day chat, its a form of "too much information" - people usually think that mafia are the only ones that have TMI but forget that PRs do as well. This is usually how I identify who is what role while scumhunting - because people talk too much about stuff they aren't suppose to know if they were simple citizen. Whenever people start posting a list of people in a town to scum order, I usually have them pegged very quickly, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that can do this.

As for why I appear scummy is: mafia usually won't night kill someone they think they can myslynch - so I tend to intentionally position myself near the bottom 4 of everyones reads (but not "the" bottom to be lynched myself) and I can usually talk my way out of a lynch by finding someone more scummy than myself... (and I attract the attention of PRs to check me) Condorcet ends up having the bottom 4 more randomized on a general basis but I'm the consistent person on everyones scum radar, thus why I die.

Originally Posted by Voss

I guess I haven't played with you, so I don't know how your personality makes people think your generally suspicious. But if you're generally suspicious, I'd rather you be voted out then to vote someone that a vocal minority think is scum, and other people voting because they want no lynch.

Why does Condorcet reveal PRs? I have a theory on why you'd say this, and a response to it.

Condorcet reveals PRs because you end up ranking people using information gained by your role instead of what was said in day chat, its a form of "too much information" - people usually think that mafia are the only ones that have TMI but forget that PRs do as well. This is usually how I identify who is what role while scumhunting - because people talk too much about stuff they aren't suppose to know if they were simple citizen. Whenever people start posting a list of people in a town to scum order, I usually have them pegged very quickly, and I'm sure I'm not the only one that can do this.

As for why I appear scummy is: mafia usually won't night kill someone they think they can myslynch - so I tend to intentionally position myself near the bottom 4 of everyones reads (but not "the" bottom to be lynched myself) and I can usually talk my way out of a lynch by finding someone more scummy than myself... (and I attract the attention of PRs to check me) Condorcet ends up having the bottom 4 more randomized on a general basis but I'm the consistent person on everyones scum radar, thus why I die.

lol, I do understand this principle and I absolutely hate it. Regardless of my alignment, I will always be lynched day 1 if used because of my playstyle. Another major drawback that condorcet voting has is that it reveals PRs VERY easily (which is why I never approve the use of it).

It's similar to the Chinese Firing Drill method.

lol, I do understand this principle and I absolutely hate it. Regardless of my alignment, I will always be lynched day 1 if used because of my playstyle. Another major drawback that condorcet voting has is that it reveals PRs VERY easily (which is why I never approve the use of it).

It's similar to the Chinese Firing Drill method.