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  1. Forum:Closed Signups (S-FM)

    Thread:S-FM 326: Matrix6 (9P)

    Thread Author:OzyWho

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    incoherent screaming
    @Frinckles @Mike @Auwt @theoneceko @bakermir GET BACK HERE AND SIGN >=O
    aw MM I would sign but I will be havin busy IRL these days, I hardly participated in the past two games. I will start playing again once I have more time. I really want to play both Last Hope and this actually but.. T_T
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    ►►Re: The line between obsession and dedication◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    Days like today I wonder about this line. What is considered 'normal' or 'competitive' or 'unhealthy.' As with any game there is levels of dedication but this is one that has a greater scope than any I have ever touched on. How far is too far and how do our expectations of what is normal translate into the norms we practice as a community's? Is there a line or should we accept its up to each individual?

    The random thoughts crawling in my head right now..
    It is certainly up to each individual since what you describe here is correlated with individual experience. People with more experience are able to dedicate their time to things in a more healthy manner. Helz is experienced in FM so if Helz here investing more time than others but others are calling it "obsession" or "unhealthy" then that becomes a fallacy. Unless Helz is putting their own health or someones health at risk, it will never be an obsession or unhealthy for Helz.

    I think that line is purely defined by individual experience.
  3. Forum:Forum Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Gambits

    Thread Author:Helz

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    What is your FM experience btw?
    Started last summer with SuperJack and Auwt introducing me to it and coached by Varcron. I did play sc2mod in WoL more than a decade ago and similar games IRL so there is that ;p

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    I find it strange how SC2Mafia players fake claim so casually, yet they rarely give cop cover as let's say MU do.

    Similarly, in Season 2 of Mafia Championship, players from all the smaller communities had to be taught to give cop cover by fake claiming.

    For example, in this game, SC2Mafia play a classical Cop 9'et setup - but they don't cover the cop even though the host put that strategy out there. Yet we have no problem claiming random shit in other games.


    I'm surprised you carried Town against a scum Martin. Can you give the link (it wouldn't be hard to find it myself though, if it's a bother)? I would love to read that final MyLo day.
    I wouldn't say carried lol but my reads and PoE were influential enough to lead town into consensus and box the scum. We had multiple fake claimers so it was interesting imo. I will DM you the link to MyLo in discord.

    I also agree that the whole fakeclaiming is done on Day 1 to create cover for actual PR's and I am glad you noticed what I mean with site meta. I haven't seen it being done much here while it is quite common offsite.


    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Sounds bad. Are they even scumhunting?
    Like a cool inconsistency catch would be: "Your last given read on them was townread. You say you're suspicious of them since post x, but looking at your ISO I can't find any evidence of that because you've only shown a confidence in them being town. Can you show a post where your doubt on them was reflected in any of your posts?" - if people don't care about other people's PoV, how do they scumhunt?
    (I feel like I should know the answer myself)



    We should start introducing policy lynches against chaos makers so that, in time, people start to play the game properly.

    I do think that Chaos isn't good for town and they shouldn't condone it.



    I bus Oberon every game. Just can't get that lynch on him, dude is holding his own way too efficiently.

    Ftr, I don't think Town has anyone to blame but themselves when multiple games in a row D1 ends with barely 200 posts and 0 info.

    I totally agree with you. D1's on this site is so weak, have we ever lynched scum on D1 here? I bet some of you did years ago but did it happen lately? I can't remember. Little amount of posts, almost no scumhunting have been the trend lately here.

    Does it mean we have good scum players? Do we allow scum players have more freedom? A lot of stuff to think about..
  4. Forum:Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Claiming a role on the stand

    Thread Author:Veliaire

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    Quote Originally Posted by Veliaire View Post
    I've been playing this for a few years now, and I have come to learn that if a town is hell bent on lynching someone, no amount of pleading on the stand will save them. Recently, I came across a thread where a player was banned for 'gamethrowing' because he did not claim a role to a mayor. Is that really a bannable offense? I've done it too sometimes. Not given my role to a bloodthirsty town who will just lynch me anyway. Why jump through hoops?

    Thoughts?
    There is a thin line between being on the stand and not. As long as you behave "towny" you will never find yourself on the stand.

    Past two days I have been playing with the nickname "sleepi" in mod and haven't been put on the stand once. I think it all begins with how you position yourself in the game. This goes for any alignment.


    While on the stand, it is often important you claim your role and lw. But sometimes(!) good mod players will fake vote you up. At this point you can claim anything reasonable and you can even refuse to claim if you are SURE about the outcome a.k.a people will INNO the vote to find opportunistic guilty votes. This just goes on.


    To answer you; I don't think it is gamethrowing in some situations but all town players should claim a role and lw on stand if you can't convince other players to lynching others ^^
  5. Forum:Forum Mafia Discussion

    Thread:Gambits

    Thread Author:Helz

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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    Oh no, Last game it worked out well for you. You strongly disrupted town conversation and never got lynched. My last comment was thinking about that time you claimed to be a neutral and it got you lynched. I think I have only played 2 games with you ever where you pulled a fps claim.

    Im just a little surprised your not more interested in the conversation. Gambits seem to be the thing you love most about Mafia and this is a thread talking about how they can be used more effectively.

    One of the tells I would look for would be if a player maintains exclusive survival focus. Or the difference between arguing you are wrong vs seeking explanations for why they would be red checked (Like a bus driver or a framer). Its also damning if they just shut down and quit speaking when they feel the jig is up.
    Yeah this is a good thing to consider.

    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    That was a very good gambit. It prevented your team from claiming the PR and also convinced them that they knew all PR's. It also semi-confirmed to him that you guys had in fact killed a PR if he thought that through.

    Honestly I pull gambits in almost every game I play. I am just obsessively subtle and do them without making overt claims so players rarely recognize what I am up to.
    Oberon's gambit would be considered NAI as he have done it in the switcher game before too. Your observation is correct though as I certainly believed in what I thought to be true but I failed to put enough time or effort to help other townies see to it.

    I am gonna stray offtopic a bit here because I believe gambits can be done right but only if you have a good grasp of the site meta or your name is Helz or Frinckles. My gambit failed because town lost(they didn't follow my vote on Oberon/SJ) so the end result is not what I wanted but I did expect it since I did semi quit that game as being on cold turkey IRL and how the game was progressing. Also to be fair; I don't have a good knowledge of Sc2Maf meta and history..

    I think it all depends on the circumstances, how the game been progressing. In many mafia games I have found at least one or two scum being involved in dead air wagons, sometimes on D1 and most often on D2. I think this comes from how town!pov players having to combat their fears and paranoia while scum can fake such emotions and can not be distinguished one from another that easily on D1. Change in tone and mindset is usually what gives scum away looking back at their D1 and D2. Now, I don't really have much history of sc2maf FM, only a year.. however, we do have a slightly different meta on Sc2Maf than let's say MU as I played a fair amount of games there last year. There are things we do here that would be like "WTF" to those people and some stuff they do were "WTF" for me when I first got exposed to them. I have seen scum players there giving it away on their first 5 posts or so into d1 due to lack of experience, another observation would be you can rarely find a town player ever fakeclaiming a role etc.. They do it on D1 sometimes but not really hard claims.. Games are more tame so to speak. Sc2Maf is a bit wilder especially when it comes to claims.. Just like wise FrosyByte once said, you need some hunter biden crack so you can fakeclaim on sc2maf lol

    Few months ago I had a hidden setup game with scum MartinGG on MU where I fake claimed towns MVPR while I was citizen and it was WTF for people post game when they read my role. In that game I was able to convince people into my reads to correct lynch on MyLo then we won with scum concede but again it was easier for me there to project my town vibes to people while on Sc2Maf people don't care much about your PoV besides your claim. I often struggle on this site to get myself heard so it naturally isolates me in most of the games. As towns goal is to find each other, we often have experienced scum players here trolling the town players masterfully and push them into isolation from each other. Another example; You can often find mafia goons gettin bussed offsite games while on SC2Maf I have only seen one instance of such play and it came from MartinGG in that game where they bussed their partner Marshmallow Marshall on d1, forgot the game name but I was observing it. So in SC2Maf not all players but on average I would say majority of town players every game fail to find each other when there is a good scum team in the game or town simply don't have enough motivation. This gives scum more space to move around when it comes to interactions and potentially gambits. This creates a massive quicksand in reads where players often circle on slots and unable to make a push and end up joining the dead air wagons like last ladder game was a great example to what I am talking about.

    If there is a good example of town finding each other in a game, I recommend all to read the Scum Town game hosted by Mike recently. I was able to find all PR's and help them find each other subtly. I was in a position to win the game if I were scum and they knew it but I did managed to give town vibes to those people and scum were destroyed once town members found a middle ground for trust.

    What does this have to do with gambits? Well, I am not a fan of gambits town pov but if the site meta is different than you often find players with different backgrounds disagreeing with each other on some fundamentals they believe on. I have learned this the hard way as I experienced more and more games onsite/offsite with some players here.. You can find VM players like Mike having a different tone, FM players having a different tone and then mod players like me being different but there are areas where our thoughts can find the middle ground and this is why I like SC2Mafia because we got a diverse player base unlike other sites and those sites do tend to get monotonous.

    I am probably never doing a gambit again if I ever play a game here. I am into fun but I don't wanna ruin other people's fun so the whole point is; be responsible when making gambits as town as it is nearly impossible to make every other town member happy about it. So many different players and so many styles, especially a site like SC2Maf, I have been doing a lot of noob stuff but in order to get respect of other players I guess a player needs to be more responsible with their actions.
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    I felt really down each time we lost town players. Auwt had the best reads this game and I was so sad they died from the start. Losing Helz as doc was another blow mafia NK's were good for sure 2 PR's down..

    Oh also.. MM you are mad man managing to bait mafia NK past few games you are really consistent on dying N1 lol I envy that. Surely the best contribution and least headaches.
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    SuperJack is insane. If this game continued I am sure he could have convinced people to lynch me or anyone tbh I am shocked how D1 and D2 were forgotten by everyone.


    @OzyWho I think you had it easy subbing in this game so I was right on your slacking being scum indicative
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Baker, reading your lw I gotta ask - did you townread anyone or is everyone just different levels of scummy?
    yeah it is goofy
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    sorry for ragequitting past 2 days tbh I could have played it way better but I was tilted since eod2 I felt all alone.


    I CC'ed oberon because I believed him to be scum and then the claim just stayed on..


    here is my cringe LW also, I should have probably posted this when d4 started


    Spoiler : LW :
    everything I have done, I could have done as scum. I knew what I was doing from my first post to last, it was all part of scumhunting. Oberon and SJ are scum in my books with third scum unknown.

    You want a guaranteed scum lynch then make sure to vote SJ or Oberon tomorrow. From the carol Mike received, I doubt Mike was lying about it. Auwt was most probably caroler. I had to play the way did. I told you guys Varcron is town. I am also sorry about voting NumberTwo, I felt like he was telling the truth too so who pushed for 2 mislynches in a row? Helz/Yagami on NumberTwo and blink/QPR on Varcron. I hope helz and blink are not mafia.. If blink is mafia, then Yagami has to side with town against blink/mike. But again this is very slim chance.

    Between Renegade and SJ my vote would be on SJ. Renegade feels town tone wise and I have played good amount of games with him, I am sure he was also able to tell I am town. If Renegade is scum here then policy his ass in future games.

    OzyWho can't be scum because of the slot they replaced in. I doubt it was mafia. Their input reminds me of their scum games though so watch out he might very well be scum. Town!Ozy posts A LOT of gamesolving and scumhunting.. scum!Ozy is a bit lazy.

    blink could potentially be mafia but again there isn't any proof to this besides their random ass lynching townies and his refusal to vote Oberon or blindly trust QPR.

    QPR is more likely to be mafia between blink/QPR based on scummy wagon he started on Varcron, if this game was played on any other site, QPR would have been lynched on spot for pushing that horrible ML 2 days in a row. so I would recommend lynching him if it comes to that. He might be the third scum.


    PoE: lynch between SJ vs Renegade tomorrow (my vote would be on SJ), then kill off Oberon the day after and find the last mafia from survivors.

    I could write more but I wrote this on discord and there is 2000 character limit SO yeah..

    Good luck town.



    gg tho, i had good laughs this game. love you all
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    -unvote


    I will be away, need a break.
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    oi wanka idk what im doing, i already sent my list of suspects yesterday
    what do you think about Renegade and SuperJack claims?
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    It's in my wall post. Today.
    I am reading it
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    Oh. I'll just whip out the players and role list. Who do you think I am?

    You have my read list.
    is it the one you made on d2?
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    yeah mate

    been with UK people recently so it is stuck to my tongue now
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    It's only possible if a TPR is still hiding. Which they can't reveal because they would get lynched anyway
    SJ do you want Renegade lynched or what? tell us mate
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Plot twist: Baker is Mafia and just gave us his 4 choices of fake LWs to taunt us
    who is mafia PQR? can you give us a list mate
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    I can't help but be paranoid. But yes, a scenario would be Blink is scum with Number2+ one other. Today can be a mislynch and lose if blink is scum. That might just me be overthinking it like how in the game where Orbron was scum and fake claimed sheriff, a sml part of me believed MM could be scum.
    the only way out for town in your solve is to vote blink or mike out for double lynch which sounds amazing but I am not sold on it. we have a carol saying you and renegade are most likely mafia here and I know I am voting one scum right now, if mafia double KPN tonight then that confirms blink or mafia can keep them alive and kill me instead it is up to mafia now, I doubt my vote will change today. I am still interested in reading your gamesolve
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    so what's your solve again SJ/Oberon team with either ozy/pqr/ren as the third?
    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    Post # 1423 doesn't make any sense to me, what's your solve SJ+Oberon team with either ozy/PQR/Ren?
    thats what I had in my LW yeah I still think that's the right way to go. if ren is mafia then policy lynch them every game from now on, my metaread on him tells me he is town this game but again I might be wrong. I am not sure what makes SJ town. help me see it?
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by blinkskater View Post
    I don't understand still but ok
    my claim or what? I am confused now
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    I've said already that if Number 2 is actress the game would not have ended.

    btw I didn't ready shit today except the @ from QPR and the few posts on this page


    do you mean blink on purpose avoided NumberTwo wagon early on and partners with Oberon? what's your solve exactly?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    Yeh that's what puts me off random-alignment neutrals. They throw the balance of any game. The only thing that bemifits this setup is that the neutrals have no idea on their targets alignment.
    But then that means you have players that have neutrals painting them as town and defending them. In this case we have SuperBlink. There is no way with blink having 2 followers that blink can be lynched.
    with respect to all players the game should have ended already if blink was mafia so if they are maf and allowed to slowroll an entire new day then thats quite toxic towards all but I don't think frinckles would have allowed that so there must be a way for us town to win this game. I am gonna take all my time and I have no reason to change my mind on blink/yagami/mike today unless there is an open CC.


    also my 4x claim was for QPR to figure out since I don't trust him and we got a lot of preying eyes here. I still think some information should be kept hidden for towns good.

    mass claim will render the town wifom useless and we might need it in two nights if we do 2 correct lynches in a row. @blinkskater
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    is it safe for town to place a vote today? let's find out

    -vote Oberon


    die scum
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    It's possible that Number Two was actress. Meaning if so, they only have 4 votes

    Man I love your epic 4 claim claims.

    But does no feedback mean they are different alignments? If so who did you check?
    yeah perhaps if Varcron/NumberTwo were actress then scum!blink wouldn't be able to close the game but I think thats least likely to happen here with all we have. I don't wanna believe in that world the game would be so maf sided then..


    i wanted to check you and oberon on n3
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Light_Yagami View Post
    Yeah Maybe So.. 2 Bad I Feel It Didnt Help.. The Way It Was Saposta Help.. I Should Have Been Dead By Night 2 Had The Plan Gone Accordingly.. Hence I Believe Actress Was On Me Night 1 As Well The Could Have From My Perspective.. Used 2 Resources On Me Night 1.. Just To Verify If I Was Honest..
    There is a good chance Actress was on Auwt first and Helz next. What is this about?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    @bakermir you still claiming Caroler? Enlighten us about n1 n3
    caroler N1 MM | N2 Mike | N3 blink
    Ornamentalist N1 Light | N2 blink | N3 SuperJack
    Patron N1 no feedback | N2 no feedback | N3 no feedback
    Listmaker N1 auwt-varcron same | N2 helz-varcron same | N3 no feedback



    blink + yagami/mike > if blink is maf they basically control 5 votes today and the game would have been over so he is town unless they are slowrolling and if thats the case please end the game..




    my poe Oberon/SJ today and tomorrow and third day Renegade/Ozy/PQR whoever is alive I guess
  28. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM 325: Trust Fall (10p)

    Thread Author:Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post
    Petition to rename all red forum mods to Siths.
    MM is already the defacto dark lord
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    Thread:edited by timer

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    i understand I will be the lynch if we get 2 scum lynches in a row today/tomorrow and I am perfectly fine with that because of actress risk so there is really nothing we gain from pushing me. If Varcron is consort and not SJ or OzyWho then we are good anyway
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Baker you looking scummy right now is a good thing if you are real

    yeah I don't give a shit you guys feel free to lynch me tomorrow I am done. I hope varcron is consort thats all I have to say
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    If awut was Caroler Awut was Cleaned if baker is the cleaner he could easy fake claim that role today.

    Is it as easy as varcron baker and Oberon mafia team?
    this is awful. If I knew what Auwt was or if I were mafia I wouldn't even bother posting half the shit I posted. I understand the suspicion based on setup mechanics but saying I actively defended Varcron is wrong. I don't care who dies as long as we prevent the double KPN
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    There are currently 10 users browsing this thread. (8 members and 2 guests)

    Helz, blinkskater, Light_Yagami+, Mike, Renegade, SuperJack+, Varcron

    Varcron (4 [L-2]):
    blinkskater, Light_Yagami, Mike, PQRnHack
    Mike (1 [L-5]):
    Varcron
    SuperJack (1 [L-5]):
    Oberon
    Oberon (1 [L-5]):
    bakermir
    Renegade (1 [L-5]):
    OzyWho


    (Note Renegade only not voting for hammer control)

    Varcron is dead, there is no way I convince people to vote SJ or Oberon two days in a row. If Varcron flips mafia, thats great news tho but I highly doubt he is gonna flip mafia. If you guys are unsure about me then lynch me right now while you can because there is no way I prove that I am not actress right? People are just gonna keep calling me scum because I am a PR lol I am sure one of the patron claimer is scum. Could be Varcron, could be Renegade, could be Oberon. My money is on Oberon
  34. Forum:Archived S-FMs

    Thread:S-FM 325: Trust Fall (10p)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    I'll give you that xD
    Perhaps "nothing" was better than this though
    dude ngl i was salty when I saw the game ended. maybe try again with having nights next run
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    Thread:S-FM 325: Trust Fall (10p)

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    Quote Originally Posted by luona View Post
    I would've 100% trusted you if you trusted me its so sad that it ended so early

    i hope we play together again soon but im shy


    huh did i play wrong, you thought i was trying to fool you all?





    omg also, can someone sign up for a game with me, I have none in mind but i just dont wanna sign up for one alone without friends

    yeah I hope so too. dm me on discord for a game
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    sorry if it made you feel that way @Helz
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    So right now I am catching up. I swear I just read your D2 Iso to this point 4 times and never found any hint at a question. You either think you said something you didn't or you are just expecting me to respond to every post in the game which is just never going to happen.

    I also do not get these posts

    Sure. Your saying 1v1 but you have given no reasoning why we can not both be town, both be scum or even why one of us being one alignment means the other is not aligned.

    Feel free to @ me next time you have a question if you ever had one. I very much dislike being talked about as if I avoided some question.


    Quote Originally Posted by Helz View Post
    I honestly havent seen it. Bakermir's posts make me feel like he thinks Oberon CC'd him?Im really tired and will have to dig into this in the morning but this suggests Bakermir is claiming to be the carroler who gave Mike a carol N2 and suggesting that he claimed it before Oberon?

    I will sort this the best I can tomorrow morning but right now I am just kind of squinting my eyes and tilting my head at Bakermir's posts trying to make any sense of them.

    Oberon had CC'ed Mike earlier today stating fake carroler feedback which he revealed later to be a gambit to gain some sort of information. I have no clue how Bakemir plays into this and am very uncomfortable with his posts sense I left. My issue with giving Oberon a hard town pass is that he did it after mike claimed feedback and also the day after a janitor kill which revealed a role to the Mafia team.

    I may be tired enough to have missed something but this situation makes me want to tell everyone to pull away from lynch range with their votes until the chaos is sorted.

    @Helz


    The first quote you linked is about me thinking Oberon is Janitor and Mike is being potentially the heartbreaker and you as mafia if mike were to be town. Game was moving too fast and I had to do a reaction test on Mike and that quoted post is precisely that. At the time I could see janitor claiming first in mafia team regardless of heartbreaker/actress existing in the team so thats where my mind was at.


    There were a lot of things going on so I said "waiting for helz to respond" as in respond to everything that's happening. I didn't have a question for you or made it look like you are ignoring me. Only Mike was ignoring my Heartbreaker comment where in a world where Oberon is janitor. But then Mike responded to it. You should read the game with a clear head then and feel free to question me if you are confused about my posts.
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    well if I die tonight please get SJ and Oberon if the game continues tomorrow after Varcron lynch. thats my LW, read my posts if you need more info
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Light_Yagami View Post
    We Have 9 Minutes Left Not Much More Will Change In That Time I Dont Think
    oh yeah true
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    Quote Originally Posted by Renegade View Post
    I'm also okay voting Varcron, but are we ready for the day to end?
    please don't end the day early. let people use all the time, helz was missing, SJ requested time too. Hammer is anti-town atm given we are not 100% sure about PQR alignment
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    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    Good read, Blink. We need town on Varcron, please.
    Varcron is at L-1, he is a dead man lol
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    oh if doc is on me light is on blink we both live another night.
    not just that but also town doesn't lose if we prevent double kill from happening. this is why it is important doc doesn't visit me tonight
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    @bakermir I have you as confirmed Town now ok Doc heal him please.
    don't you want doctor to heal blink so you can win too?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Well the CC was my fault as I read Baker softing you know what I have an idea

    @bakermir I want you to quote where you softed. Make sure I did not read into your posts and this will let the rest of town see what I saw and get true reads.
    dude i already did I am gettin annoyed at you now I am never sending you shit again, first took you ages to reveal it then took you a lot of messages to get a confirm read the thread if you or ozy are still havin trouble with this or vote me I am not gonna bother with this anymore.


    also the doctor should never visit me because I know I will either get RB'd or NK'd let it happen I don't wanna be in this game F5 or so with people still accusing me to be varcrons partner based on 1 fuckin action and discarding everything else I said it is ridiculous.



    you guys think Varcron is partner to Oberon/SJ instead of Helz or Rene or Ozy then go ahead lets lynch Varcron then IDGAF I want town to fuckin stop fuckin around and find the third maf without bias. Only world where I am mafia is that I am exactly the actress knowing Auwt is caroler as blink mentioned but this is all paranoia and bordering tinfoil because I have been pushing for mafias lynch this entire game when I look at vote history while people been avoidin lynches.


    my night one was MM as I confirmed it earlier btw and the reason why I picked MM was he was my first patron/mafia read from interactions with auwt and blink, I had Mike pegged as potential neutral then too so decided to visit him on n2 seeing he was even more obvious d2.


    coming to d3 it took mike quite a while to post and this is why I avoided posting most of the day, once mike claimed the carol I made him know it was me but he had to be sure so he kept asking me and I wasn't sure about oberon truly being scum directly cc'ing me, I suspected oberon to possibly be town fakeclaiming but in any case I keep my vote on them. I am not convinced at all the Baker/Varcron world building btw I understand some of you are maybe trying to protect me but I am useless at this point. If you honestly think i am partner of Varcron then fuck off ppl i am rly pissed at @Mike @OzyWho and @PQRnHack



    Give me a reason why I shouldn't vote SuperJack or Oberon over Varcron besides what blink said about possible actress



    I want consort dead
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    Quote Originally Posted by PQRnHack View Post
    @bakermir please explain the logic for Caroling Mike N2?
    i will after my dinner typin 1 finger is hard
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Oberon View Post
    LOL
    rating this game thread 5 stars
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    Thread:S-FM 325: Trust Fall (10p)

    Thread Author:Mike

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    Quote Originally Posted by luona View Post
    u guys r so mean i literally said happy meal was scum and was right

    i wanted to trust fall with bakermir so badly but i didnt know if he woud trust me ;-;
    aw luona I wanted to trust fall with you but then I told myself If I do that everyone will think I am scum, then I thought hmm what if I suggested to you that we both find someone else to fall with but then that wouldn't look good either. it was so hard T_T


    honestly, I wasn't prepared for the game end this early with people being easy with trusting ;/ it was nontheless very fun to play with you even for a day enjoyed your content, I had you as my top town no lies hope to play with you again.


    I admit, was I harsh towardds OzyWho? yeah a bit.. too bad we couldn't get to play this longer.
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    @OzyWho

    those are not all the claims btw
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    Quote Originally Posted by OzyWho View Post

    @bakermir where did you claim and what?
    i softed it in multiple posts and also claimed it, just not in a full sentence I claim caroler. I am the true caroler and Oberon is scum or small chance another PR we don't know since Oberon lied about their claims earlier
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    ►►Re: ★ S-FM 323 (Ladder): Silent(er) Night (14P) ★◄◄

    Quote Originally Posted by Mike View Post
    Baker if I was heartbreaker I would not have cleared you as the real one with you and Oberon. Think man think
    I'm okay with switching to SJ and Helz unless you guys find the exact mafia. I did save varcron and I am not sure if I am gonna regret that or not but I still believe he is town
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