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[QUOTE=Elixir;485180]The originals.

Fuck that was a lifetime ago.

Good necro though[/QUOTE]

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Originally Posted by Elixir

The originals.

Fuck that was a lifetime ago.

Good necro though

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I'm sad I missed this; it looks like it was a good game. The FM account names sure take me back... :)

I'm sad I missed this; it looks like it was a good game. The FM account names sure take me back...

Eh, I'm reminded why I only come back to this site a couple times a year.

Eh, I'm reminded why I only come back to this site a couple times a year.

[QUOTE=Slaol;415613]I am against any action that suggest people edit their play style to become the same player.
[/QUOTE]

How is this what he's doing at all? This is equivalent to being opposed to talking about strategy in any game.

Since when is your opinion so much more valuable than his? After all, you are just a single person and I'm against any action that perpetuates an oppressively bad site meta. (And I really don't give a damn about current mod hierarchy.)

Yayap's expressing his view, but that's not going to dictate how future people play the game. He says he's against people playing dumb to hide their COM, but that's not going to stop me when I think it's in line with my role. He says that discussion is largely bad on d1 but that's not going to stop people from scumhunting, or from trolling, or from pretending to do so.

I think it would be a cool tradition to start, to give the games' MVP the chance to comment in detail on the game once it's over.

Originally Posted by Slaol

I am against any action that suggest people edit their play style to become the same player.

How is this what he's doing at all? This is equivalent to being opposed to talking about strategy in any game.

Since when is your opinion so much more valuable than his? After all, you are just a single person and I'm against any action that perpetuates an oppressively bad site meta. (And I really don't give a damn about current mod hierarchy.)

Yayap's expressing his view, but that's not going to dictate how future people play the game. He says he's against people playing dumb to hide their COM, but that's not going to stop me when I think it's in line with my role. He says that discussion is largely bad on d1 but that's not going to stop people from scumhunting, or from trolling, or from pretending to do so.

I think it would be a cool tradition to start, to give the games' MVP the chance to comment in detail on the game once it's over.

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Yayap has always done this, and at least when I used to hang out with the mod chat we talked about this sort of thing between every game. It's enjoyable, and I don't see how it changes the meta more than any other discussion about FM.

And if it teaches people how to play this game better, I'm all for it. This game was pretty frustrating in quantity of low-quailty play, so I'm happy to see Yayap call some of it out. Moroever it's fun to go back & reread, like watching a movie w/ audio commentary.

If anyone on this site deserves "the biggest egojerk" it's certainly him. Why are you so against it?

Yayap has always done this, and at least when I used to hang out with the mod chat we talked about this sort of thing between every game. It's enjoyable, and I don't see how it changes the meta more than any other discussion about FM.

And if it teaches people how to play this game better, I'm all for it. This game was pretty frustrating in quantity of low-quailty play, so I'm happy to see Yayap call some of it out. Moroever it's fun to go back & reread, like watching a movie w/ audio commentary.

If anyone on this site deserves "the biggest egojerk" it's certainly him. Why are you so against it?

[QUOTE=ika;415609]he did day 1 already[/QUOTE]

To clarify, in case people can't find it: go through & reread the actual Day 1 of the game again. Yayap has annotated posts (his & others) in light blue.

Originally Posted by ika

he did day 1 already

To clarify, in case people can't find it: go through & reread the actual Day 1 of the game again. Yayap has annotated posts (his & others) in light blue.

These are fun to read--thanks Yayap. I don't suppose it's possible for me to do something similar?

These are fun to read--thanks Yayap. I don't suppose it's possible for me to do something similar?

[QUOTE=Yayap;415061]Believe it or not, the current meta is extremely anti-town, to a point that what most people find scum slips or scummy posts are not and what they consider town tells are just the opposite in most cases.[/QUOTE]

+1

I don't know that a complete post analysis is necessary, but if people will listen to you when you explain this, please do.

Originally Posted by Yayap

Believe it or not, the current meta is extremely anti-town, to a point that what most people find scum slips or scummy posts are not and what they consider town tells are just the opposite in most cases.

+1

I don't know that a complete post analysis is necessary, but if people will listen to you when you explain this, please do.

When in the summer would your game be?

When in the summer would your game be?

[QUOTE=Damus_Graves;414943]I enjoyed playing the game not to win, but to try and cause a different scum faction to win instead. [/QUOTE]

I hate this. How is this not gamethrowing?

Originally Posted by Damus_Graves

I enjoyed playing the game not to win, but to try and cause a different scum faction to win instead.

I hate this. How is this not gamethrowing?

gg everyone, it was a lot of fun playing with you all.

Elixir, thanks for everything you've done as a host. FMII got me into this game & I'm still enjoying it like 3 years later. Sorry if all the Da Vinci bullshit gets on your nerves. :)

gg everyone, it was a lot of fun playing with you all.

Elixir, thanks for everything you've done as a host. FMII got me into this game & I'm still enjoying it like 3 years later. Sorry if all the Da Vinci bullshit gets on your nerves.

[color="lime"]Do willbender victims get informed that their actions have been manipulated?

Can framer target other Vermaak 88 members?

Also, I read the framer rolecard to mean that framers don't interfere with cops at all. Is that true?

If a priest's attempted conversion fails, are they told why (e.g. bad target vs. militia member targeted by enforcer)?[/color]

Do willbender victims get informed that their actions have been manipulated?

Can framer target other Vermaak 88 members?

Also, I read the framer rolecard to mean that framers don't interfere with cops at all. Is that true?

If a priest's attempted conversion fails, are they told why (e.g. bad target vs. militia member targeted by enforcer)?

This is probably not worth asking, but:

[COLOR="#00FF00"]If a detective follows a role like an enforcer or jester (also bus driver, willbender, etc.) who visits multiple people in one night, will he see all the visited people?[/COLOR]

I've been away from the game for a while so I'll be asking a lot of dumb questions.

This is probably not worth asking, but:

If a detective follows a role like an enforcer or jester (also bus driver, willbender, etc.) who visits multiple people in one night, will he see all the visited people?

I've been away from the game for a while so I'll be asking a lot of dumb questions.

[QUOTE=Yayap;399742]Woot! Vornksr in a game with me again... just don't die night 1 again.[/QUOTE]

XD I'm really excited for this game. Elixir hosting, lots of familiar faces... it's gonna be good. I'll try my damndest not to die before day 3 at least.

Originally Posted by Yayap

Woot! Vornksr in a game with me again... just don't die night 1 again.

XD I'm really excited for this game. Elixir hosting, lots of familiar faces... it's gonna be good. I'll try my damndest not to die before day 3 at least.

/sign

I really hope I get in this. Ralph needs to redeem himself. XD

/sign

I really hope I get in this. Ralph needs to redeem himself. XD

I look forward to it! Perhaps in FM XX

I look forward to it! Perhaps in FM XX

[QUOTE=Gerik;347972]That was easily my favorite thing that happened in the FM. Both sheriffs targeted Vorn, Clem witched one of the sheriffs into targeting Vorn, and I framed Vorn.

And the whole game people kept calling it a "lucky frame". Yup, it was totally random!
[/QUOTE]

asjdio;jao;werijgaogia;xfigja

I'll survive past d2 someday. :)

Originally Posted by Gerik

That was easily my favorite thing that happened in the FM. Both sheriffs targeted Vorn, Clem witched one of the sheriffs into targeting Vorn, and I framed Vorn.

And the whole game people kept calling it a "lucky frame". Yup, it was totally random!

asjdio;jao;werijgaogia;xfigja

I'll survive past d2 someday.

[QUOTE=Ash;318630]I don't believe in bisexuals.[/QUOTE]

What do you mean by this? (I'm bi, btw, so... hi.)

Originally Posted by Ash

I don't believe in bisexuals.

What do you mean by this? (I'm bi, btw, so... hi.)

[QUOTE=ika;316899]Q5A6Q3 A1Z6A2Q2Q3Q4 Q8A2 A1Q5 Q6Q9Q7Q4 A4Q8Z6AGQ3Q4Q5Q8Q10A2[/QUOTE]

the answer is at your fingertips

ezpz :)

(I think you mean A5 instead of AG)

Originally Posted by ika

Q5A6Q3 A1Z6A2Q2Q3Q4 Q8A2 A1Q5 Q6Q9Q7Q4 A4Q8Z6AGQ3Q4Q5Q8Q10A2

the answer is at your fingertips

ezpz

(I think you mean A5 instead of AG)

Lots of details in that that don't agree with my recollection of events. Donor benefits added in December 2011? What sort of benefits? (We had colored names, fancy hats, execution choice, etc. back in June 2011.)

FMIV isn't archived on this site because it was held on a free bb service not at COM, in FM's first attempt at anon accounts. It wasn't hosted by False (I think Claw maybe was the host? False cohosted FMIII with Goonswarm), and False wasn't driven out of here until after I left, which was post FMVIII.

Lots of details in that that don't agree with my recollection of events. Donor benefits added in December 2011? What sort of benefits? (We had colored names, fancy hats, execution choice, etc. back in June 2011.)

FMIV isn't archived on this site because it was held on a free bb service not at COM, in FM's first attempt at anon accounts. It wasn't hosted by False (I think Claw maybe was the host? False cohosted FMIII with Goonswarm), and False wasn't driven out of here until after I left, which was post FMVIII.

[QUOTE=jebediah26;315699]US was never supposed to be a Democracy?

No offence, and this may be extremely offensive, but it seems like most of you just watch the news and echo whatever you hear from the media...
[/QUOTE]

I study the Enlightenment (like, professionally, as my job), the intellectual milieu of America's founding fathers. So, no, I'm not just echoing what I hear on Fox or MSNBC. Do you know what democracy is? Then you know that the electoral college, the presidency, the senate (as described in the Constitution), a bicameral legislature, and the Bill of Rights, and so on are all profoundly undemocratic institutions.

Originally Posted by jebediah26

US was never supposed to be a Democracy?

No offence, and this may be extremely offensive, but it seems like most of you just watch the news and echo whatever you hear from the media...

I study the Enlightenment (like, professionally, as my job), the intellectual milieu of America's founding fathers. So, no, I'm not just echoing what I hear on Fox or MSNBC. Do you know what democracy is? Then you know that the electoral college, the presidency, the senate (as described in the Constitution), a bicameral legislature, and the Bill of Rights, and so on are all profoundly undemocratic institutions.

The US was never supposed to be a democracy. Level of political freedom (e.g. to protest publicly) has very little to do with approximating some ideal of a direct democracy.

The US was never supposed to be a democracy. Level of political freedom (e.g. to protest publicly) has very little to do with approximating some ideal of a direct democracy.

This sounds like fun, I think, but I'd like to see a couple examples of how it plays out first.

I also lost interest after Gen II, so I don't really know what's up with all your newfangled pokemans.

This sounds like fun, I think, but I'd like to see a couple examples of how it plays out first.

I also lost interest after Gen II, so I don't really know what's up with all your newfangled pokemans.

hm clearly i was lurking, which is probably a sign i'm scum :)

hm clearly i was lurking, which is probably a sign i'm scum

When you add the series expressions for cos(t) and isin(t) you rearrange the order of the terms by interleaving them. (You have 1 from cos then t^1 from sin then t^2 from cos, etc. rather than 1 - t^2 + t^4 ... + t - t^3... You see what I mean?) Technically, you can't always rearrange the order of terms in a series and be guaranteed that the series will converge to the same number. It turns out that you can when it comes to cos, sin, and exp, but the proof doesn't justify that step.

When you add the series expressions for cos(t) and isin(t) you rearrange the order of the terms by interleaving them. (You have 1 from cos then t^1 from sin then t^2 from cos, etc. rather than 1 - t^2 + t^4 ... + t - t^3... You see what I mean?) Technically, you can't always rearrange the order of terms in a series and be guaranteed that the series will converge to the same number. It turns out that you can when it comes to cos, sin, and exp, but the proof doesn't justify that step.

well i was being lazy and not making a distinction, but sure, I mean latex.

it looks like a pretty standard proof of euler's formula. it doesn't justify rearranging the terms between statements 2 & 3, which is pretty important, but i'm not sure that a high-school level class (which i assume this is) would even talk about issues like absolute convergence.

well i was being lazy and not making a distinction, but sure, I mean latex.

it looks like a pretty standard proof of euler's formula. it doesn't justify rearranging the terms between statements 2 & 3, which is pretty important, but i'm not sure that a high-school level class (which i assume this is) would even talk about issues like absolute convergence.

the formatting is so ugly i don't really want to read it. do these forums not have tex support?

I don't really understand the nature of the question. i isn't irrational, however.

the formatting is so ugly i don't really want to read it. do these forums not have tex support?

I don't really understand the nature of the question. i isn't irrational, however.

Needs clarification.

Does

[QUOTE=Apache;308444]
A guy has robots with 7, 8 and 9 arms. [/QUOTE]

mean "A guy has robots with 7, 8, and 9 arms, and no robots with any other number of arms"?

And does [QUOTE=Apache;308444]"Alltogether we have 28 arms."[/QUOTE]

mean "The total number of arms possessed by this group of 4 robots is no more and no less than 28"?

Needs clarification.

Does

Originally Posted by Apache

A guy has robots with 7, 8 and 9 arms.

mean "A guy has robots with 7, 8, and 9 arms, and no robots with any other number of arms"?

And does

Originally Posted by Apache

"Alltogether we have 28 arms."

mean "The total number of arms possessed by this group of 4 robots is no more and no less than 28"?

Bork, I hope you're not articulating forum policy regarding anon accounts. Because my experience has only been that real name games are less fun. FMIV and V were my absolute favorites, both anon, whereas in FMVI and this MFM the lack of anonymity made the game a lot less enjoyable. (FMIII was also less than great, but I'll admit that maybe I'm just bitter about that one.)

I agree that anonymity leads to more lurking, and it's cool that we have some data to support that. I'm not sure that it's an unmitigated evil, and people that sign up for more than one FM at a time ought to be prepared for a bit of work.

I understand that it's a lot of extra work for everyone involved, but I think it's worth it.

Bork, I hope you're not articulating forum policy regarding anon accounts. Because my experience has only been that real name games are less fun. FMIV and V were my absolute favorites, both anon, whereas in FMVI and this MFM the lack of anonymity made the game a lot less enjoyable. (FMIII was also less than great, but I'll admit that maybe I'm just bitter about that one.)

I agree that anonymity leads to more lurking, and it's cool that we have some data to support that. I'm not sure that it's an unmitigated evil, and people that sign up for more than one FM at a time ought to be prepared for a bit of work.

I understand that it's a lot of extra work for everyone involved, but I think it's worth it.

[QUOTE=creedkingsx;307420]I was screaming for attention from you?
[/QUOTE]

well, i'm too lazy to go tryhard post-game and explain why, but it certainly seemed like it. guess i was just imagining things.

Originally Posted by creedkingsx

I was screaming for attention from you?

well, i'm too lazy to go tryhard post-game and explain why, but it certainly seemed like it. guess i was just imagining things.

gg all. was fun while I was alive.

creed, is there a reason you were screaming for attention from me on day 1?
(also, i'm quite pleased that I managed to pick out azuriae and bork as tpr & cop, which is exactly what i wanted for my initial busing.)

gg all. was fun while I was alive.

creed, is there a reason you were screaming for attention from me on day 1?
(also, i'm quite pleased that I managed to pick out azuriae and bork as tpr & cop, which is exactly what i wanted for my initial busing.)

[QUOTE=Yayap;307188]I don't think we've been on the same team since fm2.. hopefully this time will be different. I've noticed some potential in others for the elite class, but I think you may be the only one to be able to secretly communicate in broad day light with me if we both identify each other.[/QUOTE]

I look forward to it. (Though I'd also enjoy the chance to play scum against your town again.) XD

Originally Posted by Yayap

I don't think we've been on the same team since fm2.. hopefully this time will be different. I've noticed some potential in others for the elite class, but I think you may be the only one to be able to secretly communicate in broad day light with me if we both identify each other.

I look forward to it. (Though I'd also enjoy the chance to play scum against your town again.) XD

[QUOTE=Yayap;307172]
/sign
[/QUOTE]

:)

Originally Posted by Yayap

/sign

/sign

on the condition that it uses anon accounts.

Also, who's hosting?

/sign

on the condition that it uses anon accounts.

Also, who's hosting?

The [URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/970-New-Role-Architect?highlight=role%3A+architect"]original[/URL] architect was a lot more complicated than simply creating a night chat, and entirely impossible from a practical standpoint. The simplified version proposed at the end of the thread was this: the architect creates a partial roleblock effect. People inside the architect chat can only target each other (and possibly can't be targeted from the outside, much like jail chat).

The original architect was a lot more complicated than simply creating a night chat, and entirely impossible from a practical standpoint. The simplified version proposed at the end of the thread was this: the architect creates a partial roleblock effect. People inside the architect chat can only target each other (and possibly can't be targeted from the outside, much like jail chat).

[QUOTE=clementine;304685]Not really sure why you would need an architect if the town already has PMs that can be used to chat with whoever you want to during the day.[/QUOTE]

Not all setups necessarily have pm's enabled, and if the conversation is anonymous there's some room for lying that doesn't exist in pm's.

Originally Posted by clementine

Not really sure why you would need an architect if the town already has PMs that can be used to chat with whoever you want to during the day.

Not all setups necessarily have pm's enabled, and if the conversation is anonymous there's some room for lying that doesn't exist in pm's.

[QUOTE=Elixir;304643]Suggested By: Ash[/QUOTE]

:'(

Originally Posted by Elixir

Suggested By: Ash

:'(

Me too. Only 2 people riding mine, though.

Me too. Only 2 people riding mine, though.

We have a winner!

We have a winner!

Trivia time: who was the first person to vote Damus?

Trivia time: who was the first person to vote Damus?

ohai. Mind sharing your thoughts about Auckmid?

ohai. Mind sharing your thoughts about Auckmid?

You know who we haven't heard from in a long time? Mintberry Crunch.

You know who we haven't heard from in a long time? Mintberry Crunch.

[b][color=lime]Can letters be sent at night, or do they have to be sent before the day ends?[/color][/b]

Can letters be sent at night, or do they have to be sent before the day ends?

[QUOTE=Damus_Graves;302817]Did you see what I accomplished today?[/QUOTE]

Same thing JackofSpades and Claw used to accomplish on Day 1 when they were town.

Originally Posted by Damus_Graves

Did you see what I accomplished today?

Same thing JackofSpades and Claw used to accomplish on Day 1 when they were town.

Damus's play is suboptimal for an executioner. That's irrelevant, though, because he's not the right person to have in the spotlight right now.

I'd rather let the jailor do his thing than lynch anyone, however.

Damus's play is suboptimal for an executioner. That's irrelevant, though, because he's not the right person to have in the spotlight right now.

I'd rather let the jailor do his thing than lynch anyone, however.

[QUOTE=CmG;302669]I really want to know vornskrs thoughts to this game so far. I fear he is actively hiding from us. this makes me a bit sad. Since he is probably the most experienced player in this game. I really want to read more from him than 1 liners.

[COLOR="#00FFFF"][SIZE=5]OH VORNSKR WHERE ARE THOUGH?[/SIZE][/COLOR] [color=#202020]Where is dat stealth doctor claim?[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

Reading through right now. Eh, dunno. Haven't said much b/c I don't have much to say at the moment. Day 1 is usually unproductive, and I don't have anything meaningful to analyze. I'm also trying to avoid getting lynched for yelling at people like happened to me as Gandalf.

Originally Posted by CmG

I really want to know vornskrs thoughts to this game so far. I fear he is actively hiding from us. this makes me a bit sad. Since he is probably the most experienced player in this game. I really want to read more from him than 1 liners.

OH VORNSKR WHERE ARE THOUGH? Where is dat stealth doctor claim?

Reading through right now. Eh, dunno. Haven't said much b/c I don't have much to say at the moment. Day 1 is usually unproductive, and I don't have anything meaningful to analyze. I'm also trying to avoid getting lynched for yelling at people like happened to me as Gandalf.

Yeah, the rep didn't contain a message, just a notification that I'd received rep.

Yeah, the rep didn't contain a message, just a notification that I'd received rep.

Huh. So I got rep for a post I made days ago outside of this m-fm. Kinda weird.

Should I share who it's from, or which post it was? Does it matter? This sorta shit is why anon accounts are nice.

Huh. So I got rep for a post I made days ago outside of this m-fm. Kinda weird.

Should I share who it's from, or which post it was? Does it matter? This sorta shit is why anon accounts are nice.

[QUOTE=Numbertwo;302315]Fm 16 Fm 17.[/QUOTE]

thanks.


[QUOTE=Damus_Graves;302320]you all[/QUOTE]

uh-huh

Originally Posted by Numbertwo

Fm 16 Fm 17.

thanks.

Originally Posted by Damus_Graves

you all

uh-huh