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    honestly tho I dont think this mafia victory was deserved. Dallarian bitched out the moment the town was forming a consensus against him to let a veteran wipe the fucking floor with us. Unfair for a noobs game.
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    I was really the only one susing Ash. I was pressuring him to give more info throughout D2 but he didn't budge.

    If yall joined me on pressuring Ash for his power role, and not let him slip by d2 and use a vet claim (in the mod, any vet claims that show up mid to late game when no alerts happened are instant lynches), this could have been a very different game.

    @Auwt and @Martin, you really killed it with this game!

    @Dallarian , I knew what you were up to. I'm surprised we didn't decide on lynching your ass on D2.

    @Ash , well played for the whole game. Even if you did seem a little scum at times, you successfully got to convince town and control them. Job well done.

    @Zedus , love you.

    gg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    Wow, just woke up and im at L-1, nice evil are organized this day, incredible, please let me read before lynching me.
    Give me a reason why I shouldn't hammer you before I go to sleep and be busy all of tomorrow. Deadass.
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    [QUOTE=Drizzt;871299]
    Quote Originally Posted by Grakylan View Post


    -vote Auwt
    not quite.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grakylan View Post
    formatting fucked up

    [ v o t e ] A u w t [ / v o t e ]

    then remove spaces
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    Who knows if I will be active at EoD2. Even I don't know. I will be heading to sleep soon and then after that doing god knows what.
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    -unvote


    just doing that in case it glitched vote count
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    formatting fucked up

    [ v o t e ] A u w t [ / v o t e ]

    then remove spaces
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    [QUOTE=Drizzt;871295]
    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    I asked this question to myself too. Because of this I already voted up Auwt.[/QUOTE

    I do not know how to formally vote but consider this Brock/Drizzt vote

    -VOTE AUWT
    you do
    -vote , then the name, then
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    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    Hell yeah, let's go then @Drizzt


    In a Martin vs Auwt scenario who would you vote for on lylo?
    I know you aren't asking the question to me, but now I'm more certain on the idea of lynching Auwt.
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    The wall post got 10 pages higher.

    The fact that Martin is ready to sacrifice himself to help town reach a consensus makes me think hes town. But he may also be a scum trying to stand 6 feet apart from Auwt as part of Social Distancing and allow him to lay low.

    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    Grak, you mind doing me a huge favor and explaining why exact you targeted bake?
    I'm sure I've said this elsewhere, but I targeted bake n2 cuz he was a null read for most people, and I wanted to clear up any neutral territory first: scum reads or town reads aren't worth the check at first.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    Wow, read the damn thread.

    I and Grak have outed ourselves as power roles and everyone has had a chance to counterclaim and no one has done so. At this point, we are both mechanically locked town. Which is freaking me out a bit to be honest, I really was thinking Grak was scum from his reactions to my outing.
    I think it's made to be. Do you have any lead as a result from your power role?

    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    Anyway on a lighter note I was just on the Game 8 podcast for Mafia Champs. So if you guys want to see me in the flesh talking mafia, check it out: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/664306128
    Random shameless plug, lmao

    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    As a mentor it isn't my job to hold the hand of my student and tell him exactly what to say when, I provided advise when prompted, taught basic scumhunting, and kept somewhat up with the game, I know a decent amount about what happened but I wasn't watching the thread like a hawk.
    This is a disingenuous argument and you know it.
    Can confirm that's what my mentor did.

    If yall still have any concerns about my sudden energy burst in SoD2, mentor didn't say all that much besides the very basics. I mainly was revigorated by the death of two townies and an unusually long period of freetime.

    On another note...

    Also we gotta think for a second, why would Dallarian suddenly leave the game after hours where we were basically coming to a consensus to lynch Dallarian? Helltanis was one thing, but Dallarian was way more active d1 then d2, so his excuse of not being able to keep up with many things seems disingenous. Especially considering I was having trouble keeping up at first but decided to stay in the game. But that also could be because I'm a town power. Even a citizen has his civic duty to vote scum out, so if a citizen leaves, not in the beginning, but in the MIDDLE of the game after a consensus against him was forming, what could that say? Could he be scum?

    And that's not to mention that deathworlds did not have such a good introduction, and is starting to give off toxic vibes.

    Could be another Zedus situation, but at this point I say we take the chance, if we are to lynch anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    It doesn't mean we're going to see two doctors in this setup, because we're not.
    How are you so certain about that?
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    Good morning. It's a shame Dallarian had to leave us, he tried his best.

    Anyhow

    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    With that in mind, either Martin or DW are lying for me right now.
    My gut is still telling me Martin, he is barking louder than he can bite if he is citizen.

    Anyhow, we have 26 hours so perhaps we use this time to watch and observe Deathworlds?

    @deathworlds Welcome to the game!

    So if Dallarian is telling the truth, then Bakermir would not visit anyone, and Dallarian wouldn't be targetted by mafia any time soon, should he be spared, simply because he looked suspicious to most people. Remember my earlier theory (grounded on scum behavior in the mod) that the suspicious looking townies would not be hit by mafia in order to serve as lynch bait for town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    At this point, it is more of Grakylan lying about his claim or not. But then, I can't decide that without input from other TPR's.
    That too, and we are also waiting on Dallarian. I feel that will be as big of a factor in determining what will happen today.

    If Dallarian doesn't clear his name, we could lynch him at EoD. I will risk dying regardless if Dallarian is scum or not, but by then you will know I wasn't lying... and you better hope you can handle a Lylo if Dallarian isn't scum.

    We will figure this out tomorrow, I promise. Good night.
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    @Dallarian

    Hi, I have some questions for you.

    When you soft claimed a power role earlier, what did you hope to achieve with that claim.
    Are you a power role?

    If so, would you feel comfortable specifying if its an investigative or a protective? (no exact role, that would be TOO much to ask for.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    P.S
    Dallarian still haven't given us any power input despite his soft claim so far.
    Exactly. And if Ash is claiming a power role straight up, we should probably pressure him instead to give out some info.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    Out of everyone, were there any reasons why did you invest me?

    Was this because Auwt called me and Zedus evil?

    What made you believe if I was going to visit someone or not?

    Why did you ask me earlier about Dallarian's indication of power?

    Why didn't you invest him instead?



    I don't know really..

    I won't discard Auwt/Grakylan combo, but I am open to look at other possibilities.
    1. you were on most people's lists as null or scum leaning and you were only sparodically active, posting a few at a time then dipping for hours on d1.

    2. The earlier laying low + people reading you as scum or null made me check you. Ofc at this point you not visiting will 90% mean citizen, and you visiting will be either scum or TPR (50/50 after renegade dies)

    3. I asked about Dallarian earlier since he seemed to have soft claimed, but the main thing is that Dallarian I believe is most likely scum due to his scummy aggro and dodging of questions, with not much town-like traits that can balance out the scum read to a slight lean or null like it did for Martin.

    4. I submitted my night action like as soon as night began then just let it rest for the next 24 hours cuz it was a nice reprieve from otherwise having to check this thread every so often. Kind of a bad play to be honest. I wanted to verify the scum reads of the majority first before I decide to pursue Dallarian. You gotta remember that you only became a town lean from me because of the lead I got that night. Otherwise you would still seem null or worse from my POV.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    I mean, anybody could have claimed "bakermir didn't do any action"
    except I can back it up with my power role claim. I claimed detective basically.
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    Guess that says a lot about my bias.
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    Sorry, not ash's question. bakermir's question. my bad. Fuck.
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    Oh and before yall go "if auwt is strong town lead why would you lynch him?" because when I said that it was a response to Ash's question which specifies if Auwt and bakermir were the only targets to lynch. With our current selection outside the paremeters of Ash's question, I would not lynch bakermir or Auwt as it stands now. Don't get fooled so easily.
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    But if there was an out for that auwt vs bakermir situation, I would pick neither if that was an option.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    If you have a strong lead on me then why would you ever vote against me?

    Do you think I am a mafia power that didn't take any action?

    What role does that?
    exactly, and thats why it kinda edges out to auwt in a situation btwn you and auwt, due to the merit that auwt did power hunt.
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    Reads list:

    Ash - null. Asks loaded trap questions, criticizes one guy for random voting while ignoring another doing the same thing. He did claim a power role, and with no third power role claim at the moment, it may be a risk to lynch him.

    Dallarian - scum. He was aggro, cryptic, and not direct with his answers.

    Auwt - strong town lean. Reads list is more nuanced and better matches the current situation, and also suggest that hes not scum by the way hes reading the less active people.

    Martin - scum leaning. His posts do give credence, but has lately accused Auwt of power hunting.... although Auwt is a pretty good town read right now. His high quality posts, often distracting and sometimes going off the rails, could be a front. Not to mention use of AtE in SoD1 (debate me on this if you may)

    Helltenis/Drizzt - town leaning. cant analyze drizzt yet but hes already testing Martin and is a quick responder to questions, so theres a point to him for that. I already ISO'd helltenis at the bottom of page 39 and concluded hes most likely citizen.

    bakermir - town leaning. I did check this guy and he didnt visit anyone. Hes most likely citizen.

    Dallarian is definitely scum. The question is if his partner is Ash or Martin. It could even be bakermir or Drizzt, although unlikely.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    If you really do have a green check on bakemir you would never lynch him.
    Ah ah ah. Did I say he is proven citizen? I only said that he is most likely citizen.
    He could also be a non-visiting mafia role. We don't know what the mafia roles specifically are.

    There's bigger targets out there right now.

    Look, that question you asked me was a loaded question.

    If I answered Auwt, you would say that shit.

    But if I answered bakemir, you would probably start pushing the Auwt/Grakylan scum team agenda.

    And if I refused to answer, it would look really sus for me.
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    Imagine a game in the mod, and I'm scum. Usually I try to take control of the sheep and get them to mislynch. And if I'm town its 50/50 either I do that "lead the sheep" strat or I lay low if I don't wanna get hit.

    And considering how withdrawn I was D1, you could probably take a guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    Who would you lynch from the two? if it was 1vs2 scenario Bakermir or Auwt
    Out of whats going on right now, Martin did bring up a good point with Auwt's suspected power hunting. And I did check you last night and you visited no one.

    It's a good question of which my answer would probably change as D2 progresses.

    As it stands now, Auwt gives off a bunch of vibes that either say "im town" or "im scum trying really hard to be town". While you are most likely a citizen.

    Let me dispel the fiction that Auwt and I are the scum team. I would lynch Auwt as it stands now unless things develop not necessarily to your favor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    ...

    This canít possibly come from actual town, can it? This has to be a wolf.

    Seriously mate you are acting so scummy right now it is going to do my head in if no one else claims.
    Im listing to you the possible scenarios that will happen. That is if scum will do things logically. As town, and especially an important one at that, you gotta get into the scum's minds to know what move you as well as the town in general should pull next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    I have a hard time reading Grak’s post as anything but a scum trying to convince the last TPR to stay hidden so he won’t be exposed, but I guess we need to wait and see.
    my claim as an investigative is legit. you are some power role, but who knows which.

    If you are a protective and you reveal now you would understandably take the hit from mafia, allowing me, the investigative, to check one sus player. And if mafia decides to hit me, you would, hopefully, be on my ass and save me.

    And if you are an investigative... then I suppose we go on the same guy. One of us will get hit, but the other will live to tell the tale.

    Me asking what kind of power role are you is the OPPOSITE of convincing you to stay hidden. I basically switched from "stay hidden" to "on second thought..." in the same post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    I would like our remaining power role to also openly claim, please.
    Would it be the right move for the other power role to reveal?

    If we lynch a citizen today, then 2 maf, 4 town on day 3. There will be atleast one power role leads. Should we mislynch on day 3, its LYLO on day 4.

    If we lynch a scum today, then 1 maf, 4 town on day 3. With the mafia found, and compound that with atleast one power role lead, it will be easier to find the teammate and finish the game.

    If we lynch a town power, refer to scenario one, but with less power role leads.

    How easy would it be to lynch correctly today if the second power role reveals themselves, and will they likely survive the night?

    In fact, lets narrow it down a little bit further, are you a protective or an investigative? NO need for exact role.
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    Alright if Martin gotta go, I will go too. I gotta cook up something for myself so don't be surprised if I go quiet for the next hour or two.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    Has anyone else noticed that Grak today is almost like a completely different person, by the way?

    Day one he was, in his own words, a headless chicken. Today heís come in with confident reads and a clear agenda.

    Itís almost like he spent the night phase chatting with someone and formulating a strategy.
    And day 1 is always hectic. No one would be dead yet, so all you had to go on was mindgames. Of course I would feel less confident then.

    I get your concern tho, and I do notice the difference. I'm aware.
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    anyhow, my ISO on helltenis

    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    Do we all have 1 life from bad guys attck?
    If hes a genuine noob he may have actually been citizen. Or he was mafia killer and was overwhelmed by the amount of citizens.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    I am Helltanis I ve been summoned here to bring the hell fleet to the heavens and execute all those who oppose me and my fellow citizens so that justice may be served
    Breadcrumbing as cit

    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    Anyway if there are investigators let investigators invest and I pay attention to suspicious behaviour. There shall be justice
    Ditto. Stating the obvious as if he doesnt want to be seen as totally quiet. Could be a lil sus.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    Yo Dallarian you feeling suspicious now? Hehe
    Post 106 (page 6). Not clear what hes referencing. This was after Dallarian voting Auwt and referencing a SC2 scene.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    Ah I just wait for a mentor...
    The edited post. This was originally a vote for Martin. Did his mentor pull the strings?

    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    I d be survivor that way I can get clues if evildoers and possible townies were I could possibly side with
    possibly a response to martin's power role question. No survivors in game.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    Hi hi how you guys doing
    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    If you could do anything what would you do?
    These two posts came in quick succession. No one answered his question. Renegade asked for his opinion on Martin, and no reply.

    He disappears for 2 hours.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    Page 1-3

    Not much has happened, Martin is asking question and showing people how to vote Ash Lael , questions Martin's methods. Clearly I think it good idea to ask question I have not been hear during page 1evaluation
    Response to Martin's question asking him for his opinion on this game. Restating the obvious and not bringing anything new to the table.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    So far I'm just getting my thoughts together to help us as town or the bad guys might get the advantage
    This was his excuse.

    Martin thanked him for responding quickly.

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    Found some stuff that triggered , Graklyn is on my scum alert because he dosent mind lynching, Dallarain said my the town win and dint include himself makes me think his sus, Martin, Ash l'eau , Zedus seem town so far , I ll make another evaluation soon
    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    I don't know what to make of auwt,bakmir and renegade at the moment
    His reads, made on June 25, 11am on us west coast time. His scum read on me was fair and expected for the atittude at the time. He scum reads Dallarin for a pretty weak reason. This was before Zedus started being toxic.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    [Vote]Graklyn
    30 min after posting read he attempts to vote me. fails cuz not proper vote format, and name misspelling.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    So why would @Zedus have reaction just from Martin asking the question instead he could of politely decline
    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    It seems like theres something hiding through just my theory
    Pretty vague and hedgey assumption.

    He signs off and says goodbye at June 25, 1:30pm on us west coast time and returns 12 hours later.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    snip. just click the arrow button on quote box to see his reads list
    He lists reasons why each person can be town or scum. Doesn't give definite reads on any of them. Said he needed to recap on bakir.
    Says I've been afk (true), and could be scum ducking very low. Thats a lot coming from him.
    Says Martin is either the greatest ally of town or is a scum power hunting and getting town trust early.
    Says Renegade is paying attention to the very quiet and is either town or a scum looking for easy lynch for doing that.
    Says bakmir has "interesting info" (what interesting info?), but says he was "deceptive" in page 1-3 with "useless posts"
    Says Auwt has "nice theorys" on quiet ones, making him a town read, but also "scum for giving info to lower tension"???
    Says Ash is a "great town ally" with a very sharp mind but could be "good at deception" and getting trust, advises to get more info on ash before fully scum reading him
    Says Dallarian is a "good town" for using votes to pressure people (that should make me good town according to this guy who said I "didnt mind lynching" too?) and is mostly fine.
    Says Zedus was town due to wanting no-lynch (contentious claim) but is scum cuz of his reaction to Martin's question at him.

    Overall hes another guy criticizing me and praising Dallarian for doing exactly the same thing (using votes to pressure for info)

    He re-evaluates bakmir 15-20 min later

    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    Re-evaluation
    @Bikimar
    Townbecause gave information early on the forum game and claims to read
    Scumstill a bit quite on (im assuming pages) 10-20 with little or no information
    15 minutes later solidifies his scum read on Bakmir and (correctly) town reads Renegade

    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    Scum lean
    @Bakmir still he reads and has little or no information as townie so his low value target for mafia or he is a scum

    Town lean
    @Renegade he gets information out of people a town sign

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    Maybe his mentor told him to be less hedgey and hes just going for non-contentious opinions as a bare minimum?

    Ash still calls him out on his excessive hedginess after the post. (around post 450)

    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    I want everyone to answer this question

    If you had 3 wishes what would you wish for
    I d wish for fame and reputation from my fellow comrades
    I d wish for corna to go away really impacts my future
    I d wish for a successful career as an accountant
    This was a distracting question right after Ash accused him of editing out his Martin vote.

    Actual answer later:
    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    I edited my post cause I did it unsuccessfully and thought I d be making a fool if my self however superjack I understand this my rise suspicion to me early on
    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    Well you right to think I'm suspicious but I'm tryna aid us as town I ve alrdy gave some stuff that could make sense why we could be scum possible I could be scum for lying _forgetten/editing posts but I ll make it clear and try to redeem myself, I dont want to make town mislynch otherwise we would be giving mafia advantage
    atleast hes understanding.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    -vote Grakyln
    He votes me cuz im on top of his scum list. Ash retorts by town reading me based off of this one vote. LMAO

    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    Ok so what's your reasoning for grak being town?
    A good question for (I'm assuming) Bakmir.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helltanis View Post
    I dont think Dallarian 100% town I gave my reasoning a possibility why he might be town, I miss interpreted ash gender and I think Auwt only spoke for value information when Dallarain voted him but anyway just how I interpreted it, Graklyn seemed sus to me in a way that he was to quite
    His last post. Once again doesnt even consider the possibility that I could have been busy in the same manner he was on Day 1 (which was true)

    In conclusion, Helltenis may have been a genuinely confused citizen, or a genuinely confused scum, or a scum who played dumb at first to make people underestimate him. We shall see if Drizzt's behavior reflect these possibilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    Has anyone else noticed that Grak today is almost like a completely different person, by the way?

    Day one he was, in his own words, a headless chicken. Today heís come in with confident reads and a clear agenda.

    Itís almost like he spent the night phase chatting with someone and formulating a strategy.
    24 hours of uninterrupted time to read 30 pages does wonders.
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    You know what, now is a really good time to ISO Helltenis. I will do it if no one else will.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bakermir View Post
    Welcome @Drizzt ,
    Can you please elaborate? You have replaced a low input slot and I don't see any difference. You will continue to be seen scummy if you don't correct that.
    Hell, he responded 4 minutes after I asked him a question and was already testing Martin. Hes prob trying to inherit helltenis' citizen role.

    But we do need to keep eyes on Drizzt's synergy with other players NOW.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    He mentioned being busy towards mid/late d1, before we got near EoD. I don't know if it still stands. But for the past few hours it's been nighttime in the EU, so he probably wont be active for a bit. All he could spend on SoD2 was about 2 hours, normally he gets off (for my time) around 6PM. D2 started at 5PM today. So he really couldn't stay around for long.
    Understandable. So a false alarm.

    Theres still other reasons to be suspicious of Dallarian however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Drizzt View Post
    Ash came to your defense pretty quick, w/e that means.
    Well, what do you think it means? Please list off the possibilities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    However thereís another player that came in with an intent to cast doubt on Auwt and thatís Dallarian. He then dipped and allowed the loud voices of myself and Martin to take over but... maybe weíre all three just townies being manipulated into fighting each other and the real team is Grak/Dallarian.
    Dallarian was talking a lot Day 1 and he suddenly became a lot less active. Not sure if busy or if something is up.

    But you know my opinion on Dallarian already. Read post 706.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    So with Martinís planned, concerted push on Auwt, thereís an argument for a Grak/Martin team.
    I'm paired with Martin when I'm defending Auwt from Martin? Makes me think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    And why donít *you* consider that a question that needs to be answered?
    I said it already: Auwt is a loudmouth. And a very solid one at that.

    The strat scum could be employing is to shoot the sheep. A lion cant find against two wolves if he doesnt have a group of sheep to trample them. Scum can coordinate a lynch on a town mouthpiece once all the townies that are following are gone, making it easier for confirmed towns to be lynched, and harder for scum, who may become more overt as the game goes on, to get lynched. Renegade followed popular opinion, not forming it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    I didn’t take it seriously. There was no heat on Auwt, there was no actual push coming with the vote... I just didn’t think anything of it.
    Well I don't expect pushes to lynch early in day 1 either. Every lynch is random, and any push was only to get information. So I interpreted Dallarian's vote on Auwt like that under the guise of memery, cuz I did that plenty of times in the mod.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    unless somehow its a Helltanis/Dallarian team.
    Honestly that seems very likely.

    My scum list has Dallarian. Yours has Dallarian. Idk what others have to think of Dallarian but seems the next hours won't be pretty for him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    Neither do I, to be honest.
    Can I invest in the hedge fund?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    Another alternative is Helltanis, as far as everyone's concerned, he hasn't popped up in awhile. Last activity at #476.
    that much is true.

    Considering its his first time he must have forgotten the game even existed.

    I do want to hear from him however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    So, my tinfoil theory, with the evidence above is this: Is Auwt aligned with Grakylan, and if Grakylan is scum, does this incriminate Auwt?
    Of course we're aligned. We're town!
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    And what did I say about Dallarian being aggro for no reason? Always pushing Auwt as part of a grudge that isn't known to new players like me, and being cryptic when asked a question about said aggro-ness.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dallarian View Post
    The perfect answer would be to insert here a video (or link), but unfortunately it is against the rules, so I will just put it in a text form.

    Artanis: Do not presume to lecture me about my decisions, Tal'darim.
    Alarak: But. I so enjoy our exchanges.

    But idk who is who here.
    Its not a good look for Dallarian is all I'm saying.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    Ugh, tried to rewrite that sentence and mangled it sorry. I meant to say his reason for voting Auwt was an obvious joke.
    Jokes fly over our head. Plus if it was a joke he probably would have unvoted pretty soon. But the fact that he kept his vote for many hours after he cast it and my whole messy introduction says wonders about Dallarian. Even with the context of the grudge, the vote stayed for a long time. That doesn't seem like a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    Why were *you* not a target for scum Auwt?

    Why do you not even consider you might have been a target for scum?
    Remember that our doc was Renegade. And he saw things a bit differently from us. He was a townie who believed in lynching people like me, and Auwt wasn't. So I could see how he could have duped himself into not healing Auwt.

    Scum felt safe shooting Renegade since they still have the influence to push the mislynch on the same people. Renegade was after all only a sheep. You shoot the sheep as scum, not the loudmouths, because shooting the loudmouths is too much attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ash Lael View Post
    Iíll believe it when I see it.
    Then go look for it. I went through the effort to find your questioning of my Auwt vote. Why can't you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Auwt View Post
    By the way, Zedus might have done this to save time for town.
    Mafia would have maybe go for him thinking him as a power role, and then "waste" a kill on a Citizen
    That's very much possible. He saw the limitless potential for a mafia-pushed mislynch on me or Helltenis.
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