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  1. Forum:Serious Discussion & Debate

    Thread:covid 19 vaccine

    Thread Author:oops_ur_dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    I mean, that's what I'm saying.

    Saying things like "so and so a friend of so and so said someone who got the shot is dying from it".

    Need more information.

    Otherwise, why say it at all?
    Fair enough.
  2. Forum:Serious Discussion & Debate

    Thread:covid 19 vaccine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    I think the better word is confirmation bias, Renegade.
    Don't you think it'd have been slightly better of you to ask for circumstances before making any presumptions?
    Like, I don't think there'd be any confirmation bias involved if he was rushed to hospital right after the injection. I don't know the full story. But these presumptions I'm hearing here of "evil deliberate scare tactics" or proclaiming confirmation bias before knowing any of the circumstances - they're worrying to see for me.
  3. Forum:Serious Discussion & Debate

    Thread:covid 19 vaccine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    Anecdotes like these without any real information are just scare tactics.
    I don't think anyone's laughing nor plotting malevolent tactics.
  4. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:My Perma-Ban on MU

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    So what do we got here in the end? Here's my summary:

    1. A justified ban due to a combination of
    1.1. "We arent interested in discussing your opinions further. Its about people being offended by what youre saying and what their interpretation of your words is, not what your intention behind the words may be." - which is well in line in 99% of their bans.
    1.2. Majority here, of those who read the debate, having the same interpretation as the mods on MU
    2. A questionable extent of the ban - arguably against their own established rules

    3. A public humilation with out of context quotes combined with denying the ability to defend himself.
    4. An inexcusable aftermath of the ban, with not even allowing for an appeal.

    That's about it for me how I view this atm.
    Having said that, I'll drop this topic for at least a while if not for forever. I'm feeling a dissonance and I'm quite certain I'm having a lack of objectivity in this now.
    I forgot one..
    5. They technically lied to their community on two occasions:
    5.1. They made it sound like Helz had the option for an appeal.
    5.2. Their stated reason for the ban does not correlate with their stated reason in their email to Helz.


    Their sincerity with the public is shown to be wanting.
    Their post-ban treatment of those banned is questionable, though understandable to an extent.
    The extent of this particular ban can be viewed as extreme, but it's under their "0 zero tolerance" policy.

    Despite all those bad attributes, the ban itself goes in line with the line of thought of virtually all their bans.

    For the extent of the ban, I've suggested them to have a list of punishments per crime. They and their community disagreed, so there's nothing more than can be done there.
    Wrt their sincerity/openness with the public and their post-ban treatment of those banned - that's their mod teams business.

    @Helz for me, this settles every aspect of this topic that I think of atm.
    Is there something else that you desire to get out of this?



    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    I dont think anyone has actually expressed agreement with Helz getting banned? Rumox and oops both disagreed with what Helz said and both yet said they were complete bitches for banning him.
    Yah, you misunderstood something about what I said.
  5. Forum:Serious Discussion & Debate

    Thread:covid 19 vaccine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stealthbomber16 View Post
    I could see how someone might be put off by this. Fair enough.
    The school that my mom works in has a boy who looks like he'll likely die from his vaccine. Something with the heart, idk the details.
    The teachers are not big fans of this discussion of mandating vaccines on children that's going around.
  6. Forum:Serious Discussion & Debate

    Thread:covid 19 vaccine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    I will repeat that if one's qualms for taking the vaccine are primarily the length of time it's been around, they should be equally hesitant of "new" technologies such as cars or even new generation cell phones. It is true that the virus has been around only for a year and a half (almost 2?) and we don't know a lot about it, but mRNA technology is not new at all.
    yah, I'm just saying how you made it sound like.



    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Ozy, are your doctors private sector workers, and the teachers public sector workers? That could explain why the mandate exists for teachers and not doctors.
    I don't follow tbh. AFAIK, both are present in both - private and public sectors - and neither is above law.

    Regardless though, looking this up - I seem to have missed something. They're apparently waiting The European Medicines Agency to finish their research, probably October, approving that it's safe to vaccinate children from age 5; they're discussing wether or not to mandate children from that age to vaccinate. Discussion about teachers is not even a discussion.
    Looking more into it, it seems that the French Government has mandated that children aged 12 to 17 must be vaccinated by 30 September 2021 - so at least we're not the first by any means.


    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    Also, isn't it "whataboutism" to say that teachers shouldn't be vaccinated because doctors don't have a mandate?
    True. But that doesn't nullify that "what about" concern, nor excuse the double standard imho. But you're right.
  7. Forum:Serious Discussion & Debate

    Thread:covid 19 vaccine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    I think it was already mentioned in the thread that having concern about getting the vaccine due to how long its been out is related to the following points.

    - the flu vaccine is also redone every year
    - the technology behind the vaccine is not one year old. Having a concerns out this is similar to someone having concerns about getting into a 2021 honda odyssey.
    That was my concern, among others.
    You make it sound like my individual concerns reflect that of everyone.

    I'm fairly certain that the most popular concern against the vaccines around the world is people seeing more and heavier side effects from them as they should from published statistics.

    There's a little bit of double standard in that regard on the web, as I see it. On the one hand - seemingly everything has been linked to long term effects of the virus and it needs more testing/research/studies. On the other hand - don't worry about the possible vaccine side effects, as disastrous as some of the cases it might be, because they're rare, no need for more research.

    Some people knowing personally more cases of bad side effects than should be statistically likely might make for an anecdotal case, as that's not how statistics work. And it doesn't help that so many rely on "I heard of that one guy who personally knows x cases of y side effect". But I see it as a perfectly human reason for concern.


    Btw, SB16, here in my country - teachers are (technically not for a few months still) forced to vaccinate to be allowed to work as teachers. And even without that, the amount of restrictions people have if not vaccinated makes for a bad case for "you've a choice".
    That teacher thing is weird tbh. Because children are not a risk group, while on the other hand doctors, who're in contact with risk groups daily, are not mandated to get vaccinated. :/
  8. Forum:Serious Discussion & Debate

    Thread:covid 19 vaccine

    Thread Author:oops_ur_dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Yeah funny how that works. On the 26th of December the number of deaths was around ~2.9mln but now it jumped up by 400,000. This actually does not make sense.
    Ftr, I'm pretty sure this's due to bureaucracy.
    At the end of the year, especially where government is concerned, everything has to be set in order so the new upcoming year can be started from a blank slate.

    Maybe someone here has experience in bookkeeping or accounting for government thingies, or something like that, and elaborate on that a little? But yeah, AFAIK that's normal - unless I'm misunderstanding something here, which might well be the case.
  9. Forum:Serious Discussion & Debate

    Thread:covid 19 vaccine

    Thread Author:oops_ur_dead

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    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    I'll be honest man, I mostly debate debunk because it's fun. It's like a never-ending series of logic puzzles where you gotta spot the mistake in each individual post.
    Fixed it for you.

    Edit: also, yeah, I'd 100% had taken the posted statistics at face value if it wasn't for oops and aamirus. I appreciate that.
  10. Forum:Serious Discussion & Debate

    Thread:covid 19 vaccine

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    Are you actually concerned anyone on the site would be swayed by mag's posts tho? Conversely, can you name a single republican/conservative leaning person on the site who reads these threads and has their mind changed after seeing mag's points dismantled? I really struggle to see the positive utility to this discussion, on a political level.
    I think most would never had double checked the stats that Mag posted, if oops didn't start it.
    I know I wouldn't have.
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    ►►Re: How many chances should a person be given?◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Why are you pretending this is anything other than the argument you and Helz had spilling over into a different thread
    What are you talking about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Plotato View Post
    Quran 9:123 "O you who believe, fight those disbelievers who are near you, and let them find severity in you. Know well that Allah is with the God-fearing."
    I prefer the love spreading Muhammad over the warmongering Muhammad.
    I wish they just deleted the latter from the Quran.

    There is no God but Allah and Muhammad is his messenger, but Muhammad is a stupid fuck who couldn't handle not gaining any followers for when he was preaching love - so he said [I]"fuck it, let's fearmonger with conquering and torturing"[./I]
  13. Forum:Serious Discussion & Debate

    Thread:covid 19 vaccine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Voss View Post
    It's sad that y'all have to expel so much effort to, point by point, deconstruct someone's argument; this individual being someone that has shown multiple times to wade into an argument refusing to even read sources let alone understand them.
    Worlds purest contrarian.
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    [Misc. Suggestion] ►►Re: Vigilantes should be able to leave a DEATH NOTE!◄◄

    A self confirming vigilante?
    I'd hard veto this idea.
  15. ►►Re: How come a doc cannot save you from being attacked twice at night?◄◄

    1 doc saves from 1 kill, it has always been like that.
    I think it's better that way.
  16. Forum:Serious Discussion & Debate

    Thread:covid 19 vaccine

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    I didn't, on the contrary... not constructive and not fun. People are not trying to prove their point is right, they're trying to prove the others wrong out of spite.
    I don't entirely agree on the not constructive part.
    Despite what philosophers have thought about reasoning for 2000+ years, I do believe that the last 50+ years of experiments showcasing the human inadequacy of being objective on their own makes for a good case to believe in the hypothesis that human reasoning has evolved to only convince others and to judge the given reasonings of others in return.
    There's value in someone being the devil's advocate, even if it starts flawed, because arguing is essential in my view.

    Though I agree that it wasn't so productive here as of yet, but I'd definitely never discourage it and always welcome it for as long as it's honest and not just trolling.
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    ►►Re: Fancy poem discussion / fakeness in society◄◄

    Ngl, I need to either get a better working memory or a pen and paper. Can't read 3 sentences without forgetting the previous ones and therefore not understanding the context.

    Imagine stopping reading a poem not even halfway through because it's too much for your brain.
    That's me and me.
  18. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:GUIDE: In-game commands & rank unlocks

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    Feel free to PM me the info or leave it at my doorstep
  19. Forum:Mafia Discussion

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    Hello,

    How can you unlock secret execution? that is the only thing i would like \_(ツ)_/
  20. Forum:Serious Discussion & Debate

    Thread:covid 19 vaccine

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    I missed this, ngl
  21. Forum:Serious Discussion & Debate

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    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    Btw this is not an exaggeration I literally had someone tell me to my face that it's "scary" that we've been conditioned and brainwashed into taking baskets when we go to the grocery store.
    Would it be false of me to automatically assume that they're likely schizophrenic and likely to believe in conspiracy theories?
  22. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:The meaning of Intelligence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    Working memory (kind of like RAM in a computer) is directly related to intelligence
    Any source?

    I remember many years ago Dual-N-Back was heavily advertised as increasing one's intelligence by exercising working memory.
    But when I looked into the associated studies myself, I came to the conclusion that the only objective conclusion that it came to was that playing Dual-N-Back makes you only better at Dual-N-Back.
    Same story for all brain games. Maybe some have provided some anecdotal evidence that such exercises can increase IQ by a few points, but imho that might just be when someone hasn't "used brain" for a very long time.

    Similarly, Jordan Peterson claims to have looked into IQ related studies very extensively and found nothing that could increase it.

    It's a very romantic idea, that brain exercises could increase one's IQ. I can see why such ideas can easily spread. But I've never found any evidence for - only the contrary.

    Edit: before someone wants to call me out of doing a false equivalency of intelligence=IQ, I want to quote:
    Intelligence is the mental ability to respond to new and changing situations in a purposeful way that demonstrates comprehension, learning, abstract thinking, and problem solving capabilities. An IQ is a number that attempts to measure a person's intelligence.
    Though, there's also..
    Some scientists argue that intelligence is such a complicated concept that comes in so many different flavors, that it is impossible to condense it all into a single number. One common theory, proposed by psychologist Howard Gardner, is that there are eight different types of intelligence: interpersonal, intrapersonal, kinesthetic, linguistic, logical, musical, naturalistic, and spatial.
    Traditional IQ tests do a good job of measuring linguistic and logical intelligence, but they fail to measure intelligence in the other areas.
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    Thread:The meaning of Intelligence

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebringer View Post
    0/133. Makes sense. I didn't know how to submit my score.

    Ontopic: the more i grow older the more i think having a better memory is a sign of intelligence and my memory is kind of shit.

    U can be good at pattern recognition (which is really alll IQ is measuring), but have shit memory and ur IQ is fucking meaningless. If you can't retain the information/patterns u see to apply them over and over, its like having a gun with only one bullet. Sure, its nice to have if you need it but you only have one shot.
    Actually, linguistic skills are also commonly measured in traditional IQ tests.
  25. Forum:Horrendous Content

    Thread:I really really like

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    I just now realized it wasn't MM who stickied this.
  26. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:Post your favourite songs

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    ►►Re: Post your favourite songs◄◄

    honorary mention though:
    system of a downa bljed
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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    On a serious note, we've had a lot of these threads. I have lost count, but this is probably at least the fifth. I don't mind reading a debate, but can't we at least discuss something new?
    What was the consensus?
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    ►►Re: Non-leading title about speech◄◄

    Elaboration: it's opinions about the social media hate speech law that I'm interested in hearing about.
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    ►►Non-leading title about speech◄◄

    https://gab.com/a/posts/106936538508805894

    German government wishes to enforce their hate speech law on a website. That website is proclaiming itself as a social network that champions free speech.
    The website, so it's said, has a history/drama surrounding it with regards to spreading neonazi stuff. But I feel like it shouldn't be relevant in this discussion.
    Their choice is between either banning hate speech or banning German IPs. They chose the latter.

    Where do you stand on banning hate speech for the cost of having less free speech and why?
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    Thread:Interesting

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plotato View Post
    either that's a huge abscess in the pelvic area or that a fucking bulge and either way this is why i never wanted to be a fucking doctor
    Just a transgender AFAIK
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    @Stealthbomber16
    Was this safe posting?
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    ►►Interesting◄◄

    Spoiler : NSFW :
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    Thread:Post your favourite songs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    Btw, I'm still listening to Saule, Perkons, Daugava since you linked it and still love it ^^
  34. Forum:General Discussion

    Thread:My Perma-Ban on MU

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    Quote Originally Posted by aamirus View Post
    Helz what you need to clarify is the usage of the term “black culture”. I don’t think anyone will disagree that the culture in gang-filled ghettos leads to a cycle of crime. But I do disagree with calling that “black culture”, even if a large percentage of black Americans live in such areas.

    You yourself mentioned that things were similar for whites living in similar conditions in some European countries so I know you don’t equate it to being about race. And yet you still called it “black culture”, sort of contradicting yourself? “Asian culture glorifying academics” is just as problematic too. Japanese, Indians, Indonesians, and iraqis all have some united cultural drive to do well in academics? Again I get the stereotype you’re addressing but perhaps you just need to use some different wording?
    First I thought that ammirus was right on point.
    But on a second thought, this is only relevant for:
    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    All that said- I would appreciate either poking them to just follow their established process or telling me I am genuinely wrong so I can stop loosing sleep over this issue. I am really sick of feeling like shit over this and its not even about a video game.
    Which we now know, thanks to the first sentence in #34, that Helz would only be interested from the MU mods and not from aynone else. In retrospect - this makes a lot of my posting here irrelevant too.





    So what do we got here in the end? Here's my summary:

    1. A justified ban due to a combination of
    1.1. "We aren’t interested in discussing your opinions further. It’s about people being offended by what you’re saying and what their interpretation of your words is, not what your intention behind the words may be." - which is well in line in 99% of their bans.
    1.2. Majority here, of those who read the debate, having the same interpretation as the mods on MU
    2. A questionable extent of the ban - arguably against their own established rules

    3. A public humilation with out of context quotes combined with denying the ability to defend himself.
    4. An inexcusable aftermath of the ban, with not even allowing for an appeal.

    That's about it for me how I view this atm.
    Having said that, I'll drop this topic for at least a while if not for forever. I'm feeling a dissonance and I'm quite certain I'm having a lack of objectivity in this now.
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    Thread:My Perma-Ban on MU

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firebringer View Post
    I don't think Ozy is being fair on regards to Helz not responding to mods? From my understanding all communication was unavailable for appealing before others made a hissy fit, so his critisism that "Helz not replying to them" is strange. Or is this on the initial conversation that started it all.
    I never talked about "Helz not responding to mods".



    Quote Originally Posted by Firebringer View Post
    I don't know. Ozy writes in a way I don't always understand his points, and Helz points are all over the place in this thread that I don't understand what point he is trying to make. Arguments between the two don't even seem like they are in the same ballpark.
    I agree.
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    Thread:My Perma-Ban on MU

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    Quote Originally Posted by yzb25 View Post
    I don't see why people are diverging so heavily away from the conduct of the mods into the specifics of the opinions actually being discussed. Unless you believe the views Helz shared actually are racist, grotesque or violate their Ts and Cs in some way, it's not really relevant. The judgement doesn't become more or less fair if the opinion is "correct" or "well-argued".
    If people could stop giving support's on blind faith, that'd be great.
    First there were 100+ posts on discord+forums agreeing with the MU mods, a witch hunt after Helz and his supporters.
    Now there's witch hunt after MU mods.
    On both sides most didn't bother looking into anything, just taking the word of whomever they're supporting.

    I myself need the case to be put under scrutiny before I support either.
    My own interpretation is in #7, however I said I don't understand most of what was even said.
    Now as it stands, thanks to #18+#19+#20, it seems that even the people here share the same interpretation as the mods on MU? Which atm is the majority of people looking into it themselves?
    Combine that with Helz not replying to them, and it's objective to support the ban?

    I can't agree with the aftermath of it all though - that lost the MU mods credibility for me.

    I wish Helz to take care of his mental health.
    I wish others to not go on blind faith witch-hunts. Though I suppose that's what communities do, judging by both MU and SC2Mafia?
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    ►►Re: Light_Yagami Random Bullshit Go◄◄

    https://youtu.be/R8vlNbk0Yww
    This comment section can make your day better
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    Thread:My Perma-Ban on MU

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    Those racist laws are no longer a thing. Segregation law is a law of the past. How do they affect today?

    And to be safe, it was supposed to address #18, #19, #20 - correct?
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    Thread:My Perma-Ban on MU

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    I still don't see how a law from 60 years ago affects the prison populations today.

    Don't you really see how many inferences one has to make to even attempt to follow your thoughts process? Either that or I'm more dumb than I ever realized.

    I'm sorry that my best efforts of advising to speak understandably fell on deaf ears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    Uhh.. I am not even sure where to start with this one.

    Segregation laws were laws making it criminal to do basic stuff. Like "Being black and dating a white woman"

    My point that calling that a crime does not make the individual immoral but rather the system is pretty clear. I can provide specific examples but I feel like its kinda stupid for me to do so. I am making a very valid and clear position here about how saying something is a crime does not mean its derogatory to the individual while also pointing out that my argument was not hateful to a racial group simply because I was arguing that systemic racism created through laws was itself immoral.

    If you would like I could go grab some law books and dig some stuff up for you but honestly.. just.. wtf dude? I do not understand why you keep reframing the issue as irrational or that the entirety of the MU community supports it. If its a big deal to you I can PM you on the subject in a few weeks when I am back from work but I think there is a very real issue going on here.
    I hope your confusion about my confusion will motivate you to speak more understandable in the future. Nobody is out to get you.

    Just to be clear, that mention of a law that was 60 years ago - is it supposed to address anything that MM or Oberon or oops said? As far as I understand, they're addressing the "black culture makes you go to prison" argument? I don't think a law from 60 years ago is relevant if so.
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    People listening to you aren't supposed to follow your inferences magically out of thin air dude..
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Tbh, I personally would appreciate if you provided specific examples to go along with your future statements. Like "The most overt example is segregation." is not a specific example. For all I know you're pulling it out of your rear.
    I stopped being lazy and googled it. My amazing deduction skills figured out googling "segregation law".

    It's:
    De jure segregation mandated the separation of races by law, and was the form imposed by slave codes before the Civil War and by Black Codes and Jim Crow laws following the war. De jure segregation was outlawed by the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965, and the Fair Housing Act of 1968.

    Ok what the actual fuck? It's a law over half a century old. How the F is it remotely relevant to the topic of today's prison population and culture influence on it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    Something that keeps getting misinterpreted...
    By now I think it should be clear that it's your fault?

    Whenever there's a misinterpretation, I feel like it's the responsibility of the one talking to prevent that. That's my general take that some agree and others disagree. But in this scenario a large majority seemed to not get you, even here on SC2Mafia. Yes? Idk because it's still too complicated all for me.

    I wish to point you towards Importance of Simplification, again.
    Especially:
    Sometimes we inadvertently write sentences that can be interpreted in more than one way. When something's written in simple manner, there's less chance for ambiguity.

    Tbh, I personally would appreciate if you provided specific examples to go along with your future statements. Like "The most overt example is segregation." is not a specific example. For all I know you're pulling it out of your rear.
    Or this "When norms are punished it doesnt equate to the individual being immoral but rather the system being immoral." - it literally doesn't tell me anything and idk wtf you're talking about.
    Similarly to how in your "debate" you link to a study link but fail to give any form of summary of how you came to your inference. How's anyone to take it serious and not nefarious? Even now idk how a study that speaks about "Social categorization occurs spontaneously, without much thought to our part" to you doing a social categorization yourself.

    While on the topic, pulling a Jordan Peterson doesn't give you credibility either. It loses you it.

    I just can't stress the importance of speaking understandable enough.
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    A self thought out reason for an arbitrary number would come from a hubris that's just mental imho.

    If there's a way to justify a number, then only by something that has a empirical basis. Loosen up the justice system for some time and evaluate the numbers - see after how many incidents there's 0% hope based on statistics.

    But, tbh, the example that you pointed out only shows a rehabilitation inadequacy of the justice system. Are you sure you're asking the right questions here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    But something should change in how the global community is afraid to even speak about the site that hosts the championships.
    I mean, me personally, I don't care about the champs and dislike how we have had most of our reps go because they were voted and felt like they had to, not because they wanted to.
    The first 3 reps stopped playing FM basically immediately after their champs game if not mistaken?
    I'd prefer to not vote or suggest anyone next years before they themselves say that they want to go. I'm glad that this year's reps were both interested themselves.
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    I mean, you could host a Walrus and have one of the cats be "Your favorite song".

    SPF had a Walrus one of the cats was exactly that. My sub was only 16th place [ https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums...=1#post5254529 ]
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    Pumpkin Pancakes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I can not help but wonder how many other people have been railroaded like this. If I am not genuinely being treated differently their moderation culture is really fucked up.
    In the sense of bypassing their own rule about not banning from site (or discord itself if discord general rules have been followed) for what happens in #debate - you're not the first.
    In the sense of denying an appeal - I don't see how you could be. They'd need more staff for appeals to become manageable, and I've never heard of an appeal going through if such has happened (though I'm relatively new?). At least imho.


    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    At the end of the day mods are not the community, they just exist to protect the community and although I love many respects of MU that attitude is something that has kept me out of it.
    It wasn't just the mods agreeing. Everyone (from MU) who bothered commenting on it, on either forums or discord, agreed with the mods.
    I have doubts how many of them checked up on anything, as they looked eager to just trash on someone, but it was community consensus nevertheless. At least judging by the few who voiced their opinions (which was more people than mods ftr).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    The chat log you gave started mid way though the conversation but I appreciate it.
    I mean, if you wish I can send you from when https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-trending-41692593 was posted like over 36h earlier. But it talked about Pearson, books, information, voting, politics. I really don't see the relevance though.

    You did say "I desperately need to just go to sleep at this point, but I feel the need to point out how religions and power structures are two very different things" just before you left in that convo. But it's like 26 hours earlier and the only related on the topic post.
    I really feel like the convo that was 26-36h before when this convo started is an entirely different one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    [02-Apr-21 12:39 PM] Helz#8260
    On the most basic level- Asian culture glorifys academic success. African American culture glorifys sucess in sports


    [02-Apr-21 12:40 PM] Mixolydia#8907
    how does that relate to prison populations



    [02-Apr-21 12:40 PM] Helz#8260
    Compare the same cultural drives with crime culture
    For judging only this, which caused the ban, I want to share a personal story. Not really story though..
    In my small town that I grew up - it was glorified the idea to beat up anyone who's not from around here.
    It's not as bad anymore as it used to be, but well over half a century - if anyone visited our town to party or something, they'd be beat up for no other reason than for not being from around. I remember a bunch of 12 year olds waiting for a foreign kids volleyball team to get out in order to beat them up. They didn't, they chickened out, but that's how glorified the whole idea was.

    Gang culture is s thing in America AFAIK, and due to history and economics - it's mostly minority groups.

    Denying how growing up in different place makes you a different person, and calling such an idea as bigotry - I think is not very rational.

    Having said that, I wouldn't call that "debate" chat a debate. Idk what it was, but it wasn't debate. One side spoke incomprehensible and with imho bad argumentation, the other I don't think tried to understand (not really at least).
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