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[MENTION=30852]Renegade[/MENTION]: <3 <3 <3

I think we were massively helped out by mech and town made most of the correct flips. As I said, you, Lol, Zenon and Gikkle. all GOATs!

I really loved playing with you. I just couldn’t see how town jailor - AC doesn’t die over you and I just didn’t believe Ikarus’ reasoning for his Zenon vote.

He seemed different after Yoshida flip like he was well aware you dying over him looked really suss. I wanted to save Zenon but I didn’t think it was Martin and everyone but me was opposed to skip. I couldn’t push Ikarus because Martin and especially Varcron seemed to be pocketed and I didn’t want to give Ikarus any reason not to jailkeep me and had I said anything about my suspicions, he probably wouldn’t have.

I’d really like to think I could have convinced Martin and got him to listen to me but that’s for him to respond.

I wish Italiano would have lived longer since he signed up because of me.

I just think Martin was really obvious town on that last day and after Ikarus’ shift in play on d6, I no longer tr him. ,

It was extremely emotionally exhausting in lylo and I’m just really glad I was IC.

Love the playerlist and Lol really helped by pushing for Frinckles > Stellaria and especially Yoshida. Flipping Auwt on d2 and Gikkle d3 also definitely helped.

So I think it’s a combined Lol, you, Zen and me + Gikkle that ultimately won this game for us.

I’m just really glad it’s over. Rn, I just need to destress. :S

Thanks to PowerofDeath for running this and finding me on both MU and discord and to everyone on the playerlist. Loved the setup.

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We won!
@Renegade : <3 <3 <3

I think we were massively helped out by mech and town made most of the correct flips. As I said, you, Lol, Zenon and Gikkle. all GOATs!

I really loved playing with you. I just couldn’t see how town jailor - AC doesn’t die over you and I just didn’t believe Ikarus’ reasoning for his Zenon vote.

He seemed different after Yoshida flip like he was well aware you dying over him looked really suss. I wanted to save Zenon but I didn’t think it was Martin and everyone but me was opposed to skip. I couldn’t push Ikarus because Martin and especially Varcron seemed to be pocketed and I didn’t want to give Ikarus any reason not to jailkeep me and had I said anything about my suspicions, he probably wouldn’t have.

I’d really like to think I could have convinced Martin and got him to listen to me but that’s for him to respond.

I wish Italiano would have lived longer since he signed up because of me.

I just think Martin was really obvious town on that last day and after Ikarus’ shift in play on d6, I no longer tr him. ,

It was extremely emotionally exhausting in lylo and I’m just really glad I was IC.

Love the playerlist and Lol really helped by pushing for Frinckles > Stellaria and especially Yoshida. Flipping Auwt on d2 and Gikkle d3 also definitely helped.

So I think it’s a combined Lol, you, Zen and me + Gikkle that ultimately won this game for us.

I’m just really glad it’s over. Rn, I just need to destress.

Thanks to PowerofDeath for running this and finding me on both MU and discord and to everyone on the playerlist. Loved the setup.

[MENTION=3897]powerofdeath[/MENTION], you forgot to mention [MENTION=46456]Zenon[/MENTION].

@powerofdeath , you forgot to mention @Zenon .

[QUOTE=powerofdeath;987555][COLOR=#00FF00]
If all three people agree on ending the day early, reply to this post with green [SIZE=4]YES[/SIZE].[/COLOR]
[COLOR=#FFFFFF]Otherwise day 7 will last 48 as usual.[/COLOR][/QUOTE]

[COLOR=#00ff00]​YES[/COLOR]

Originally Posted by powerofdeath

If all three people agree on ending the day early, reply to this post with green YES.
Otherwise day 7 will last 48 as usual.

​YES

Anyway Ikarus, I think you played a phenomenal game, so you should feel proud.

Anyway Ikarus, I think you played a phenomenal game, so you should feel proud.

Well obviously Martin didn’t but sometimes I’m ridiculously slow and it takes awhile for the blatantly obvious to sink in.

Well obviously Martin didn’t but sometimes I’m ridiculously slow and it takes awhile for the blatantly obvious to sink in.

[QUOTE][I]At this point, I don't care if I die. But it's got to be Ikarus. [b]I'm just gonna call Ikarus and myself the PoE at this point because I don't think it can be deb.[/b][/I][/QUOTE]

Stellaria also slipped with this.

I don’t know how we all missed this until now. Stellaria fucking blatantly scumslipped with this. How did I not realize this until right now?

At this point, I don't care if I die. But it's got to be Ikarus. I'm just gonna call Ikarus and myself the PoE at this point because I don't think it can be deb.

Stellaria also slipped with this.

I don’t know how we all missed this until now. Stellaria fucking blatantly scumslipped with this. How did I not realize this until right now?

I was initially upset that Martin made that post but now I’m actually glad because I still had lingering doubts but I think that response sealed it for me.

I was initially upset that Martin made that post but now I’m actually glad because I still had lingering doubts but I think that response sealed it for me.

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;987610]But having said that, I understand your point. I jailed Nancy because I believed it was the right choice and also to keep my promise, but I could've thought more into it.[/QUOTE]

You’re initial response makes sense as town. It is logical to jail the slot you tr less. But your response sounds like you know we’re both town.

Why would hypothetical town!you knowing what you know now, say this but nothing about you wish you had because game would then be solved?

This response clearly shows you know Martin isn’t scum either.

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

But having said that, I understand your point. I jailed Nancy because I believed it was the right choice and also to keep my promise, but I could've thought more into it.

You’re initial response makes sense as town. It is logical to jail the slot you tr less. But your response sounds like you know we’re both town.

Why would hypothetical town!you knowing what you know now, say this but nothing about you wish you had because game would then be solved?

This response clearly shows you know Martin isn’t scum either.

It can only be the wrong choice either because it’s mylo not lylo or I’m scum which you know isn’t possible and considering that you know I’m clear, I don’t understand fypov, how jking me could possibly be the wrong choice if you’re town, because sorry NOT mylo because Varcron is still clear obviously but if it was Martih, he would then be confiscum here.

I don’t think you’re reaction to this is a townie reaction. n

Town!you would say, I wish I had jk’d Martin because then game would be over, for obvious reasons. Hypothetical town!you jks scum!Martin. Varcron doesn’t die, game is sokved. That’s exactly how I’d expect a toxn jk to have responded to this post.

I actually feel really confident on my vote now. Enough to vote yes eventhough PoD won’t be here until EoD.

It can only be the wrong choice either because it’s mylo not lylo or I’m scum which you know isn’t possible and considering that you know I’m clear, I don’t understand fypov, how jking me could possibly be the wrong choice if you’re town, because sorry NOT mylo because Varcron is still clear obviously but if it was Martih, he would then be confiscum here.

I don’t think you’re reaction to this is a townie reaction. n

Town!you would say, I wish I had jk’d Martin because then game would be over, for obvious reasons. Hypothetical town!you jks scum!Martin. Varcron doesn’t die, game is sokved. That’s exactly how I’d expect a toxn jk to have responded to this post.

I actually feel really confident on my vote now. Enough to vote yes eventhough PoD won’t be here until EoD.

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;987610]But having said that, I understand your point. I jailed Nancy because I believed it was the right choice and also to keep my promise, but I could've thought more into it.[/QUOTE]

It likely would have backfired on you. I have a very low miselim rate. I would have adamantly defended the Ren argument and you changing your mind had 0 bearing on my very clearly sincere attempt to wish to be jked.


However, this post from you is extremely interesting. The fact that you’re seriously reconsidering your decision makes me think that I’m right and it is you.

Because you obviously know I couldn’t have killed Varcron and it’s actually more probably a perspective slip [B]what you [I]didn’t [/I]say[/B], than what you did.

What you ought to have said if it isn’t you is, I wish I had jailed Martin than we would be in mylo right now because of no kill but you leaving that part out, I think is telling.

Had you stood by your decision because obviously I’m town, I might possibly be hqving doubts right now. Do you see how this looks?

Nothing about my “wrong”=take on your alignment, nothing about you jking Martin making this mylo instead of lylo.

Why would town!you have rethought this and neglected to mention the clear implications pf that decision? You are claiming Martin is scum afterall but that thought clearly didn’t occur to you when you made this post.

It reads like “oh shit, maybe I made the wriong choice as scum jk”.

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

But having said that, I understand your point. I jailed Nancy because I believed it was the right choice and also to keep my promise, but I could've thought more into it.

It likely would have backfired on you. I have a very low miselim rate. I would have adamantly defended the Ren argument and you changing your mind had 0 bearing on my very clearly sincere attempt to wish to be jked.


However, this post from you is extremely interesting. The fact that you’re seriously reconsidering your decision makes me think that I’m right and it is you.

Because you obviously know I couldn’t have killed Varcron and it’s actually more probably a perspective slip what you didn’t say, than what you did.

What you ought to have said if it isn’t you is, I wish I had jailed Martin than we would be in mylo right now because of no kill but you leaving that part out, I think is telling.

Had you stood by your decision because obviously I’m town, I might possibly be hqving doubts right now. Do you see how this looks?

Nothing about my “wrong”=take on your alignment, nothing about you jking Martin making this mylo instead of lylo.

Why would town!you have rethought this and neglected to mention the clear implications pf that decision? You are claiming Martin is scum afterall but that thought clearly didn’t occur to you when you made this post.

It reads like “oh shit, maybe I made the wriong choice as scum jk”.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;987619]Oh and if it isn't clear

I do appreciate basically everyone in this game.

Except Clemens. If that was an oliwaz alt then they were never intending to care about the game in the first place.[/QUOTE]

Zenon probably would have fared better had she had that slot from the beginning.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Oh and if it isn't clear

I do appreciate basically everyone in this game.

Except Clemens. If that was an oliwaz alt then they were never intending to care about the game in the first place.

Zenon probably would have fared better had she had that slot from the beginning.

[QUOTE=Zenon;987346]I'm very worried is just actually ikarus. They've set up reasons for why they won't die and played in towny enough way that it always goes me into you or visa versa[/QUOTE]

I stand corrected. I may have thought this before Zenon made this post but she is the first one to actually say it out loud.

Originally Posted by Zenon

I'm very worried is just actually ikarus. They've set up reasons for why they won't die and played in towny enough way that it always goes me into you or visa versa

I stand corrected. I may have thought this before Zenon made this post but she is the first one to actually say it out loud.

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;987586]If you can widen your perspective and not ignore 95% of my posts, I'm willing to engage.

You are entitled to form your own opinion and I welcome to hear them and I'm here to help but I'm not spending what limited time I have just to be told no after I actively tried to engage with you.[/QUOTE]

I have not been ignoring you but I don’t find your arguments persuasive but I do appreciate you nit giving up and throwing in the towel.

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

If you can widen your perspective and not ignore 95% of my posts, I'm willing to engage.

You are entitled to form your own opinion and I welcome to hear them and I'm here to help but I'm not spending what limited time I have just to be told no after I actively tried to engage with you.

I have not been ignoring you but I don’t find your arguments persuasive but I do appreciate you nit giving up and throwing in the towel.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;987622]Spoiler tags are a bit silly on this website because you have the specify the title of the spoiler.

[noparse]
[spoiler= llike this]
[/spoiler]

or

[spoiler= ]
[/spoiler]

The space is important.
[/noparse]

I was able to to show it because the oh-so-wonderful [ noparse] and [ /noparse] commands.[/QUOTE]

[spoiler=]test[/spoiler]

Ah cool, thanks!

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Spoiler tags are a bit silly on this website because you have the specify the title of the spoiler.


[spoiler= llike this]
[/spoiler]

or

[spoiler= ]
[/spoiler]

The space is important.


I was able to to show it because the oh-so-wonderful [ noparse] and [ /noparse] commands.

Spoiler : :

test

Ah cool, thanks!

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;987587]I can take abrasive. I can dismiss downright abusive behaviour (but you wouldn't see that here) but things that frustrate me the most is when someone asks you a series of questions and you take your time to answer them, they keep asking the same question several times and tells you that you gotta do more because 1) they did not read the posts 2) they are so set in their mind that nothing you say will change them, it's like they are asking questions not to seek new information, but simply to ignore them[/QUOTE]

I honestly don’t think that’s what I’ve been doing and I’ve really tried extremely hard to explain what I view as logical contradictions in some of the things you’ve said.

Like sr Martin based on Ren’s reads yet not having that influence your own. I know what your explanation was but it did and still doesn’t make sense to me.

And primarily, when you quoted that “alignment cop” post as a reason to argue as evidence of a frame up, when to me, it doesn’t make logical sense to me that he was doing any such thing in that post.

The issue with the first wasn’t your read on me per say but that you gave it as a reason for Martin hypothetically killing Ren but my point was, that being aware of his reads in such a way ought to have influenced your read on me as well. Granted, this example is much weaker than the other onr but I still didn’t think your take on it made a helluva lot of sense to me.

As for the other, as I already explained, it points to Martin being extremely aware of how powerful your role is and a threat to scum.

I get that your interpretation is that he thinks you should die but he made that post prior to Stellaria being shot by Zenon, so it doesn’t seem like a fair take based on that.

I am - I believe (iirc) the first and only one to even point that out and I did it only today. I was thinking it near EoD yesterday but I thought if I said anything at all about it, you might have tried to push for my getting voted out or not jk me and I didn’t want to risk you not jking me because I strongly believed I needed to be living IC to be taken seriously in this game.

It didn’t occur to me until then because you had been so extremely active up until yesterday but I didn’t feel you really even believed in your Zenon vote and struck me as suddenly being far less engaged than you had previously been.

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

I can take abrasive. I can dismiss downright abusive behaviour (but you wouldn't see that here) but things that frustrate me the most is when someone asks you a series of questions and you take your time to answer them, they keep asking the same question several times and tells you that you gotta do more because 1) they did not read the posts 2) they are so set in their mind that nothing you say will change them, it's like they are asking questions not to seek new information, but simply to ignore them

I honestly don’t think that’s what I’ve been doing and I’ve really tried extremely hard to explain what I view as logical contradictions in some of the things you’ve said.

Like sr Martin based on Ren’s reads yet not having that influence your own. I know what your explanation was but it did and still doesn’t make sense to me.

And primarily, when you quoted that “alignment cop” post as a reason to argue as evidence of a frame up, when to me, it doesn’t make logical sense to me that he was doing any such thing in that post.

The issue with the first wasn’t your read on me per say but that you gave it as a reason for Martin hypothetically killing Ren but my point was, that being aware of his reads in such a way ought to have influenced your read on me as well. Granted, this example is much weaker than the other onr but I still didn’t think your take on it made a helluva lot of sense to me.

As for the other, as I already explained, it points to Martin being extremely aware of how powerful your role is and a threat to scum.

I get that your interpretation is that he thinks you should die but he made that post prior to Stellaria being shot by Zenon, so it doesn’t seem like a fair take based on that.

I am - I believe (iirc) the first and only one to even point that out and I did it only today. I was thinking it near EoD yesterday but I thought if I said anything at all about it, you might have tried to push for my getting voted out or not jk me and I didn’t want to risk you not jking me because I strongly believed I needed to be living IC to be taken seriously in this game.

It didn’t occur to me until then because you had been so extremely active up until yesterday but I didn’t feel you really even believed in your Zenon vote and struck me as suddenly being far less engaged than you had previously been.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;987616]@[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php?u=46531"]Nancy Drew 39[/URL]

I think I need to work on my social skills more, I didn't mean to offend you. I didn't mean to single you out specifically, and should've emphasized more the general idea that everyone in general can unintentionally miscommunicate or hurt others accidentally. In other words, I meant that your behavior was expected of a typical human being imo. I don't think oyu've had any malice nor was this miscommunication a cause of you simply not caring. A bit of further explanation:

IRL I am a person on the autism spectrum (specifically Asperger's Syndrome before it was moved into the spectrum), and that meant that I grew up with developmental difficulties in socializing. This isn't say I am trying to excuse any of my behaviors -- they're not excusable. Hurt is hurt, pain is pain regardless if its excused or not. To quote a line I like to keep in mind "...now nobody intended it, but that's what happened". Since I've had more difficulties than others I've made communicating effectively and understanding effectively one of my focuses in life. Eventually I got preety good at doing that, or at least enough to be fully functional in life with respect to socializing, but I soon discovered that a lot of people take communication for granted. They will make mistakes and this is because communication is actually a challenging thing to do. Its very difficult to get it right for most people, and that includes people who aren't autistic. The best way to avoid that is to not take communication skills for granted, but even so one will still make mistakes here or there just as I have made mistakes to you today.

This overall has taught me that some people will just naturally cause offense and without just trying to instruct the whole world on social interactions (which might as well seem very condescending since people take communication for granted), and so I typically accept what happens and then move on. There's also the whole other side of the coin, in which a person much perceive offense in order to be offended. This has happened to me a few times as well, where I felt offended (and perhaps wrongly so) just because someone used a different wording with the same definitive meaning of a common phrase. Had the used the more common wording, I wouldn't have felt offense in those cases at all, so it feels weird to say I would be offended with a similar wording. Humans are complex beings and in order to make communication happen a lot goes on with the brain and different organs of the body. However Humans can be fallible, and honestly, humans having the ability to even sometimes communicate effectively and without offense is a preety significant evolutionary achievement because so many things had to be evolved in order to make that work.

I don't hold any ill will to you (or anyone else in this game for that matter), and was just trying to communicate to Ikarus that idea. I clearly did not achieve that though when I used you as a topic instead of referring to people in general.

As for wondering about what offenses you've caused to me, I don't really recall anything super specific or significant. Like I said, it was more of a general feel of potential abrasion than anything bad or hurtful to me. I think as far as recent stuff goes its just this:



...Which felt like blaming me? I may have misread that one. The other one I can think of was this snippet from a larger post:



Early into the day I tried to emphasize everyone has played well regardless of who wins here. You stating this kinda felt like you didn't care about that idea as much, and so it made me concerned if you were abrasive. Nobody likes being blamed for a loss, y'know. But I do realize you're a very emotional player and were probably just trying to vent somehow here. I didn't bring it up earlier because I figured it would be best for everyone if I didn't, and just tried to re-emphasize my ideas later.

Both of these "mistakes" though I honestly find other people making accidentally. Heck if I were frustrated at the game myself, I may have even made these messages myself.[/QUOTE]


Sorry, I’m not sure how to do spoiler tags yet.

Anyway, I appreciate what you’ve said here and I can relate. I am also neurodivergent with ADHD, Dyslexia and possibly autism as well. It’s true I’m emotional but I offentimes just speak my mind without being aware that it sometimes needs to be filtered as not to come across abrasive.

Wrt the first example you gave. It read to me that you would have tr Ikarus and sr me had he broke his promise to me and jk’d you, which would obviously had meant we’d autolose here.

Wrt the second: As I am the kingmaker it’s 100% on me to vote correctly here and my point was that if I do mess up, it might have possibly been prevented by us skipping the previous day.

So frmpov, both of these seem to be very logical thought processes but I understand how it comes across like I’m shaming or blaming.

To me, it was just stating facts but it’s 100% on me for expressing those thoughts in such an antagonistic way. I was in a game at lylo and voted wrong and one player pretty much racked me over the coals. In that particular game, the mod gave out really crazy roles and that was a huge part of it.

You did clarify later that you were obviously mistaken in alignment reading that decision from Ikarus but yeah I could have said it better but I hope you can understand why the first post weirded me out and as for the blame thing, it was a pre-emptive attempt to avoid being yelled at in case I screwed up. I no longer think that’s particularity likely to happen and another huge problem for me is a lack of confidence.

Anyway, I’m very glad we had this discussion. :)

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

@Nancy Drew 39

I think I need to work on my social skills more, I didn't mean to offend you. I didn't mean to single you out specifically, and should've emphasized more the general idea that everyone in general can unintentionally miscommunicate or hurt others accidentally. In other words, I meant that your behavior was expected of a typical human being imo. I don't think oyu've had any malice nor was this miscommunication a cause of you simply not caring. A bit of further explanation:

IRL I am a person on the autism spectrum (specifically Asperger's Syndrome before it was moved into the spectrum), and that meant that I grew up with developmental difficulties in socializing. This isn't say I am trying to excuse any of my behaviors -- they're not excusable. Hurt is hurt, pain is pain regardless if its excused or not. To quote a line I like to keep in mind "...now nobody intended it, but that's what happened". Since I've had more difficulties than others I've made communicating effectively and understanding effectively one of my focuses in life. Eventually I got preety good at doing that, or at least enough to be fully functional in life with respect to socializing, but I soon discovered that a lot of people take communication for granted. They will make mistakes and this is because communication is actually a challenging thing to do. Its very difficult to get it right for most people, and that includes people who aren't autistic. The best way to avoid that is to not take communication skills for granted, but even so one will still make mistakes here or there just as I have made mistakes to you today.

This overall has taught me that some people will just naturally cause offense and without just trying to instruct the whole world on social interactions (which might as well seem very condescending since people take communication for granted), and so I typically accept what happens and then move on. There's also the whole other side of the coin, in which a person much perceive offense in order to be offended. This has happened to me a few times as well, where I felt offended (and perhaps wrongly so) just because someone used a different wording with the same definitive meaning of a common phrase. Had the used the more common wording, I wouldn't have felt offense in those cases at all, so it feels weird to say I would be offended with a similar wording. Humans are complex beings and in order to make communication happen a lot goes on with the brain and different organs of the body. However Humans can be fallible, and honestly, humans having the ability to even sometimes communicate effectively and without offense is a preety significant evolutionary achievement because so many things had to be evolved in order to make that work.

I don't hold any ill will to you (or anyone else in this game for that matter), and was just trying to communicate to Ikarus that idea. I clearly did not achieve that though when I used you as a topic instead of referring to people in general.

As for wondering about what offenses you've caused to me, I don't really recall anything super specific or significant. Like I said, it was more of a general feel of potential abrasion than anything bad or hurtful to me. I think as far as recent stuff goes its just this:



...Which felt like blaming me? I may have misread that one. The other one I can think of was this snippet from a larger post:



Early into the day I tried to emphasize everyone has played well regardless of who wins here. You stating this kinda felt like you didn't care about that idea as much, and so it made me concerned if you were abrasive. Nobody likes being blamed for a loss, y'know. But I do realize you're a very emotional player and were probably just trying to vent somehow here. I didn't bring it up earlier because I figured it would be best for everyone if I didn't, and just tried to re-emphasize my ideas later.

Both of these "mistakes" though I honestly find other people making accidentally. Heck if I were frustrated at the game myself, I may have even made these messages myself.

Sorry, I’m not sure how to do spoiler tags yet.

Anyway, I appreciate what you’ve said here and I can relate. I am also neurodivergent with ADHD, Dyslexia and possibly autism as well. It’s true I’m emotional but I offentimes just speak my mind without being aware that it sometimes needs to be filtered as not to come across abrasive.

Wrt the first example you gave. It read to me that you would have tr Ikarus and sr me had he broke his promise to me and jk’d you, which would obviously had meant we’d autolose here.

Wrt the second: As I am the kingmaker it’s 100% on me to vote correctly here and my point was that if I do mess up, it might have possibly been prevented by us skipping the previous day.

So frmpov, both of these seem to be very logical thought processes but I understand how it comes across like I’m shaming or blaming.

To me, it was just stating facts but it’s 100% on me for expressing those thoughts in such an antagonistic way. I was in a game at lylo and voted wrong and one player pretty much racked me over the coals. In that particular game, the mod gave out really crazy roles and that was a huge part of it.

You did clarify later that you were obviously mistaken in alignment reading that decision from Ikarus but yeah I could have said it better but I hope you can understand why the first post weirded me out and as for the blame thing, it was a pre-emptive attempt to avoid being yelled at in case I screwed up. I no longer think that’s particularity likely to happen and another huge problem for me is a lack of confidence.

Anyway, I’m very glad we had this discussion.

I will admit that diplomacy is generally not my strong suit and that and tact are things I do sometimes struggle with and am trying all the time to improve upon. I very rarely mean anything ever hurtful or mean spirited by it however.

So again, very sincere apologies to anyone here I have offended.

I will admit that diplomacy is generally not my strong suit and that and tact are things I do sometimes struggle with and am trying all the time to improve upon. I very rarely mean anything ever hurtful or mean spirited by it however.

So again, very sincere apologies to anyone here I have offended.

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;987584]Yeah you find yourself having perhaps 15-20 min every 5-6 hours, and tell me I have not 'actually done something'. This is quite insulting to hear that I have not done anything since this morning. I've done my best to answer your questions but because you disagreed with everything I have said, apparently I have done nothing. See why I don't want to spend any more time?[/QUOTE]

That isn’t what I’ve said at all.

To be extremely clear:

I thought you did plenty until Yoshida flip and fell off from there. I was specifically referring to d6 and d7 until last night. I was specifically referring to you not looking up posts like Martin has.

I in no way intended that to be an insult. I felt really frustrated because it seemed that you were expecting me to agree with you solely based on your opinion and not much else. I even beseeched you to do more like what Martin has done. I also get tilted when I feel manipulated but I’ll try my best to tone that down. I very much 1000% respect your all around play in this game and you as a player. I do think in general, you have played extremely well and if you’re mafia here - which. (remember I haven’t been able yet to critically analyze any new posts about the game) - I’m still currently leaning that way.

I think you’re in an extremely difficult position here because of mech and I sincerely do empathize with that. I in no way intended anything I said to you to be interpreted as an insult. I hope that makes you feel better. I’m truly sorry my words upset you. That was 100% not my intention
[MENTION=36817]ikarusdk[/MENTION]

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

Yeah you find yourself having perhaps 15-20 min every 5-6 hours, and tell me I have not 'actually done something'. This is quite insulting to hear that I have not done anything since this morning. I've done my best to answer your questions but because you disagreed with everything I have said, apparently I have done nothing. See why I don't want to spend any more time?

That isn’t what I’ve said at all.

To be extremely clear:

I thought you did plenty until Yoshida flip and fell off from there. I was specifically referring to d6 and d7 until last night. I was specifically referring to you not looking up posts like Martin has.

I in no way intended that to be an insult. I felt really frustrated because it seemed that you were expecting me to agree with you solely based on your opinion and not much else. I even beseeched you to do more like what Martin has done. I also get tilted when I feel manipulated but I’ll try my best to tone that down. I very much 1000% respect your all around play in this game and you as a player. I do think in general, you have played extremely well and if you’re mafia here - which. (remember I haven’t been able yet to critically analyze any new posts about the game) - I’m still currently leaning that way.

I think you’re in an extremely difficult position here because of mech and I sincerely do empathize with that. I in no way intended anything I said to you to be interpreted as an insult. I hope that makes you feel better. I’m truly sorry my words upset you. That was 100% not my intention
@ikarusdk

So Martin, please provide examples to me where you feel “I ticked you off” and hopefully I can explain or rectify my behaviour.

Thanks.
[MENTION=21928]MartinGG99[/MENTION]

So Martin, please provide examples to me where you feel “I ticked you off” and hopefully I can explain or rectify my behaviour.

Thanks.
@MartinGG99

I also did say - repeatedly - that I thought Ikarus has played extremely well. What I very much dislike is when I feel manipulated and I will call that out when I think it’s happening and he also brought up Yoshida’s post and that also upset me for the reasons I just explained.

Ftr, I have very much enjoyed playing on this site, this game and the playerlist and am eager to play more games if I am still welcome?

Sorry but that post by Martin kind’ve stings. I appreciate that the intention was to make Ikarus feel better and not upset me but it nevertheless still did. :(

I also did say - repeatedly - that I thought Ikarus has played extremely well. What I very much dislike is when I feel manipulated and I will call that out when I think it’s happening and he also brought up Yoshida’s post and that also upset me for the reasons I just explained.

Ftr, I have very much enjoyed playing on this site, this game and the playerlist and am eager to play more games if I am still welcome?

Sorry but that post by Martin kind’ve stings. I appreciate that the intention was to make Ikarus feel better and not upset me but it nevertheless still did.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;987585]I do wanna say that I've come to learn that Nancy can be a bit abrasive. There's other stuff that ticked me off a bit but given the consistency of their behavior I don't think its intended to be hurtful or anything. It would be nice if they could word things better, but I've grown to learn that its very difficult to change that.

I hope you don't take Nancy's words too harshly Ikarus. You've played really well throughout the game and your team has done so too. You guys while wolfing have to anticipate stuff that is light-years away, because really some of the stuff we're finding on you guys is [B][I]only[/I][/B] because this is the F3 and we know X, Y, and Z. Had it been some other F3, the points that exist today may have not been as apparent or even proven. Not to mention you all had to deal with the pressures of a caroler early on.[/QUOTE]

I just woke up and am really out of it, so will comment on other stuff later.

For now, I just want to say OUCH to this. :(

I wasn’t intending to be abrasive or offend, upset or hurt anyone here. Yoshida called me “emotionally unstable” and nobody said that wasn’t okay. I didn’t make a big deal of it but I did consider it below the belt.

I also don’t think my comment about if Ikarus does something to be remotely abrasive because between the chat and last night when I had made that comment, that was my honest impression, so I don’t see why I should apologize for that?

I am sorry if I hurt/upset/offended anyone in this game. Tbf to me, I was efforting so fucking much here only to have people - well other than Lol, Ren and Zen, not seeing it. When I play this obvtown and I’m still getting incomprehensibly sr, I eventually gets to me because I don’t think everyone was critically reading my posts, play:

For example: continually pointing out that Lol’s plan made the most logical sense. It’s extremely frustrating that people were still sr me. There are lots of other things but since I’m IC, there’s not much point in casing myself obviously but there’s damned good reasons that Lol, Ren and Zen tr me that other people weren’t seeing.

And you need to be “abrasive” to some extent. For example, I grilled both Zenon and Stellaria really hard. It helped Zenon to look more townie and conversely Stellaria more scummy. I still have no idea what they (Stella) meant with the comment that they don’t have to take whatever especially from me. I interpreted maybe because I’m new to the site? No idea.

So unless you can provide specific examples, I don’t really think I’ve done anything wrong.

But it is true, my intentions are extremely rarely intended to hurt anyone but I’m human and get frustrated like everyone else.

But I am working on being calmer but it got really frustrating after awhile, because I thought it was really obvious that my play made no sense as scum and I’m not sorry for pushing people hard. Sometimes that’s necessary to make things happen.

I honestly don’t know what more I can say about this but I would really prefer you give me some specific examples here because to make that comment in general. just kind’ve hurt my feelings without actually helping me to know where I could be improving on. \_0_/

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

I do wanna say that I've come to learn that Nancy can be a bit abrasive. There's other stuff that ticked me off a bit but given the consistency of their behavior I don't think its intended to be hurtful or anything. It would be nice if they could word things better, but I've grown to learn that its very difficult to change that.

I hope you don't take Nancy's words too harshly Ikarus. You've played really well throughout the game and your team has done so too. You guys while wolfing have to anticipate stuff that is light-years away, because really some of the stuff we're finding on you guys is only because this is the F3 and we know X, Y, and Z. Had it been some other F3, the points that exist today may have not been as apparent or even proven. Not to mention you all had to deal with the pressures of a caroler early on.

I just woke up and am really out of it, so will comment on other stuff later.

For now, I just want to say OUCH to this.

I wasn’t intending to be abrasive or offend, upset or hurt anyone here. Yoshida called me “emotionally unstable” and nobody said that wasn’t okay. I didn’t make a big deal of it but I did consider it below the belt.

I also don’t think my comment about if Ikarus does something to be remotely abrasive because between the chat and last night when I had made that comment, that was my honest impression, so I don’t see why I should apologize for that?

I am sorry if I hurt/upset/offended anyone in this game. Tbf to me, I was efforting so fucking much here only to have people - well other than Lol, Ren and Zen, not seeing it. When I play this obvtown and I’m still getting incomprehensibly sr, I eventually gets to me because I don’t think everyone was critically reading my posts, play:

For example: continually pointing out that Lol’s plan made the most logical sense. It’s extremely frustrating that people were still sr me. There are lots of other things but since I’m IC, there’s not much point in casing myself obviously but there’s damned good reasons that Lol, Ren and Zen tr me that other people weren’t seeing.

And you need to be “abrasive” to some extent. For example, I grilled both Zenon and Stellaria really hard. It helped Zenon to look more townie and conversely Stellaria more scummy. I still have no idea what they (Stella) meant with the comment that they don’t have to take whatever especially from me. I interpreted maybe because I’m new to the site? No idea.

So unless you can provide specific examples, I don’t really think I’ve done anything wrong.

But it is true, my intentions are extremely rarely intended to hurt anyone but I’m human and get frustrated like everyone else.

But I am working on being calmer but it got really frustrating after awhile, because I thought it was really obvious that my play made no sense as scum and I’m not sorry for pushing people hard. Sometimes that’s necessary to make things happen.

I honestly don’t know what more I can say about this but I would really prefer you give me some specific examples here because to make that comment in general. just kind’ve hurt my feelings without actually helping me to know where I could be improving on. \_0_/

I’m going to crash soon. Unless Ikarus actually does something, I probably won’t wait until EoD to end the game but I think it’s pretty obvious now.

I’m going to crash soon. Unless Ikarus actually does something, I probably won’t wait until EoD to end the game but I think it’s pretty obvious now.

Prior to Ren failed shot on Gikkle, Frinckles kept saying Gikkle was mafia and would put one of his buddies in the carol.

I don’t think he’d say that if he thought Gikkle was CE but it’s suicidal for scum to hardpush CE like that, so scum thinking Gikkle was town makes more sense and as you pointed out. Stellaria changed their tune after Gikkle flipped CE.

Had Stellaria believed that Gikkle would flip CE, probably wouldn’t have been pushing Ikarus, so it points to thinking he was town.

Prior to Ren failed shot on Gikkle, Frinckles kept saying Gikkle was mafia and would put one of his buddies in the carol.

I don’t think he’d say that if he thought Gikkle was CE but it’s suicidal for scum to hardpush CE like that, so scum thinking Gikkle was town makes more sense and as you pointed out. Stellaria changed their tune after Gikkle flipped CE.

Had Stellaria believed that Gikkle would flip CE, probably wouldn’t have been pushing Ikarus, so it points to thinking he was town.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;987570]This can be summed up as, from Stellaria's perspective:

"I think Gikkle is quite suspicious, but I'm still going to vote Ikarus. If he flips green though then Gikkle was lying about the Carol"

Then, 1 hour and 20 minutes later:



(even later)




Conveniently, Gikkle is Chaos Executioner / non-mafia and gives a potential out for Stellaria to retract and lessen their stance against Ikarusdk.[/QUOTE]

Yeah more evidence that scum thought Gikkle was town. I think they are even later posts where Stellaria kept pushing a Ren/Ikarus team but both scum only voted Ren I think but need to check on that.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

This can be summed up as, from Stellaria's perspective:

"I think Gikkle is quite suspicious, but I'm still going to vote Ikarus. If he flips green though then Gikkle was lying about the Carol"

Then, 1 hour and 20 minutes later:



(even later)




Conveniently, Gikkle is Chaos Executioner / non-mafia and gives a potential out for Stellaria to retract and lessen their stance against Ikarusdk.

Yeah more evidence that scum thought Gikkle was town. I think they are even later posts where Stellaria kept pushing a Ren/Ikarus team but both scum only voted Ren I think but need to check on that.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;987569]Actually, I can.

The fact that Stellaria locks in the vote on Ikarus later, based on their previous suspicions, instead of defending themselves or suspecting Gikkle likely implies that they thought the Carol was real and accurate. Hence they wanted to vote out ikarusdk in order to save themselves. Additionally, if Ikarusdk is actually town in this situation, Stellaria is committing suicide on what they thought was a real Carol that was not messed with.

First quote shows Stellaria locking in on finidng Loldebite as town and Ikarus as mafia. The two quotes after it are some time after it. Its only later does Stellaria realize its possible the Carol was messed with, and then tries to say Ikarus hypothetically could flip town.[/QUOTE]

Also scum perspective slip from Stella here, tr Lol more than themselves. Yeah and Gikkle did say that he thought Frinckles thought he was town.

I think after Gikkle posted the carol, scumteam panicked. Frinckles kept insisting Gikkle was mafia, so I don’t believe scum thought he was CE but post Ren blank shot, Frinckles tried to get towncred for it.

And Stellaria didn’t have much of an opinion on Varcron, Zenon but they were oh so confident on Ikarus.

And pre-carol, stating that Ikarus can’t be scum with Frinckles. There’s nothing that suggests that it’s practically impossible for them to be aligned.

But since we know Stellaria’s scum, pretty damning.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Actually, I can.

The fact that Stellaria locks in the vote on Ikarus later, based on their previous suspicions, instead of defending themselves or suspecting Gikkle likely implies that they thought the Carol was real and accurate. Hence they wanted to vote out ikarusdk in order to save themselves. Additionally, if Ikarusdk is actually town in this situation, Stellaria is committing suicide on what they thought was a real Carol that was not messed with.

First quote shows Stellaria locking in on finidng Loldebite as town and Ikarus as mafia. The two quotes after it are some time after it. Its only later does Stellaria realize its possible the Carol was messed with, and then tries to say Ikarus hypothetically could flip town.

Also scum perspective slip from Stella here, tr Lol more than themselves. Yeah and Gikkle did say that he thought Frinckles thought he was town.

I think after Gikkle posted the carol, scumteam panicked. Frinckles kept insisting Gikkle was mafia, so I don’t believe scum thought he was CE but post Ren blank shot, Frinckles tried to get towncred for it.

And Stellaria didn’t have much of an opinion on Varcron, Zenon but they were oh so confident on Ikarus.

And pre-carol, stating that Ikarus can’t be scum with Frinckles. There’s nothing that suggests that it’s practically impossible for them to be aligned.

But since we know Stellaria’s scum, pretty damning.

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;987564]I've got alot of stuff to do, and if what I've done is not enough to convince you, then I am sorry. I am just not good enough to scum read a perfect town play.[/QUOTE]

You has been doing plenty before Ren nk, that’s why I ignored the mech elephant in the thread initially but your play fell off after that.

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

I've got alot of stuff to do, and if what I've done is not enough to convince you, then I am sorry. I am just not good enough to scum read a perfect town play.

You has been doing plenty before Ren nk, that’s why I ignored the mech elephant in the thread initially but your play fell off after that.

Your argument is that Martin tried to frame you but that post points away from that.

ISO Frinckles and Stellaria. I expected you to quote some posts in chat. I kept checking back but you never followed up and with the sole exception of that one post, you still haven’t.

And if you’re town, you don’t want to pressure me to end the game early, especially since I’m currently voting you. Martin isn’t.

Three players in this game have tried to manipulate me in such a way: Gikkle, Stellaria and now you.

Your argument is that Martin tried to frame you but that post points away from that.

ISO Frinckles and Stellaria. I expected you to quote some posts in chat. I kept checking back but you never followed up and with the sole exception of that one post, you still haven’t.

And if you’re town, you don’t want to pressure me to end the game early, especially since I’m currently voting you. Martin isn’t.

Three players in this game have tried to manipulate me in such a way: Gikkle, Stellaria and now you.

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;987557]You refuse to take in new info and alter your view because you already made up your mind. I've already presented number of 'evidence' but look where it got me. Why would I bother anymore. Look everything you have posted today. It's been a repetition of 'ika why this and that' and i give you explanations then you basically 'no i disagree and in my mind makes no sense so you are scum'. NEVER ONCE have you thought you were wrong (because you have never been wrong right?), or whatever does not make sense makes sense from my pov. So yeah I'm done. If you want to change your mind, then go read everything I posted with a blank slate and you can decide but I refuse to take what limited time i have to repeat bscially the same thing only for you to say no that makes no sense because i disagree.


Just ask the host to allow hammer I want to go to death chat. I'm tired of this back and forth with no success and it's just dragging along.[/QUOTE]

You won’t be going to dead chat because it’s lylo, so don’t even know what you’re talking about here.

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

You refuse to take in new info and alter your view because you already made up your mind. I've already presented number of 'evidence' but look where it got me. Why would I bother anymore. Look everything you have posted today. It's been a repetition of 'ika why this and that' and i give you explanations then you basically 'no i disagree and in my mind makes no sense so you are scum'. NEVER ONCE have you thought you were wrong (because you have never been wrong right?), or whatever does not make sense makes sense from my pov. So yeah I'm done. If you want to change your mind, then go read everything I posted with a blank slate and you can decide but I refuse to take what limited time i have to repeat bscially the same thing only for you to say no that makes no sense because i disagree.


Just ask the host to allow hammer I want to go to death chat. I'm tired of this back and forth with no success and it's just dragging along.

You won’t be going to dead chat because it’s lylo, so don’t even know what you’re talking about here.

I will possibly consider ending the day earlier but Martin says he still has more posts, so I want to read them but Ikarus’ reaction to my vote looks very scummy to me.

I made it clear my vote was in the extremely unlikely case my internet dies and you just freak,out, AtE and berate me, instead of actually DOING something to try to convince me.

Ignoring everything else, I don’t think that reaction is town indicative because it simply isn’t true. And Yoshida was actually doing things but you’re not, so for you to say I’m ignoring evidence here is patently disingenuous on your part.

I will possibly consider ending the day earlier but Martin says he still has more posts, so I want to read them but Ikarus’ reaction to my vote looks very scummy to me.

I made it clear my vote was in the extremely unlikely case my internet dies and you just freak,out, AtE and berate me, instead of actually DOING something to try to convince me.

Ignoring everything else, I don’t think that reaction is town indicative because it simply isn’t true. And Yoshida was actually doing things but you’re not, so for you to say I’m ignoring evidence here is patently disingenuous on your part.

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;987557]You refuse to take in new info and alter your view because you already made up your mind. I've already presented number of 'evidence' but look where it got me. Why would I bother anymore. Look everything you have posted today. It's been a repetition of 'ika why this and that' and i give you explanations then you basically 'no i disagree and in my mind makes no sense so you are scum'. NEVER ONCE have you thought you were wrong (because you have never been wrong right?), or whatever does not make sense makes sense from my pov. So yeah I'm done. If you want to change your mind, then go read everything I posted with a blank slate and you can decide but I refuse to take what limited time i have to repeat bscially the same thing only for you to say no that makes no sense because i disagree.


Just ask the host to allow hammer I want to go to death chat. I'm tired of this back and forth with no success and it's just dragging along.[/QUOTE]

We both know this isn’t true. I specifically asked you to provide this so-called “evidence” you speak of. You just continue to AtE and berate me where as Martin is actually looking up posts.

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

You refuse to take in new info and alter your view because you already made up your mind. I've already presented number of 'evidence' but look where it got me. Why would I bother anymore. Look everything you have posted today. It's been a repetition of 'ika why this and that' and i give you explanations then you basically 'no i disagree and in my mind makes no sense so you are scum'. NEVER ONCE have you thought you were wrong (because you have never been wrong right?), or whatever does not make sense makes sense from my pov. So yeah I'm done. If you want to change your mind, then go read everything I posted with a blank slate and you can decide but I refuse to take what limited time i have to repeat bscially the same thing only for you to say no that makes no sense because i disagree.


Just ask the host to allow hammer I want to go to death chat. I'm tired of this back and forth with no success and it's just dragging along.

We both know this isn’t true. I specifically asked you to provide this so-called “evidence” you speak of. You just continue to AtE and berate me where as Martin is actually looking up posts.

[QUOTE=Nancy Drew 39;987553]Aldo, Martin is scanning the game for other players’ posts and your single post that you referenced, points away from your frame theory and away from Martin being scum.[/QUOTE]

If I’m wrong, show me something other because that’s my opinion. Show me the posts implicating him or something or pointing away from you.

Originally Posted by Nancy Drew 39

Aldo, Martin is scanning the game for other players’ posts and your single post that you referenced, points away from your frame theory and away from Martin being scum.

If I’m wrong, show me something other because that’s my opinion. Show me the posts implicating him or something or pointing away from you.

Aldo, Martin is scanning the game for other players’ posts and your single post that you referenced, points away from your frame theory and away from Martin being scum.

Aldo, Martin is scanning the game for other players’ posts and your single post that you referenced, points away from your frame theory and away from Martin being scum.

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;987543]I don't mind losing the game, because I tried and myabe was not good enough.

[Ate] But I am upset that you just simply refuses to see the truth no matter how evident it is. Yoshida was right. Nancy, I don't think you are the type to have a quite an open mind about things. Once you make up your mind, you simply tunnel too hard into it and everything else becomes blank. You don't read and try to see where I am coming from. You keep asking the same questions I take my time to answer, and in the end you refuse to take them because you 'disagree'. This is why yoshida was angry and now that I'm on the receiving end, I can tell where he was coming from. Hope you can learn a few things after this game ends. I am all finished now. I think it's pointless for me to continue because nothing I say will get into you.[/AtE]

At least I won't be receiving any hard criticism in any future games with Martin.

Honestly though, just park a vote here and ask the host to enable hammer. If the host wants to then he will.

See you both in the post game chat.[/QUOTE]

So my being wrong about Yoshida makes me also wrong on you? What “evidence”?

The evidence points to it being you and if there’s any either pointing away from it being you or towards Martin, you haven’t provided it.

AtE is meaningless here because pretty much all of your arguments amount to: either this nia thing or even town indicative thing point to Martin being scum because you say so.

Change my mind.

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

I don't mind losing the game, because I tried and myabe was not good enough.

[Ate] But I am upset that you just simply refuses to see the truth no matter how evident it is. Yoshida was right. Nancy, I don't think you are the type to have a quite an open mind about things. Once you make up your mind, you simply tunnel too hard into it and everything else becomes blank. You don't read and try to see where I am coming from. You keep asking the same questions I take my time to answer, and in the end you refuse to take them because you 'disagree'. This is why yoshida was angry and now that I'm on the receiving end, I can tell where he was coming from. Hope you can learn a few things after this game ends. I am all finished now. I think it's pointless for me to continue because nothing I say will get into you.[/AtE]

At least I won't be receiving any hard criticism in any future games with Martin.

Honestly though, just park a vote here and ask the host to enable hammer. If the host wants to then he will.

See you both in the post game chat.

So my being wrong about Yoshida makes me also wrong on you? What “evidence”?

The evidence points to it being you and if there’s any either pointing away from it being you or towards Martin, you haven’t provided it.

AtE is meaningless here because pretty much all of your arguments amount to: either this nia thing or even town indicative thing point to Martin being scum because you say so.

Change my mind.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;987547]Yup. Probably. If he had said he would JK you but then actually JK'ed me, there would be a preety significant chance that I vote you out.

I'm sorry if you find that offensive. Part of it is as I've said recently, I have a tendency of not going back on my reads late-game unless there's good substantiation for it. I would be quite disappointed myself if you were scum and I voted out Ikar, and it probably would offend Ikar for me to do that in a F3.

Come to think of it though, you probably would've brought up the Ren kill in which case that kill does make almost the least amount of sense for someone like you to make.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I 1000% kill the jk-cop here, especially in this type of setup where factional kill is an automatic clear for jk’d player.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Yup. Probably. If he had said he would JK you but then actually JK'ed me, there would be a preety significant chance that I vote you out.

I'm sorry if you find that offensive. Part of it is as I've said recently, I have a tendency of not going back on my reads late-game unless there's good substantiation for it. I would be quite disappointed myself if you were scum and I voted out Ikar, and it probably would offend Ikar for me to do that in a F3.

Come to think of it though, you probably would've brought up the Ren kill in which case that kill does make almost the least amount of sense for someone like you to make.

Yeah, I 1000% kill the jk-cop here, especially in this type of setup where factional kill is an automatic clear for jk’d player.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;987542]reading back in Ikar's ISO, it does seem fairly accurate that Ikarus wanted to save Yoshida and actively advocated for that approach of jailing him after Stellaria got shot

I voted Yoshida out because my main worldview was that Yoshida was the 3rd scum. With Stellaria and Frinckles flipped mafia, it seemed to click perfectly that Yoshida was scum based on his play during the Frinckles vs Gikkle battle. Recognizing bomb exists, asking people to shoot the bomb, while Yoshida was (if mafia) a 2nd mafia PR --- giving mafia reason to push Gikkle into the abyss if they want to. The mafia play (wherein the mafia were Frinckles/Yoshida/Stellaria) during that day made a lot of sense if they didn't expect Gikkle to reveal who were the PRs.

If I were mafia though I probably join the "let's white knight Yoshida" group and then kill him as soon as I can after killing a town!Ikarus. Even if I didn't prioritize killing him, It would be quite unlikely, but not impossible, that I would get shot by one of the gifted guns imo.[/QUOTE]

Still don’t understand his plan for saving Yoshida but I just thought it didn’t make a whole lot of sense to me that he wanted to do skip for Yoshida but not Zenon.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

reading back in Ikar's ISO, it does seem fairly accurate that Ikarus wanted to save Yoshida and actively advocated for that approach of jailing him after Stellaria got shot

I voted Yoshida out because my main worldview was that Yoshida was the 3rd scum. With Stellaria and Frinckles flipped mafia, it seemed to click perfectly that Yoshida was scum based on his play during the Frinckles vs Gikkle battle. Recognizing bomb exists, asking people to shoot the bomb, while Yoshida was (if mafia) a 2nd mafia PR --- giving mafia reason to push Gikkle into the abyss if they want to. The mafia play (wherein the mafia were Frinckles/Yoshida/Stellaria) during that day made a lot of sense if they didn't expect Gikkle to reveal who were the PRs.

If I were mafia though I probably join the "let's white knight Yoshida" group and then kill him as soon as I can after killing a town!Ikarus. Even if I didn't prioritize killing him, It would be quite unlikely, but not impossible, that I would get shot by one of the gifted guns imo.

Still don’t understand his plan for saving Yoshida but I just thought it didn’t make a whole lot of sense to me that he wanted to do skip for Yoshida but not Zenon.

[QUOTE=MartinGG99;987537]Sorry if it seems like I'm slacking, but I just didn't have much time. The people I play with have very limited schedules, so the past 8 hours or so was the only time I could play some Heroes Hour with them. Also didn't want to post a lot before that in case you had limited time as well to catch-up and do your own due diligence.

Right now though I literally have nothing to do other than to exist in IRL for the remaining time left in this day phase.

I'll be getting to everything I said I would, including picking whatever quotes I find relevant in Stellaria's ISO that support me.[/QUOTE]

Very much looking forward to this, thanks.

Originally Posted by MartinGG99

Sorry if it seems like I'm slacking, but I just didn't have much time. The people I play with have very limited schedules, so the past 8 hours or so was the only time I could play some Heroes Hour with them. Also didn't want to post a lot before that in case you had limited time as well to catch-up and do your own due diligence.

Right now though I literally have nothing to do other than to exist in IRL for the remaining time left in this day phase.

I'll be getting to everything I said I would, including picking whatever quotes I find relevant in Stellaria's ISO that support me.

Very much looking forward to this, thanks.

[vote]Ikarusdk[/vote]

This vote isn’t locked unless my internet dies or something but a no lim today is an autowin for scum but if this was MU or majority lim, I might take that chance and wait.

-vote Ikarusdk

This vote isn’t locked unless my internet dies or something but a no lim today is an autowin for scum but if this was MU or majority lim, I might take that chance and wait.

I don’t want to lock in my vote until it’s confirmed that it isn’t until EoD tomorrow night but voting Ikarus is where I’m currently leaning.

I just don’t see why you nk Ren > Ikarus.

I think if Ikarus is scum, scumteam misplayed because it would be a lot easier for say Frinckles or Stellaria to explain not being the nk over Ren. Frinckles - being bomb of course and Stellaria being vanilla.

I don’t want to lock in my vote until it’s confirmed that it isn’t until EoD tomorrow night but voting Ikarus is where I’m currently leaning.

I just don’t see why you nk Ren > Ikarus.

I think if Ikarus is scum, scumteam misplayed because it would be a lot easier for say Frinckles or Stellaria to explain not being the nk over Ren. Frinckles - being bomb of course and Stellaria being vanilla.

Yeah, I was leaning to it being Ikarus near EoD yesterday but wasn’t confident on it and his miselim would have been the worst for town.

I would say that I’d probably be hard tr Ikarus had I been jk’d before Ren nk that is until he said that you killed Ren because of his reads but then said he still tr you more. I don’t think that makes logical sense but if scum, he used the chat extremely well.

And now he posts your post as him bring AC as a reason for you to frame him because he didn’t die. That post is a much better argument for you to have nk’d him not frame him.

I think he’s upset because he got essentially screwed by mech, so since this is still plurality and we still have another day. I should probably vote since afaik, votes unlike on MU aren’t locked. And I wouldn’t want to lose the game in case my internet suddenly went out.
[MENTION=3897]powerofdeath[/MENTION], it’s still plurality and votes aren’t locked, correct?

Yeah, I was leaning to it being Ikarus near EoD yesterday but wasn’t confident on it and his miselim would have been the worst for town.

I would say that I’d probably be hard tr Ikarus had I been jk’d before Ren nk that is until he said that you killed Ren because of his reads but then said he still tr you more. I don’t think that makes logical sense but if scum, he used the chat extremely well.

And now he posts your post as him bring AC as a reason for you to frame him because he didn’t die. That post is a much better argument for you to have nk’d him not frame him.

I think he’s upset because he got essentially screwed by mech, so since this is still plurality and we still have another day. I should probably vote since afaik, votes unlike on MU aren’t locked. And I wouldn’t want to lose the game in case my internet suddenly went out.
@powerofdeath , it’s still plurality and votes aren’t locked, correct?

If it is Ikarus and I never checked the vc and town lost due to a bizarro glitch, that would be absolutely wild.

If it is Ikarus and I never checked the vc and town lost due to a bizarro glitch, that would be absolutely wild.

[QUOTE=Nancy Drew 39;987532]
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[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=987459"]MartinGG99[/URL]
[HR][/HR][URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/21928"]MartinGG99 (1): [/URL]
[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=987425"]ikarusdk[/URL]
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[MENTION=21928]MartinGG99[/MENTION] you need to revote.

Originally Posted by Nancy Drew 39

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  MartinGG99 (1):
  ikarusdk

@MartinGG99 you need to revote.

[LIST][URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/45931"]Gikkle (1): [/URL]
[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=987459"]MartinGG99[/URL]
[HR][/HR][URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/member.php/21928"]MartinGG99 (1): [/URL]
[URL="https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php?p=987425"]ikarusdk[/URL]


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[QUOTE=powerofdeath;987519]Tell Martin to change it, I don’t have the power to change anything[/QUOTE]

@Martin, you need to revote Ikarus because rn, the vc has you voting Gikkle.

Originally Posted by powerofdeath

Tell Martin to change it, I don’t have the power to change anything

@Martin, you need to revote Ikarus because rn, the vc has you voting Gikkle.

“scum!mr” was a typo. scum!me.


I read your post as implying you would vote me out over Ikarus, which if you’re town here, we lose. So that kind’ve freaked me out.

“scum!mr” was a typo. scum!me.


I read your post as implying you would vote me out over Ikarus, which if you’re town here, we lose. So that kind’ve freaked me out.

[QUOTE=ikarusdk;987522]Because once he makes it clear that I should be the one who logically DIES

but then I DO NOT till MYLO

town will then obviously lynch the one WHO SHOULD'VE DIED.

You've fallen right into Martin's frame and it's frustrating that you don't see it.[/QUOTE]

I fully expected you to die as did most of the playerlist including Ren. That’s why he pushed you for your jk confirmation.

Yes, you keep saying that but I’m saying your argument doesn’t support frame. It would support you being nk’d.

As the last living pr, I expected you to die since Lol was the previous night’s nk.

I’m sorry but I don’t see how Martin saying you’re an alignment cop supports a frame up of you. Like I pointed out, it could support an nk of you.

Also, Martin hasn’t made any attempt to make this argument. No one did in fact, including Zen. Martin was leaning it towards it being me (in case of Zen townflip) until it was beyond obvious I was absolutely serious about being jk’d.

Originally Posted by ikarusdk

Because once he makes it clear that I should be the one who logically DIES

but then I DO NOT till MYLO

town will then obviously lynch the one WHO SHOULD'VE DIED.

You've fallen right into Martin's frame and it's frustrating that you don't see it.

I fully expected you to die as did most of the playerlist including Ren. That’s why he pushed you for your jk confirmation.

Yes, you keep saying that but I’m saying your argument doesn’t support frame. It would support you being nk’d.

As the last living pr, I expected you to die since Lol was the previous night’s nk.

I’m sorry but I don’t see how Martin saying you’re an alignment cop supports a frame up of you. Like I pointed out, it could support an nk of you.

Also, Martin hasn’t made any attempt to make this argument. No one did in fact, including Zen. Martin was leaning it towards it being me (in case of Zen townflip) until it was beyond obvious I was absolutely serious about being jk’d.

[QUOTE=powerofdeath;987519]Tell Martin to change it, I don’t have the power to change anything[/QUOTE]
[MENTION=21928]MartinGG99[/MENTION], you need to revote Ikarusdk.

I don’t know understand how Martin’s Ikarus’ vote got changed to Gikkle. Maybe Gikkle has some secret power from beyond the grave. :laugh:

Originally Posted by powerofdeath

Tell Martin to change it, I don’t have the power to change anything

@MartinGG99 , you need to revote Ikarusdk.

I don’t know understand how Martin’s Ikarus’ vote got changed to Gikkle. Maybe Gikkle has some secret power from beyond the grave.

[MENTION=6424]ika[/MENTION]usdk waiting on your response to that but that post actually points away from Martin being scum.

@ika usdk waiting on your response to that but that post actually points away from Martin being scum.

Iow, this posts shows that Martin viewed your role post-Yoshida flip as a huge threat to scum but you’re arguing that he’s hyper aware of the threat your role poses but decides instead to kill Ren? Why?

Iow, this posts shows that Martin viewed your role post-Yoshida flip as a huge threat to scum but you’re arguing that he’s hyper aware of the threat your role poses but decides instead to kill Ren? Why?

Eta:Why would scum!Martin make this post an attempt to frame you?


If hypothetical scum!Martin recognizes you as an alignment cop, it makes way more sense for him to kill you rather than frame you.

Had you died, this post would be a point in favour of sr Martin because it shows he was well aware of your role’s power. It really doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to see potential frame up from this post.

Eta:Why would scum!Martin make this post an attempt to frame you?


If hypothetical scum!Martin recognizes you as an alignment cop, it makes way more sense for him to kill you rather than frame you.

Had you died, this post would be a point in favour of sr Martin because it shows he was well aware of your role’s power. It really doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to see potential frame up from this post.