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Agree with Gyver's suggestion.

Agree with Gyver's suggestion.

HA, yeah I guess that makes playing on PC that much harder. My friend had both versions and told me that the PC version was way easier, due mostly to certain nerfs they made by the time the PC version came out, but he may have played with a game-pad, don't know.

Playstation did indeed have framedrops in Dark Souls, especially in Blight Town, though they did patch this later on. Just looking at the reviews for PS3 now for DS2 and apparently this issue is completely eradicated, won't know if that's true until I play it.

As for bugs, yeah, bound to be some, hopefully no gamebreaking ones.

Price though, I don't mind paying. If any game has value for money in terms of gameplay and replayability, it's this franchise.

Since Demons Souls and Dark Souls alike took me the best part of a year to complete, coming back to it on and off, I reckon I'll definitely still be playing in a month's time xD

HA, yeah I guess that makes playing on PC that much harder. My friend had both versions and told me that the PC version was way easier, due mostly to certain nerfs they made by the time the PC version came out, but he may have played with a game-pad, don't know.

Playstation did indeed have framedrops in Dark Souls, especially in Blight Town, though they did patch this later on. Just looking at the reviews for PS3 now for DS2 and apparently this issue is completely eradicated, won't know if that's true until I play it.

As for bugs, yeah, bound to be some, hopefully no gamebreaking ones.

Price though, I don't mind paying. If any game has value for money in terms of gameplay and replayability, it's this franchise.

Since Demons Souls and Dark Souls alike took me the best part of a year to complete, coming back to it on and off, I reckon I'll definitely still be playing in a month's time xD

I'm getting this game today, being a big fan of the first one and Demon Souls. On PS3 though, not PC. Its more insane that way.

If anyone has played the original ones and enjoys having their asses handed to them (this game is bound to be hard) feel free to add me on PSN, username: oec140188
And we can die together.

Praise the sun!

I'm getting this game today, being a big fan of the first one and Demon Souls. On PS3 though, not PC. Its more insane that way.

If anyone has played the original ones and enjoys having their asses handed to them (this game is bound to be hard) feel free to add me on PSN, username: oec140188
And we can die together.

Praise the sun!

If that's something that can be fixed, then there's hope yet. If it can't, well, that makes punishments about as useful as nipples on a breastplate. And without any chance of consequence for one's actions, then there's no reason not to repeat offenses.

And THAT, I fear, proves this topic's title fairly astute.

If that's something that can be fixed, then there's hope yet. If it can't, well, that makes punishments about as useful as nipples on a breastplate. And without any chance of consequence for one's actions, then there's no reason not to repeat offenses.

And THAT, I fear, proves this topic's title fairly astute.

'If there is no way to get rid of those kids then we have to make the kids fix their own negative externalities'

Yes, I agree, but that's just never gonna happen. Its a lost cause.

'Otherwise, we will end up moving out of the area. Maybe town of Salem?'

I already have... kinda, but I think that's a great shame.


If what you say is true, and there simply aren't enough trustworthy Mods around that can put in the hours, then this game is doomed. I think it's as simple as that for me. If there's another way, I simply don't see it. Maybe enough players are happy enough to bask in the 'doom' and maybe they enjoy it (trolling loves company?) All I know is I'm not and I think most players will say the same. This game will simply become 'Troll Only', trolls just trolling other trolls.

'However, the reality hurts, they do come back.'

This I did not know, as I didn't think it was possible without buying another copy of SC2 AGAIN (or is there another way around it?) and therefore I guess I've put too much faith in perma bans and my solution doesn't really work.

In that case, I don't see any hope for SC2 Mafia : (

'If there is no way to get rid of those kids then we have to make the kids fix their own negative externalities'

Yes, I agree, but that's just never gonna happen. Its a lost cause.

'Otherwise, we will end up moving out of the area. Maybe town of Salem?'

I already have... kinda, but I think that's a great shame.


If what you say is true, and there simply aren't enough trustworthy Mods around that can put in the hours, then this game is doomed. I think it's as simple as that for me. If there's another way, I simply don't see it. Maybe enough players are happy enough to bask in the 'doom' and maybe they enjoy it (trolling loves company?) All I know is I'm not and I think most players will say the same. This game will simply become 'Troll Only', trolls just trolling other trolls.

'However, the reality hurts, they do come back.'

This I did not know, as I didn't think it was possible without buying another copy of SC2 AGAIN (or is there another way around it?) and therefore I guess I've put too much faith in perma bans and my solution doesn't really work.

In that case, I don't see any hope for SC2 Mafia : (

In an ideal world I'd 100% agree you. I'm just not really sure how the community, which is the problem, can also be the solution. Its like trying to fix a broken window, by having the same kids that broke it... fix it. Best believe I'd rather call 'the guy'.

If the -report function was successful, the problems wouldn't have grown so exponentially. Ergo I deem the -report function UNSUCCESSFUL.

'not a long term investment of both people and money.'

Time and manpower for sure, but I don't know about 'money'... something I don't know?

You need more Mods, I'm sure there are plenty within the community that are trusted. As for time, well, this is the sacrifice that these Mods will need to make if they have their heart set on fixing the game. I know of worse ways one can spend one's time.

As I said in that other topic: "Fear is a powerful motivator". A no nonsense approach is the best and perhaps only method in my opinion of creating radical change, where this game is concerned.

'Permban is designed to troubleshot and fix the problem once for all but it just won't work as intended.'

Could you explain that one a bit more, with some examples?

: )

In an ideal world I'd 100% agree you. I'm just not really sure how the community, which is the problem, can also be the solution. Its like trying to fix a broken window, by having the same kids that broke it... fix it. Best believe I'd rather call 'the guy'.

If the -report function was successful, the problems wouldn't have grown so exponentially. Ergo I deem the -report function UNSUCCESSFUL.

'not a long term investment of both people and money.'

Time and manpower for sure, but I don't know about 'money'... something I don't know?

You need more Mods, I'm sure there are plenty within the community that are trusted. As for time, well, this is the sacrifice that these Mods will need to make if they have their heart set on fixing the game. I know of worse ways one can spend one's time.

As I said in that other topic: "Fear is a powerful motivator". A no nonsense approach is the best and perhaps only method in my opinion of creating radical change, where this game is concerned.

'Permban is designed to troubleshot and fix the problem once for all but it just won't work as intended.'

Could you explain that one a bit more, with some examples?

: )

What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger.

Or not...

As I posted in another thread, you could fix this game, but you need to be more 'ruthless', for want of a better word. You let the bad men get away with it for too long and now they've bred and multiplied and infected.

Personally I think this: [url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/26271-Player-Report-News[/url]

Might be too lenient... Or not, maybe it won't even make a difference now. Maybe its too far gone...

I think if you want to 'save' the game, you need to make radical changes and adopt an entirely new and far more POSITIVE approach towards your community and indeed, the game itself.

What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger.

Or not...

As I posted in another thread, you could fix this game, but you need to be more 'ruthless', for want of a better word. You let the bad men get away with it for too long and now they've bred and multiplied and infected.

Personally I think this: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...er-Report-News

Might be too lenient... Or not, maybe it won't even make a difference now. Maybe its too far gone...

I think if you want to 'save' the game, you need to make radical changes and adopt an entirely new and far more POSITIVE approach towards your community and indeed, the game itself.

Over 300 users currently playing, 20 something different games running. Well on its way to a success.

Over 300 users currently playing, 20 something different games running. Well on its way to a success.

'#1.Make an option for a private game'

Might just encourage point abuse, wouldn't it?

'#2.MAKE A DIFFERENT LOGIN! * If you MUST have fb login, at least allow the user to make a "username" Alias ....'

I think if they complete the Kickstarter, they said within 2 weeks they could remove the necessity of Facebook. In the meantime, it takes all of 30 seconds to create a fake facebook account.

'#3. Some people haven't been speaking english, so I suggest fixing that, like making rooms for english, etc. '

They've talked about making the game multi-language, but I don't imagine this is something that's coming anytime soon. I think English only for now, is fine. Not doubting you, but I personally haven't yet played a game, where someone spoke in another language.

'#4. All the text is white, it's hard to differentiate Names from chat. Make the Names colored. '

Yeah, that's something that has already been suggested : )

'#5. Make a report player afk for mafia, & town, so it will kick them like say : Godfather is afk, if other 2 mafia vote then he is gone. (or do something like if they dont type they have a heart attack)'

100% agree

'#6. if no one is killed after 3 days, then do some sort of secret ballot ....'

Don't know if this is necessary, as long as #5 is in place.

'And I really think people would want the chance to play with their friends in a private game. '

Not 100% against it but I think this is would just lead to point abuse. Besides, there aren't very many players on the game at the moment anyway, chances are you can make a full game just made up of people you know. There's never been a point where I've logged in and haven't yet had to wait to play a game.

'And there really needs to be citizens , this game is pretty much a joke without citizens'

I'd have to agree there. The Developers say that the role is 'boring' and so won't include it. Roles like the Mentalist and Retributionist might be kinda fun but really aren't balanced at all. They have said they'll be adding new roles soon, lets hope these include ones like Cultist and Detective and not some new, heavily problematic role. These roles might be fun to get, but make the game less so for everyone else.

'#1.Make an option for a private game'

Might just encourage point abuse, wouldn't it?

'#2.MAKE A DIFFERENT LOGIN! * If you MUST have fb login, at least allow the user to make a "username" Alias ....'

I think if they complete the Kickstarter, they said within 2 weeks they could remove the necessity of Facebook. In the meantime, it takes all of 30 seconds to create a fake facebook account.

'#3. Some people haven't been speaking english, so I suggest fixing that, like making rooms for english, etc. '

They've talked about making the game multi-language, but I don't imagine this is something that's coming anytime soon. I think English only for now, is fine. Not doubting you, but I personally haven't yet played a game, where someone spoke in another language.

'#4. All the text is white, it's hard to differentiate Names from chat. Make the Names colored. '

Yeah, that's something that has already been suggested : )

'#5. Make a report player afk for mafia, & town, so it will kick them like say : Godfather is afk, if other 2 mafia vote then he is gone. (or do something like if they dont type they have a heart attack)'

100% agree

'#6. if no one is killed after 3 days, then do some sort of secret ballot ....'

Don't know if this is necessary, as long as #5 is in place.

'And I really think people would want the chance to play with their friends in a private game. '

Not 100% against it but I think this is would just lead to point abuse. Besides, there aren't very many players on the game at the moment anyway, chances are you can make a full game just made up of people you know. There's never been a point where I've logged in and haven't yet had to wait to play a game.

'And there really needs to be citizens , this game is pretty much a joke without citizens'

I'd have to agree there. The Developers say that the role is 'boring' and so won't include it. Roles like the Mentalist and Retributionist might be kinda fun but really aren't balanced at all. They have said they'll be adding new roles soon, lets hope these include ones like Cultist and Detective and not some new, heavily problematic role. These roles might be fun to get, but make the game less so for everyone else.

Regarding the ages of players that play SC2 Mafia and what I originally thought:

I said 'I wager', not 'I know'... So be it, I guess it just seems that way.


'I would like to point out that this exists in almost all gaming communities... Take Starcraft2(melee) for example, or League of Legends. '

Of course it does, nobody is denying that. But the disparity between LoL and Sc2 Mafia in terms of this, is COLOSSAL.

Regarding the ages of players that play SC2 Mafia and what I originally thought:

I said 'I wager', not 'I know'... So be it, I guess it just seems that way.


'I would like to point out that this exists in almost all gaming communities... Take Starcraft2(melee) for example, or League of Legends. '

Of course it does, nobody is denying that. But the disparity between LoL and Sc2 Mafia in terms of this, is COLOSSAL.

I'd wager most players here are under 21, maybe even 75-80%

Most will still be in some form of education. In truth, age doesn't necessarily equate to 'immaturity', but a younger age will increase that likelihood.

So for a game which everyone seems to consider 'Adult' in nature, the mass majority who play it, aren't actually adults.

I'd wager most players here are under 21, maybe even 75-80%

Most will still be in some form of education. In truth, age doesn't necessarily equate to 'immaturity', but a younger age will increase that likelihood.

So for a game which everyone seems to consider 'Adult' in nature, the mass majority who play it, aren't actually adults.

'Nobody is trying to get rid of new players. I would help anyone who pm me out of the game.'

Maybe you would, but many wouldn't : ) Sometimes, before the game had even begun, players would try (and sometimes succeed) to -kick the player(s) which appeared as new. But its more than that, its the general attitude the community has to new players. The "If you don't know what you're doing, you're not welcome here and if you say anything, we'll just troll the f*** out of you"

'But ofc i would abuse a noob sheriff in game if i am one of the bad guys. I saw many times bad guys had better lw then the real sheriff,invest...'

That's not what I'm talking about. In-fact I actually maybe see that as more constructive, than destructive. What the creator of the topic is talking about is clearly destructive : )

'Mafia is an adult game'

I agree, but then why does it seem to be played by children?

'Nobody is trying to get rid of new players. I would help anyone who pm me out of the game.'

Maybe you would, but many wouldn't : ) Sometimes, before the game had even begun, players would try (and sometimes succeed) to -kick the player(s) which appeared as new. But its more than that, its the general attitude the community has to new players. The "If you don't know what you're doing, you're not welcome here and if you say anything, we'll just troll the f*** out of you"

'But ofc i would abuse a noob sheriff in game if i am one of the bad guys. I saw many times bad guys had better lw then the real sheriff,invest...'

That's not what I'm talking about. In-fact I actually maybe see that as more constructive, than destructive. What the creator of the topic is talking about is clearly destructive : )

'Mafia is an adult game'

I agree, but then why does it seem to be played by children?

Short term or long term, it would be very challenging. Its possible, just unlikely.

SC2 Mafia would have to operate on a zero tolerance policy, giving plenty of warning that the rules would come in to effect. Players that breached this, would receive a total ban from the game. However, there would simply be too many reports, if left up to players, many would be trolls themselves, or inaccurate, unfair, biased e.t.c e.t.c

The only way to do it, would be to remove player reports entirely and simply leave it up to Moderators, who were in that game at the time. Needless to say, the Moderators need to be highly active and in strong numbers.

Even then, the work load is incredibly high, but FEAR can be a powerful motivator and once enough word spreads and once the evidence reveals enough players banned (that breached the policy) one would hope that would strongly discourage repeat offenses.

You have the benefit that most websites DON'T have when dealing with these sorts of problems, in that creating ANOTHER account (once banned) is pretty difficult i.e costly.

You'd need highly active Moderators, more than just a handful of them and they'd need to be incredibly trustworthy i.e been on the forum for years, donors to the game, x amount of points and well established as pioneers of the community e.t.c e.t.c

Its doable, but very challenging, especially considering the game has been this way for so long already. But if the community is strongly committed to the change, then you CAN do it.

Short term or long term, it would be very challenging. Its possible, just unlikely.

SC2 Mafia would have to operate on a zero tolerance policy, giving plenty of warning that the rules would come in to effect. Players that breached this, would receive a total ban from the game. However, there would simply be too many reports, if left up to players, many would be trolls themselves, or inaccurate, unfair, biased e.t.c e.t.c

The only way to do it, would be to remove player reports entirely and simply leave it up to Moderators, who were in that game at the time. Needless to say, the Moderators need to be highly active and in strong numbers.

Even then, the work load is incredibly high, but FEAR can be a powerful motivator and once enough word spreads and once the evidence reveals enough players banned (that breached the policy) one would hope that would strongly discourage repeat offenses.

You have the benefit that most websites DON'T have when dealing with these sorts of problems, in that creating ANOTHER account (once banned) is pretty difficult i.e costly.

You'd need highly active Moderators, more than just a handful of them and they'd need to be incredibly trustworthy i.e been on the forum for years, donors to the game, x amount of points and well established as pioneers of the community e.t.c e.t.c

Its doable, but very challenging, especially considering the game has been this way for so long already. But if the community is strongly committed to the change, then you CAN do it.

'if it seems like the community doesnt like noobs its cuz noobs suck and ruin otherwise good games'

Everyone begins as a noob and everyone was a noob once. Pros should be helping new players, not discouraging them and even trying to get rid of them, this is one of the reasons why your community sucks.

'go to tos no one cares, dont let the door hit u on the way out'

Thanks for providing validity to everything I said.

'if it seems like the community doesnt like noobs its cuz noobs suck and ruin otherwise good games'

Everyone begins as a noob and everyone was a noob once. Pros should be helping new players, not discouraging them and even trying to get rid of them, this is one of the reasons why your community sucks.

'go to tos no one cares, dont let the door hit u on the way out'

Thanks for providing validity to everything I said.

If SC2 Mafia ever decides to do just that and strengthens its efforts to prevent abuse in ALL shapes and forms, I will wholeheartedly support that game and then some. Until then, I'm going in for Town of Salem.

If SC2 Mafia ever decides to do just that and strengthens its efforts to prevent abuse in ALL shapes and forms, I will wholeheartedly support that game and then some. Until then, I'm going in for Town of Salem.

I sympathize so much with this guy.

I LOVE SC2 Mafia, many players have put so much work into it and I have INCREDIBLE respect for those players. But their efforts are ruined by trolls, griefers and generally nasty individuals, who will literally say ANYTHING behind the comforts of their computer screen.

There are players like myself that DO just want to play a good game, devoid of it's usual racism, sexism, cyber bullying and profanity that goes beyond profanity. But those games are so few and far between and more often than not, the chat log resembles that of the comment's section on your average Youtube video.

Someone above called this an ADULT game, which I don't think could be further from the truth, since in-game often looks like a 'squabble' between prepubescents.

I see players above also criticize Blizzard for not enforcing their policies. I haven't got much love for Blizzard (no hate either though, tbh) and I don't even know whether they're supposed to enforce or not, but it's beside the point... You can criticize them all you want, but this forum isn't much better. Maybe you don't have the same racism, sexism e.t c you'd find in-game, but if you consider this a friendly community, I'd say you were either blind or joking. The SC2 Mafia community has a bad rep for a reason and before you blame the problems of SC2 Mafia on someone/something else, look at this very forum.

Hell, look at the posts above. A NEW player posted his genuinely bad experience with the game (and I'll add, an experience which is just 100% accurate) and one of the answers given was simply... 'get good'. I'd say that pretty much sums up the communities' feelings towards new players in no less than two words.

I'm sorry, but you can blame the 'trolls' lurking in-game, that you have no control over, but it seems to me, that most of the time this forum can generally turn on their webcams and find one there too.

And yeah, this is the Internet, but if there's no control and/or no effort to control, penalise, condone and generally look unfavourably on such comments and overall behaviour, then guaranteed its just gonna run rampant and attract even more of the same. Don't believe me, click any random video on Youtube.

I've played SC2 Mafia for a couple of years now, but only recently came to the forum. I knew that in-game was bad, but I never expected the forum to be such a similar (albeit watered down) version. With Town of Salem now becoming another option in which to play Mafia and confirmed intentions to quell such comments/actions/behavior, SC2 Mafia seems less and less appealing to players like myself.

While Town of Salem doesn't yet hold a candle to SC2 Mafia and has a LONG way to go, that fact alone is enough for me to make a transition over there. I'd tell the same to the creator of this topic and anyone else that's passionate about Mafia but feels the same way I do about this community. Like I said, its not all bad and there are some genuinely awesome players to be found here. But it's like a carton of eggs, where only one is edible and the other five are rotten to their core.

I sympathize so much with this guy.

I LOVE SC2 Mafia, many players have put so much work into it and I have INCREDIBLE respect for those players. But their efforts are ruined by trolls, griefers and generally nasty individuals, who will literally say ANYTHING behind the comforts of their computer screen.

There are players like myself that DO just want to play a good game, devoid of it's usual racism, sexism, cyber bullying and profanity that goes beyond profanity. But those games are so few and far between and more often than not, the chat log resembles that of the comment's section on your average Youtube video.

Someone above called this an ADULT game, which I don't think could be further from the truth, since in-game often looks like a 'squabble' between prepubescents.

I see players above also criticize Blizzard for not enforcing their policies. I haven't got much love for Blizzard (no hate either though, tbh) and I don't even know whether they're supposed to enforce or not, but it's beside the point... You can criticize them all you want, but this forum isn't much better. Maybe you don't have the same racism, sexism e.t c you'd find in-game, but if you consider this a friendly community, I'd say you were either blind or joking. The SC2 Mafia community has a bad rep for a reason and before you blame the problems of SC2 Mafia on someone/something else, look at this very forum.

Hell, look at the posts above. A NEW player posted his genuinely bad experience with the game (and I'll add, an experience which is just 100% accurate) and one of the answers given was simply... 'get good'. I'd say that pretty much sums up the communities' feelings towards new players in no less than two words.

I'm sorry, but you can blame the 'trolls' lurking in-game, that you have no control over, but it seems to me, that most of the time this forum can generally turn on their webcams and find one there too.

And yeah, this is the Internet, but if there's no control and/or no effort to control, penalise, condone and generally look unfavourably on such comments and overall behaviour, then guaranteed its just gonna run rampant and attract even more of the same. Don't believe me, click any random video on Youtube.

I've played SC2 Mafia for a couple of years now, but only recently came to the forum. I knew that in-game was bad, but I never expected the forum to be such a similar (albeit watered down) version. With Town of Salem now becoming another option in which to play Mafia and confirmed intentions to quell such comments/actions/behavior, SC2 Mafia seems less and less appealing to players like myself.

While Town of Salem doesn't yet hold a candle to SC2 Mafia and has a LONG way to go, that fact alone is enough for me to make a transition over there. I'd tell the same to the creator of this topic and anyone else that's passionate about Mafia but feels the same way I do about this community. Like I said, its not all bad and there are some genuinely awesome players to be found here. But it's like a carton of eggs, where only one is edible and the other five are rotten to their core.

I can confirm that I have spotted 'Tankboy' promoting a 'Leave Train' multiple times.

I can confirm that I have spotted 'Tankboy' promoting a 'Leave Train' multiple times.

Pledged.

Really looking forward to this one.

Pledged.

Really looking forward to this one.