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    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    I'm actually not I pulled that example out of my ass lol.
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...nts/654353001/
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    Quote Originally Posted by oops_ur_dead View Post
    Fair point on the first two. They were a bit extreme maybe, though I can think of other, more moderate examples. What about someone convincing others of their genuine belief that a hurricane about to hit their city was a hoax, encouraging people to risk their lives by staying in their homes? Or maybe someone publicly posting suicide method success rates in areas with mentally vulnerable people? How about someone spreading images of a victim of violent crime in places where their family might see them?

    The third is something that has already happened in the real world. Not sure about Australian law, but there was actually a subreddit that was exactly what I described (plus even worse offshoots, like near-sexual images of dead underage girls' corpses) that didn't run afoul of US law, and was probably the first major example of reddit censoring a community that wasn't actively breaking the law.
    This is already allowed on public radio. You're probably referring to the same thing I'm thinking of, no way thats a coincidence lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by rumox View Post
    1. In the Senate of the USA Dianne Feinstein introduced legislation making it illegal to distribute bomb making instructions on the internet. This legislation has rightfully been cross-examined since books aren't within the scope of this law, but in on the internet there is protection against it.

    2. I'd say that propagating false information that will lead to self harm falls under some law.

    3. If people are sharing pictures of children framed to be sexually provocative on a public medium they would possibly be the most dumbest person in existence. They are already social pariahs and resort to operating in the shadows. Also, at least in Australia, we have laws against this.
    Pretty good rebuttal, I just wanted to let you know I also agree with everything you said here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rumox View Post
    What if a social media platform was created as a public utility? It should theoretically be the bastion of freedom of speech on the internet.
    I know I said I wouldn't jump back in here, but I wanted to say that I 100% support this POV.

    There would probably still be a criteria for marking/blurring certain things "nsfw", but ad free and used as a public service and not as a means of profit would mean that it would not be allowed to be censored.

    @yzb25 yeah social media sites like Twitter and Facebook are a giant source of information, but first and foremost they are a business. Which is why they advertise. They exist to make money. Decisions they make affect advertising, so they are going to do what they feel maximizes those profits.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    I obviously don’t think that people should be jailed for expressing different views from me, I’m just highly skeptical when I see someone being misrepresented in that manner, at a time like this.

    And tbh it’s kind of insulting of you to suggest that I’d want to jail political opponents when I’ve not a) personally attacked anyone on this thread and b) refrained from logical fallacies. Which @BananaCucho and oops did btw.
    I would suggest that you refrain from that in the future because I will not respond to strawmans lol. This debate isn’t about me.
    Bro I'm done arguing with you. You literally said this:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    Personally, is you ask me, this just shows that some people (like Warren), should probably go to jail.
    And then you defended that argument over and over

    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    What laws is this breaking? Why does this warrant her being in jail?


    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    I’m not aware of it breaking any laws, it’s just completely despicable for someone in her position (or indeed for anyone at all) to be doing that.


    Quote Originally Posted by BananaCucho View Post
    Then why say you think she should be in jail? wtf lmao


    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    It’s immoral at best, at worst it’s dangerous. You could basically say she’s egging the rioters on.
    But now I'm strawmanning? Now I'm misrepresenting your own words? Naw. There's no point even trying to reason with you. Enjoy your circlejerk.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    FWIW, they’ve sent the national guard in in Georgia and they prevented this kind of absurd rioting from happening. So it’s pretty clear to me that it would not ‘have the opposite effect’.
    Has the National Guard started shooting people as you suggested they do? (I actually don't know but I feel like that would have made national news if it did)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Marshmallow Marshall View Post
    To be more specific, it's about to become (or has already become) a partisan-filled, biased arguing thread instead of a debate on free speech itself. Now to participate to it a bit...
    You had to have known this would happen. In fact, you should be in jail for inciting this conflict ;)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    You think the rioters are your good Samaritans rising up for the oppressed? Why are they targeting innocent policemen who had nothing to do with the murder?

    They even vandalized stores when the owners had nothing to do with the murder. I don’t think these people care at all about George Floyd. I think these people just wanted to fuck shit up and wanted a reason to do it
    There are always going to be people that take advantage of a situation

    But if George Floyd isn't murdered, the riots never happen in the first place. Address the injustice, you prevent future riots.

    You shoot them down? You just escalate the situation. When has escalation ever been the smart way to go?
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    If I come to sc2mafia and vote in an ongoing game that I'm not signed up for, I'm gonna get banned

    Oh noes muh free speech
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    If he was at all concerned about black people, he would not threatened the rioters using a quote from a previous racial incident and instead try to help reform the blatant abuse and racism of law enforcement and bring justice to the guilty party.
    Bingo. Why is retaliating against rioters smart instead of addressing the injustice that brought on the rioting in the first place?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    The issue is that social media shouldn’t mediate what you can say or not n their websites, beyond the usual - like being racist, sexist, overly inflammatory, or saying downright illegal things, such as posting child porn. When you censor such an important public figure, especially on such flimsy grounds, I’d say you’re overstepping your authority. I understand where you’re coming from, but i think Trump is doing his best to be going through this crisis. The Democrats just seek to politicize everything lol.
    A social media platform absolutely should be allowed to have a terms of service and be allowed to censor anything that they deem to have broken said terms of service. Don't like it? Don't use them. Boycott. Find a platform that allows your speech. That's the beauty of CAPITALISM

    HOW can you say that a social media platform shouldn't be allowed to censor, but the government should be allowed to put people in JAIL based on what they say?? Thats the most ass backwards thinking I've ever seen. The 1st ammendment protects your speech from government retaliation. It does not dictate what corporations and companies decide to allow on their platforms. I thought conservatives were all about small government? Yet want the government to dictate to social media platforms how to operate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    It’s immoral at best, at worst it’s dangerous. You could basically say she’s egging the rioters on.
    You are expressing a biased, partisan view of the situation and saying that someone should be jailed for expressing her view. This is no different from someone on the left expressing a biased, partisan view of Trumps tweet, saying that he should be jailed for expressing his view.

    This isn't fuckin North Korea. It's America. We don't put people in jail for expressing their opinion, no matter how dangerous or immoral it may be. And if it happens, it's an injustice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    I’m not aware of it breaking any laws, it’s just completely despicable for someone in her position (or indeed for anyone at all) to be doing that.
    Then why say you think she should be in jail? wtf lmao
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    Her tweet:

    Donald Trump is calling for violence against Black Americans. His advocacy of illegal, state-sponsored killing is horrific. Politicians who refuse to condemn it share responsibility for the consequences.

    Its absurd. Trump is not doing that. Not once did he even mention race. He specifically stated he found the video disturbing and that the rioters were tarnishing the memory of George Floyd. If you watch the townhall video of that protest(the reporters name is Julio Rosas), that (what Warren said) was pretty much similar to what the rioters were saying - except it was directed at the police, not at Trump. What effect does that have other than letting the protesters know that she’s basically okay with it? I’m honestly surprised this kind of shit is happening in America. The democrats were once the centre-left in America: concerned with the working class, the gifted (but poor) and so on. Now they’re basically just Marxists lol. I’m not even a democrat, I just think it’s sad. It paints moderate leftists as social justice warriors when this is really not the case.
    What laws is this breaking? Why does this warrant her being in jail?
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    This is why I shouldn't read these threads. I just can't even right now.
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    I'm not sure I understand this thought process at all

    Why is Trumps speech protected under the 1st amendment, but someone criticizing him is not? And should... GO TO JAIL?? WTF? How is that not a display of completely biased, partisan thinking?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ganelon View Post
    If they start setting buildings ablaze and possibly kill people, something needs to be done. Live rounds might be overdoing it, but beanbags and tasers would be an appropriate response. I don’t want them to arrest a politician for criticizing the tweet, because I think she actually just completely reframed his tweet. I think the fact that people are using this to further their political agenda is deplorable.
    You think that will de-escalate the situation? It will have the opposite effect

    Can you explain exactly why you think Warren should be in jail? I'm not sure I understand your point. What crimes has she committed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SuperJack View Post
    Sounds just like religions ability to get away with all the shit inside their religious books.

    No one should have to say "but he really means this" when reading something a world leader had written.
    Mental gymnastics. See it in mormonism all the time.
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    Why was a journalist arrested today lol

    People crying about "freedom of speech" not being allowed on a social media platform all the time. Pay attention. That's what freedom of speech being infringed is. Not a business deciding what content it doesn't want to allow on its platform.
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    Can the next game start? These discussions are so boring
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    Quote Originally Posted by SCP View Post
    This is flawed logic in a lot of ways, and indicative of very little life experience; considering you're more or less arguing with a slippery-slope fallacy.
    What's the point of a law if it's not to be used?
    The whole premise of the law is to incite a type of self-censorship, and to intimidate those via force to use said pronouns.

    Answer me this: What's the point of said law, if it's not intended to be used eventually?

    Sure no one may have been arrested over it yet, but if the whole point is it's not meant to be used to arrest anyone anyway, then it shouldn't exist in the first place.
    An example demonstrating my point is 'The Patriot Act'.
    No one was against the idea initially because they didn't think it would actually be used against those domestically; however after it existed for some time, no one was arrested under it, and people forgot that it was something passed relatively recently, that they resigned it as being a new reality.

    The whole point I'm making here is that humans are very susceptible to normalization of new horrific realities, given enough exposure, repetition, and conditioning.
    Hence what underlines the whole concept of the 'Stockholm Syndrome'.



    Because there literally is an organized effort to shame europeans out of a culture, and heritage.
    See the statues of famous Europeans being torn down, the revision of history, and current guilt-complex being thrusted unto current-day "white" people, shaming them for "colonizing" and "slavery" that they had no part or benefit from in current day.
    Even the concept of "white privilege" is indicative of this very fact, that "white" people are being shamed for a contrived 'original sin' to otherwise erode cohesion, and promote race-mixing agendas.

    I'm curious (((shill))), how many shekels were you paid for this post?



    Oh it's "your" country now?
    It's ironic and hypocritical that you take this stance.
    You seem to imply disdain those that claim ownership of something, yet do the same yourself.

    Furthermore; stop acting like such a victim, and misrepresenting the state of affairs in the grand scheme of things.
    Objectively speaking: Canada is considered (as a whole) a very leftist country, with laws pertaining to taxation, gun control, social issues, etc...
    You know this just as well as anyone else, but you're attempting to gaslight, and make a mountain over a mole-hole because you KNOW you don't have a leg to stand on to make such a haphazard argument.

    With all due respect, you're a disgrace; you claim to morally grand-stand about "muh objectivity" or "muh critical thinking skills" yet you then betray your emotional stake, and confirmation bias by the hostile connotations therein.
    The cognitive dissonance is so real within your post, if only you took a second to re-read the nonsense you're spewing, you would see you contradict yourself in the very same paragraph.

    I could continue to list the rife hypocrisies within your crude attempt at a point, however I believe I've already made it rather clear how you come off as a triggered, bleeding-heart leftist; as it's already rather apparent without my comments detailing such.

    ./thread
    And he had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them.
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