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Hello,
Here is a replay packs of a few griefers I saw in the last few days:

Wuldrick 1-S2-1-7732514 and Hacker 1-S2-1-5992538 spam with vulgarity.

1-S2-1-9951095 Smith is a smurf, spams and pretends to reveal all the roles.

Namegoeshere 1-S2-1-2769863 repetitively names himself "NoTalkLynchMeForInfo" and doesn't talk. In this screenshot, Namegoeshere defends himself by telling that 50% of the time, what he does isn't griefing since 50% of the time, he has an evil role: [url]https://i.imgur.com/2LH5m2F.png[/url]

Hello,
Here is a replay packs of a few griefers I saw in the last few days:

Wuldrick 1-S2-1-7732514 and Hacker 1-S2-1-5992538 spam with vulgarity.

1-S2-1-9951095 Smith is a smurf, spams and pretends to reveal all the roles.

Namegoeshere 1-S2-1-2769863 repetitively names himself "NoTalkLynchMeForInfo" and doesn't talk. In this screenshot, Namegoeshere defends himself by telling that 50% of the time, what he does isn't griefing since 50% of the time, he has an evil role: https://i.imgur.com/2LH5m2F.png

[QUOTE=Frog;502695]
Necroplant is not among them, but now the real Balthy is. Has basically the same bank as the others (including fake balthy)

Permaban x2 recommended

Adding Balthy's acct # after game is over (don't have -real or -mods)

The hacked accts came from real balthy. He is involved.

[/QUOTE]
No. It's a person impersonating members of my clan. I talked with SuperJack about it on skype. By the way Frog, do you know if Tafkal will come back to Mafia one day? The game isn't the same without him...

Originally Posted by Frog

Necroplant is not among them, but now the real Balthy is. Has basically the same bank as the others (including fake balthy)

Permaban x2 recommended

Adding Balthy's acct # after game is over (don't have -real or -mods)

The hacked accts came from real balthy. He is involved.

No. It's a person impersonating members of my clan. I talked with SuperJack about it on skype. By the way Frog, do you know if Tafkal will come back to Mafia one day? The game isn't the same without him...

Do you really think that a summerfag will come here and read your post?

[img]https://i.imgur.com/u6EKyWx.jpg[/img]


Summerfags are the usual type of bad player of mafia. They don't come on the forum before they get banned like me. Most of them don't want to make an effort in order to improve their way of playing. Try to appreciate the game the way it is now because things won't change. You are a Necroplant follower so I am sure that you already can do it. Mafia is not meant to be a "e-sport" game.

Balthy, Tafkal Hit Squad.

Do you really think that a summerfag will come here and read your post?




Summerfags are the usual type of bad player of mafia. They don't come on the forum before they get banned like me. Most of them don't want to make an effort in order to improve their way of playing. Try to appreciate the game the way it is now because things won't change. You are a Necroplant follower so I am sure that you already can do it. Mafia is not meant to be a "e-sport" game.

Balthy, Tafkal Hit Squad.

The moderation is too dangerous. It needs to be stopped before it's too late.

/sign

The moderation is too dangerous. It needs to be stopped before it's too late.

/sign

Wrong video. This one is more adapted.
[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5F8Ejtx5uo&feature=youtu.be&t=4m20s[/url]

Wrong video. This one is more adapted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5F8...utu.be&t=4m20s

[QUOTE=SparkNuts;488702][IMG]https://i.imgur.com/SEmuHzb.jpg?1[/IMG]

RIP Watermelon!![/QUOTE]

This one is so true. I don't think that Watermeloann did anything wrong before playing while high at this forum game.

[QUOTE=DarknessB;488749]If anything Watermelon is the victim of the psychological manipulation of the ones calling for FM role cards. He's very emotionally shaken by this, and he gets a forum ban on top of this. Shame on this victim blaming society.[/QUOTE]

This is a conspiracy. They are everywhere. We need to resist so that they don't control us. No one but Tafkal and his personal hit squad can stop them. If only there was a way to summon back Tafkal to the Sc2Mafia community in order to save us...

Originally Posted by SparkNuts

RIP Watermelon!!

This one is so true. I don't think that Watermeloann did anything wrong before playing while high at this forum game.

Originally Posted by DarknessB

If anything Watermelon is the victim of the psychological manipulation of the ones calling for FM role cards. He's very emotionally shaken by this, and he gets a forum ban on top of this. Shame on this victim blaming society.

This is a conspiracy. They are everywhere. We need to resist so that they don't control us. No one but Tafkal and his personal hit squad can stop them. If only there was a way to summon back Tafkal to the Sc2Mafia community in order to save us...

[QUOTE=Crimson;488411]LOL, is this kid serious? I single handedly ruined FM 3(or was it 4?) and ended up getting keeper status a year later.[/QUOTE]
Welcome to the actual Sc2Mafia community. Everyone is intolerant.

Originally Posted by Crimson

LOL, is this kid serious? I single handedly ruined FM 3(or was it 4?) and ended up getting keeper status a year later.

Welcome to the actual Sc2Mafia community. Everyone is intolerant.

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__q9fsZa5vk[/url]
See you tomorrow Firebringer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__q9fsZa5vk
See you tomorrow Firebringer

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__q9fsZa5vk[/url]

Watermeloann, see you tomorrow.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__q9fsZa5vk

Watermeloann, see you tomorrow.

Account Name: Balthy
Account ID: 1-S2-1-5284583
Your Realm: NA
Approximate Points: 37303

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[url]https://i.imgur.com/46DSg0m.png[/url]

Account Name: Balthy
Account ID: 1-S2-1-5284583
Your Realm: NA
Approximate Points: 37303



https://i.imgur.com/46DSg0m.png

I want GoatseOntheCupboard to become admin!

I want GoatseOntheCupboard to become admin!

[QUOTE=Water;484842]Vs reneta, there is no crime. He's exempt from all the mafia rules. Kick, ban, steam, and harass him at your leisure.

He lynched 2 triad as judge, when I was trying to get my last forger win achievement, which took over 20 games.[/QUOTE]

Why would you harass him, seriously?

Originally Posted by Water

Vs reneta, there is no crime. He's exempt from all the mafia rules. Kick, ban, steam, and harass him at your leisure.

He lynched 2 triad as judge, when I was trying to get my last forger win achievement, which took over 20 games.

Why would you harass him, seriously?

[QUOTE=Brendan;482915]replayssss[/QUOTE]

[url]https://i.imgur.com/U4u7Mb3.png[/url]
[url]https://i.imgur.com/CXA3D9b.png[/url]
[url]https://i.imgur.com/uAGVN2x.png[/url]

I only have replays of BigWood kicking me which isn't that bad if we take my reputation in consideration but I know that BigWood also kick WonsuGlobal, and many others persons who did nothing wrong.

This thread wasn't meant to be the report of an in-game infraction. As a player who is currently banned, 2 accounts on the ban-list and banned 7 times in-game, I am the least legitimate person to do it. I am against over-moderation. My objective is to make BigWood realize that he isn't alone playing of this game. When I saw that many persons complained about my behavior, it made me improve me (much more than any punishment) but may be I was delusional to think that BigWood would react positively to this thread.

[QUOTE=BigWood;482939]Replay, screen shot or other proof, other than your word(which isn't worthy), or it didn't happen. ~Thanks[/QUOTE]
You are the officer of the most active mafia clan and also a "patron". What we blame you is to be awful to many persons by abusing your influence to kick anyone you think isn't worth playing with. Imagine if I did the same when the Tafkal Hit Squad was the most active. You would be the first to cry on the forum about it.
Nothing personal, if you simply calm down with the kicks and ask your clan members to do the same, nobody will complain about you again. I actually like Water and bwcPorscha.


I am angry at Blizzard who created the most unfair kick function possible in public lobbies.

Originally Posted by Brendan

replayssss

https://i.imgur.com/U4u7Mb3.png
https://i.imgur.com/CXA3D9b.png
https://i.imgur.com/uAGVN2x.png

I only have replays of BigWood kicking me which isn't that bad if we take my reputation in consideration but I know that BigWood also kick WonsuGlobal, and many others persons who did nothing wrong.

This thread wasn't meant to be the report of an in-game infraction. As a player who is currently banned, 2 accounts on the ban-list and banned 7 times in-game, I am the least legitimate person to do it. I am against over-moderation. My objective is to make BigWood realize that he isn't alone playing of this game. When I saw that many persons complained about my behavior, it made me improve me (much more than any punishment) but may be I was delusional to think that BigWood would react positively to this thread.

Originally Posted by BigWood

Replay, screen shot or other proof, other than your word(which isn't worthy), or it didn't happen. ~Thanks

You are the officer of the most active mafia clan and also a "patron". What we blame you is to be awful to many persons by abusing your influence to kick anyone you think isn't worth playing with. Imagine if I did the same when the Tafkal Hit Squad was the most active. You would be the first to cry on the forum about it.
Nothing personal, if you simply calm down with the kicks and ask your clan members to do the same, nobody will complain about you again. I actually like Water and bwcPorscha.


I am angry at Blizzard who created the most unfair kick function possible in public lobbies.

1) BigWood kicks anyone anyone he dislikes and that includes a big part of the mafia community.

2) He creates leave trains with his stupid save and then report people for leaving the game. See this thread where he reported half of the lobby: [url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/31460-Multiple-Violators?p=482896#post482896[/url]

3) I tried to understand and discuss with BigWood as I do with every trolls but he never replied to my in-game or forum messages by something other than “fuck you balthy”.

4) BigWood deleted all my posts on the “Fl0w” forum. I know that it's their forum and that they have the right to do it but it show how BigWood respects the freedom of speech...

1) BigWood kicks anyone anyone he dislikes and that includes a big part of the mafia community.

2) He creates leave trains with his stupid save and then report people for leaving the game. See this thread where he reported half of the lobby: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...896#post482896

3) I tried to understand and discuss with BigWood as I do with every trolls but he never replied to my in-game or forum messages by something other than “fuck you balthy”.

4) BigWood deleted all my posts on the “Fl0w” forum. I know that it's their forum and that they have the right to do it but it show how BigWood respects the freedom of speech...

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;482508]All framed targets are also non-mafia
Escort and consort can prove non-SK[/QUOTE]
A wild Witch/Bus driver with no last will/Begulier appears!

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

All framed targets are also non-mafia
Escort and consort can prove non-SK

A wild Witch/Bus driver with no last will/Begulier appears!

I can be wrong but I think that Tafkal Hit Squad members donated more to DR than fl0w members... We have like 3 "benefactors" and some "patron" and "donor".
I remember RagerBeater bragging about how he was supporting DR (He is benefactor) until he got banned.


[QUOTE=thedougler;482329]In a moment of weakness a few years ago I donated a few benjamins to DR (not proud of it, I know). You can imagine my disappointment when instead of using it to buy booze or hot pockets as I had hoped he would, I learned that he instead put it towards the development of Town of Salem. :(

I don't have strong feelings on the whole issue, but I know having this forum might make Yuki or Balthy happy, and I think we deserve the same deal Water got. I nominate Balthy as the Tafkal Hit Squad forum moderator, YukitakaOni-san as his adjutant, and GoatseOntheCupboard as the forum chaplain. All in favor say aye.[/QUOTE]

A simple forum thread is enough. What would you discuss about in a "Tafkal Hit Squad" forum anyway?
"Hello everyone and hail Tafkal, I donated to DR and I got banned in reward. It was fun to play with you but now I am going to play anonymously on a smurf to avoid being kicked from lobbies. Bye lol."

I can be wrong but I think that Tafkal Hit Squad members donated more to DR than fl0w members... We have like 3 "benefactors" and some "patron" and "donor".
I remember RagerBeater bragging about how he was supporting DR (He is benefactor) until he got banned.

Originally Posted by thedougler

In a moment of weakness a few years ago I donated a few benjamins to DR (not proud of it, I know). You can imagine my disappointment when instead of using it to buy booze or hot pockets as I had hoped he would, I learned that he instead put it towards the development of Town of Salem.

I don't have strong feelings on the whole issue, but I know having this forum might make Yuki or Balthy happy, and I think we deserve the same deal Water got. I nominate Balthy as the Tafkal Hit Squad forum moderator, YukitakaOni-san as his adjutant, and GoatseOntheCupboard as the forum chaplain. All in favor say aye.

A simple forum thread is enough. What would you discuss about in a "Tafkal Hit Squad" forum anyway?
"Hello everyone and hail Tafkal, I donated to DR and I got banned in reward. It was fun to play with you but now I am going to play anonymously on a smurf to avoid being kicked from lobbies. Bye lol."

That feel when I will never play Magician...

That feel when I will never play Magician...

The majority of the mafia community is awful and intolerant. They try to kick anyone who doesn't play as it pleases them. It's not a "fl0w VS Tafkal Hit Squad" thing but a reality for any unconventional player. A good example is Pauly who did nothing wrong but is still kicked/insulted by many.

I preferred Mafia when there was no kick function in the lobby or in-game. Now, nobody wants to join the Tafkal Hit Squad, a clan where you get kicked from every lobbies you enter and get persecuted by the moderation.

For the clan "fl0w", don't treat them as if they were a single entity but a bunch of different players. If one of them kicks you, try to discuss with him first.

We need to avoid any "clan war" as much as possible for many reasons:

1) A clan war is a stupid thing. I remember when the Tafkal Hit Squad and [1NSaN5] were the 2 most active clans. The "clan war" event we created only led us to kick each others from lobbies...

2) We , an old clan with 95% of our members banned and/or inactive, simply don't have the manpower and the resources to fight back a clan that is growing like a zerg nest and that is sponsored by the admins of Mafia.

3) Water, the leader of "fl0w" is actually a good person with good attentions even if his clan is clearly not an "elite clan" as he promotes (90% of their members are newbies thinking they are the best of the best of mafia with their <100 games played and their survivor claim as evil when there is no Neutral Benign slot in the role list...)

The majority of the mafia community is awful and intolerant. They try to kick anyone who doesn't play as it pleases them. It's not a "fl0w VS Tafkal Hit Squad" thing but a reality for any unconventional player. A good example is Pauly who did nothing wrong but is still kicked/insulted by many.

I preferred Mafia when there was no kick function in the lobby or in-game. Now, nobody wants to join the Tafkal Hit Squad, a clan where you get kicked from every lobbies you enter and get persecuted by the moderation.

For the clan "fl0w", don't treat them as if they were a single entity but a bunch of different players. If one of them kicks you, try to discuss with him first.

We need to avoid any "clan war" as much as possible for many reasons:

1) A clan war is a stupid thing. I remember when the Tafkal Hit Squad and [1NSaN5] were the 2 most active clans. The "clan war" event we created only led us to kick each others from lobbies...

2) We , an old clan with 95% of our members banned and/or inactive, simply don't have the manpower and the resources to fight back a clan that is growing like a zerg nest and that is sponsored by the admins of Mafia.

3) Water, the leader of "fl0w" is actually a good person with good attentions even if his clan is clearly not an "elite clan" as he promotes (90% of their members are newbies thinking they are the best of the best of mafia with their <100 games played and their survivor claim as evil when there is no Neutral Benign slot in the role list...)

Creating a sub-forum for each clan would take too much space on the site. What clan really needs an entire sub-forum anyway? I am for a "SC2 Mafia Clans" forum with one thread for each clan.

Creating a sub-forum for each clan would take too much space on the site. What clan really needs an entire sub-forum anyway? I am for a "SC2 Mafia Clans" forum with one thread for each clan.

All these ideas are awesome.

The question is if yes or no Dark Revenant cares enough about SC2 Mafia to add new roles. The last major update was long ago...

All these ideas are awesome.

The question is if yes or no Dark Revenant cares enough about SC2 Mafia to add new roles. The last major update was long ago...

[QUOTE=Archangel;481497]my screen displays black as more black. i got a really great screen where i can make the colors pop out if i wanted. specially green color. but yeah that hurts ur eyes after a bit

i should done grey yeah

its sad he ruin games for others.. such a troll xDD.. toxic gamethrower never fun to play with. he should be baned forever on all the accounts. blathy clearly ruining games for others, no fun for any1 at all..
very sad to see this hapen to such nice mafia community players.. i hope somebody can stop him. . oh wel i dont think anyone care though lol xDDD nobody care enough to even try to stop him.[/QUOTE]

xD Too bad. I hate balthy xd. he pointhack and ruin game and no one can stop him lol.. im going to play call of duty becoz u can't be trolled on call of d uty

Originally Posted by Archangel

my screen displays black as more black. i got a really great screen where i can make the colors pop out if i wanted. specially green color. but yeah that hurts ur eyes after a bit

i should done grey yeah

its sad he ruin games for others.. such a troll xDD.. toxic gamethrower never fun to play with. he should be baned forever on all the accounts. blathy clearly ruining games for others, no fun for any1 at all..
very sad to see this hapen to such nice mafia community players.. i hope somebody can stop him. . oh wel i dont think anyone care though lol xDDD nobody care enough to even try to stop him.

xD Too bad. I hate balthy xd. he pointhack and ruin game and no one can stop him lol.. im going to play call of duty becoz u can't be trolled on call of d uty

[QUOTE=MasterNinja;481328]im sorry balthy but really,

once tafkal members starts to recieve bans, they suddenly starts talking on the forum, coinsidence?
once tafkal members where just playing sc2mafia they where never talking in the forums, and once banned starts talking about how great clan tafkal is.

you must realise its just a game, go eat a banana and stop skyping / gamethrowing / kicking ppl for no reason /ruining games and so on, kk thx
cause we already proven you have and multiple tafkal members.
[/QUOTE]

Some persons discover the forum at their first ban. This is my case [url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/28509-Automatically-removed-from-the-game?highlight=balthy[/url]

It is not specific to our clan.

Thank you for your offer but I dislike bananas.

[QUOTE=MasterNinja;481328]
like Yukitaka Oni here, good player and never is with other tafkal members at once usually and is always as nice as ever, you should be proud to have such a nice and legit player like that who is an angel to everyone, in ur clan. so yeah you can still be proud of tafkal
and never gets votekicked either cause people doesn't randomly votekick tafkal members bcus they are tafkal (somethimes tho) but its because they know the person ;p so i think it adds up. never seen yukitaka votekicked ever[/QUOTE]

I am also in love with YukitakaOni, like the rest of this forum.

Originally Posted by MasterNinja

im sorry balthy but really,

once tafkal members starts to recieve bans, they suddenly starts talking on the forum, coinsidence?
once tafkal members where just playing sc2mafia they where never talking in the forums, and once banned starts talking about how great clan tafkal is.

you must realise its just a game, go eat a banana and stop skyping / gamethrowing / kicking ppl for no reason /ruining games and so on, kk thx
cause we already proven you have and multiple tafkal members.

Some persons discover the forum at their first ban. This is my case https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...ghlight=balthy

It is not specific to our clan.

Thank you for your offer but I dislike bananas.

Originally Posted by MasterNinja

like Yukitaka Oni here, good player and never is with other tafkal members at once usually and is always as nice as ever, you should be proud to have such a nice and legit player like that who is an angel to everyone, in ur clan. so yeah you can still be proud of tafkal
and never gets votekicked either cause people doesn't randomly votekick tafkal members bcus they are tafkal (somethimes tho) but its because they know the person ;p so i think it adds up. never seen yukitaka votekicked ever

I am also in love with YukitakaOni, like the rest of this forum.

[url]https://i.imgur.com/1dgkRbT.png[/url]

https://i.imgur.com/1dgkRbT.png

I still have a screenshot of the a private discussion I had with Necroplant where he explained to me how he was a freedom fighter struggling for revenge against the moderation who treated him like shit and of course for justice. He also said that the person(s) who released his personal info was moderator/admin of SC2 Mafia. I won't post this screenshot here since it was private.

Here is another screenshot where he complains about Psyduck harassing his sister on Facebook:
[url]https://i.imgur.com/7H8ndZG.jpg[/url]

Necroplant is the most destructive game ruiner of all time on Mafia. It would be nice to see him again if his method of trolling became less brutal.

"Necroplant: POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE
Necroplant: POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE
Necroplant: POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE
Necroplant: POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE
Necroplant: POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE
Necroplant: POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE

Necroplant: HERE COMES THE LAG LOL

Necroplant: 5 IS FRAMER, 8 IS GODFATHER I AM INTERROGATOR, MAFIA OFFICIALLY GG'D
Necroplant: 5 IS FRAMER, 8 IS GODFATHER I AM INTERROGATOR, MAFIA OFFICIALLY GG'D
Necroplant: 5 IS FRAMER, 8 IS GODFATHER I AM INTERROGATOR, MAFIA OFFICIALLY GG'D
Necroplant: 5 IS FRAMER, 8 IS GODFATHER I AM INTERROGATOR, MAFIA OFFICIALLY GG'D

*Necroplant has left the game*"

I still have a screenshot of the a private discussion I had with Necroplant where he explained to me how he was a freedom fighter struggling for revenge against the moderation who treated him like shit and of course for justice. He also said that the person(s) who released his personal info was moderator/admin of SC2 Mafia. I won't post this screenshot here since it was private.

Here is another screenshot where he complains about Psyduck harassing his sister on Facebook:
https://i.imgur.com/7H8ndZG.jpg

Necroplant is the most destructive game ruiner of all time on Mafia. It would be nice to see him again if his method of trolling became less brutal.

"Necroplant: POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE
Necroplant: POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE
Necroplant: POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE
Necroplant: POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE
Necroplant: POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE
Necroplant: POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE POUTINE

Necroplant: HERE COMES THE LAG LOL

Necroplant: 5 IS FRAMER, 8 IS GODFATHER I AM INTERROGATOR, MAFIA OFFICIALLY GG'D
Necroplant: 5 IS FRAMER, 8 IS GODFATHER I AM INTERROGATOR, MAFIA OFFICIALLY GG'D
Necroplant: 5 IS FRAMER, 8 IS GODFATHER I AM INTERROGATOR, MAFIA OFFICIALLY GG'D
Necroplant: 5 IS FRAMER, 8 IS GODFATHER I AM INTERROGATOR, MAFIA OFFICIALLY GG'D

*Necroplant has left the game*"

This person is not me. I don't know why he uses my identity to play with 3 accounts at the same time.

This person is not me. I don't know why he uses my identity to play with 3 accounts at the same time.

Account Name: Balthy
Account ID: 1-S2-1-6939241
In-Game Name: REAL BALTHY

Account Name: Balthy
Account ID: 1-S2-1-6938722
In-Game Name: FUCKING TAFKAL

Account Name: Balthy
Account ID: 1-S2-1-6936083
In-Game Name: NIGGER

Crimes Committed: Cheating

Your Account Name: Balthy 1-S2-1-6908058
Summary: The same person uses 3 accounts in the same game to cheat. I think that he has more "fake Balthy" accounts but that's the only 3 that I could see in this game.[ATTACH]18359[/ATTACH]

Account Name: Balthy
Account ID: 1-S2-1-6939241
In-Game Name: REAL BALTHY

Account Name: Balthy
Account ID: 1-S2-1-6938722
In-Game Name: FUCKING TAFKAL

Account Name: Balthy
Account ID: 1-S2-1-6936083
In-Game Name: NIGGER

Crimes Committed: Cheating

Your Account Name: Balthy 1-S2-1-6908058
Summary: The same person uses 3 accounts in the same game to cheat. I think that he has more "fake Balthy" accounts but that's the only 3 that I could see in this game.

Randoming is almost always wrong in my opinion. You will be wrong most of the time if you execute all the Doctor claims. When you aren't sure at 80% that someone is evil, you should not kill him. I lost countless games as a Town just because the Jailor was a randomer...

Randoming is almost always wrong in my opinion. You will be wrong most of the time if you execute all the Doctor claims. When you aren't sure at 80% that someone is evil, you should not kill him. I lost countless games as a Town just because the Jailor was a randomer...

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;480929]This has happened since the beginning. If it's not Pauly, it's naming yourself food, colors, power Rangers, ect.
Killing people for names is the perfect way for scum to distract and lead sheep.

I don't think any action should be taken against this.. if we keep trying to control what people say, what people name themselves, strategies people use, and how to vote... then this whole game is pointless and we've become Nazis. That's retarded.

If anything, it's trolling. Trolling isn't punishable.

There is not any reports on this ever and has been going on for years. I don't think this is a problem. Why do you want so many rules?[/QUOTE]
Cryptonic confirmed best admin with this message.
Cryptonic, the clan Tafkal Hit Squad recruit! We need people like you!

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

This has happened since the beginning. If it's not Pauly, it's naming yourself food, colors, power Rangers, ect.
Killing people for names is the perfect way for scum to distract and lead sheep.

I don't think any action should be taken against this.. if we keep trying to control what people say, what people name themselves, strategies people use, and how to vote... then this whole game is pointless and we've become Nazis. That's retarded.

If anything, it's trolling. Trolling isn't punishable.

There is not any reports on this ever and has been going on for years. I don't think this is a problem. Why do you want so many rules?

Cryptonic confirmed best admin with this message.
Cryptonic, the clan Tafkal Hit Squad recruit! We need people like you!

Pauly is an appreciated member of the Stacraft 2 Mafia community with his personality and his original save. There is nothing surprising to see Pauly themed games. It's not even trolling. Themed games will always exist with or without the consent of the moderation.
Karp? Karp!
[url]https://i.imgur.com/5CVfO3F.jpg[/url]

Pauly is an appreciated member of the Stacraft 2 Mafia community with his personality and his original save. There is nothing surprising to see Pauly themed games. It's not even trolling. Themed games will always exist with or without the consent of the moderation.
Karp? Karp!
https://i.imgur.com/5CVfO3F.jpg

I received a "RED" infraction for my last reply. I am probably banned soon. The persecution continue even on the forum...
[url]https://i.imgur.com/R3cXQwp.png[/url]

I received a "RED" infraction for my last reply. I am probably banned soon. The persecution continue even on the forum...
https://i.imgur.com/R3cXQwp.png

[QUOTE=Fire Lord Slaolzin;480762]In the mass report you challenge the ruling on game 6. You do not even mention that there are 5 other reports on you in that thread tied to skyping/OoG and gamethrowing among other things. Yet in that same thread we ignored and did not punish someone suspected of skyping with tafkal. Funny how it's not just being involved with Tafkal that gets one banned...[/QUOTE]

The use of out-of-game communication can't be proven. The fact that some Tafkal Hit Squad members like FireBringer never had problem with the moderation doesn't contradict the fact that many of us have been persecuted by the moderation for no reason.

[QUOTE=Fire Lord Slaolzin;480762]
The kind of people that murder their girlfriends for free breakfast. [/QUOTE]

As the leader of the Tafkal Hit Squad, I often murder my imaginary girlfriend.

[QUOTE=Fire Lord Slaolzin;480762]
You and Tafkal are as disconnected with your own destruction of your experience as the morons that think the United States plans on invading Texas.[/QUOTE]
FREE TEXAS! THE UNITED STATES CONTROLLED BY THE ILLUMINATI WON'T INVADE US WITHOUT US SHOWING RESISTANCE.


[QUOTE=Fire Lord Slaolzin;480762]
One will only get themselves punished via many reports if the replays include obvious fault. As stated on this matter, losing isn't punishable, intentional destruction of the game is. Coast may be out for blood but at the end of the day the decision is made by those that are as objective as possible. And frankly the objective reality is that we do not construct situations, the users give us the evidence themselves. Tafkal specializing in doing so.[/QUOTE]
The fact that there is many reports on someone does not prove that this person is guilty of anything.

[QUOTE=Fire Lord Slaolzin;480762]
If you want a resolution that doesn't end with your punishment, stop actively pursuing punishment. You are a thorn, the trash piece of the rose that any and everyone sees as nothing more than in the way. You are not winning. You won't do anything but waste your time and life trying to ruin an internet game played by people you don't even know for no prize other than being pitied and wiped away.[/QUOTE]
Tafkal never loses. Tafkal always wins.

[QUOTE=Fire Lord Slaolzin;480762]
When Coast quit some weeks ago people wondered how the game would go on without such a notable member of the community. I told them the game would continue without him as it has without many members of staff. Yayap, Ambient, Raptorblaze, Borkbot, Akira, Fred about 9 times, look at the "fallen staff" thread and realize all of those people looked like they had impact at the time and at the end of the day they just simply don't matter anymore. The same will go for myself and everyone on my staff when they finally walk and move on to being nothing but remembered fondly. People have been fighting Mafia for far longer than you, the only difference is that when the trolls walk away it is to be forgotten.

The names change but the players stay the same, the only question that remains is the endless wonder of what the trolls hate more- Mafia or themselves.[/QUOTE]
Us, Tafkal Hit Squad members don't seek fame nor reconnaissance. We are spreading Tafkal's teaching for the greater good of the game.

Originally Posted by Fire Lord Slaolzin

In the mass report you challenge the ruling on game 6. You do not even mention that there are 5 other reports on you in that thread tied to skyping/OoG and gamethrowing among other things. Yet in that same thread we ignored and did not punish someone suspected of skyping with tafkal. Funny how it's not just being involved with Tafkal that gets one banned...

The use of out-of-game communication can't be proven. The fact that some Tafkal Hit Squad members like FireBringer never had problem with the moderation doesn't contradict the fact that many of us have been persecuted by the moderation for no reason.

Originally Posted by Fire Lord Slaolzin

The kind of people that murder their girlfriends for free breakfast.

As the leader of the Tafkal Hit Squad, I often murder my imaginary girlfriend.

Originally Posted by Fire Lord Slaolzin

You and Tafkal are as disconnected with your own destruction of your experience as the morons that think the United States plans on invading Texas.

FREE TEXAS! THE UNITED STATES CONTROLLED BY THE ILLUMINATI WON'T INVADE US WITHOUT US SHOWING RESISTANCE.

Originally Posted by Fire Lord Slaolzin

One will only get themselves punished via many reports if the replays include obvious fault. As stated on this matter, losing isn't punishable, intentional destruction of the game is. Coast may be out for blood but at the end of the day the decision is made by those that are as objective as possible. And frankly the objective reality is that we do not construct situations, the users give us the evidence themselves. Tafkal specializing in doing so.

The fact that there is many reports on someone does not prove that this person is guilty of anything.

Originally Posted by Fire Lord Slaolzin

If you want a resolution that doesn't end with your punishment, stop actively pursuing punishment. You are a thorn, the trash piece of the rose that any and everyone sees as nothing more than in the way. You are not winning. You won't do anything but waste your time and life trying to ruin an internet game played by people you don't even know for no prize other than being pitied and wiped away.

Tafkal never loses. Tafkal always wins.

Originally Posted by Fire Lord Slaolzin

When Coast quit some weeks ago people wondered how the game would go on without such a notable member of the community. I told them the game would continue without him as it has without many members of staff. Yayap, Ambient, Raptorblaze, Borkbot, Akira, Fred about 9 times, look at the "fallen staff" thread and realize all of those people looked like they had impact at the time and at the end of the day they just simply don't matter anymore. The same will go for myself and everyone on my staff when they finally walk and move on to being nothing but remembered fondly. People have been fighting Mafia for far longer than you, the only difference is that when the trolls walk away it is to be forgotten.

The names change but the players stay the same, the only question that remains is the endless wonder of what the trolls hate more- Mafia or themselves.

Us, Tafkal Hit Squad members don't seek fame nor reconnaissance. We are spreading Tafkal's teaching for the greater good of the game.

[QUOTE=thedougler;480712]I knew bruno and arch were furries. If the mods had any sense of propriety they would lock this thread before the yiffing commences.[/QUOTE]
After all the effort we made to make a good manifesto, I would be disgusted if the moderation locked this thread...

Originally Posted by thedougler

I knew bruno and arch were furries. If the mods had any sense of propriety they would lock this thread before the yiffing commences.

After all the effort we made to make a good manifesto, I would be disgusted if the moderation locked this thread...

[QUOTE=Raptorblaze;480385]OK I AM GOING TO END THIS DEBATE.

Town: All town members are capable of throwing.

Mafia: All mafia members are capable of throwing (however if in night chat all living team members agree to surrender then it's considered "ok" though this never happens)

"Independent" Neutrals: Cannot Gamethrow, under any circumstances. Multiple SKs do not matter, they are still all separate and independent players. The same goes for witches, arsonists, amnesiacs, survivors, mass murderers, and jesters. As a special note only because we get a stupid amount of reports on this, witches CANNOT gamethrow by causing the mafia to lose. They are not mafia team members and have no expectation of aiding the mafia if they do not wish to.

"Team" Neutrals: aka Cultists + Witch Doctor, are capable of gamethrowing. Similarly to mafia they can all agree to surrender in night chat if they so choose. I should note that 1 living member means he can decide to surrender on his own.

That should clarify everything.

-Side note-
Whether or not you game throw is evaluated based on your role at the time of your actions. That statement may sound confusing but it's really quite simple, you must play to aid the team you are currently a member of. An example of a violation of this would be a vigilante making a deal with the cultists: he will kill off the major town power roles and when he is out of bullets the cultists will recruit him. DOING THIS IS STILL GAMETHROWING IF TOWN LOSES AND GRIEFING IF THEY PULL OFF A WIN REGARDLESS OF THE VIGILANTE WINNING.

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Edit: Clarification of why neutral independents can "gamethrow" without punishment. "Teams" are allowed to agree to surrender, and each neutral role is considered it's own one man "team" thus any decision to lose is the entire "team" automatically agreeing to surrender. The only time this is not the case is with town, due to their team not possessing a night chat. Each player on town is expected to attempt to win at all times if there is any hope of winning.

Double Edit: While I'd probably go easy on you if you negated someone's gamethrow...don't bother. [/QUOTE]

Saying that non-cult neutrals can gamethrow seems like ignorance at first.

But rules can be interpreted like law.

For example, the rule: "Play to your role's win condition", literally every mistakes anyone makes can be considered as gamethrowing.

There is also this rule: "No using out-of-game communication to cheat" No one can prove that someone skype during a game. Every suspicious behaviors are a bannable offense.

[QUOTE=nopro;480393]Good question. As Mentar already mentioned the official definition of gamethrowing is working against your win condition. If you act like a jester as SK and use some sort of WIFOM tactic it is ok. However most of the players who reveal as sk have no intention to win and it isn't easy for keepers to distinguish between WIFOM and gamethrowing. If you work with a team (cult/mafia) and plan to do something in the "grey area" speak with your team about your plans first.[/QUOTE]

Talking about your strategy in the mafia chat when there can be a Spy would be considered as gamethrowing if your definition of gamethrowing was applied.

Originally Posted by Raptorblaze

OK I AM GOING TO END THIS DEBATE.

Town: All town members are capable of throwing.

Mafia: All mafia members are capable of throwing (however if in night chat all living team members agree to surrender then it's considered "ok" though this never happens)

"Independent" Neutrals: Cannot Gamethrow, under any circumstances. Multiple SKs do not matter, they are still all separate and independent players. The same goes for witches, arsonists, amnesiacs, survivors, mass murderers, and jesters. As a special note only because we get a stupid amount of reports on this, witches CANNOT gamethrow by causing the mafia to lose. They are not mafia team members and have no expectation of aiding the mafia if they do not wish to.

"Team" Neutrals: aka Cultists + Witch Doctor, are capable of gamethrowing. Similarly to mafia they can all agree to surrender in night chat if they so choose. I should note that 1 living member means he can decide to surrender on his own.

That should clarify everything.

-Side note-
Whether or not you game throw is evaluated based on your role at the time of your actions. That statement may sound confusing but it's really quite simple, you must play to aid the team you are currently a member of. An example of a violation of this would be a vigilante making a deal with the cultists: he will kill off the major town power roles and when he is out of bullets the cultists will recruit him. DOING THIS IS STILL GAMETHROWING IF TOWN LOSES AND GRIEFING IF THEY PULL OFF A WIN REGARDLESS OF THE VIGILANTE WINNING.



Edit: Clarification of why neutral independents can "gamethrow" without punishment. "Teams" are allowed to agree to surrender, and each neutral role is considered it's own one man "team" thus any decision to lose is the entire "team" automatically agreeing to surrender. The only time this is not the case is with town, due to their team not possessing a night chat. Each player on town is expected to attempt to win at all times if there is any hope of winning.

Double Edit: While I'd probably go easy on you if you negated someone's gamethrow...don't bother.

Saying that non-cult neutrals can gamethrow seems like ignorance at first.

But rules can be interpreted like law.

For example, the rule: "Play to your role's win condition", literally every mistakes anyone makes can be considered as gamethrowing.

There is also this rule: "No using out-of-game communication to cheat" No one can prove that someone skype during a game. Every suspicious behaviors are a bannable offense.

Originally Posted by nopro

Good question. As Mentar already mentioned the official definition of gamethrowing is working against your win condition. If you act like a jester as SK and use some sort of WIFOM tactic it is ok. However most of the players who reveal as sk have no intention to win and it isn't easy for keepers to distinguish between WIFOM and gamethrowing. If you work with a team (cult/mafia) and plan to do something in the "grey area" speak with your team about your plans first.

Talking about your strategy in the mafia chat when there can be a Spy would be considered as gamethrowing if your definition of gamethrowing was applied.

[QUOTE=thedougler;480290]What would really help in preventing players like myself or Balthy from "stepping over the line" would be to let us know in-game whenever we are watch-listed. I can understand why that will never happen (the sheer amount of extra work it would create for the staff would probably make it unviable, map updates are themselves too infrequent to make much difference, etc.), but even for someone like myself who regularly checks the forums and reports, I had no idea I was on the verge of a ban, and virtually no time to adjust my play-style to suit the staff's wishes. Within the span of two weeks or so from the end of March to early April, I very quickly went from learning that I was watch-listed for a minor offense, to being smacked in the face with a x100 ban (later revised to x12).
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The problem is not that the moderation isn't clear enough. The problem is that the moderation is only good for one thing: depriving players that does not please them from their points and accounts.

Originally Posted by thedougler

What would really help in preventing players like myself or Balthy from "stepping over the line" would be to let us know in-game whenever we are watch-listed. I can understand why that will never happen (the sheer amount of extra work it would create for the staff would probably make it unviable, map updates are themselves too infrequent to make much difference, etc.), but even for someone like myself who regularly checks the forums and reports, I had no idea I was on the verge of a ban, and virtually no time to adjust my play-style to suit the staff's wishes. Within the span of two weeks or so from the end of March to early April, I very quickly went from learning that I was watch-listed for a minor offense, to being smacked in the face with a x100 ban (later revised to x12).

The problem is not that the moderation isn't clear enough. The problem is that the moderation is only good for one thing: depriving players that does not please them from their points and accounts.

The fact that SC2's arcade is free is a blessing for all of us. Players with a Free to Play account represent 50% of the Mafia community. If they did not exist, mafia would be a totally dead game at European hours. Players that happen to be banned are also often the most creative and interesting to play with.
Have you heard about Tafkal, the most awesome professional Mafia player? He plays on a Free to Play account.
You complain about the F2P accounts now but what will you do if you are banned and you want to continue playing Mafia? It can happen to anyone who play a lot.


You complain about how bad players are on NA but if they were all good, you would be the first to stop playing because it's too hard to win as evil... "The game is too serious and stressful. I just want to have fun.." exactly like the ladder of Starcraft 2 HOTS.

The fact that SC2's arcade is free is a blessing for all of us. Players with a Free to Play account represent 50% of the Mafia community. If they did not exist, mafia would be a totally dead game at European hours. Players that happen to be banned are also often the most creative and interesting to play with.
Have you heard about Tafkal, the most awesome professional Mafia player? He plays on a Free to Play account.
You complain about the F2P accounts now but what will you do if you are banned and you want to continue playing Mafia? It can happen to anyone who play a lot.


You complain about how bad players are on NA but if they were all good, you would be the first to stop playing because it's too hard to win as evil... "The game is too serious and stressful. I just want to have fun.." exactly like the ladder of Starcraft 2 HOTS.

The banlist is now updated... [url]https://i.imgur.com/in56rQx.png[/url]
Time to play on my smurf!

The banlist is now updated... https://i.imgur.com/in56rQx.png
Time to play on my smurf!

[QUOTE=Damus_Graves;479837]Now granted, I don't know much about this situation between your clan and the other staff members. But the wording you use here makes it seem like anyone who makes one mistake is doomed to be banned.

That is flagrantly inaccurate.

You have over five reports on you for nearly the same things multiple times. I don't understand how anyone misunderstands the report processes as badly as they get misunderstood, considering it is written down in plain black and white. If you need a refresher course on what the punishment scale is all about I suggest that you reread this thread: [url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/announcement.php?f=6[/url][/QUOTE]

Where are the "over five reports" on me? Can I read them? Can I discuss about it? Are they as wrong as this one [url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/30464-Balthy-1-S2-1-5284583-TheDougler-1-S2-1-2956484-fafa-1-S2-1-6752693-ToGoodForYou-1-S2-1-4088605[/url] ?

Originally Posted by Damus_Graves

Now granted, I don't know much about this situation between your clan and the other staff members. But the wording you use here makes it seem like anyone who makes one mistake is doomed to be banned.

That is flagrantly inaccurate.

You have over five reports on you for nearly the same things multiple times. I don't understand how anyone misunderstands the report processes as badly as they get misunderstood, considering it is written down in plain black and white. If you need a refresher course on what the punishment scale is all about I suggest that you reread this thread: https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/announcement.php?f=6

Where are the "over five reports" on me? Can I read them? Can I discuss about it? Are they as wrong as this one https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...1-S2-1-4088605 ?

If we suppose that there is no way to know for sure who is the evil, there is still 2 methods that can help you to determine who is who.

1) Using the Role List, the Expected Count and the Graveyard, you can determine that one of them is more likely to be lying on his role. I observed Tafkal using this stategy to find a very good Godfather who claimed Sheriff and outed his own team mate to have a solid defense. Isn't Takal fantastic? I am not asking, I already know that he is...

2) By checking the voting patterns: A noob Mafia player would never vote to put on trial a team mate.
There is 2 players A and B. B did not vote to put a Mafia while A did. So B has more chance to be a mafia. RainHeaven of the Tafkal Hit Squad (Yes, your clan mate!) taught me this strategy long time ago.


About the pressure you feel when the destiny of the Town is in your hands and that you are representing our clan, just play more and you will become accustomed to it.

Balthy, your dear clan leader

If we suppose that there is no way to know for sure who is the evil, there is still 2 methods that can help you to determine who is who.

1) Using the Role List, the Expected Count and the Graveyard, you can determine that one of them is more likely to be lying on his role. I observed Tafkal using this stategy to find a very good Godfather who claimed Sheriff and outed his own team mate to have a solid defense. Isn't Takal fantastic? I am not asking, I already know that he is...

2) By checking the voting patterns: A noob Mafia player would never vote to put on trial a team mate.
There is 2 players A and B. B did not vote to put a Mafia while A did. So B has more chance to be a mafia. RainHeaven of the Tafkal Hit Squad (Yes, your clan mate!) taught me this strategy long time ago.


About the pressure you feel when the destiny of the Town is in your hands and that you are representing our clan, just play more and you will become accustomed to it.

Balthy, your dear clan leader

I tried do defend myself here [url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/30464-Balthy-1-S2-1-5284583-TheDougler-1-S2-1-2956484-fafa-1-S2-1-6752693-ToGoodForYou-1-S2-1-4088605[/url] but it seems pointless because anyone who makes a mistake can be considered a gamethrower and anyone who wins a game can be considered a "skyper/cheater".

I don't know if I will ever be unbanned. I will continue to defend our clan's honor and mine though.
I recommend to our clan members who was unfairly punished that they also defend themselves on the forum as I do.
This thread [url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/30697-Tafkal-Hit-Squad-and-the-recent-events[/url] is closed so I post my message here...

Balthy, Tafkal Hit Squad

I tried do defend myself here https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...1-S2-1-4088605 but it seems pointless because anyone who makes a mistake can be considered a gamethrower and anyone who wins a game can be considered a "skyper/cheater".

I don't know if I will ever be unbanned. I will continue to defend our clan's honor and mine though.
I recommend to our clan members who was unfairly punished that they also defend themselves on the forum as I do.
This thread https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...-recent-events is closed so I post my message here...

Balthy, Tafkal Hit Squad

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;479713]Disclaimer: I didn't read your whole post or what was said before or after the comment about me yet.


I actually only named myself "Hakunamatata, Tafkal Hit Squad" [I]once [/I]and preferred Jester and Veteran, it wasn't "often". But I do agree that the name you choose is not punishable, but I don't think you were punished for that lol.
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I remember you choosing this name at least 2-3 times. I am happy to read a second time from you that choosing my name isn't punishable.

[QUOTE=Cryptonic;479713]There is literally a replay where you and your clan all leave on the last day while ALIVE, giving the SK (another Tafkal member) his SK win. So, there is definitely collaboration going on. You couldn't have known your clan member was SK (and if you did, you should pursue it), and you never gave a signal to the other Tafkal Town members to leave the game inside the game (yet they followed you).
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I don't know what replay you are talking about so I can't respond precisely about it. But no, I would never leave a game in order to make a clan mate get his win.

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

Disclaimer: I didn't read your whole post or what was said before or after the comment about me yet.


I actually only named myself "Hakunamatata, Tafkal Hit Squad" once and preferred Jester and Veteran, it wasn't "often". But I do agree that the name you choose is not punishable, but I don't think you were punished for that lol.

I remember you choosing this name at least 2-3 times. I am happy to read a second time from you that choosing my name isn't punishable.

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

There is literally a replay where you and your clan all leave on the last day while ALIVE, giving the SK (another Tafkal member) his SK win. So, there is definitely collaboration going on. You couldn't have known your clan member was SK (and if you did, you should pursue it), and you never gave a signal to the other Tafkal Town members to leave the game inside the game (yet they followed you).

I don't know what replay you are talking about so I can't respond precisely about it. But no, I would never leave a game in order to make a clan mate get his win.

I just watched the 2 replays and I am going to answer point by point to everything I am accused of.


1) For the accusation of gamethrowing:
Replay "Evidence":
I went AFK when I saw that Fafa gamethrew. Fafa is a Tafkal follower and gamethrew in his name by copying our "Tafkal is life. Tafkal is love." thing but he is not a member of our clan, the Tafkal Hit Squad. I already said on this forum that I am against gamethrowing especially when it is done repeatedly with no class. This is not idle talk. I kicked Spigot from our clan for this reason.

Replay "Evidence 2":
Lynching 14 was clearly not gamethrowing for 2 reasons:
1. 14 changed his claim. He first claimed Doctor in jail night 1 then Sheriff day 2.
2. I was Jailor and I jailed 14. There was no mafia kill in the night 1 so he was most likely Godfather in my point of view.


2) For the accusation of name abusing:
If you reproach me that I name myself "Akemi Homura, Tafkal Hit Squad", then I am going to answer by quoting a fellow "gamethrower cheater that should be Perma Banned" that is Cryptonic who often name himself "Hakunamatata, Tafkal Hit Squad".
[QUOTE=Cryptonic;479669]Naming yourself Tafkal isn't a punishable offence.
Neither is trolling.[/QUOTE]
[url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/28822-Balthy-1-S2-1-5284583?highlight=Balthy[/url]

3) For the accusation of skyping and cheating:
There is no proof beside the intuition of some people. None of these replays show us working in team. Even Firebringer recognizes it. I received messages of support from players like Sparknuts who has nothing to do with our clan but who agree with me on this point.

4) For the accusation of abusing the kick-function:
I try to kick anyone who try to kick anyone I like. I am not abusing this function unless defending yourself or the ones I like is considered as an abuse.


It's clear in these replay that TheDougler, ToGoodForYou, NinjaClone an PeterSlee biggest crimes was to be members of the Tafkal Hit Squad.

Instead of doing reports like this, the moderation could just say "We will ban anyone we dislike whatever the reason.".

Balthy, Tafkal Hit Squad

I just watched the 2 replays and I am going to answer point by point to everything I am accused of.


1) For the accusation of gamethrowing:
Replay "Evidence":
I went AFK when I saw that Fafa gamethrew. Fafa is a Tafkal follower and gamethrew in his name by copying our "Tafkal is life. Tafkal is love." thing but he is not a member of our clan, the Tafkal Hit Squad. I already said on this forum that I am against gamethrowing especially when it is done repeatedly with no class. This is not idle talk. I kicked Spigot from our clan for this reason.

Replay "Evidence 2":
Lynching 14 was clearly not gamethrowing for 2 reasons:
1. 14 changed his claim. He first claimed Doctor in jail night 1 then Sheriff day 2.
2. I was Jailor and I jailed 14. There was no mafia kill in the night 1 so he was most likely Godfather in my point of view.


2) For the accusation of name abusing:
If you reproach me that I name myself "Akemi Homura, Tafkal Hit Squad", then I am going to answer by quoting a fellow "gamethrower cheater that should be Perma Banned" that is Cryptonic who often name himself "Hakunamatata, Tafkal Hit Squad".

Originally Posted by Cryptonic

Naming yourself Tafkal isn't a punishable offence.
Neither is trolling.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...ghlight=Balthy

3) For the accusation of skyping and cheating:
There is no proof beside the intuition of some people. None of these replays show us working in team. Even Firebringer recognizes it. I received messages of support from players like Sparknuts who has nothing to do with our clan but who agree with me on this point.

4) For the accusation of abusing the kick-function:
I try to kick anyone who try to kick anyone I like. I am not abusing this function unless defending yourself or the ones I like is considered as an abuse.


It's clear in these replay that TheDougler, ToGoodForYou, NinjaClone an PeterSlee biggest crimes was to be members of the Tafkal Hit Squad.

Instead of doing reports like this, the moderation could just say "We will ban anyone we dislike whatever the reason.".

Balthy, Tafkal Hit Squad

[QUOTE=Helz;479527]

Good riddance[/QUOTE]
That's not very nice.

Originally Posted by Helz

Good riddance

That's not very nice.

There appears to be great confusion among the SC2 Mafia userbase as to what it means to be a member of the Tafkal Hit Squad. Our own clan members are at times confused about what enlistment in Tafkal’s personal legion entails. Tafkal is the #1 professional player of SC2 Mafia worldwide, and though being a part of his clan confers privileges and prestige on players, they come with a great responsibility to the community that made Tafkal and his legendary exploits possible. As much as possible, our goal is to give back as much as we have taken from this game. What follows are the principles by which the Tafkal Hit Squad solemnly promises to abide:


1. Tafkal was banned for our sins. Tafkal is a wonder of the universe. Tafkal is the leader of the Town. Say it once, say it a million times. If you can’t say those words, or if they have no visceral impact upon you, then you can never join this clan. Never forget that this clan is about the man who rose above the level of petty trolling and passed into legend. Tafkal is love. Tafkal is life. Tafkal is the most important thing in my life.

2. Have fun, and never forget that you are only playing a game which even its creator, DarkRevenant, has all but forgotten about. Only active players can be members of our clan. If you spend more time on the forums than you do in the game, then the Tafkal Hit Squad is not for you. We seek to revitalize this game and bring it back to the spot on the top 10 list it so rightfully deserves.

3. Help new players and make them feel at home. New players are the key to this game’s future. Without them, the community will stagnate and die. The Tafkal Hit Squad welcomes new players with the same eagerness we do Mafia veterans of 5 years. There are no distinctions once you display our tag. All members of Tafkal’s family are equals.

4. “Play the fucking objective.” Outright gamethrowing and cheating are not tolerated by the Tafkal Hit Squad.

5. Do not antagonize those who hate us for our convictions. Pity them, and kill them with kindness. Some of those who once opposed our clan are now ardent believers of Tafkal’s message. Do not respond to kick-voting with kick-voting. We will catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

6. Don’t sweat the small stuff. Remember that it’s only a game (see entry 2), and your goal is to have fun. Pursuant to that goal, the Tafkal Hit Squad encourages you to ignore minor rule-breaking that does not directly impact your enjoyment of the game. If you find yourself reporting something like light trolling, “offensive” language, point-hacking, leaving, etc., stop and ask yourself if there are better ways you could be enjoying your time.

7. The Tafkal Hit Squad is a movement of nonviolent resistance persecuted by the moderation. We are banned for our ideas. Each unjustified and arbitrary ban against our accounts is a victory proving that our struggle is rightful.

8. The Tafkal Hit Squad isn't a mindless witch-hunt against the moderators. We are not fighting persons but the system. There are even moderators that we like such as PQRnHack, former member of the Tafkal Hit Squad.


Co-written by TheDougler and Balthy.


Link to the Steam group so you can join us: (It's free and fast to create a Steam account if you don't have one.)
[url]https://steamcommunity.com/groups/TafkalHitSquad[/url]

There appears to be great confusion among the SC2 Mafia userbase as to what it means to be a member of the Tafkal Hit Squad. Our own clan members are at times confused about what enlistment in Tafkal’s personal legion entails. Tafkal is the #1 professional player of SC2 Mafia worldwide, and though being a part of his clan confers privileges and prestige on players, they come with a great responsibility to the community that made Tafkal and his legendary exploits possible. As much as possible, our goal is to give back as much as we have taken from this game. What follows are the principles by which the Tafkal Hit Squad solemnly promises to abide:


1. Tafkal was banned for our sins. Tafkal is a wonder of the universe. Tafkal is the leader of the Town. Say it once, say it a million times. If you can’t say those words, or if they have no visceral impact upon you, then you can never join this clan. Never forget that this clan is about the man who rose above the level of petty trolling and passed into legend. Tafkal is love. Tafkal is life. Tafkal is the most important thing in my life.

2. Have fun, and never forget that you are only playing a game which even its creator, DarkRevenant, has all but forgotten about. Only active players can be members of our clan. If you spend more time on the forums than you do in the game, then the Tafkal Hit Squad is not for you. We seek to revitalize this game and bring it back to the spot on the top 10 list it so rightfully deserves.

3. Help new players and make them feel at home. New players are the key to this game’s future. Without them, the community will stagnate and die. The Tafkal Hit Squad welcomes new players with the same eagerness we do Mafia veterans of 5 years. There are no distinctions once you display our tag. All members of Tafkal’s family are equals.

4. “Play the fucking objective.” Outright gamethrowing and cheating are not tolerated by the Tafkal Hit Squad.

5. Do not antagonize those who hate us for our convictions. Pity them, and kill them with kindness. Some of those who once opposed our clan are now ardent believers of Tafkal’s message. Do not respond to kick-voting with kick-voting. We will catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

6. Don’t sweat the small stuff. Remember that it’s only a game (see entry 2), and your goal is to have fun. Pursuant to that goal, the Tafkal Hit Squad encourages you to ignore minor rule-breaking that does not directly impact your enjoyment of the game. If you find yourself reporting something like light trolling, “offensive” language, point-hacking, leaving, etc., stop and ask yourself if there are better ways you could be enjoying your time.

7. The Tafkal Hit Squad is a movement of nonviolent resistance persecuted by the moderation. We are banned for our ideas. Each unjustified and arbitrary ban against our accounts is a victory proving that our struggle is rightful.

8. The Tafkal Hit Squad isn't a mindless witch-hunt against the moderators. We are not fighting persons but the system. There are even moderators that we like such as PQRnHack, former member of the Tafkal Hit Squad.


Co-written by TheDougler and Balthy.


Link to the Steam group so you can join us: (It's free and fast to create a Steam account if you don't have one.)
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/TafkalHitSquad

Coast was one the moderators the most aggressive against the Tafkal Hit Squad, calling us “clown ruining the mafia community” on the forum, ironically proposing me to become an admin if I left my clan, being in favor of banning us all, and personally banning me in-game without a word.

Watermeloann and Yukitaka, being members of our clan, the fact that you regret Coast bothers me.

Watermeloann, Coast wanted you to be on the banlist not because you did something wrong but because you were a member of the Tafkal Hit Squad. I suggest you to make an appointment with a psychologist so he can diagnose you with a stockholm syndrome...

Finally, Coast, I wish you good luck for you life but I hope not seeing you as a moderator of this game ever again.

Coast was one the moderators the most aggressive against the Tafkal Hit Squad, calling us “clown ruining the mafia community” on the forum, ironically proposing me to become an admin if I left my clan, being in favor of banning us all, and personally banning me in-game without a word.

Watermeloann and Yukitaka, being members of our clan, the fact that you regret Coast bothers me.

Watermeloann, Coast wanted you to be on the banlist not because you did something wrong but because you were a member of the Tafkal Hit Squad. I suggest you to make an appointment with a psychologist so he can diagnose you with a stockholm syndrome...

Finally, Coast, I wish you good luck for you life but I hope not seeing you as a moderator of this game ever again.

I finally received my ban yesterday. Farewell my dear account and my 38 000 points... This is the third time that I am banned without breaking any rule. This time, I won't ask for an admin to unban me. I am tired of being dependant of the “good” will of the moderators. You just need 1 or 2 moderators to dislike you to get banned forever of this game.
I think that some moderators disagree with the ban of the Tafkal Hit Squad. For exemple, SuperJack, before my ban, alerted me that Coast was trying to ban me and asked me to kick Coast from the lobby to avoid it. However, the moderators who are on our side or simply neutral are not the majority between them.


[QUOTE=MasterNinja;478603]yeah i saw you today balthy, first thing you say when game starts
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its not without reason everyone thinks ur idiots. and yeah some of you do look like skypers. but i dont know who they are now.

right now maybe i can put together 50 screenshots for you just in case you actually have alzheimers since you dont remember anything.
these attatchments is out of control, here [url]https://i.imgur.com/foR4Co8.jpg[/url]

every single game with you guys (atleast 50%+) its ALLAHU ACKBAR, and im summary that just leads to war and injuried people if you check it out.
i know it means something else.
you guys troll so hard in the chat and made urself a bad reputation. that you suddenly have 20 000 points in ur bank file some games and suddenly next game you have 100 points and 5 games played. changing bank file and some of you looks like you are giving out bank files to others.

idk why you bother making a thread about this and actually ask why people dont like you guys when its really clear.

if someone wants to go thro all this i got 1008 screenshots on this steam for starcraft 2 and most is just from mafia. if someone wanna go thro it then be my guest cause im not doing it since nothing will happend even if i do it annyway (90% sure)
[ATTACH=CONFIG]18180[/ATTACH][/QUOTE]

“Trolling is considered a strategy."
[url]https://sc2mafia.wikia.com/wiki/Rules[/url]

We indeed troll because this game would not be fun if everyone played seriously.
Moreover, In most saves, if no one leave and everyone play perfectly, the Town is overpowered and erradicates the others factions. A part of the fun of this game exists because we are not robots.

Balthy, Tafkal Hit Squad

I finally received my ban yesterday. Farewell my dear account and my 38 000 points... This is the third time that I am banned without breaking any rule. This time, I won't ask for an admin to unban me. I am tired of being dependant of the “good” will of the moderators. You just need 1 or 2 moderators to dislike you to get banned forever of this game.
I think that some moderators disagree with the ban of the Tafkal Hit Squad. For exemple, SuperJack, before my ban, alerted me that Coast was trying to ban me and asked me to kick Coast from the lobby to avoid it. However, the moderators who are on our side or simply neutral are not the majority between them.

Originally Posted by MasterNinja

yeah i saw you today balthy, first thing you say when game starts


its not without reason everyone thinks ur idiots. and yeah some of you do look like skypers. but i dont know who they are now.

right now maybe i can put together 50 screenshots for you just in case you actually have alzheimers since you dont remember anything.
these attatchments is out of control, here https://i.imgur.com/foR4Co8.jpg

every single game with you guys (atleast 50%+) its ALLAHU ACKBAR, and im summary that just leads to war and injuried people if you check it out.
i know it means something else.
you guys troll so hard in the chat and made urself a bad reputation. that you suddenly have 20 000 points in ur bank file some games and suddenly next game you have 100 points and 5 games played. changing bank file and some of you looks like you are giving out bank files to others.

idk why you bother making a thread about this and actually ask why people dont like you guys when its really clear.

if someone wants to go thro all this i got 1008 screenshots on this steam for starcraft 2 and most is just from mafia. if someone wanna go thro it then be my guest cause im not doing it since nothing will happend even if i do it annyway (90% sure)

“Trolling is considered a strategy."
https://sc2mafia.wikia.com/wiki/Rules

We indeed troll because this game would not be fun if everyone played seriously.
Moreover, In most saves, if no one leave and everyone play perfectly, the Town is overpowered and erradicates the others factions. A part of the fun of this game exists because we are not robots.

Balthy, Tafkal Hit Squad

First, lying as Town is almost always bad because confusing the Town is the goal of the evils, not your. Claiming Sheriff when you are Jailor is the best way to get lynched because you lied. Then you receive love messages like "HE LIED. WHAT A FAGGOT GAMETHROWER. LETS REPORT HIM ON THE FORUM LOL."

Secondly, if you want to force the role claim of someone, just say "Put # on trial".

You should learn to play better as Town instead of writing nonsensical reports on my clan.

First, lying as Town is almost always bad because confusing the Town is the goal of the evils, not your. Claiming Sheriff when you are Jailor is the best way to get lynched because you lied. Then you receive love messages like "HE LIED. WHAT A FAGGOT GAMETHROWER. LETS REPORT HIM ON THE FORUM LOL."

Secondly, if you want to force the role claim of someone, just say "Put # on trial".

You should learn to play better as Town instead of writing nonsensical reports on my clan.

There is too many different threads about our clan on this forum so I decided to reply by making a new one.

[url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/30465-Need-some-assistance-on-players-who-are-troll-kicking-during-setup[/url]

[url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/30601-TheDougler-Replay-Proof-%286-replays%29[/url]

[url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/30464-Balthy-1-S2-1-5284583-TheDougler-1-S2-1-2956484-fafa-1-S2-1-6752693-ToGoodForYou-1-S2-1-4088605[/url]

[url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/30494-Balthy-1-S2-1-5284583-TheDougler-1-S2-1-2956484-Fafa-1-S2-1-6752693[/url]

[url]https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showthread.php/30579-Helz-1-S2-1-689340[/url]

What we are accused of:
1. Having "Tafkal Hit Squad" in our name and acting "in unison" such as prefering to heal a fellow Tafkal Hit Squad member when we are Doctor.
2. Having a provoking attitude.
3. Cheating, Gamethrowing skyping, hacking and some others baseless accusations.
4. Liking Tafkal too much.

First, I consider that repetitive gamethrowers like Spigot/fafa/whatever... ([url]https://i.imgur.com/877nmzi.jpg[/url]) and hardcore mod-suckers ("Hey Balthy, we should disband the clan and make a new one. The admins may unban us if we beg for forgiveness...") are not worthy of being members of the Tafkal Hit Squad.


[QUOTE=Firebringer;477935]I think if they agree to completely disband [Tafkal] all their sentences can be downgraded to a Watch List x4 or something.

The biggest cause of concern is that they play in unison and they all act almost like they are skyping in each of these games, which we can't prove.

If they want no punishments they should:
1) Never use a conformable name when playing together (This goes for TheDougler and Balthy)
2) Disband Tafkal on SC2

If they agree to those I am fine with no bans being put in place. Any future valid reports will be met with a ban though. Those would my terms, I think they are reasonable enough.

You can have a clan, don't name it after a known troll.[/QUOTE]

I would never disband my clan even if I was the last Tafkal Hit Squad member on earth. Asking me that is as frivolous as if I asked Dark Revenant to name Tafkal, TheDougler, RainHeaven, and me as admin of this game.
[url]https://i.imgur.com/rYufsls.jpg[/url]
Rather than disbanding the Tafkal Hit Squad, I prefer to be permanently banned. I am sad that I would never get the demon model and that I could not "-prefer Coroner, Citizen, Mayor, Marshall" but if that's the price for being free of the moderators' tyranny, then I accept it. I advises our members to not having "Tafkal Hit Squad" in their name but I won't kick a member for this reason. My smurf's name is "Balthy" and my main name in-game will remain "Akemi Homura, Tafkal Hit Squad". You are free to ban me, use the kick function, kill me night 1 or lynch me day 2 if you dislike it so much.

Since someone on a Free To Play account can't have a clan, I turned the Tafkal Hit Squad into a Steam group so we can continue to exist.
[url]https://steamcommunity.com/groups/TafkalHitSquad[/url]

Balthy, Tafkal Hit Squad

There is too many different threads about our clan on this forum so I decided to reply by making a new one.

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...g-during-setup

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...286-replays%29

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...1-S2-1-4088605

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...1-S2-1-6752693

https://www.sc2mafia.com/forum/showth...-1-S2-1-689340

What we are accused of:
1. Having "Tafkal Hit Squad" in our name and acting "in unison" such as prefering to heal a fellow Tafkal Hit Squad member when we are Doctor.
2. Having a provoking attitude.
3. Cheating, Gamethrowing skyping, hacking and some others baseless accusations.
4. Liking Tafkal too much.

First, I consider that repetitive gamethrowers like Spigot/fafa/whatever... (https://i.imgur.com/877nmzi.jpg) and hardcore mod-suckers ("Hey Balthy, we should disband the clan and make a new one. The admins may unban us if we beg for forgiveness...") are not worthy of being members of the Tafkal Hit Squad.

Originally Posted by Firebringer

I think if they agree to completely disband [Tafkal] all their sentences can be downgraded to a Watch List x4 or something.

The biggest cause of concern is that they play in unison and they all act almost like they are skyping in each of these games, which we can't prove.

If they want no punishments they should:
1) Never use a conformable name when playing together (This goes for TheDougler and Balthy)
2) Disband Tafkal on SC2

If they agree to those I am fine with no bans being put in place. Any future valid reports will be met with a ban though. Those would my terms, I think they are reasonable enough.

You can have a clan, don't name it after a known troll.

I would never disband my clan even if I was the last Tafkal Hit Squad member on earth. Asking me that is as frivolous as if I asked Dark Revenant to name Tafkal, TheDougler, RainHeaven, and me as admin of this game.
https://i.imgur.com/rYufsls.jpg
Rather than disbanding the Tafkal Hit Squad, I prefer to be permanently banned. I am sad that I would never get the demon model and that I could not "-prefer Coroner, Citizen, Mayor, Marshall" but if that's the price for being free of the moderators' tyranny, then I accept it. I advises our members to not having "Tafkal Hit Squad" in their name but I won't kick a member for this reason. My smurf's name is "Balthy" and my main name in-game will remain "Akemi Homura, Tafkal Hit Squad". You are free to ban me, use the kick function, kill me night 1 or lynch me day 2 if you dislike it so much.

Since someone on a Free To Play account can't have a clan, I turned the Tafkal Hit Squad into a Steam group so we can continue to exist.
https://steamcommunity.com/groups/TafkalHitSquad

Balthy, Tafkal Hit Squad

[QUOTE=Coast;475853]I'm not sure if you're trolling TheDougler, and Balthy, but you have to be pretty oblivious to not understand why a decent bit of players dislike your clan. I'll explain it for you since I've received numerous complaints about incidents in-game that were caused by the Tafkal clan.

1.You're honestly just clowns. You spend your free-time worshipping a gamethrower, and someone who has ruined a lot of Mafia games in the past. Tafkal isn't as bad as he use to be (Mainly due to his recent inactivity), but there is a reason he's been banned on multiple accounts. You're all easily identifiable in-game as you always use the same names. I don't even want to hear how that doesn't influence your decisions when playing the game. If one of you happens to receive a killing role I highly doubt you're going to target another Tafkal member. (This of course can't be proven, but I'm sure some Tafkal members have spared the life of another member). I've also seen a few of your members spam the lobbys relentlessly until someone kicks you.[/QUOTE]

Tafkal might've done some things wrong, but he's still a beautiful person inside and out. I saw Tafkal gamethrow only 2 times in 1 year. He is an excellent Mafia player when he wants.
I saw him helping noobs like me to play better at this game many times. Here is a screenshot of him helping someone new to the game: [url]https://i.imgur.com/E1qe8SG.jpg[/url]


[QUOTE=Coast;475853]
3. Your presence honestly just pisses a lot of people off. Mafia is meant to be a game of deception. By setting your names as SoandSo, Tafkal Hit Squad it gives the illusion you're all working together (Even if you're not), and it changes the game. I've had many games where players just immediately target the Hit Squad members, and they end up being town roles.
[/QUOTE]
Choosing your name is a part of the game. Naming oneself “-prefer Veteran” is a good strategy to avoid being targeted by a killer role.
I can bring you a replay where Cryptonic uses(and may be abuse) his moderator privileges to grow bigger his character, reveals himself as Cryptonic, and so draws more attention. (Cryptonic was Jester in that game.)
Yes, if I am a killer role, I am more likely to target someone named “Ban Balthy forever” rather than someone named “Tafkal is love.”. That's also a part of the game.

Originally Posted by Coast

I'm not sure if you're trolling TheDougler, and Balthy, but you have to be pretty oblivious to not understand why a decent bit of players dislike your clan. I'll explain it for you since I've received numerous complaints about incidents in-game that were caused by the Tafkal clan.

1.You're honestly just clowns. You spend your free-time worshipping a gamethrower, and someone who has ruined a lot of Mafia games in the past. Tafkal isn't as bad as he use to be (Mainly due to his recent inactivity), but there is a reason he's been banned on multiple accounts. You're all easily identifiable in-game as you always use the same names. I don't even want to hear how that doesn't influence your decisions when playing the game. If one of you happens to receive a killing role I highly doubt you're going to target another Tafkal member. (This of course can't be proven, but I'm sure some Tafkal members have spared the life of another member). I've also seen a few of your members spam the lobbys relentlessly until someone kicks you.

Tafkal might've done some things wrong, but he's still a beautiful person inside and out. I saw Tafkal gamethrow only 2 times in 1 year. He is an excellent Mafia player when he wants.
I saw him helping noobs like me to play better at this game many times. Here is a screenshot of him helping someone new to the game: https://i.imgur.com/E1qe8SG.jpg

Originally Posted by Coast

3. Your presence honestly just pisses a lot of people off. Mafia is meant to be a game of deception. By setting your names as SoandSo, Tafkal Hit Squad it gives the illusion you're all working together (Even if you're not), and it changes the game. I've had many games where players just immediately target the Hit Squad members, and they end up being town roles.

Choosing your name is a part of the game. Naming oneself “-prefer Veteran” is a good strategy to avoid being targeted by a killer role.
I can bring you a replay where Cryptonic uses(and may be abuse) his moderator privileges to grow bigger his character, reveals himself as Cryptonic, and so draws more attention. (Cryptonic was Jester in that game.)
Yes, if I am a killer role, I am more likely to target someone named “Ban Balthy forever” rather than someone named “Tafkal is love.”. That's also a part of the game.

[QUOTE=Helz;475845]Thats great but heres a list of the Tafkal players I have a report on in the last 48 hours-
Balthy
TheDougler
NinjaClone
ToGoodForYou
Fafa
Phomerii
PeterSLee
Thugnificent
AVB
Watermeloann
Dante

Everything from Skyping to Gamethrowing on down to kick abuse and griefing. And thats just 48 hours. I already spoke with Watermeloann today and he told me about those two being kicked. But my point is that I anticipate for every report I get theres 10 more incidents that go unreported. And if I am getting a truck load of reports on your clan theres probably an issue there.

Do what you want to have fun but please be considerate of other players and keep it fair. If a pattern of players taking pleasure out of ruining other players experience shows up we take issue with it.[/QUOTE]

I think that reports should be public. I am convinced that these reports are unjustified but I can't really argue about it since only the moderators can see them. Maybe I should be promoted moderator. I will do my part of the job by systematically purging our members who break the rules.

Balthy, Tafkal Hit Squad

Originally Posted by Helz

Thats great but heres a list of the Tafkal players I have a report on in the last 48 hours-
Balthy
TheDougler
NinjaClone
ToGoodForYou
Fafa
Phomerii
PeterSLee
Thugnificent
AVB
Watermeloann
Dante

Everything from Skyping to Gamethrowing on down to kick abuse and griefing. And thats just 48 hours. I already spoke with Watermeloann today and he told me about those two being kicked. But my point is that I anticipate for every report I get theres 10 more incidents that go unreported. And if I am getting a truck load of reports on your clan theres probably an issue there.

Do what you want to have fun but please be considerate of other players and keep it fair. If a pattern of players taking pleasure out of ruining other players experience shows up we take issue with it.

I think that reports should be public. I am convinced that these reports are unjustified but I can't really argue about it since only the moderators can see them. Maybe I should be promoted moderator. I will do my part of the job by systematically purging our members who break the rules.

Balthy, Tafkal Hit Squad

[QUOTE=Helz;475834]The simple solution here would be to calm down and play right. If you required your members to be upstanding players you would not have to worry about being kicked all over the place.[/QUOTE]

This is already the case. Following the path of the Lord of AFK requires to be exemplary.


[QUOTE=Helz;475834]Please clean up a bit. I really do not like the direction this is headed and I have been getting way too many reports on your members.[/QUOTE]

As TheDougler said, Thugnificient is no longer a member of the Tafkal Hit Squad. In the case of AvB, I don't know who he is.

Balthy, Tafkal Hit Squad

Originally Posted by Helz

The simple solution here would be to calm down and play right. If you required your members to be upstanding players you would not have to worry about being kicked all over the place.

This is already the case. Following the path of the Lord of AFK requires to be exemplary.

Originally Posted by Helz

Please clean up a bit. I really do not like the direction this is headed and I have been getting way too many reports on your members.

As TheDougler said, Thugnificient is no longer a member of the Tafkal Hit Squad. In the case of AvB, I don't know who he is.

Balthy, Tafkal Hit Squad