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  1. ►►Re: If so called "Invitational" and Invitation only games are the new standard on this site, goodbye◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Arrow View Post
    @rumox

    We never promise no mistakes, we promise to continually make NEW mistakes.
    Wisdom
  2. Forum:Site Discussion

    Thread:the answer hall

    Thread Author:Shanny711

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    ►►Re: the answer hall◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Shanny711 View Post
    ....is it broken or something? I tried to message there but nothing happened
    Hey Rachyl, what was your original question?
  3. Forum:Punished Players & Appeals

    Thread:LittlePie 1-S2-1-4315632

    Thread Author:Drizzt

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    {Permanently Banned} ►►Re: LittlePie 1-S2-1-4315632◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by LittlePie View Post
    *Edit: I read the appeal rules and don't know if I can change this to respond to the Keeper. I do believe the person reporting heavily influenced the keeper's decision based on reputation and falsifying the report though.

    Tried to play Mafia again and noticed I am still banned. I did not hack, I have never hacked, yet I have been banned for "hacking" twice. This more recent time, there was at least 1 other mod who told me they believe I was not hacking, and that person had played with me more than Brock. I get that you want to ban hackers, but if you really pay attention its a bit obvious that I *probably* just got lucky.

    I am not a new player, Brock knew I was not a new player when we talked in the lobby chat of our games. He asks me why I would go into the next game and continue the same behavior; the answer is that I was not cheating to begin with so I have nothing to hide. He is pretending like I don't do this regularly and wrote this report blatantly lying to make it seem more genuine. He gets upset that I call him out for being Brock when I assumed he was crier and not judge. In the lobby chat, Brock was absolutely sure I was a specific troll's alt account, but in this report he pretends that he thinks I am a brand new player (it became obvious I was not new when he saw some of my more serious games and talked to me in the lobby chat). Assuming I was hacking, why do you think this is the only replay where I got my mafia/triad guesses right?

    A real hacker is not going to reveal the hacked information 1 game out of all of his games and then LOSE on that game and stop hacking. Even if I was a brand new player with 20 games, why would I take 1 single game to blatantly cheat, lose, and then stop hacking on my next games? Kind of surprised the people who said they are pretty sure I am not hacking said nothing about me getting perma banned on this forum. Mafia needs to stop locking players out of their community just because they got butthurt or think the person is an alt of someone else. Brock should not be allowed to write false reports to make them seem more genuine. I get that a replay like the one shown is very suspicious, but you cannot tell me there aren't games of every mafia player in this forum where you would say that player looks like they could be hacking. This is mafia, things like this happen. Context matters, a player who constantly guesses and messes around shouldn't be banned for eventually getting it right once. If Brock truly thought this was one of my first 5 games, then I would get it, but he knew I was a player who has played a lot of mafia and he witnessed a single game where I guessed correctly. In this context, a perma ban is a terrible choice to make for a game with a dying community. Let LittlePie back in.

    Brock's real report: "This player who has played for a while guessed all of the mafia/triad correctly once, and they correctly guessed that I was the person speaking as crier, but didn't make it obvious if they knew I was judge or crier. This player likes to mess around and guess who the mafia/triad are and every game except for this one was wrong, but I am upset. I really think they are an alt account of a troll I hate so I'd like to perma ban them even if it was pure luck, and I like to taste my toenails right before my weekly shower".

    Free LittlePie and all your wildest dreams will come true (and you will be making a morally correct decision).
    Just saw this today, thought I would reply. After months I still remember that game and incident. I've played over 6k games and my SpiderSense went off because of your behavior that game. That in turn led me to watch the replay where, low and behold, you had put all "guessed" the triad numbers n1 and put that in your will, because? You were having a laugh? Just Joking? But Day two, to instantly target me as crier and announce that I was Brock, was beating a dead horse. Either you think I should play mafia upside down and drunk so I don't notice this stuff, or I was being paranoid which is why it is good to have a second opinion to make sure I'm not seeing what is not there. I did not exercise any influence over any moderator specifically to target you, that is in your head. I just reported an odd incident during gameplay. I also call police when I see someone in trouble on the highway, because I can with very little effort make the world a little better or safer by taking a few seconds out of my day to think about someone else.
  4. Forum:Mafia Bug Reports

    Thread:Hung game after a court

    Thread Author:Sidicas

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    [Mechanics] ►►Re: Hung game after a court◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Sidicas View Post
    Just played a game that hung after a court.
    1. Interesting that Crier can talk as Court. Maybe that is intentional but it is definitely annoying AF.
    2. After the Crier was lynched, the game hung.

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/1LJm...ew?usp=sharing
    If you go to the replay tab in SC2 and right click you can get the option to "show in folder" which then takes you to a ready to go file. Just copy and paste or drag that bad boy onto the desktop. Then back on this site scroll down to manage attachments in your post and insert your video file pathway into your post.

    Other methods like posting a google drive for sharing are inefficient and can be used by trolls to disseminate malware or viruses.
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    ►►Re: Why I Started Playing Sc2 Mafia◄◄

    I never thought you were Duke. Nothing about you hinted at being a ginger dentist from Montana. Factor in you knew pinying, and I was sure you were a hobbit from mars.


    Quote Originally Posted by ChannelMiner View Post
    I are Parasite player.

    Parasite has no lobbies.

    I see someone named "Duke" hosting a billion lobbies, filling up the entire arcade.

    I decide: "fuck it" and join the lobby with the most players.

    "Hello, I am new player, how to play?"

    "Oh no, a Parasite player. Town is doomed"

    *gets sheriff, finds mafia n1

    *gets lynched for being exe, has no LW because idk what that is yet (I am new player)

    *Town completely forgets about my lead because they are braindead goldfish that don't remember I was screaming to lynch someone as confirmed in graveyard sheriff.

    *Town loses

    This game sucks!

    *Joins next lobby

    *Gets SK

    *Gets called out as night immune in Mafia LW

    "I am just a street racer, the Drift King they call me"

    *Gets lynched

    "This game sucks!"

    *becomes addicted

    So no, I am not Duke, but it is no coincidence that I appeared right after Duke disappeared, coz I tried Mafia because of him.
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    ►►Re: *About the smurfs and ban evaders*◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by BusterCannon View Post
    yeah right. this is a well coordinated attack. they've been doing this for at least a couple weeks now. nothing is going to stop them from ruining multiple games to come. we are sitting ducks. they want us to be angry. AND IM FUCKIN ANGRY. I JUST DRANK AN ENTIRE BOTTLE OF MERLOT AN they a[r not gonna stop they are bitches. i will fight every single one of those fuckin, whatever the fuck fuckin man thi bullshit. i msick of this
    You appear to appreciate detailed answers, and while filling you in on precisely why staff, and God/Thor bless them for their work, have evolved a standard operating procedure for dealing with different threats to the community would take too much time, its my opinion that management is fair and reasonable. The judicial and rule enforcement processes have evolved since 2010 following a very logical path to ensure the community stays safe and operating as efficient as possible. Conflict-obsessed players have evolved with different tactics to delay or ruin games in an attempt to create a hostile and inappropriate environment we cannot conduct games a civilized safe way. Everyone eventually learns the rules of conduct necessary for competitive gameplay in FM and SC2 games, and from time to time some players conduct themselves inappropriately. Where ignorance is to blame, staff and the community communicate these community standards, and from that point it is up to the player to self-govern their actions, similar to a basketball game or sports league. If they continue to deviate from game rules or community standards, they are punished and given the opportunity to explain their actions. If they are unsatisfied with the result they can appeal the decision and a staff member reviews the decision. Most/All staff members are willing to engage in discussion on punitive decisions, but permabans are usually acquired from repeated offenders uninterested in conforming to community standards. At the end of the day, with free accounts, any one of these players could open a free account and start a new mafia career where they don't break the rules, and get along with the community. That is the reality, everyone can just start over if they put their mind to it, but the players you refer to are not interested in playing SC2 mafia, changing their behavior, or following the same rules which all of us have to follow to play every game IRL that we have ever played since the playground. I hope that was detailed enough, and I hope you switch to Cabernet Sauvignon, and don't forget to remain hydrated!
  7. Forum:Point Restore and White List Archive

    Thread:Jarlaxle

    Thread Author:Jarlaxle

    Post Author:Drizzt

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    ►►Re: Jarlaxle◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Jarlaxle View Post
    Main Body:
    Account Name: Jarlaxle
    Account ID: 1-S2-1-3158765
    Your Server: North America
    Approximate Points: 36000

    new pc, old one died, i would appreciate having my points back please! tyty
    You need to provide a replay or screenshot. They have a database with some players, send arrow a message he will sort you out.
  8. Forum:Punished Players & Appeals

    Thread:RavenKingTwo

    Thread Author:johnblaz3d

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    {Permanently Banned} ►►Re: RavenKingTwo◄◄

    Not sure if this belongs here, but because the ban was 10 days ago, and he is still out there cheating. I confirmed his SC2-ID: 1-S2-1-10435802

    Replay of is RavenKingTwo hacking or skyping or using two accounts. He is player 1 the party host, I am GF, and he announces d2 that someone has planted a bomb on him. I know this to be true because I am GF. D3 player 2 blows up, because player 1 was switched by BD with player 2 - who happens to be one my my two Soldatos. D3, player 1 (RavenKingTwo) announces he is relieved he did not blow up, at which time I realize, as GF, that there was NO WAY he should have that information. Therefore, he was hacking; OR colluding with one of my Soldatos via skype; OR he was controlling one of my Soldatos with multiple accounts and had inside information. My two soldatos are Unpixel and thicbeefboi, not sure either has a record.

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    -Brock
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    ►►Re: An Update to Player Reports / Clarification◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I see two separate issues here. What happened and how to moderate.

    As to what happened Etienne and Renegade both have valid positions. While Etienne can claim Renegade should have stayed in spite of not liking the save Renegade can claim Etienne should use a save the community likes. Both are speaking in terms of being considerate to the community and both appear to have acted in good faith.
    What is a balanced save? Its subjective and I would say SC2 has taken a position that we do not balance for what is balanced but instead balance for how a save is used a very long time ago.
    What is acceptable behavior for an individual? We also took a stance a long time ago that the intention behind the action defines if it should be punished- so a bad faith attempt to destroy a game by leaving or a bad faith attempt to create a troll save would qualify.
    Unless something changed sense I stepped back there is little punishable action in either of these positions past one side left with prior intention to do so and the other side forced a quick start exploiting a glitch to force players to play a setup they may have otherwise democratically voted not to. Both players are right and wrong imo with very limited precedence for punishment.

    To moderation a strong standing position has existed that rules get created/modified to ensure the best community experience. A change could be made either way but they are also much more impactful in the community that now exists from the 5-10k or so players we had at one time. In a community of a few hundred active players overall the best solution (imo) would be the patch to prevent the glich and simple human communication to resolve a difference of opinion. With multiple save slots existing I feel like there is something both players could agree to enjoy together in a game this complex.
    I agree with Helz, but I would like to add something related to quitting. If you have a player routinely using troll saves, troll saves are defined as saves meant to piss people off only, then report the player for griefing, in my opinion. I am not sure we punish pushing troll saves, but simply quitting, and I am not talking about occasionally quitting which we all do, but players who routinely quit games in which they knew the host was likely to use had their chance in the blizzard lobby not to play. Start a new lobby. Otherwise, you have the option to suicide day three, and the expectation is that everyone who joins the lobby and enters the game is agreeing to play mafia. If you have a problem with a host, do not join the lobby, because the rest of the lobby may not have your subjective opinion of the host, and quitting hurts them as much as the host.
  10. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Soldato Buff Suggestion

    Thread Author:lawson

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    ►►Re: Soldato Buff Suggestion◄◄

    What if we just made soldato immune to detection? Nothing else, no other buff or ability to trigger a bomb, just gave the soldato detection immunity. We might see better results. @Frinckles
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    ►►Re: An Update to Player Reports / Clarification◄◄

    When you quit a game that you entered into with 14 other players prematurely, you are saying "My voice and my participation is greater than yours." It is poor sportsmanship, if this was a fencing match I would black card the person, because it is the antithesis of community gaming. Maybe you do not want to play, but maybe some guy/gal who just got off work or is trying to find some happiness for 30 min, maybe they want to play the "shit" save. I don't know, but when you quit, repeatedly and dramatically, you are taking the choice from them, and then its becomes about you, and what you want.
  12. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Soldato Buff Suggestion

    Thread Author:lawson

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    ►►Re: Soldato Buff Suggestion◄◄

    I have a spreadsheet somewhere, I was tracking Soldato, had 56 games tracked if I remember correctly. Basically, it broke down to this. With one soldato, 70-75% chance the bomb doesn't go off. Two soldatos, slightly higher chance both bombs don't go off, and a slightly reduced chance 60-70% that the only one bomb doesn't goes off. Remember I'm looking at this as failed attempts.

    So much can happen, as it turns out, to ruin a good bombing. All of these percentages go up when one or both soldatos do not plant the bomb N1. And the amount of times a bomb was planted but not detonated would probably surprise us. That is what I would improve @Frinckles . Soldato needs a tweak so people plant their bombs N1, OR mafia needs a way to be able to detonate bomb in the event of the soldato's demise, OR code conditions in which a bomb is triggered and will explode without the soldato detonating, because remember if the target dies before detonation, the role is worthless, and that happens a lot too. Those three things, any one or all, are what I noticed regularly stop soldato contributing to the mafia team.
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    ►►Re: The fast start glitch and ramming through griefer saves◄◄

    Renegade, I say this with sincerity and no malice. You need to start hosting with saves you approve and have looked over. Everyone else, people with points get extra -repicks because, in theory, a person with a bunch of points should have experience enough to spot a terrible save and divert it. Personally, I only repick if they are AFK or trolling. Ren probably diverts more bad saves by having more -repicks than the average person. Does he abuse the -repicks? Idk, that's between him, the programmer, and God. We can't see that mechanic in replays. Is it a perfect system? No, but it is the system we have. He is very passionate about saves having a minimum standard of quality, and that's why he needs to start hosting.
  14. Forum:Punished Players & Appeals

    Thread:LittlePie 1-S2-1-4315632

    Thread Author:Drizzt

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    {Permanently Banned} ►►LittlePie 1-S2-1-4315632◄◄

    Name: LittlePie

    In-game name: Sansone

    ID: 1-S2-1-542260

    Crime: Hacking

    Evidence: N1 he puts all three mafia in his -lw, and D2 he reveals a player's (me) Sc2 account name. He goes on to publicly reveal all mafia, despite his role being coroner. Goes on to talk a little in death chat about what he knows. Watch the timing of his -lw, it is n1 and he has no evidence yet. Now if these two things happened separately, I would give him the benefit of the doubt, but for both to happen N1 and D2, I am thinking he was hacking.

    Result: All 1 and 5 are executed, town goes on to with the game.

    Notes: He is a new player, only 26 games. Yet he knew my speech pattern and was able to deduce all the mafia? Next game, see attachment, and and notice only gets 1/3 with a -lw. Up to you whether the second attachment is proof he just got lucky, twice, or if he was still hacking, and purposely looking to appear random with his guesses. My only thought on the validity of him just getting lucky twice is, if his -lw caused players to suspect you of cheating and threaten to report you, why go into the next game and continue the behavior?

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    Thank you,

    B
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    {Permanently Banned} ►►Felix (FrankZappa) 1-S2-1-11967315◄◄

    In-Game Name: I Rape Pregnant Women

    Player Handle: Felix, AKA FrankZappa

    Crime: Offensive Name, Smurfing, and evading ban with new account

    Result: Town chose to lynch him for his name rather than listen to his defense. He often chooses names targeting women and children, but will degenerate into racial slurs if others initiate the griefing. Almost every game I am in with this player he chooses a name he knows is against both Blizzard and Sc2mafia codes of conduct. I will include a snapshot where he hints at it, but is clever enough not to outright confirm. I know he is FrankZappa because he spoke to me about harassing a female friend I brought to mafia community, something only Frank aka Felix, would know.

    Outcome: He plays normally, but in the second video you see the result of his name "I Rape Women." Someone else names themselves something similar and thus the griefing beings- initiated by Felix (Frank)


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    First two videos Felix (Frank) uses the name I Rape Women or some other derivative of raping women. In one of the two screenshots I get about as close as I've gotten to him confirming he is FrankZappa. In the second screenshot he says "I am surprised I wasn't renamed." He chose the name specifically to get another player, I won't name, riled up. Meaning, he purposely and knowingly picked the name in order to cause chaos and spread hate.

    Do I have him explicitly stating "I am FrankZappa and this is my new smurf" ? No, and if you read the log, Frank never will admit who he is so he can continue playing. But Felix's flaw, is he can't help but continue the harassment he started under the name Frank. Had he never mentioned his sexual harassment of my friend, I never would have known it was Frank. Now I do, and you do too.

    -Brock
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    {Permanently Banned} ►►Griefing & Smurfing: 1-S2-1-12665276; 1-S2-1-12634174◄◄

    Player IDs:1-S2-1-12665276; 1-S2-1-12634174

    SC2 Handles: Shanny and SemenWarlord

    Ingame Names: Dead Nigger Floyd (2) (SemenWarlor); Hello World (9) (Shanny)

    Crime: Shanny = Smurf of Rachyl who is a banned player is: a) banned, b) pedo language against staff, c) spamming; (2) or SemenWarlord either engaged in racial and pedophilic language plus had a naming violation. He is the (E) perspective and if you notice he has yet to pick a username, but is very familiar with staff, including a personal grudge against certain staff, so this is probably a smurf violation. He was not behaving as a new player and usually people pick a username early on.

    Result: Resulted in an unacceptable level of distraction away from the game. Also, clear violations of both Blizzard and Sc2mafia codes of conduct. And, disrespectful to the other players with sensitivities to racial and pedophilic harassment. This went beyond the normal level of racial slur usage imho, and warranted community intervention.

    Notes: I regret not sticking around, but I thought I could do the report and not miss out on the next game. Turns out not getting that end of game info made reporting ten times longer.


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    -Brock
  17. ►►Re: Electro and Poisoner Considered Useless: Frinckles Manages to Ignore the Community Once Again◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    I don't know why you insist on throwing a fit on Friday night when I wanted to relax and drink a few beers. I listened to everything Guy wrote and decided that he's right about a lot of things but just to be clear that he knows that I'll go ahead and ping him here @Guy

    Adjustments were made to Lover, Heartbreaker, Swinger, Poisoner and Electromaniac. Oracle will receive a slight buff next week in terms of how it interacts with being Sanitized, Caporegime will also get something to make it a bit better in a 3Mafia team. I don't agree with Guy's presumption that Party Host is underpowered because anyone who has been Mafia during a party knows how disruptive a party can be for coordination. As far as the Any Random balance problem goes, more roles will need to be released for Neutral Benign (and Neutral Evil) to balance it out; That means I need time to actually make them but I acknowledge it is a concern.

    I also want to add that when I said "I suppose I play them differently" in regards to Heartbreaker/Swinger I should have elaborated. When I play Heartbreaker for example, I love somebody on night one and publicly claim that THEY were the one who loved me whilst claiming Doctor or something. Most of the time, doing so gives the town a 50/50 that I can usually win if they even choose to lynch there. I recognize that not all players want to present that kind of challenge each game and so I considered options to make the role a bit more flexible. In fact, let's go over what I patched last night.


    -Lover, Heartbreaker, Swinger have no restriction on when they can target, why? As I said above, I agreed with you that sometimes it sucked having to be locked onto a slot on the first night. PQR actually messaged me last night echoing the same thoughts because it limited the ability for the roles to actually try to deduce the best target for their ability. While I hope it doesn't make it too easy to win as, Lover will now be able to survive easier and find a good candidate to target. Similarly, Heartbreaker and Swinger will be able to latch onto confirmable roles or Town Gov to hold them hostage. I will continue to monitor how they do with these changes and if it proves to be too much, I'll probably make them use it by night 3.

    -Electromaniac can now charge two players as long as he did not electrocute anyone the prior night, why? Brock and Graky haven't been the only ones to bring up the fact that Electromaniac doesn't often get to make an impact in a game (gonna ping them too @Drizzt @Grakylan ) It simply takes too long to charge one person at a time and expect reasonable results so I let him charge two at the same time. You get Target A and Target B, and if you want to (idk why) you can actually just select Target A and the player will still get charged. That means a hypothetical 8 kill on night 4 which is in-line with some other neutral killing roles, the benefit being that if Godfather happens to be any of those unfortunate players, he gets toasted too. In fact, the way it is now, Electromaniac is possibly killing two players on the first night. The only thing stopping the EM from charging is whether or not one of his charges (specific to the EM) was involved in a kill the previous night, at which point you can still charge one person.

    -Poisoner can now block one night of attacks automatically (autovest), why? You weren't the only person requesting some sort of buff to Poisoner. NI isn't the only thing that has been requested. I buffed it by taking away doctor heals, autopoison on roleblockers etc. and I agree, the role was still a bit too weak. So I listened and caved I guess and gave it some form of night immunity. Previously I had given Witch and Spy similar forms of NI but they didn't really work on those roles and I figured that it might actually work decently on Poisoner. Thus far, it's been pretty okay and depending on the circumstances, Poisoner is now on-par or slightly stronger than SK. But for all the shit you give me about apparently "not listening to Guy" you seem to have not read what he wrote:



    You are teetering on the edge of stupid power creep cliff if you think night immunity is a solve-all for balance discrepancies. That's not how you balance a game. That's how you fuck up a game by making every role you concoct into a superman role that has to be lynched via the same player-base you talk shit about constantly. You will find yourself in more F3 Kingmaker situations because any other avenue of solving has been closed. They get to pick who wins now, why? Well not because of how well anyone played but just because they can. Why do you think Executioner does not have night immunity anymore? Why would you ever want to play Survivor over a night immune Exe?

    And honestly, what the fuck are you so scared of? You said you'd run the numbers. Do it. In it's current state, Electromaniac has one concern on N1; Hopefully don't get killed by a Godfather on night 1. Guess what though? Electromaniac can also charge two people and then Godfather might go up in smoke anyway. So again, what are you afraid of? Do you think a Vigilante shouldn't be allowed to actually remove a player from the game by playing good -- that he's only able to take out his teammates by having shit reads? Like give me a break. And regardless of any of this you never mention the fact that Constable, Double Flower and Arsonist can erase anyone who is night immune during the day. You apparently have no problem with that.

    I don't have a problem with Night Immunity. I made Armorsmith which is a role that literally fucking hands out night immunity. I've tried multiple occasions to see if night immunity worked on different roles. The difference is that in your mind it is a band-aid that you can slap on anything expecting good results and not thinking about the downsides. Sometimes you get killed on night one. Get over it and don't give me shit about it ruining the balance of the game because instead of a Godfather killing Poisoner or Electromaniac it could easily be a Jailor or Kidnapper who just so happened to pick right.

    I've been communicating with this community since day one including you. We have a discord chat log of our talks that's pretty extensive where I asked you specifically what you thought about a lot of different things. I've even made change to the game at your request but I guess you forgot. I guess you also forgot about about how like 10 of us, including you, were in voice chat on discord talking balance and design. But you know what it's all good, I respect you and appreciate your opinions on balance even if it's accompanied by incessant bitching. Just don't try to start a shitstorm on my Friday night when I'm relaxing and having a beer and don't accuse me of not playing the fucking game I develop or being out of touch with it. If you don't see me playing I'm probably not on my main account because I don't want to be bothered.
    I was pinged, so I shall comment. Electro has been greatly improved by allowing two charges. Some folks still use both to kill one person, but others are patient and it pays off by throwing off everyone's expected calculations on what can happen at any point in the game. Could Electro use a buff with night immunity? That is a tough one, played correctly they can kill NI targets, correct? Cause massive devastation, correct? Perhaps making Electro NI to any target he charges would be a compromise? Or, giving electros more immunity to investigative roles might help, if you do not want NI Frink.

    Poisoner - This fudging role I have seen alter games that were objectively going one way at day 4 then suddenly in the span of two days that faction is crippled and losing. IMO, making it NI would be a mistake simply because it partners with no one, and can kill anything with a pulse in the town. Could it use some other minor buff to make it more elusive to investigators or a vest or something, yes. It is a hard role to win, but that doesn't mean it doesn't rock the shit out of factions and pose a threat to the balance of power.

    Renegade, you might be onto something with NI with electro or perhaps a minor buff would be more appropriate. But with poisoner, I simply disagree with NI. I think a buff is in order to help it win, but that should be the starting point to see how the change works out.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 345: Hypixel-SC2Mafia Cross Community Game◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Mreevee View Post
    Also FOS on frinckles and drizzt for trying to cfd me for no reason yesterday
    I was told I had to vote, and it was less about you, and more about that.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 345: Hypixel-SC2Mafia Cross Community Game◄◄

    [/vote]mreevee[/vote] third times the charm
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    ►►Re: S-FM 345: Hypixel-SC2Mafia Cross Community Game◄◄

    [vote][mreevee][vote] before time runs out.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 345: Hypixel-SC2Mafia Cross Community Game◄◄

    [vote][mreevee][.vote]
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    ►►Re: S-FM 345: Hypixel-SC2Mafia Cross Community Game◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by deathworlds View Post
    give clowns the guillotine for saying I just post fluff
    That was my initial reaction, but voting with emotions has such a low success rate in my experience. Must we vote? Is that required?
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    ►►Re: S-FM 345: Hypixel-SC2Mafia Cross Community Game◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by jmw View Post
    I think Drizzt was responding to me there



    Bone bros!!!!
    Yes, JMW sorry about that.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 345: Hypixel-SC2Mafia Cross Community Game◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Bakura1 View Post
    Ngl I'm noticing that Oliver's a lot more tame on this site

    I also never realized how much our games back at HPM ran like a well-oiled machine. I came up with the words to express this earlier and then forgot, but basically we just usually got a lot more done by this point. The game progresses a lot quicker and smoother. That might just be because we all know each other's meta's though. I wonder if entire games could have a meta if everyone at least generally knows each other's metas.


    @Tauntshaman what are you on about


    Thank you. This is what I've been asking for ages. Ever since I can remember, it's always just, "Bakura's meta town and I won't evaluate him further than D1." I don't want the "most obvious towny" award. My reads are in line and often accurate, just like last game. But literally nobody even approached me about my Kylo read and he ended up coasting through endgame.


    Did you try




    That's what everyone says about you.


    Could it be because there are a lot of new people and he's adjusting his personality because of that?


    Well that and I also found this totally poggers youtube channel called YourBoySponge that has some great rap so I was listening to that for like an hour so the rhymes just came easily to me.
    No idea, but if you make me....TauntShaman. He is the only one here newer than me, is quiet probably because there are no leads and he doesn't know he's suppose to ramble pretending to know something, and finally....I do not know how anyone here would react to me randomly voting them except him and maybe Frinkles. So if you forced me, I would vote Taunt atm.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 345: Hypixel-SC2Mafia Cross Community Game◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by jmw View Post
    [unvote]MrEevee[/unvote]
    Thank you sir.

    -unvote
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    ►►Re: S-FM 345: Hypixel-SC2Mafia Cross Community Game◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Drizzt View Post
    And then MrEevee unvoted me, so I am back to square one.

    [/vote]unvote[/vote]
    Well that did not work, anyone know what I did wrong?
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    ►►Re: S-FM 345: Hypixel-SC2Mafia Cross Community Game◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    just read what I said about drizzt and then note the fact that mreevee was making posts with some level of reads and happen to vote drizzt

    it was a good place to investigate imo
    And then MrEevee unvoted me, so I am back to square one.

    [/vote]unvote[/vote]
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    ►►Re: S-FM 345: Hypixel-SC2Mafia Cross Community Game◄◄

    [QUOTE=oliverz144;969913]Would have agreed with your vote


    My most recent scum game
    https://hypixel.net/threads/hypixel-...day-4.4950488/

    For real? Or just what one would think?


    For Real
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    ►►Re: S-FM 345: Hypixel-SC2Mafia Cross Community Game◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Frinckles View Post
    How fast does Gravity move?
    299,792,458 m/s
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    ►►Re: ban pit bulls◄◄

    It comes down to the owner, and their ability to train and socialize the dog. Many German Shepherd owners do not have the ability to discipline and control a GSD, but they have them anyways. Personally, I do not see a purpose of a Pitt Bull over a GSD. My White German Shepherd is more terrifying to people who don't know that a pitbull is more dangerous, so there is the deterrence factor, my boy was highly trainable and was able to become any type of dog you needed him to be. Pitts require a strong owner with a lot of experience, but once trained properly they are just as safe as a GSD. Granted, most owners are not qualified to have a Pitt and raise it to be a fluffy teddy bear, because they get the Pitt for the opposite reason- to be intimidating. So you have a dog that needs, because of its genetic line, discipline, control and lots of socialization, but owners who are either afraid to socialize and train or want the Pitt to be mean and intimidating.

    So I say again. There is nothing a Pitt does that a GSD cannot do, and there is a whole lot more a GSD is better for. Need a babysitter, GSDs will keep your kids busy for hours, but....once again, they need socialization and training. Neither of these dogs are for beginners but Pitts are for much more experienced owners and have less overall utility IMO.

    If you just want a nice dog, Golden Retrievers or Labs are easy. As are most giant dogs like mastiffs. Personally, I with all my experience with dogs am more likely to be bit by a small dog than a Pitt.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 345: Hypixel-SC2Mafia Cross Community Game◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Bakura1 View Post
    On April Fools Day in 1976, English astronomer Patrick Moore stated to radio listeners that, "Due to a conjunction of Jupiter and Pluto, gravity would noticeably decrease on Earth." Shortly after, the BBC received hundreds of calls from people reporting they had felt the decrease in gravity.

    Do you know what that has to do with your statement? Absolutely nothing. But I felt it needed to be said.
    If you stand on a 90 degree surface while the moon is directly overhead, the gravity of the moon pulls you towards it and you weigh slightly less. As for Jupiter, it actually does pull us towards it, only the gravitational effect is 34 million times less than earth's. I cannot speak for Pluto, but my instinct is that it is simply too small and too far away to to have an effect which we could measure on Earth's gravity.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 345: Hypixel-SC2Mafia Cross Community Game◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Mreevee View Post
    Scum.
    haha, Pot Kettle Black my friend. Why are you still Eevee, pick a stone already. You are useless until you choose a lane in life.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 345: Hypixel-SC2Mafia Cross Community Game◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Mreevee View Post
    -vote drizzt
    -vote Mreevee


    You are right Mreevee, I should take my test vote off of Frinckles and put it on you until I learn how to unvote.
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    ►►Re: S-FM 345: Hypixel-SC2Mafia Cross Community Game◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by MartinGG99 View Post
    I have a lead

    on N-1 I learned that I am town
    So, the lying begins. I learned on d1 that you learned on n1 that you were town (wink). And if taunt is looking for leads and REASONS to vote people, he should play SC2 Mafia. I was under the impression we mostly shit-talked and pretended to know more than we could objectively know because its an FM game. But we have two town claims already. Why you claiming town so quickly Martin, got something to hide? Or maybe, you do not have something to hide, and you are nervous that I will think you are nervous and I'll assume it is because you have something to hide?
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    ►►Re: S-FM 345: Hypixel-SC2Mafia Cross Community Game◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Drizzt View Post
    -vote Frinckles
    That was just a test, I know how to vote apparently. Not sure how to unvote Frink, but I know how to lynch him!
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  37. Forum:Mafia Bug Reports

    Thread:Bank Reset workaround

    Thread Author:Killy

    Post Author:Drizzt

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    Sticky: {Solved} ►►Re: Bank Reset workaround◄◄

    I have had the bank issue twice now for two different reasons. You can always solve the problem by finding your mafia bank, and deleting it. You may need to run Ccleaner. If that does not work, and DJarJar and myself ran into this problem, it will be solved by deleting all SC2 Banks on your hard drive (you can save a backup) and running Ccleaner.
  38. Forum:Mafia Bug Reports

    Thread:Lover

    Thread Author:asdf2020

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    [Other] ►►Re: Lover◄◄

    Kinda romantic in a twisted sort of way.
  39. ►►Re: Electro and Poisoner Considered Useless: Frinckles Manages to Ignore the Community Once Again◄◄

    All in all. Frinckles has done a good job. Remember, part of the process requires testing. Some things work, some do not. But what we can control in the meantime is our attitude. Frinckles is the only one in many years who is willing to work pro bono so we can continue. Be nice, be grateful. Ren your criticisms may be on point, but you need to work on delivery.
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    ►►Re: Extreme Policing by Staff of Legitimate Play◄◄

    I absolutely agree that he should have informed his team of his intent. But if you are using his failure to inform his team as a justification for the punishment, then we need to look at the replay. He did in fact inform them he was making a strategy move, but he failed to inform his team what that move was. Still, his intent was to inform his team, he was just bad at it. It was a poor strategy but being an idiot should not be punishable. Furthermore, he had no mal (bad) intent going into his play. He was trying to win. So it comes down to whether or not you believe that an incredibly stupid honest mistake should be punishable via griefing. I do not.

    Now, if he has other reports which indicate a pattern of behavior counter to our community rules and guidelines, that would sway me to say this was not an honest mistake. Does he have any reports? Has anyone played with him and can speak to his usual behavior.
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  42. ►►Re: Restoration Request Bank Problems BrockSamson 1-S2-2-542260◄◄

    I successfully got rid of the bug. It was interesting to note that simply deleting everything in my trash wasn't enough. I needed to use Ccleaner.
  43. ►►Restoration Request Bank Problems BrockSamson 1-S2-2-542260◄◄

    Account Name: BrockSamson
    Account ID: 1-S2-2-542260
    Approximate Points: 172k


    This time, I believe the problem is similar to the one other people have experienced. My bank resets each game, I have to manually enter my name, and it warns the lobby that I am a hacker. I am unable to host games. I will need to delete my banks manually prior to a restoration and run Ccleaner- that worked last time. Otherwise any restoration will just reset. I use Mac, and the bank is naturally hidden, Mac isn't fond of peeps going in and modifying anything, so I'll probably need to call applecare again like last time.

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    Thanks!

    Brock
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    ►►Re: Meta Definition // Highlights // State of the Game◄◄

    The only thing I'll say about electromaniac is that it is very difficult to achieve the shock value, pun intended, of the electromaniac role with only 1 electromaniac. There needs to be at least 2 running around charging people to have a noticeable effect on town and the other factions.

    Poisoner is okay, I have seen poisoner derail so many games that were objectively heading toward one faction winning by day 6 and then suddenly the poisoner's impact on the game hit and you have 3 mafia reduced to 1 in the span of a day if you include other risk factors like lynching or the NK running around.
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    ►►Re: Meta Definition // Highlights // State of the Game◄◄

    I think Frink has done a fine job so far. 2.0 was an update we needed, and given the budget I think it was rolled on schedule and with updates as quickly as possible.
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    {Permanently Banned} ►►Anknoire 1-S2-1-10179968◄◄

    Player: Anknoire
    In Game Name: PHD IN NIGGER
    ID: 1-S2-1-10179968
    Crimes: Game Throwing


    Day two he proceeds to out the whole mafia then leave.

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    -Brock
  47. ►►Re: on bank file issue, I might request point request someday◄◄

    Just remember where the apocalypse started. Who patient zero was. It will be my anti-bodies which provide the cure and save the mafia race.

    Quote Originally Posted by Killy View Post
    Hi, I'm killy.

    Thanks a lot to all -Mafia- players, the staff , and the developers.
    Most part of the post might be a bug report on a bank file issue, addressed to Frinckles.
    it would be a point restoration request. or maybe not.


    (I) Some mafia players realized this problem in late April.
    There's a bank file issue/ bug.

    Spoiler : 'YOUR BANK IS INVALID!' :


    One day, suddenly, it will happen to you.
    The mafia system says:
    "WARNING - YOUR BANK IS INVALID! NO STATS WILL BE SAVED! delete "MBank13.SC2Bank"!.
    And it announces the disgracing and unpleasant message to everyone:
    "##### is hacker! Please report #####!"

    This happened to BrockSamson, it happened to ChannelMiner, it happened to Max, it happened to Law, it happened to BattleSause. It happened to me. And it happened to every player who plays -Mafia- a lot.

    Some of us deleted bank files and gave up points /stats/ setups.
    Some of us roll-backed our bank files from old banks.


    (II)
    Spoiler : What happened? :

    (1) I took a backup of my bank file(*) just one day ago

    (2) After a few games playing, I encountered the bank reset issue.
    The system asked to delete my bank file. So I rolled back to (*)'s old bank file

    (3) the bank issue happened again. (I rolled back the bank again and again)

    I realized "this bank issue is happening every 5 games (after rolling back the bank file to (*))"


    (III)
    Spoiler : What is happening? :

    A bank glitch happened in the next game after the one I hadn't stayed till the end. (hey, I d rolled lover, and the role rarely survives)
    Usually, your bank saves your stats at the end of the game (*2).
    Something is strange. So I checked what was happening to my bank file during the games.

    following "3 bytes file size increasing" happens at the setup phase. not at the end of the game part which saves your stats(*2)

    (I was skipping (*2) the "saving stats" phase for the reproducibility test. but I m not throwing a single game for the test)



    *Fact*
    (A) the -Mafia- system gets your bank file size increased by 3 bytes in every game at the initial phase in which the host load setups.

    (B) my back-uped bank(*) has 9083 bytes (9KB).
    the bank file size gets increased by 3 bytes in every game (at the setup phase).


    *record:
    (1) 9083 bytes {roll-backed (*) bank file} -> (2) 9086 bytes -> (3) 9089 bytes -> (4) 9092 bytes -> (5)9095 bytes

    I can play games with (1)~(4) banks without a problem.
    When I play with (5)'s bank file (9095 bytes), there s a warning "your bank is invalid" and there is a big announcement "killy is a hacker"

    I repeated da (1)~(5) sequence more than three times.
    There was reproducibility.


    *guess*
    When the sum of these "3 bytes" reaches a number of sizes, or when the total bank file size exceeds a limit (9095 bytes),
    might the -Mafia- system treat the bank files as invalid to announce "##### is a hacker"?
    (maybe the system did't expect the bank file gets 9KB sized?)



    It matches my condition. "9KB" is the same as mine. and It would support my hypothesis.


    (IV)
    Spoiler : I believe the same bug will happen to everyone. :

    Drizzt and I have rolled back our bank files with old backups.
    But I believe the same issue is going to happen to us when our bank files reach 9095 bytes again.
    I believe the same bug will happen to everyone. Your bank file is growing by 3 bytes in every game.
    (please check your bank file size changing during games for more samples)

    ("I haven't encountered the bug yet" --- It's just "you haven't played the game a lot yet")

    Also, we are getting called "You are hackers! Please report!"
    Is it funny to the staff? At least, not so fun for us.

    Did you hack? --- No. We didn't.
    We are getting punished for playing -Mafia- a lot.

    I believe we can count on the wizard Flickles that he is going to solve this bank issue someday.
    Just in case devs have to give the bank glitch up as hopeless, I might request a point restoration.
    (ChannelMiner's method would be the best. Refreshing your bank file)
    in that time, let me count on you.

    Thank you
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    {Watch List} ►►Re: Belial 1-S2-1-1584798; IIIIIIIIIIII 1-S2-1-5187153◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by TheRealBelial View Post
    so everyone and half the lobby drop the hard R over and over but I'm in trouble for the names I pick? It's just baiting for kills as jester or veteran rolls.
    You are responsible for your actions. You chose to make racial slurs, and you chose to make fun of crimes against children. These are choices you are making in our community, and any action staff takes is a reflection upon us as to what we do in response to your choices.
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    {Ban List} ►►Eisenhorn 1-S2-1-2779783 MrFuzzy: 1-S2-1-10195915◄◄

    Player: Eisenhorn
    Crime: Throwing
    ID:1-S2-2779783

    Final night he purposely visited me electrocuting us both to give the electromaniac the win. He even admits it at the end.

    Also, I know he knows how the electromaniac role works because he pm'd me advising me to stay at home because 11 was electromaniac and we were likely charged.

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    --Brock
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